[00:11] <hfp> Well that was underwhelming... I rebooted and it wasn't broken, it started up normally. Without even running boot-repair or anything. I guess it's because when it asked about where to install the new GRUB I didn't select any drive. Oh well, that's good! Now, how do I undo the mess I created with this huge apt install?
[00:12] <sary> Melissa_McC: Ok.
[00:14] <Bashing-om> hfp: Maybe Try ; ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ; sudo apt -f install ' If all comes up clean then see that ' sudo dpkg -C " only returns to prompt .
[00:15] <m1chael> hey everyone. this is a first time i'm seeing something like this! I am attempting to revive a friend's very old hard drive NTFS (Windows XP) hard drive. It's an 80GB IDE. I've managed to get the thing mounted but it appears like it's missing files and directories. Someone played with the drive before me, and it took many tries to get it to mount correctly. Anyone have any suggestions for us?
[00:15] <hfp> oh wait should I remove grub-pc and reinstall grub-efi and friends before?
[00:16] <hfp> Bashing-om: full-upgrade will upgrade every package, right? But it won't remove all the ones that my previous apt install <150 packages I don't really all need> did, will it?
[00:16] <Bashing-om> hfp: It booted back up , so grub I expect is fine as is .
[00:17] <hfp> I think GRUB wasn't overwritten, but apt said it uninstalled grub-efi and friends while it installed grub-pc. Isn't that a problem for the future, when a new kernel will be installed/upgraded?
[00:18] <Bashing-om> hfp: "full-upgrade" will install whatever the package manager deems needed for all packages on the current install . where as install -f ( fix broken ) will sure try and fix the system - whatever that may take .
[00:18] <hfp> Unless I'm missing something of course :)
[00:19] <hfp> I see
[00:19] <hfp> Alright, let me try that
[00:20] <electricmilk> michael_mbp:  You can try doing a data recovery on it with Photorec/testdisk .  Just make sure you recover the files onto a DIFFERENT drive.
[00:20] <electricmilk> michael_mbp:  run sudo apt-get install testdisk
[00:21] <electricmilk> michael_mbp:   And then run:  sudo photorec       (It should be fairly easy to use from there.)
[00:21] <hfp> That's what full-upgrade says: http://termbin.com/z0yk -- It's a surpring low number of packages, I would have expected a lot more to be there. Also, copyq? I'm using it but how is it needed by the current install? And no sign of grub-efi
[00:23] <electricmilk> michael_mbp:  Also you will lose the filenames and directory structure but all the files that are physically on the drive will get recovered.  Even files that were deleted and moved to the freespace.  It will do a very complete recovery.
[00:24] <Bashing-om> hfp: looking .
[00:24] <hfp> Bashing-om: Alright, I followed your instruction. full-upgrade reinstalled a few packages, -f install came back clean, and the dpkg command didn't output anything.
[00:24] <hfp> instructions*
[00:26] <electricmilk> oops I was talking to the wrong Michael.  m1chael  Please see message above
[00:26] <m1chael> electricmilk: that looks like great advice! i'll try it out!
[00:27] <ChogyDan> hfp what are you recovering from?
[00:27] <Bashing-om> hfp: Good deal :) . as to copyq : Installed from PPA ( add-apt-repository ppa:hluk/copyq ) . // What now ' sudo dpkg -C ' ?
[00:28] <electricmilk> m1chael:  No problem.  Photorec works great. It's a freaking lifesaver but PLEASE remember to recover to another drive....VITAL you do this.
[00:28] <ChogyDan> hfp, you may have removed the distro meta package
[00:28] <electricmilk> m1chael:   Here is a little guide www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec_Step_By_Step
[00:30] <hfp> ChogyDan: recovering from installing all these extra packages I don't need. I have the command output here: http://termbin.com/w5l9. Should I apt remove anything that's under "The following NEW packages will be installed:" while reinstalling what's under "The following packages will be REMOVED:"? It seems that "The following additional packages will be installed:" is a subset of "The following NEW packages
[00:30] <hfp> will be installed:"
[00:30] <hfp> Bashing-om: sudo dpkg -C returns nothing and exits with 0
[00:30] <ChogyDan> hfp, what was the command that you ran that gave that output?
[00:31] <Bashing-om> hfp: Seems then the system is stable and happy as is :)
[00:32] <hfp> ChogyDan: `sudo apt-get remove $(grep -vE "^\s*#" req_pkg  | tr "\n" " ")`, req_pkg being this: http://termbin.com/p5e7
[00:33] <ChogyDan> hfp, omg, I don't understand that command.  what are you grepping for?  -dev packages?
[00:33] <hfp> ChogyDan: that command takes every line in req_pkg (the file I linked) and removes line returns so apt install has a long list of packages to install
[00:33] <hfp> The list of packages is from the file I linked
[00:33] <sary> m1chael: what does ls -l at the HHD result out!
