[02:53] <squish102> running a litecoin mining rig on ubuntu now if boring compared to 2 years ago
[02:54] <squish102> setup, tweak for about 2 hours, and run for 3 weeks without an issue
[06:19] <Langjan> Good morning guys
[06:19] <superfly> Good night Langjan, past bedtime for me.
[06:20] <Langjan> Sleep well superfly 
[07:20] <Kilos> morning everyone
[07:20] <Kilos> what broke Langjan 
[07:20] <Kilos> sorry was outside
[09:36] <inetpro> goeiemmore
[09:36] <inetpro> Kilos: see, I made it even
[09:37] <inetpro> bushtech_: and you still have not figured out the cause?
[09:55] <bushtech_> Hi all, inetpro. No, still won't start up unless I ngo through recovery mode. have tried this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/808863/ubuntu-upgrade-16-04-1-failed-to-start-load-kernel-modules But thesudo apt-get update
[09:55] <bushtech_> sudo apt-get -f install
[09:55] <bushtech_> sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[09:55] <bushtech_> doesn't work
[10:00] <inetpro> bushtech_: then how do you go in eventually, or is this another machine?
[10:00] <inetpro> oh... you said it
[10:00] <inetpro> recovery mode
[10:01] <Kilos> lol
[10:01] <inetpro> ai!
[10:01] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:01] <bushtech_> yes, hitting ctrl C after viewing details in dpkg makes it boot
[10:02] <Kilos> bushtech_ what i see rings a bell
[10:02] <inetpro> strange one that
[10:02] <Kilos> what is the error message you get
[10:02] <Kilos> sorry i dont see it
[10:02] <Kilos> ok i go read that link
[10:03] <bushtech_> failed to start load kernel modules
[10:04] <Kilos> what do you see with sudo apt update
[10:06] <bushtech_> it is up to date. no failures listed
[10:06] <Kilos> i think i had that once, whenever it was, on grub menu can you choose to boot from an older version?
[10:07] <Kilos> and in synaptic can you choose edit and fix broken
[10:07] <bushtech_> btdt. grub show 3 versions 81,82,83. none of them will boot 
[10:07] <inetpro> systemctl status systemd-modules-load.service
[10:07] <Kilos> oh my
[10:08] <bushtech_> inetpro. you want me to run that?
[10:08] <inetpro> yep
[10:10] <bushtech_> let me just ssh so I can paste
[10:10] <Langjan> Hi Kilos inetpro bushtech_ 
[10:10] <inetpro> hi Langjan
[10:11] <Langjan> hoe gaan dit?
[10:11] <inetpro> bushtech_: apt-get update && dpkg --configure -a && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get -f install
[10:12] <inetpro> or run each step between the '&&' on it's own
[10:12] <Kilos> hi Langjan 
[10:12] <inetpro> '&&' means run the next command if the previous is succesful 
[10:12] <Kilos> ok dankie en daar
[10:12] <Langjan> Alles wel dankie Kilos en by jou?
[10:13] <bushtech_>  systemd-modules-load.service - Load Kernel Modules
[10:13] <bushtech_>    Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/systemd-modules-load.service; static; ven
[10:13] <bushtech_>    Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Fri 2017-07-14 19:57:00 SAST; 16h ag
[10:13] <bushtech_>      Docs: man:systemd-modules-load.service(8)
[10:13] <bushtech_>            man:modules-load.d(5)
[10:13] <bushtech_>  Main PID: 471 (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)
[10:13] <Kilos> ook ok dankie
[10:13] <Langjan> Mooi
[10:13] <bushtech_> Jul 14 19:57:00 ubuntuserver systemd[1]: Starting Load Kernel Modules...
[10:13] <bushtech_> Jul 14 19:57:00 ubuntuserver systemd[1]: systemd-modules-load.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
[10:13] <bushtech_> Jul 14 19:57:00 ubuntuserver systemd[1]: Failed to start Load Kernel Modules.
[10:13] <bushtech_> Jul 14 19:57:00 ubuntuserver systemd[1]: systemd-modules-load.service: Unit entered failed state.
[10:13] <bushtech_> Jul 14 19:57:00 ubuntuserver systemd[1]: systemd-modules-load.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
[10:13] <Langjan> koue op pad...
[10:13] <Kilos> eish
[10:14] <Langjan> lyk na Maandag en Dinsdag
[10:14] <inetpro> bushtech_: yeah, that should be Active: active
[10:14] <bushtech_> inetpro: ran them many times doesn't help
[10:15]  * Kilos whispers boot-repair
[10:15] <Langjan> Any hope for a USB stick that is not seen? Win 7 reinstalls its software then also cannot see it 
[10:16] <Kilos> try disk utility
[10:16] <inetpro> read the comment at https://askubuntu.com/questions/891628/ubuntu-16-04-failed-to-start-load-kernel-modules#comment1394733_891628
[10:16] <Langjan> also does not see it
[10:16] <Kilos> um
[10:16] <inetpro> "Turn off secure boot in your BIOS."
[10:16] <Kilos> testdisk
[10:16] <inetpro> bushtech_: have you tried that ^^ ?
[10:17] <Langjan> testdisk in linux or windoze?