[00:34] <ChogyDan> !orphaned
[00:34] <hfp> so it installed a ton of packages I don't need, but I can't just remove that list, because some packages are needed by my base system
[00:34] <hfp> or were already there before
[00:34] <ChogyDan> hfp, ya, there is an orphaned package tool
[00:34] <hfp> Hence my idea to take the list from what apt install said it would do following that command
[00:34] <ChogyDan> hfp, maybe gtkorphan
[00:35] <ChogyDan> hfp, just make sure that you have the kernel and distro meta packages installed
[00:37] <hfp> ChogyDan: deborpan only returns this list: http://termbin.com/opto
[00:38] <ChogyDan> hfp, I don't have ubuntu installed atm, but there was a command to look up a reverse dependency.
[00:39] <ChogyDan> hfp, and gtkorphan has a lot more options...
[00:42] <DanteEdward> Can anyone help me get rid of a perpetual graphics stutter on a fresh install of Ubuntu 16.04?
[00:42] <hfp> That's the thing, I don't think any of these packages are orphaned since I requested them to be installed how can the system tell I don't want them
[00:43] <ChogyDan> hfp, I know how to do it in gtkorphan
[00:44] <ChogyDan> hfp, I forget the option, but you add the packages to some ignore list. I don't have it open in front of me.  Maybe right click, maybe in the options
[00:44] <sary> DanteEdward: just state the issue in details.
[00:45] <hfp> ChogyDan: is it hibernated packages?
[00:45] <ChogyDan> hfp, that rings a bell
[00:46] <hfp> the list is empty
[00:47] <ChogyDan> hfp, well, you have to add packages to the list.  You add the packages you want to keep, and then they are removed from the main list
[00:47] <DanteEdward> My whole graphics feed keeps pausing approximately 3/sec, and I'm not even running anything that intense. I've got a GeForce GTX 970 and I'm using the v375.66 official proprietary drivers because the Additional Drivers tab doesn't offer anything else but the nouveau driver, which doesn't work at all for me.
[00:48] <hfp> ChogyDan: I don't understand what this does. I don't remember/know every package I want to keep...
[00:48] <ChogyDan> hfp, right click the package and hibernate them
[00:48] <hfp> ChogyDan: which package though?
[00:48] <ChogyDan> hfp, do you know the main ones you want to keep?  Just the programs you installed
[00:48] <ChogyDan> hfp, what distro?
[00:49] <hfp> ChogyDan: well not really, there are tons of packages installed that I need but I don't have a list off the top of my head. ubuntu 17.04
[00:49] <DanteEdward> I had the same problem on Mint. I formatted my drive and switched to Ubuntu to try and make the problem not a thing.
[00:50] <ChogyDan> hfp, well, you want to hibernate the ones you installed, not any dependencies, if that makes sense.   ubuntu-desktop should depend on everything in the main desktop   linux-generic should depend on the latest kernel.
[00:51] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-375 xenial | DanteEdward
[00:52] <sary> DanteEdward: do you have the same behaviour using the free nouveau driver!
[00:52] <Bashing-om> DanteEdward: ^^ partners repo enabled on your system ?
[00:52] <DanteEdward> RaptorJesus: I'm pretty sure there's pills that can help you last longer next time.
[00:53] <hfp> ChogyDan: not sure that's what I need though. I passed a long list of things to apt to install so it did install most of them. Now I want to remove antyhing from that list that wasn't installed before it ran. Not necessarily dependencies, some of these packages were directly installed. I have the list apt gave me before installing but I don't know if I should apt remove the list under "The following NEW
[00:53] <hfp> packages will be installed" or under "The following additional packages will be installed"
[00:53] <DanteEdward> sary: I can't tell. My screens won't turn on when I boot with the nouveau driver.
[00:54] <DanteEdward> Bashing-om: I'm VERY new to Linux. I have no idea what a "partners repo" even is.
[00:54] <ChogyDan> hfp, are you sure $(grep -vE "^\s*#" req_pkg  | tr "\n" " ") works properly?
[00:56] <DanteEdward> Bashing-om: I have no idea what ChogyDan said just now, and I have no idea whether or not's it' someting advanced or elementary.
[00:56] <hfp> ChogyDan: yes, it basically takes every line in the req_pkg text file and puts it on one long line. So it's the same as doing `sudo apt install <hundreds of packages>`
[00:56] <ChogyDan> DanteEdward, I was speaking to hfp, a different user
[00:57] <hfp> ChogyDan: but I don't want all these anymore. some of the packages were already installed, others were installed as a result of running this command. I want to remove them.
[00:57] <ChogyDan> hfp, that's what I don't get.  It doesn't look like the output of a remove command.  It would be nice to see the command
[00:57] <DanteEdward> I know. I was reffering to the terminal string you typed out. I have no idea what any of that could possibly mean.
[00:58] <hfp> ChogyDan: it was the output of an install command, which I'm ont trying to figure out how to undo
[00:58] <ChogyDan> hfp, oh, so you saved that output, and that is what you want to undo
[00:58] <hfp> that's right
[00:59] <ChogyDan> have you installed ubuntu=standard?
[00:59] <hfp> so I'm wondering which list should I take from that output for apt remove, the one under "The following additional packages will be installed" or the one under "The following NEW packages will be installed"
[00:59] <sary> DanteEdward: how did you install the Nvidia driver!
[01:00] <Bashing-om> DanteEdward: The 375 driver is in the repo. There has to be some reason why "additional Drivers" does not see it . One reason might be that the partner repo is not enabled ( is by default) . what shows the terminal command  ' grep "partner" /etc/apt/sources.list ' ?
[01:00] <ChogyDan> hfp, the new list lists all packages, as well as dependencies
[01:01] <hfp> ChogyDan: right, so that's the list I want to use for apt remove, or will it automatically figure out the dependencies from the other list?
[01:01] <ChogyDan> hfp, the dependencies are already there, take a look
[01:01] <DanteEdward> Bashing-om: 375 is in Additional Drivers, though. It's one of only two things there, the other being nouveau.
[01:02] <DanteEdward> sary: I installed it through the Additional Drivers tab in the Synaptic Package Manager
[01:03] <hfp> ChogyDan: what do you mean there? there where?
[01:03] <Bashing-om> DanteEdward: Now I am confused as your 1st post "  Additional Drivers tab doesn't offer anything else but the nouveau driver " .
[01:04] <sary> DanteEdward: Ok.
[01:04] <ChogyDan> hfp, here: http://termbin.com/w5l9      all additional are listed as new
[01:05] <DanteEdward> Bashing-om: For clarification, Mint offered four or five other options. It said that they were open-source Nvidia drivers.
[01:05] <DanteEdward> It offered them in the Additional Drivers tab.
[01:06] <DanteEdward> Ubuntu's only giving me two options: the proprietary NVidia driver and nouveau.
[01:07] <Bashing-om> DanteEdward: ' cat /var/log/gpu-manager.log | nc termbin.com 9999 ' The result is a URL back in terminal, pass that link back here . We find out what is not going on . // ubuntu now only offers the latest nvidia drivers that will work for a given card .
[01:08] <hfp> ChogyDan: hmmm I'm still not sure if I should go with the list under "The following NEW packages will be installed" or the one further up under "The following additional packages will be installed"
[01:08] <hfp> ChogyDan: NEW is packages to insatll + dependencies to upgrade?
[01:08] <DanteEdward> Bashing-om: http://termbin.com/vbsc
[01:09] <Bashing-om> DanteEdward: reading .
[01:15] <Bashing-om> DanteEdward: Looks good . I see no faults reported . What have we got actually installed ? ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999 ' .
[01:16] <DanteEdward> http://termbin.com/vayq
[01:16] <DanteEdward> The problem was present before I installed anything.
[01:16] <hfp> ChogyDan: yolo, I removed the NEW list, and reinstalled the removed list. nothing blew up. I'm going to try and reboot, see what happens. see you on the other side.
[01:17] <Bashing-om> DanteEdward: Here we go ! a driver conflict " ii  nvidia-367 and ii  nvidia-375 " .
[01:18] <DanteEdward> I did attempt to install 367, yes
[01:18] <DanteEdward> In an attempt to fix the problem that was already evident.
[01:19] <hfp> alright it seems like it went well. Thanks ChogyDan, Bashing-om, oerheks_, seems like everything is back to normal.
[01:20] <hfp> Next question: what's the recommended way of backing up a 17.04 laptop?
[01:20] <Dreaman> DanteEdward  use normal repo driver
[01:20] <hfp> in case I screw up again I'll have a backup to restore
[01:20] <Dreaman> card is
[01:20] <ChogyDan> hfp, yay, glad it worked
[01:21] <DanteEdward> Dreaman: I don't know what you mean. If you mean the Nouveau driver, my screens will not turn on when I atempt to use Nouveau.
[01:21] <Dreaman> GLX Renderer: GeForce 940MX/PCIe/SSE2
[01:21] <Dreaman>            GLX Version: 4.5.0 NVIDIA 375.66
[01:21] <Dreaman> work
[01:22] <Bashing-om> DanteEdward: can be only one ! must remove one prior to installing another . Do ' sudo apt purge nvidia* ; sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' I do not expect xorg.conf to exist but just in case we want it gone .