[10:17] <Kilos> Langjan if testdisk does not see it through it away
[10:17] <Kilos> oh you in dows
[10:17] <Langjan> no but tried there
[10:17] <Kilos> use tetdisk in buntu
[10:18] <Kilos> testdisk
[10:18] <Langjan> ok so 
[10:18] <Kilos> maybe sudo testdisk
[10:18] <Kilos> might need to install it first
[10:18] <Langjan> oh not an app?
[10:18] <Kilos> i have had no probs for so long i forget all these things
[10:19] <Kilos> ye its in synaptic
[10:19] <Langjan> yes I see it
[10:19] <Langjan>  thks
[10:19] <Kilos> sudo apt install tetdisk
[10:19] <Kilos> testdisk
[10:19] <Kilos> sticky s
[10:19] <Kilos> hi poppin
[10:20] <Kilos> wbb asap
[10:21] <Kilos> here
[10:21] <bushtech_> inetpro: the apt-get update and the dpkg --configure -a.?
[10:21] <inetpro> bushtech_: what's with that?
[10:22] <bushtech_> maybe I should just try that set umpteen times and a see
[10:22] <inetpro> do you see failures there?
[10:23] <Langjan> Kilos, testdisk is installed but does not show
[10:23] <Kilos> than that stick is most likely history sir
[10:23] <Kilos> with all the important stuff on it
[10:23] <Langjan> No, testdisk does not show
[10:24] <Kilos> has it been near a magnet
[10:24] <Kilos> oh
[10:24] <Kilos> it runs from cli man
[10:24] <Kilos> sudo testdisk
[10:24] <Kilos> choose no records
[10:24] <Kilos> or no lgs if it sees it
[10:25] <Kilos> logs
[10:26] <inetpro> bushtech_: I need to go out quickly, will be back later
[10:26] <inetpro> there has to be a solution for this... I hope you find it soon
[10:26] <Kilos> boot-repair
[10:26] <bushtech_> np inetpro thanks
[10:26] <Kilos> bushtech_ try boot-repair
[10:27] <Kilos> sudo apt install boot-repair
[10:27] <Langjan> No, testdisk does nor pick it up either
[10:27] <Kilos> then its scrap Langjan 
[10:28] <Langjan> ok thaks good to know
[10:28] <Kilos> try see with gparted
[10:28] <Kilos> might just see it
[10:28] <Langjan> no it does not
[10:28] <Kilos> then its scrap
[10:28] <Langjan> nor does disks
[10:29] <Langjan> another q plse
[10:29] <Kilos> yes?
[10:29] <Kilos> whats a q
[10:29] <Langjan> Skype has upgraded had to do new install of the app
[10:29] <Langjan> now it shows in the ;launcher and the panel
[10:30] <Langjan> I want to delete the icon in the launcher but it sticks like vrazy
[10:30] <Kilos> whew ask if any mate users are here
[10:30] <Kilos> right click it?
[10:30] <Langjan> no Ubuntu 16.04 unity
[10:31] <Kilos> drag it to the bin or onto desktop
[10:31] <Langjan> I get "lock to launcher" and "quit" but neither does anything
[10:31] <Langjan> jumps back 
[10:31] <Kilos> why you want to remove it?
[10:32] <Langjan> clutters my launcher
[10:32] <Kilos> lol i have no idea sir
[10:32] <Langjan> tried Ezane, no success
[10:33] <Langjan> Also tried menu editor
[10:33] <Langjan> eish!
[10:33] <Kilos> why you think they dumped unity
[10:34] <Kilos> its only one piece of clutter man
[10:34] <Kilos> live with it or break something else trying to fix it
[10:34] <Langjan> ok
[10:35] <Kilos> what happened to mate
[10:35] <Langjan> Mate is live and well on my laptop
[10:35] <Kilos> ah
[10:36] <Kilos> put ate on desktop as well
[10:36] <Kilos> mate
[10:36] <Langjan> desktop runs good on unity with 8 GB RAM and ssd
[10:36] <Kilos> look in synaptic what it is called, maybe mate-desktop
[10:37] <Langjan> No,no - very happy with unity
[10:37] <Kilos> then you can choose at login which one to use
[10:37] <Kilos> lol
[10:37] <Kilos> ok
[10:38] <Langjan> I'll play around a bit, maybe go timeshift and start over with Skype
[10:38] <Kilos> first remove skype completely
[10:38] <Kilos> even in the . files
[10:38] <Langjan> Good idea, then reinstall carefully
[10:38] <Kilos> then try remove the thing
[10:38] <bushtech_> Kilos: installed boot-repair but when I try to run it the first error is : Failed to connect to Mir
[10:38] <Kilos> then only install skype again
[10:39] <Kilos> inetpro whats that mean
[10:40] <Kilos> bushtech_ just try running boot-repair from an install dvd or stick
[10:40] <Kilos> i dont know anything about mir
[10:41] <Kilos> let me try find you a link
[10:41] <bushtech_> seems I need to install first
[10:41] <bushtech_> Mir that is
[10:42] <Kilos> https://sourceforge.net/projects/boot-repair-cd/files/boot-repair-disk-64bit.iso/download
[10:42] <Kilos> then you run it from a cd or stick
[10:42] <bushtech_> from search:  3
[10:42] <bushtech_> down vote
[10:42] <bushtech_> accepted
[10:42] <bushtech_> 	
[10:42] <bushtech_> Mir is the next-gen graphical display server created by Canonical that in the future will sostitute the X server. 
[10:43] <Kilos> oh my
[10:43] <Kilos> i have fallen far behind
[10:43] <bushtech_> please ignore rubbish in between
[10:43] <Kilos> you can still install stuff hey?
[10:44] <bushtech_> yep server connected to internet
[10:45] <Kilos> last resort normally other than boot-repair is open synaptic and typ in kernel in serch and then right click and reinstall everything that shows as installed
[10:45] <Kilos> do the same with linux
[10:46] <Kilos> take time but normally will reinstall whats broken
[10:46] <bushtech_> thanks wiil try that
[10:47] <bushtech_> stupid question:  what is default on 16.04 or am I running unity?
[10:49] <Kilos> i have no idea, when i switched to kde i didnt bother with unity anymore
[10:49] <Kilos> 16.04 might be gnome
[10:49] <Kilos> ask Langjan 
[10:49] <Langjan> Hi, ?
[10:51] <Langjan> You need Unity default boot settings bushtech_ ?
[10:53] <bushtech_> I dont want to willy nilly install a new whachamacallit
[10:53] <Kilos> thats why reinstall in synaptic what is already installed
[10:54] <bushtech_> if I'm running gnome dont want to change now
[10:54] <Kilos> maybe clean out your archives first
[10:54] <Kilos> copy them to a folder somewhere
[10:54] <bushtech_> need a better search than kernel, too much stuff listed
[10:55] <Kilos> it could be any one thats faulty
[10:55] <Kilos> did you look in synaptic edit fix broken
[10:57] <bushtech_> says fixed dependency problems at the bottom
[10:58] <Kilos> ok then reinstall grub-pc and grub-pc-bin i think they were
[10:58] <Kilos> type grub in synaptic and reinstall all grub stuff that is already installed 
[10:58] <Kilos> and look for error messages
[10:59] <Kilos> i dont think grub will reinstall into a faulty kernel
[10:59] <Kilos> gimme 10 i need t take a pill sigh
[11:05] <Kilos> wb Langjan 
[11:05] <Kilos> any news bushtech_ 
[11:05] <Langjan> Kilos, looks like the new Skype is set up to clutter the launcher and the panel
[11:05] <Kilos> you can always do like me and save home and reinstall
[11:06] <Kilos> oh my Langjan 
[11:07] <Kilos> i havent used skype for about a month, even removed it from my cell. it eats data even when you dont use it
[11:07] <Langjan> I restarted so it could autostart and installed itself same way, does not heed "quit"  
[11:07] <Langjan> Oh, ok
[11:07] <Langjan> Data fortunately not a prob here
[11:07] <Kilos> lol
[11:11] <Langjan> Looks like I have a permanent unnecessary feature in my launcher...and it's Windoze-based. lmga!
[11:13] <Langjan> England 7/2 after 6 overs... 
[11:14] <Kilos> lol
[11:21] <bushtech_> picked all grub stuff in synaptic for reinstall. seems stuck on "Setting up grub-pc-dbg(2.02~beta2-36ubuntu 3.11)...
[11:52] <bushtech_> yep, definitely stuck there
[12:05] <bushtech_> no looks like it was successfully reinstalled but doesnt show as completed when reinstalling
[12:07] <Kilos> hmm...
[12:07] <Kilos> where are the clever guys
[12:08] <Kilos> all i can think of is if it doesnt boot now then go with kernel and boot stuff reinstall
[12:09] <Kilos> maybe even try boot-repair again
[12:09] <Kilos> i cant do techie stuff but normally if you hit something with a large enough hammer it moves
[12:11] <bushtech_> havent managed to run boot-repair yet, still wondering about the effects of Mir
[12:17] <Kilos> will mir take over from xserver
[12:18] <Kilos> lol may google pitfalls of using mir on whatever version you are using
[12:19] <Kilos> maybe its even better
[12:20] <bushtech_> lets hear what inetpro reckons when he gets back
[12:20] <paddatrapper> Kilos: with Ubuntu dropping Unity, I doubt it. Wayland is the future replacement for X
[12:20] <paddatrapper> Hi everyone
[12:21] <bushtech_> know ver little about this stuff, wayland got something to do with Mir?
[12:23] <Kilos> hi paddatrapper please help bushtech_ 
[12:24] <paddatrapper> bushtech_: mir and wayland are both display "servers", they replace X in managing input and actually rendering stuff on the screen
[12:24] <Kilos> i wonder if reinstall ubuntu-desktop could help bushtech_ 
[12:24] <paddatrapper> Kilos: I don't have any more insights... Dunno what's happening there 
[12:25] <Kilos> kernel error
[12:25] <Kilos> how does one reinstall the kernel stuff thats needed for booting
[12:25] <bushtech_> gotcha paddatrapper, what is the default in 16.04 ie what am I running?
[12:25] <paddatrapper> bushtech_: X
[12:26] <paddatrapper> Kilos: apt install <kernel package>? 
[12:26] <Kilos> your error is long before x even starts working isnt it
[12:26] <bushtech_> duh OK thanks
[12:27] <Kilos> now just to find which kernel package
[12:27] <Kilos> thats why i use synaptic reinstall everything kernel related
[12:28] <Kilos> then you must have the right one as well
[12:32] <Kilos> i dont know if systemback still exists but you could make a stick to install with and everything will be as it was before
[12:32] <bushtech_> if I search for kernel in synaptic should it list my  3 ie 81 to 83?