[01:22] <hfp> I tried dejadup/ubuntu's backup utility but I wasn't impressed. It seems to only backup /home, and you can't even use it to restore on a fresh install. I'd rather make a full snapshop of the drive to another partition or something that I could restore.
[01:23] <hfp> Plus dejadup on 17.04 crashes my machine when it takes backups
[01:23] <ChogyDan> hfp, I wish there was a better back up thing
[01:24] <DanteEdward> ffs
[01:24] <DanteEdward> Bashing-o.: /var/lib/dpkg/ is locked
[01:24] <DanteEdward> And xorg.conf doesn't exist, according to the terminal.
[01:26] <Bashing-om> DanteEdward: Got another instance of package management active at this time ? again there can be only one instance - one reason why ya get the lock advisory .
[01:26] <DanteEdward> Oh, that's what causes that?
[01:26] <DanteEdward> I has Synaptic open
[01:26] <sary> DanteEdward: you can't have apt and synaptic at the same time , sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[01:26] <DanteEdward> had*
[01:27] <sary> after that , you might need to sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:28] <DanteEdward> No need.
[01:28] <DanteEdward> I closed Synaptic and the command is processing now.
[01:28] <sary> Great!
[01:28] <Bashing-om> DanteEdward: :)
[01:32] <DanteEdward> Alright, command processed.
[01:32] <Bashing-om> DanteEdward: reboot to see the effect .
[01:32] <DanteEdward> Before I reboot
[01:33] <DanteEdward> I'm accessing IRC through a browser because Hexchat isn't wanting to play nice
[01:33] <DanteEdward> I put in Freenode's details, and I'm getting remotely d/c'd
[01:34] <DanteEdward> I've got it running now
[01:34] <Bashing-om> DanteEdward: never used hexchat , no experience to advise . sary ??
[01:34] <DanteEdward> And I'm getting an instant "connection reset by peer" each time it tries to connect
[01:35] <sary> Yeah that's freenode web-interface , I would report that in #freenode , i use irssi .
[01:35] <DanteEdward> So there's probably no way I can connect to Freenode with Hexchat, then?
[01:36] <bazhang> DanteEdward, sure there is
[01:36] <bazhang> DanteEdward, ask in #freenode and #hexchat
[01:36] <DanteEdward> I'll try those inna minute, then.
[01:36] <bazhang> ok
[01:36] <Bashing-om> DanteEdward: Sure there is . it is just a config issue I bet . Many people here use hexchat . ( me too with irssi )
[01:36] <sary> i use to see it supported section on freenode website, have you checked there.
[01:36] <DanteEdward> I'm gonna reconnect and see if this stutter's gone
[01:37] <DanteEdward> eboot*
[01:37] <DanteEdward> reboot*
[01:37] <DanteEdward> ffs, learn to type, me.
[01:44] <DanteEdward> I'm back.
[01:44] <DanteEdward> And so is the graphics stutter.
[01:44] <sary> wb.
[01:45] <DanteEdward> The purge and autoinstall didn't fix the problem.
[01:45] <tsarompy> hey um
[01:45] <tsarompy> can anyone do me a quick favor
[01:45] <tsarompy> i just set up lighttpd
[01:46] <tsarompy> can anyone confirm if this link works? http://pareidolia.tk:92/mowindalawn.gif
[01:46] <tsarompy> my router is finicky
[01:46] <sary> it works.
[01:47] <tsarompy> ty
[01:48] <sary> DanteEdward: which nivida version currently in use $ $ dpkg -l | grep -i "NVIDIA binary driver
[01:49] <Bashing-om> DanteEdward: Is X all happy ? what does the log file relate ? ' cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999 ' .
[01:50] <DanteEdward> sary: That command seems to be breaking my terminal.
[01:51] <DanteEdward> Bashing-om: http://termbin.com/1k6l
[01:52] <Bashing-om> DanteEdward: reading - I be a while .
[01:53] <sary> DanteEdward: search for the available driver versions in the repo with $ $ sudo apt-cache search "NVIDIA binary driver" .. found a later one!
[01:53] <DanteEdward> sary: I figured out what was wrong. NVidia binary driver v375.66
[01:53] <sary> well, it doesn't break mine.
[01:54] <sary> So, v375 is the wrong one!
[01:54] <DanteEdward> It does when you don't put " on the end.
[01:54] <DanteEdward> And when you don't know how to linux
[01:55] <DanteEdward> Case in point: me.
[01:55] <Dreaman> model video card is
[01:55] <sary> Weel, we all learn something at one oint or another :) at least you're not lazzy as most newbies!