[12:32] <Kilos> mine made a 6g install stick
[12:33] <Kilos> paddatrapper what does that mean?
[12:34] <paddatrapper> bushtech_: what are the package versions? 
[12:34] <Kilos> synaptic should show everything installed on your system
[12:34] <bushtech_> under kernel search the only thing it lists as installed is kerneloops-daemon
[12:34] <Kilos> and under linux ?
[12:34] <paddatrapper> bushtech_: can you use apt? 
[12:34] <bushtech_> yep
[12:34] <Kilos> there are headers and stuff, they all related i think
[12:35] <paddatrapper> apt-cache search linux
[12:36] <bushtech_> freenode will freak if I paste that lot
[12:37] <bushtech_> something I should look for?
[12:37] <Kilos> pastebin it
[12:37] <Kilos> https://bin.snyman.info
[12:39] <bushtech_> shall I just stick it in there
[12:39] <Kilos> yes thats where we put stuff for the brains to diagnose
[12:39] <bushtech_> k
[12:42]  * paddatrapper will be back later
[13:04] <bushtech_> finally got it copied, 3700 lines, sorry inetpro
[13:08] <Kilos> lol wow
[13:09] <pavlushka> ahoy ZA!
[13:13] <inetpro> uname -r
[13:15] <inetpro> and to get all your installed kernels:
[13:15] <inetpro> dpkg -l | grep linux-headers | grep ii | awk '{print $3}'
[13:17] <bushtech_> uname -r
[13:17] <bushtech_> 4.4.0-83-generic
[13:18] <bushtech_> ubuntuserver# dpkg -l | grep linux-headers | grep ii | awk '{print $3}'
[13:18] <bushtech_> 4.4.0-81.104
[13:18] <bushtech_> 4.4.0-81.104
[13:18] <bushtech_> 4.4.0-83.106
[13:18] <bushtech_> 4.4.0-83.106
[13:18] <bushtech_> 4.4.0.83.89
[13:29] <inetpro> Kilos: you and your re-installs :-)
[13:29] <inetpro> bushtech_: your problem is unlikely to be in the boot sector
[13:29] <Kilos> hahaha only way i used to be able to keep going inetpro 
[13:29] <inetpro> more like a systemd issue
[13:30] <Kilos> kernel probs are only for clever guys to sort
[13:32] <inetpro> bushtech_: have you looked around for a SECURE BOOT option in your BIOS?
[13:34] <inetpro> sudo dmidecode | head
[13:34] <inetpro> that ^^ should show you your BIOS vendor and version
[13:36] <inetpro> or more detailed:
[13:36] <inetpro> sudo dmidecode -t bios
[13:38] <inetpro> Secure Boot is a feature designed to prevent malicious software and unauthorized media from loading during the boot process. This option is enabled by default, but can be turned off in UEFI / BIOS.
[13:39] <inetpro> unfortunately it can also prevent Linux and other non-Windows operating systems from booting
[13:39] <bushtech_> inetpro: no, have not looked in bios. But this server has been running for a while like this. but mb replaced a while ago so could be an issue
[13:41] <inetpro> if we know what bios and version you have we can perhaps help you to find where that option is
[13:41] <bushtech_> first bit:SMBIOS 3.0 present.
[13:41] <bushtech_> Handle 0x0000, DMI type 0, 24 bytes
[13:41] <bushtech_> BIOS Information
[13:41] <bushtech_>         Vendor: American Megatrends Inc.
[13:41] <bushtech_>         Version: 2003
[13:41] <bushtech_>         Release Date: 09/19/2016
[13:41] <bushtech_>         Address: 0xF0000
[13:41] <bushtech_>         Runtime Size: 64 kB
[13:41] <bushtech_>         ROM Size: 16384 kB
[13:42] <bushtech_>  BIOS Revision: 5.11
[13:46] <inetpro> check https://www.google.com/search?q=American+Megatrends+Inc+2003+secure+boot&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi-5tf-tYvVAhUpDsAKHSEkBJUQ_AUICygC&biw=1116&bih=516
[13:46] <inetpro> see if you can spot an image there that looks like yours
[13:46] <bushtech_> k
[13:49] <inetpro> I'd say try enable Legacy Support and disable Secure Boot
[13:50] <inetpro> you can always reverse it if that doesn't help
[13:50] <inetpro> just make a note of what it was
[13:52] <inetpro> more info on Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) and Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[13:53] <bushtech_> mine is quite a fancy screen with spinning fans
[13:53] <bushtech_> but I can see that secure boot is enabled
[13:55] <bushtech_> is legacy support somewhere in the bios?
[13:55] <bushtech_> cant see that I can change the secure boot
[13:56] <inetpro> in that link above you should often have seen it on the same page in the bios
[13:58] <inetpro> bushtech_: you have 64bit Ubuntu installed?