[01:55] <DanteEdward> GTX 970
[01:56] <Dreaman> work
[01:56] <Dreaman> my laptop
[01:56] <Dreaman> restart
[01:56] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om Hey dude - I'm back...and ready to give my NVIDIA another try (holy cow - looks like Dante is working with the same thing0
[01:56] <DanteEdward> You've got the same graphics stutter issue?
[01:57] <Melissa_McC> DanteEdward - Nah... I *wish* it only stuttered.... every time the system updates, it knocks my drivers out of wack - and I can't boot to desktop!!
[01:57] <Dreaman> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25100834/
[01:58] <Dreaman> see
[01:58] <DanteEdward> Yikes D:
[01:58] <Dreaman> i use 2
[01:58] <Dreaman> processor use 520 intel
[02:01] <Bashing-om> DanteEdward: what is " VIZ D39h-C0 " ? You running with 3 monitors ? . what results when only one monitor is in use ?
[02:01] <oerheks_> intel 520 .. try the 'tearfree' and sna options  https://askubuntu.com/questions/752743/ubuntu-16-04-skylake-6th-generation-screen-flickering
[02:01] <oerheks_> Dreaman ^^
[02:01] <Bashing-om> Melissa_McC: Remind me where we were . real short attention span here .
[02:02] <DanteEdward> Bashing-om: I am running with three monitors, yes.
[02:02] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om ok - I uninstalled the NVIDIA driver...and ensured nouveau was up to date...
[02:02] <DanteEdward> VIZ D39h-C0 is my TV, hooked up by way of HDMI
[02:02] <Bashing-om> DanteEdward: Just seems the driver is not happy with VIZ D39h-C0 .
[02:03] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om but when I try to reboot - it takes me to black screen (with flashing cursor up top - but won't type)
[02:03] <DanteEdward> Lemme see what happens when I disconnect it
[02:03] <Bashing-om> Melissa_McC: What release are you running, and is there some issue with the nouveau driver ?
[02:04] <DanteEdward> Bashing-om: Just disconnected my TV and I'm still getting stutter.
[02:04] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om - it seems my GeForce 970 card doesn't like the default drivers - how do I get the release number?
[02:05] <DanteEdward> Lemme disconnect my second monitor and give you another link, Bashing-Om
[02:05] <Bashing-om> Melissa_McC: ' lsb_release -a ' .
[02:06] <DanteEdward> Bashing-om: http://termbin.com/20wr
[02:06] <Dreaman> http://imgur.com/a/2mgHe   oerheks_  4k
[02:06] <Dreaman> work good
[02:06] <Bashing-om> DanteEdward: pull the other monitor, reboot . Looking at the log file . X just is not in a happy state . Why, I do not know .
[02:07] <DanteEdward> Huh.
[02:07] <DanteEdward> Lemme reboot. I'll be back.
[02:07] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om that cmd isn't working... (I tried 1sb_release -a ....and lsb_release -a)
[02:07] <DanteEdward> Damnit
[02:08] <DanteEdward> gnome-keyring-daemon keeps preventing me from shutting down
[02:08] <Bashing-om> DanteEdward: " NVIDIA(GPU-0): VIZ D39h-C0 (DFP-1): connected" system still thinks that the TV is connected .
[02:09] <DanteEdward> It is, physically.
[02:09] <DanteEdward> I shut it off in the display menu though
[02:10] <Bashing-om> Melissa_McC: that be a a ell (l) not a one (1) . " sysop@x1604:~$ lsb_release -a >> Description:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS " .
[02:11] <DanteEdward> Can anyone help me make GKD quit stopping my shutdowns real quick
[02:12] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om 17.04
[02:15] <RadarG> Hello
[02:16] <io_elephant> Can someone help me fix a ext4 fs please? I have booted from live disk and when i try to mount this drive i am getting "JBD2: Unrecognized features on journal, EXT4-fs (sda1): error loading journal".
[02:16] <RadarG> I have a small 120G SSD that is full I have a bigger one what is the best way to migrate the data will DD be the best route. The drive is from my media server which is a dell poweredge I have a
[02:16] <RadarG> It setup as a raid 0
[02:17] <Bashing-om> Melissa_McC: Is this a desktop install or server ? - what do you normally boot too ?
[02:19] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om just desktop... and I found a good article... http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/how-to-install-latest-nvidia-drivers-in-linux  (which I could follow - but I need to get netowrking !)
[02:19] <RadarG> Can I just DD the drive and then go in with Gparted and extend out the root partition
[02:19] <RadarG> Using a live cd
[02:21] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om Each time I try to sudo apt-get something...I see "Temporary failure resolving..."
[02:21] <sary> I wounder if DanteEdward has an intel CPU that has a built-in GPU!
[02:21] <sary> Wb Melissa_McC .
[02:21] <Melissa_McC> sary Hey...
[02:21] <Bashing-om> Melissa_McC: Well, yeah that is our trusted PPA. but why the PPA  rather than the repo driver ?
[02:22] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om ... you're asking that question like I'm supposed to know the difference ... :/  lol...
[02:22] <Bashing-om> sary: I only see the one device for DanteEdward in the log file .
[02:23] <RadarG> My old drive is showing up as /dev/sbd and the new one is /dev/sda
[02:23] <RadarG> There is multiple partitions on the old drive
[02:24] <sary> Bashing-om: we might want to see their syslog and dmesg , or simple ask.
[02:24] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om  I'm happy to try whatever ideas you may have :)
[02:26] <Bashing-om> Melissa_McC: Then let us remain in our repo . // let me get a nigglong thought out of the way / do "you" have the authority to access your desktop ? ' ls -al .ICEauthority .Xauthority ' returns that you own and are grouped to these ?
[02:26] <RadarG> So if I do dd if=/dev/sbd of=/dev/sda will DD copy the partitions?
[02:29] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om Its my own computer (and I know the admin pass)...but that cmd returns: ls:cannot access '.ICEauthority.Xauthority': No such file or directory
[02:30] <Bashing-om> Melissa_McC: that is 2 filkes . seperate the command targets with a space - .ICEauthority .Xauthority - .
[02:31] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om after separating them I get two lines of the same :No such file or directory
[02:32] <Bashing-om> Melissa_McC: " -rw------- 1 sysop sysop 9420 Jul 15 12:40 .ICEauthority " where I am sysop .
[02:33] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om - are you asking me to type that in, or is that what the output should be?
[02:33] <Bashing-om> Melissa_McC: Humm .. have you ever been able to get to the GUI ?
[02:34] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om  Yes.  my normal gui is a beautiful picture...regular desktop (pass protected)... normallly works beautifully....BUT about every 60 - 90 days, I fight this battle with the device driver
[02:34] <Bashing-om> Melissa_McC: That is what the output should be with "you" vice sysop .
[02:35] <Bashing-om> Melissa_McC: " -rw------- 1 sysop sysop   50 Jul 15 12:40 .Xauthority " .
[02:36] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om  Yeah - I'm not seeing that.  Just the no such file error.    (I'm at root@comp-name:~#)
[02:37] <Bashing-om> Melissa_McC: Ho Kay ! root explains why not present :)
[02:37] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om (I accidentally typed la -al the first time, and saw a list of access lines like the one you asked about... files like: .bash-aliases  .bashrc .cache .config...etc....but no .Xauthority)
[02:38] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om OK cool.  so how do I get where you need to me to be?
[02:38] <Bashing-om> Melissa_McC: So we are back to booting up and having networking - right ?
[02:39] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om Yes, I got here to root via the recovery option in the GRUB
[02:40] <Bashing-om> Melissa_McC: Rather than root, how about we boot into terminal as you from grub ?  And there activate networking .
[02:41] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om  OK cool.  How do I do that?
[02:44] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om  Do you mean the cmd line in grub?  (The one that looks like: GRUB>  )?
[02:45] <sary> that's grub rescue , i think he meant boot into normal mode ' ubuntu ' desktop .
[02:46] <Melissa_McC> sary I think he wanted me to boot into a cmd line terminal.... but I forgot how... something like hold F1 while its booting...or something like that?  right?
[02:47] <Bashing-om> Melissa_McC: Get out of root and reboot the system : terminal command : ' reboot ' . Get to the grub boot menu and there with the latest normal kernel selected to boot press the 'e' key for edit mode . -> boot parameters screen -> arrow down to the line starting with linux and across to "quiet splash" delete these terms and all after and insert the term systemctl isolate graphical.target . Key combo
[02:47] <Bashing-om> ctl+x to continue the boot process to TTY1 . log in here with user name and password . advise when ypu are there .
[02:49] <sary> you switch to a virtual console with Ctrl+alt+f2-6 wheile booted in normal mode.
[02:50] <Bashing-om> sary: Melissa_McC :: Think the OP has tried the F1-6 acesses . no workie .
[02:51] <sary> Bashing-om: Yeah , she might've tried to while in recovery mode as root.
[02:52] <DanteEdward> I'm back
[02:52] <DanteEdward> And the stutter seems to have been fixed
[02:52] <sary> it's been awhile since i had to boot into recovery.
[02:52] <sary> wb
[02:52] <sary> Great! what was the fix?
[02:52] <DanteEdward> I physically disconnected both of my monitors, and the problem disappeared
[02:52] <Bashing-om> sary: Granted be much better from a console .. rather than from grub -> TTY . IF possible .
[02:52] <DanteEdward> And it stayed gone after I reconnected them both and rebooted
[02:53] <sary> Bashing-om: indeed :)
[02:53] <Bashing-om> DanteEdward: and X's log gile is now clean . yes ?