[13:58] <bushtech_> https://www.google.com/search?q=American+Megatrends+Inc+2003+secure+boot&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi-5tf-tYvVAhUpDsAKHSEkBJUQ_AUICygC&biw=1116&bih=516#imgrc=GJ7kH7ObuC32NM:
[13:59] <bushtech_> that one looks like it could be mine
[14:01] <inetpro> your link shows all images
[14:02] <inetpro> click on the image and choose "View image" then send us the link
[14:03] <bushtech_> ah sorry
[14:03] <bushtech_> http://sanuja.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/asus_bios_ez_mode.jpg
[14:03] <inetpro> interesting
[14:05] <bushtech_> no it's 32 bit
[14:05] <inetpro> eish!
[14:06] <bushtech_> when a doctor says interesting to me I have to change my undies
[14:07] <inetpro> haha, I'm not a doctor :-)
[14:08] <inetpro> but you certainly seem to have a more modern bios screen there
[14:08] <inetpro> not one that I have come across yet
[14:09] <inetpro> sudo dmidecode -t system
[14:10] <bushtech_> damn, don't have the box anymore so cant tell you what it is
[14:10] <inetpro> what do you have for System Information?
[14:10] <Kilos> rofl
[14:10] <inetpro> Manufacturer and Product Name
[14:12] <bushtech_> where would I find system info?
[14:16] <inetpro> bushtech_: sudo dmidecode -t system
[14:17] <inetpro> bushtech_: do you have Windows installed as well, or not?
[14:17] <bushtech_> no windows
[14:18] <inetpro> https://www.technorms.com/45538/disable-enable-secure-boot-asus-motherboard-uefi-bios-utility
[14:19] <inetpro> looks like quite a process to disable a simple thing 
[14:19] <inetpro> not sure I understand all that
[14:20] <inetpro> "straightforward once you know the steps"
[14:21] <bushtech_> heh yes btdt
[14:21] <bushtech_> normally takes days to sort out the mess afterwards
[14:22] <inetpro> ai!
[14:24] <inetpro> bushtech_: have you looked at: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=210194
[14:25] <bushtech_> nope
[14:25] <bushtech_> that dmidecode doesnt seem to work
[14:26] <bushtech_> Handle 0x0001, DMI type 1, 27 bytes
[14:26] <bushtech_> System Information
[14:26] <bushtech_>         Manufacturer: System manufacturer
[14:26] <bushtech_>         Product Name: System Product Name
[14:26] <bushtech_>         Version: System Version
[14:26] <bushtech_>         Serial Number: System Serial Number
[14:26] <bushtech_>         UUID: 5520C016-2B7E-1610-1F3D-704D7BB16C51
[14:26] <bushtech_>         Wake-up Type: Power Switch
[14:26] <bushtech_>         SKU Number: SKU
[14:26] <bushtech_>         Family: To be filled by O.E.M.
[14:26] <bushtech_> get this sort of thing
[14:26] <inetpro> yikes!
[14:27] <bushtech_> running out of undies
[14:28] <inetpro> well it has to be ASUS based on the BIOS screen
[14:28] <inetpro> sorry, that link above won't help much, I think
[14:29] <bushtech_> prett sure its an asus board
[14:30] <inetpro> lsb_release -d
[14:31] <inetpro> bushtech_: ^^
[14:32] <bushtech_> from archliux: systemctl restart systemd-modules-load.service
[14:32] <bushtech_> Job for systemd-modules-load.service failed because the control process exited with error code. See "systemctl status systemd-modules-load.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
[14:32] <inetpro> and
[14:32] <inetpro> bushtech_: uname -a
[14:33] <bushtech_> lsb_release -d
[14:33] <bushtech_> Description:    Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS
[14:33] <bushtech_> uname -a
[14:33] <bushtech_> Linux ubuntuserver 4.4.0-83-generic #106-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jun 26 17:54:25 UTC 2017 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[14:34] <inetpro> ok, so maybe, let's look into that... can you identify the module that failed?
[14:36] <inetpro> hmm.... but I see you already posted that above
[14:37] <bushtech_> systemd uninformative: Failed to start Load Kernel Modules.
[14:38] <inetpro> have you tried booting with a live 64bit disk?
[14:40] <inetpro> what kinda specs are we looking at in terms of CPU and RAM, maybe time to abandon 32bit
[14:41] <bushtech_> from journalctl: Failed to find module 'usbserial vendor=0x067b product=0x2303'
[14:42] <bushtech_> hmmmm
[14:43] <bushtech_> could that be it?
[14:44] <inetpro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1519102
[14:44] <bushtech_> where would that little line be hiding?
[14:44] <inetpro> oops... ignore that 
[14:45] <inetpro> from journalctl: Failed to find module 'usbserial vendor=0x067b product=0x2303'
[14:45] <inetpro> that looks interesting
[14:46] <bushtech_> cat /etc/modules contins that line
[14:46] <bushtech_> hash it and reboot?
[14:48] <inetpro> lsusb
[14:48] <bushtech_> lsusb
[14:48] <bushtech_> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
[14:48] <bushtech_> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 067b:2303 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port
[14:48] <bushtech_> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0835:1601 Action Star Enterprise Co., Ltd
[14:48] <bushtech_> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[14:49] <inetpro> Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port
[14:49] <bushtech_> bollocks. Hope its not the connection to my weather station
[14:50] <inetpro> can you try disconnect that maybe?