[02:53] <Bashing-om> file*
[02:54] <DanteEdward> How do I check that?
[02:55] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om  OK - deleted the words "quiet splash" - and everything after those...and replaced them with systemctl isolate graphical.target   :  then ctl+x'ed out...and the screen turned purple...
[02:55] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om   ...and its still purple...
[02:55] <Bashing-om> DanteEdward: ' cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log ' .Shorter and sweet now ?
[02:56] <sary> DanteEdward: do you hapeen to know if your cpu has an integrated GPU , as in a an intel built -in GPU!
[02:56] <sary> Melissa_McC: with Nvidia you want to the kernel boot nomodeset paramter.
[02:56] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om  (and when I first read your comment above to sary - I though you wrote "no wookie"...lol)
[02:56] <Bashing-om> Melissa_McC: We have something real deeper goin on here . as at that point the kernel vesa driver is used !
[02:57] <DanteEdward> sary: My GPU is aftermarket.
[02:57] <sary> !nomodset
[02:57] <DanteEdward> And my mobo doesn't have any graphical capabilities
[02:57] <DanteEdward> Well
[02:57] <DanteEdward> Other than its own BIOS
[02:57] <Melissa_McC> sary YES! nomodeset is a term I vaguely remember from the last time I needed this fixed....
[02:57] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om  screen is still purple....
[02:57] <sary> !nomodeset
[02:58] <DanteEdward> My mobo doesn't even have a VGA port built into it
[02:59] <sary> is it home built desktop!
[03:00] <Melissa_McC> sary yes.
[03:03] <Melissa_McC> sary OK - read that post...and it didn't ring any bells for me...I'm pretty sure I didn't need to mess with that last time...the last time - someone here walked me thru installing the latest Nvidia driver - and it fixed it again (for about a month) until this week, when it updated and rebooted
[03:04] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om Do I kill it  ?  Its still purple....
[03:05] <Bashing-om> Melissa_McC: I do have 17.04 in a test bed . I have the options to boot unity, wayland or gnome as the DE . which DE are you booting normally ? // To get out where you are now try ctl+alt+del .
[03:08] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om  Not sure what a DE is...?   But when my computer starts - it goes directly to GRUB 2,02 and my only options for boot on that menu are Ubuntu , and "Advanced Options for Ubuntu" - which is the long list of versions
[03:08] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om  I don't see any Unity, Wayland or Gnome
[03:10] <Bashing-om> Melissa_McC: Well, the options for the (D)esktop (E)nvironment are in a drop down in the log in bix from the icon .
[03:11] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om  Oh, I'm not getting to that log in at all!  the pc hangs long before that login page!
[03:11] <sary> Melissa_McC: noted , so what is the situation now .. are you able to login to the desktop enviroment , or you're not able to login , or you can't even reach the login screen!
[03:11] <Melissa_McC> sary no - I can't get to a log in screen at all.
[03:11] <sary> so we are back to 0..
[03:11] <Bashing-om> Melissa_McC: Ouch ! // Houston we have a problem .
[03:12] <sary> thah :)
[03:12] <tsarompy> um
[03:12] <tsarompy> deleting splash and quiet are good
[03:12] <tsarompy> but yuo need to delete the vt_handoff too
[03:12] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om  Yeah lol.... that's why I need you guys :P
[03:12] <tsarompy> i had that same issue
[03:12] <tsarompy> with black screen boot
[03:12] <tsarompy> its annoying
[03:12] <tsarompy> once you fix it, you can change it in /etc/default/grub
[03:12] <Melissa_McC> tsarompy yup.
[03:13] <tsarompy> yeah i dont know why we must have some sexy boot screen
[03:13] <tsarompy> thats my only beef with ubuntu
[03:13] <tsarompy> i like seeing my console so i know if anythings wrong
[03:13] <tsarompy> my fix was apt remove plymouth* and then editing /boot/grub/grub.cfg and taking out splash quiet and vt_handoff
[03:13] <tsarompy> then you need to edit /etc/default/grub and set uhh
[03:14] <tsarompy> let me check
[03:14] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om that's why the only cmd line I could get was the one thru GRUB...root
[03:14] <tsarompy> uncomment GRUB_TERMINAL=console
[03:14] <tsarompy> now are you having issues besides plymouth
[03:14] <Bashing-om> Melissa_McC: Kist to see what does happen let's try as sary advises ; At the grub boot menu 'e' key -> boot parameter scren -> linus delete ' quiet splash" and all after and insert the term nomodeset . crl+x . what results ?