[14:51] <inetpro> and then boot
[14:51] <bushtech_> I've got a ST labs usb to serial connection plugged in from my weather station
[14:51] <bushtech_> can do
[14:53] <Kilos> wow what a job this turned out to be
[14:53] <Kilos> i have slept and you still going
[14:54] <inetpro> Kilos: I like going the long routes :-)
[14:54] <Kilos> yes i know
[14:54] <Kilos> but your normally get it fixed mr fixit
[14:54] <Kilos> i actually miss the days i needed help all the time
[14:55] <bushtech_> unplugged usb/serial but still wouln't reboot
[14:55] <inetpro> you get to understand more of it going the long route 
[14:55] <inetpro> bushtech_: ai!
[14:55] <Kilos> how long has this thing been running
[14:55] <Kilos> new install or upgrade or what caused the prob
[14:55] <bushtech_> what?
[14:55] <inetpro> bushtech_: I didn't expect it to be the issue
[14:57] <bushtech_> now  I'm going to try hashing out the usb line in /etc/modules
[14:57] <inetpro> worth a try but I don't think it's that
[14:59] <inetpro> bushtech_: have you tried booting with a live CD, just to see whether it works?
[15:01] <bushtech_> no
[15:01] <bushtech_> ok rebooting with hashed line didnt work as you expected Sir
[15:02] <inetpro> re-installing is the absolute last option
[15:02] <inetpro> there has to be a good reason why it failed
[15:03] <bushtech_> been trying for weeks to find it
[15:04] <inetpro> wow, you are a very patient man
[15:04] <bushtech_> btw that was the only line in /etc/modules
[15:05] <bushtech_> been able to boot it so not a critical issue
[15:05]  * inetpro has nothing defined in /etc/modules
[15:07] <bushtech_> yeah, something must have added it. just need to check at 5.30 that the weather station posts
[15:30] <inetpro> bushtech_: you only work on cli from this machine?
[15:39] <inetpro> bushtech_: have you looked at /var/log/kern.log yet?
[15:39] <bushtech_> currently ssh'ed in from windows machine via mobaxterm
[15:39] <inetpro> and did your weather station work?
[15:41] <bushtech_> yep weather station posted
[15:44] <inetpro> bushtech_: do you have Windows 10 installed?
[15:45] <bushtech_> on my windows laptop yes
[15:47] <bushtech_> masses of stuff in kern.log
[15:47] <bushtech_> something I should look for?
[15:47] <bushtech_> spotted this: \_SB_.PCI0:_OSC invalid UUID
[15:47] <hibana> hmm...
[15:48] <hibana> inetpro got lost in the ether somewhere
[15:48] <inetpro> bushtech_: sorry, am not sure what I missed
[15:49] <inetpro> last thing I had was this "bushtech_: do you have Windows 10 installed?"
[16:07] <bushtech_> on my windows laptop yes
[16:07] <bushtech_> masses of stuff in kern.log
[16:07] <bushtech_> something I should look for?
[16:09] <inetpro> ai!
[16:10] <bushtech_> lyk my jy voel soos ou geniss- beswaard
[16:11]  * inetpro don't like it when someone/something pulls the rug out under my feet
[16:12] <bushtech_> patience my young paduan
[16:14] <bushtech_> no time limit on this- go eat supper, etc
[17:19] <Kilos> lol
[17:22] <bushtech_> wat lag jy. dis ernstige stories die :)
[18:48] <inetpro> Kilos: ja nee man, wat gaan aan?
[19:12] <bushtech> dink hyt al gaan slaap
[19:14] <inetpro> ja lyk my so
[19:15] <inetpro> seker van skok uitgepaas omdat die Sharks verloor het
[19:15] <bushtech> inetpro dankie vir die hulp waardeer dit
[19:17] <inetpro> bushtech: groot plesier meneer, maar weet nie so mooi of ek met enigiets gehelp het nie
[19:17] <bushtech> monitor nog kern.log maar sien niks snaaks nie
[19:17] <bushtech> 2 koppe darem beter as een
[19:17] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:18] <inetpro> bushtech: maar as jy kans het moet jy die live CD probeer
[19:18] <bushtech> aha man nog wakker
[19:18] <inetpro> Kilos: welkom terug
[19:18] <Kilos> was dozing guys, had another chest day
[19:18] <Kilos> danke
[19:18] <inetpro> ai!
[19:18] <bushtech> hoop jys ok
[19:18] <Kilos> yeah it was a mild one
[19:19] <inetpro> bushtech: probeer eers jou normale 32bit iso en dan probeer jy bietjie die 64bit... en kyk of jy enigiets wys word
[19:19] <bushtech> what is involved in changing from 32 bit to 64 bit?
[19:19] <bushtech> great minds
[19:19] <Kilos> big job
[19:19] <Kilos> everything changes
[19:20] <bushtech> complete reinstall rewuired?
[19:20] <Kilos> only some multiarch packages are used still i think
[19:20] <bushtech> required
[19:20] <Kilos> i think so yes
[19:20] <inetpro> most developers are ahead of the game on high end devices with the latest and greatest speeds
[19:20] <Kilos> cant just do an upgrade i think
[19:20] <inetpro> they don't care about 32bit anymore
[19:21] <bushtech> dont know if I got the strentgh to set up raid and rsync again
[19:21] <Kilos> night guys, have a good night and rest well
[19:21] <Kilos> lol
[19:21] <bushtech> nag lekker slaap
[19:21]  * Kilos waves
[19:21] <Kilos> dankie baie
[19:25] <bushtech> inetpro: I suppose it should be 1604 live cd. 
[19:25] <bushtech> got lots of prev versions lol
[19:26] <inetpro> you want the normal Unity version?
[19:27] <inetpro> that would be http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso
[19:27] <bushtech> duh. unity x Mir kde etc mean nothing to me 
[19:28] <bushtech> just go with the vanilla version
[19:28] <bushtech> less $%#@
[19:30] <bushtech> the way I feel now juming through hoops to reboot is less hassle than seting up raid and rsync again
[19:30] <bushtech> oh and trying to remember how I got my weather sation to work on ubuntu
[19:31] <bushtech> sation/station
[19:32] <bushtech> just thinking about it ugh
[19:33] <inetpro> haha, I know that feeling
[19:33] <inetpro> you're getting too old sir
[19:33] <bushtech> heh no I just dont know enough
[19:34] <bushtech> things like that take days of googling
[19:34] <inetpro> please note, I didn't say you should just do the install
[19:34] <inetpro> just run the system from CD and see whether it works
[19:35] <inetpro> or from DVD for that matter
[19:35] <inetpro> I mean USB
[19:35] <bushtech> stck?
[19:35] <inetpro> yep
[19:35] <bushtech> oh yeah
[19:36] <bushtech> Works great but seems to eat usb sticks
[19:36] <bushtech> cant get them back to normal
[19:37] <inetpro> if it works from your old 32bit live disk then we know there's something that can be fixed
[19:37] <inetpro> no man, with usb you can do the installation and then clean it again for other uses
[19:38] <bushtech> just busy hunting for that 32 bit iso. must be on one ofthe computers arond here
[19:39] <bushtech> with me they seem to ebcome one purpose. wipe them and nothing can read them
[19:39] <inetpro> you just need gparted to format a flash disk in VFAT or old DOS format again
[19:40] <inetpro> gparted made things quite easy these days
[19:40] <bushtech> ah found it ubuntu-16.04.1-server-i386x
[19:40] <inetpro> server?
[19:41] <bushtech> yep its a server hence raid rsync
[19:41] <inetpro> oh but then you don't need the GUI at all
[19:42] <bushtech> theoretically yes but practically no
[19:42] <inetpro> I mean, the server version doesn't come with GUI
[19:42] <inetpro> if you want a GUI then you install the desktop version
[19:42] <bushtech> yep I add it
[19:42] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:43] <inetpro> what do you need the GUI for?
[19:43] <bushtech> its a server I use server version
[19:43] <bushtech> check on weather station, etc
[19:44] <inetpro> you have a link for me?
[19:44] <bushtech> much as I like cli, it doesnt work for everything
[19:44] <bushtech> for weather station?
[19:44] <inetpro> if you want the server version you need http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ubuntu-16.04.2-server-amd64.iso
[19:44] <inetpro> bushtech: yes
[19:45] <bushtech> https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=INORTHWE6#history
[19:45] <inetpro> that's yours?
[19:46] <bushtech> have a good look. If I start reloading gonna be a month of Sundays before you see it again
[19:46] <bushtech> yes
[19:47] <inetpro> golden rule: don't rush into it
[19:48] <bushtech> wise words I tell myself every time
[19:48] <inetpro> do you have a link to where they tell you how to install it?
[19:48] <bushtech> just dont listen to myself
[19:49] <bushtech> ooh, that will be weewx
[19:50] <bushtech> I dont shudder when I think about it so prob wasnt too painful
[19:51] <bushtech> http://www.weewx.com/docs/debian.htm
[19:51] <inetpro> you don't have a webcam there, do you?
[19:51] <bushtech> no, keep looking at them but too expensive
[19:52] <inetpro> cool
[19:52] <bushtech> but then I am looking at night imaging
[19:52]  * inetpro still dreaming of setting up a weather station
[19:53] <bushtech> not for the weather but the wild critters running around here at night
[19:53] <inetpro> doesn't look too difficult actually 
[19:53] <inetpro> but always easier said than done
[19:53] <bushtech> dont think so
[19:53] <inetpro> why not just install the real thing and do it on Debian?
[19:54] <bushtech> whereabouts you, you might have a station running wunderground near you
[19:54] <bushtech> explain please
[19:56] <inetpro> you know the Heatherdale Cemetery perhaps or Bentleys Country Lodge? I'm close to that in Pretoria North / Karenpark
[19:58] <bushtech> lets have look
[19:58] <inetpro> Ubuntu Server should be perfectly fine as well
[19:59] <inetpro> you don't have a spare machine there perhaps?
[19:59] <bushtech> waterkloof
[19:59] <inetpro> you don't want the weatherstation to stop running while you battle with the installation
[19:59] <bushtech> got a small zbox
[20:00] <bushtech> i wont lose records just the posting to wunderground will stop
[20:01] <bushtech> weather st stores about 3months. 
[20:01] <bushtech> should manage the changeover in that hah
[20:01] <inetpro> how much bandwidth does it use?
[20:01] <inetpro> probably insignificant
[20:02] <inetpro> this one looks closest to me https://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/FAWB
[20:02] <bushtech> wonderboom south https://www.wunderground.com/q/zmw:00000.32.68262
[20:02] <inetpro> what are we talking about in terms of hardware needed?
[20:02] <bushtech> ah ok
[20:03] <bushtech> davis vantage vue does it you dont need the most expensive davis
[20:04] <inetpro> and you get that where?
[20:05] <bushtech> there is an agent in SA
[20:05] <inetpro> eish! R12,770
[20:05] <inetpro> http://www.killerdeals.co.za/davis-vantage-weather-station-p-1627.html
[20:06] <bushtech> cw Price
[20:07] <bushtech> doent sound like a killer deal to me
[20:08] <bushtech> think I paid about 6K, but that was 7 years ago
[20:09] <inetpro> will have to remain lower down in my list of priorities for now
[20:10] <bushtech> and just remembered you need a data logger as wel
[20:10] <inetpro> anyway, I don't see where you need any GUI, so please don't install a GUI
[20:11] <bushtech> what did you mean here: why not just install the real thing and do it on Debian
[20:13] <bushtech> inetpro: 
[20:14] <inetpro> because at the to it says, "weeWX: Installation on Debian-based systems"
[20:15] <bushtech> one of which is ubuntu
[20:16] <inetpro> which is fine
[20:17] <bushtech> I run 2 servers, like having them the same, then I can cross check
[20:18] <inetpro> thing with these installation guidelines, they don't always give you the whole thing from A to Z
[20:19] <bushtech> yes, have found that many times
[20:19] <bushtech> then you need a crysta balll
[20:21] <inetpro> looks like even the Raspberry Pi would be a good candidate as a weather station
[20:23] <inetpro> what specs do you have for your server?
[20:24] <bushtech> as a weather station or handling the data from a ws
[20:24] <bushtech> specs?
[20:25] <inetpro> the amount of CPU and RAM for the server with the serial port 
[20:25] <bushtech> I3 with 4g ram
[20:25] <inetpro> specs = specifications
[20:26] <bushtech> heh I know the abbrev.
[20:26] <inetpro> haha
[20:26] <inetpro> looks like an overkill if you ask me... unless you use it for other purposes as well
[20:27] <bushtech> it only an i3 cos mb was replaced 2 months a go
[20:28] <bushtech> wouldnt call it exactly high spec
[20:30] <inetpro> how often does it upload to wunderground.com?
[20:31] <inetpro> looks like once every 30 minutes
[20:31] <bushtech> correct
[20:32] <bushtech> when this station was set up data out here was via satellite @ R3K for a gig per month
[20:32] <inetpro> yikes!
[20:33] <inetpro> Raspberry Pi 3 Model B features a quad-core 64-bit ARM Cortex A53 clocked at 1.2 GHz with 1GB of LPDDR2-900 SDRAM
[20:33] <inetpro> looks like that ^^ is more than enough even
[20:34] <bushtech> oh I'm sure
[20:34] <bushtech> but hanging 3hdd off it hmmm
[20:35] <inetpro> R629
[20:35] <inetpro> how much HDD space do you use?
[20:36] <bushtech> just installed unetbootin on server, no idea how you would run it from cli
[20:36] <bushtech> 2 backup drives are 1tb each
[20:36] <bushtech> just need to backup 2 windows laptops
[20:37] <inetpro> ah, so there's the answer to my question above
[20:37] <bushtech> oh and my kodi backup
[20:37] <inetpro> question / statement
[20:38] <inetpro> kodi, for what?
[20:39] <inetpro> Music, Movies, TV Shows and Photos?
[20:39] <bushtech> the kodi backup. your kodi setup files
[20:39] <bushtech> no music etc . thats on the other server
[20:39] <inetpro> interesting
[20:40] <bushtech> this time I dont need new undies
[20:41] <inetpro> haha :-)
[20:42] <bushtech> Ive got 1604.1 here shouls I rather download 1604.2?
[20:44] <inetpro> doesn't mater that much, your first update with 16.04.1 will just download much more files than if you start with .2
[20:45] <bushtech> just want to run it as a livecd
[20:53] <inetpro> did you download the desktop version?
[20:53] <bushtech> no downloads yet
[20:53] <inetpro> the server version has no live cd thingy, if I remember correctly
[20:54] <inetpro> s/thingy/interface/
[20:55] <bushtech> ah see wahat you mean
[20:57] <bushtech> but if im gonna start buggering around might just as well download 1604.2  Which is only 64 bit afaik and install it
[21:00] <inetpro> just do it! 
[21:00] <inetpro> if you have the data, of course
[21:02] <bushtech> i have the data these days, thats why you're suddenly seeing me here again
[21:02] <bushtech> but I'm going with server version again
[21:03] <inetpro> cool
[21:05] <bushtech> so how far is nearest weather station to you?
[21:05] <inetpro> install the whole thing, as if you don't have the weather station connected to it, on another machine just to experiment 
[21:06] <bushtech> hmm yeah can do
[21:06] <bushtech> shouldnt bend the zbox
[21:08] <inetpro> oops, as if you have the weather station connected*
[21:09] <inetpro> daspoort is probably closer to me but that's on the other side of the mountain
[21:09] <bushtech> yeah no good, totally diff wether on either side
[21:12] <inetpro> time to go sleep
[21:12] <inetpro> good night
[21:13] <bushtech> night inetpro thanks
[21:13] <inetpro> you're welcome