[03:14] <tsarompy> can you get to your display manager or a tty login otherwise
[03:16] <sary> Melissa_McC: I just scrolled up .. you mentioned havin' 3 monitors attached , what happens if you unplug them and try to reboot to ubuntu from grub .. also did you remove the second nvidia driver that you installed with .run ..
[03:17] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om  ok - lots of white words on black background...things like: Please append a correct "root=" boot option...... Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS Unable to mourne root fs on unknown-block
[03:18] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om ....etc...etc... [end kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root f s on unknown block (0,0)
[03:18] <sary> lets stay in sync with the nomodeset for now , and see what changes.
[03:18] <Melissa_McC> sary ok- If you could say that again in 'human words'...
[03:20] <sary> Melissa_McC: i meant we should try and take one step at a time.
[03:20] <RadarG> I ran a DD from an 120Gb to a 256Gb the source drive was a RAID 0 pulled from a dell poweredge. There was only one disk in the raid group. I tired expanding out the / partition on the new drive using a live cd (gparted) it would not let me resize the partitions. The new drive has two other partitions on it. When looking at fdisk the drive has 120+Gb at the end of the drive. How to I expand out /
[03:20] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om computer seems to have stopped...screen is still full of white words on black back... cursor blinking (but not with a regular cmd line)...and no text is going in
[03:20] <Bashing-om> !sysreq | Melissa_McC
[03:21] <RadarG> The new drive is currently installed on the server
[03:21] <Bashing-om> !sysrq | Melissa_McC
[03:22] <sary> So nothing changes when booting with nomodeset ..
[03:23] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om ...that did nothing....
[03:23] <tsarompy> lol
[03:23] <tsarompy> Melissa_McC, did you delete too much
[03:23] <tsarompy> when you edited the grub prompt
[03:23] <tsarompy> you just deleted quiet and splash right
[03:23] <Melissa_McC> sary well, technically, it was a differnt outcome... words on the screen....(as opposed to blank purple screen) ...but yeah - still didn't get to desktop
[03:23] <tsarompy> not the whole line?
[03:23] <Bashing-om> Melissa_McC: the magic sysrq sequence did nothing ?
[03:24] <Melissa_McC> tsarompy  Possibly.  There was one more line under the quiet splash entry...that I deleted in full
[03:24] <tsarompy> lol
[03:24] <tsarompy> dont do that
[03:24] <tsarompy> hahaha
[03:24] <tsarompy> try again :)
[03:24] <tsarompy> just those words
[03:24] <tsarompy> not the line break or anything
[03:25] <tsarompy> just quiet, splash, $vt_handoff
[03:25] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om  yeah - did nothing (would have been cool - but nah - nothing)
[03:25] <Melissa_McC> tsarompy  the other line was initrd ....I deleted that one too - but you say that's too much?
[03:25] <tsarompy> lol
[03:25] <tsarompy> yeah dont delete that
[03:25] <tsarompy> you need ur initrd
[03:26] <tsarompy> literally just those three words i listed above
[03:26] <tsarompy> dont worry about extra spaces just make sure those words are deleted
[03:26] <tsarompy> then ctrl+x
[03:26] <tsarompy> it should boot
[03:26] <RadarG> Any ideas? Anyone?
[03:26] <Melissa_McC> tsarompy Ok cool....putting nomodeset in there...and keeping my (evidently) important initrd...
[03:26] <tsarompy> um
[03:26] <tsarompy> you dont need nomodeset
[03:27] <tsarompy> just delete splash quiet and $vt_handoff
[03:27] <tsarompy> it'll auto adjust your resolution after a few seconds
[03:27] <Bashing-om> Melissa_McC: You see a line similar " linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-24-generic root=UUID=dbd69ed2-530c-4409-8f5a-a3f1ea41fc67 ro quiet splash $vt_handoff " . all you replace is the quiet splash ( and maybe all after ) . all else we use on the current boot .
[03:28] <tsarompy> i had issues with $vt_handoff as well
[03:28] <tsarompy> i dunno bruh whatever works
[03:29] <Melissa_McC> tsarompy  OK - I had already hit ctl-x - and its working...and seems to be busy (lots of words...and even lots of [OK] 's...)
[03:29] <tsarompy> :D
[03:29] <tsarompy> is this a fresh ubuntu install?
[03:29] <tsarompy> zesty zapus im assuming
[03:29] <tsarompy> im on zesty x64
[03:30] <tsarompy> if you have a display manager installed, its probably gonna take a minute to boot into it so dont freak out
[03:30] <Melissa_McC> tsarompy  Not especially fresh - been running Zesty for several months...
[03:30] <tsarompy> okay well
[03:30] <tsarompy> you can edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg and remove those three options so you dont have to do this every boot
[03:30] <tsarompy> BUT
[03:31] <tsarompy> any updates to the kernel or a few other things will overwrite grub.cfg
[03:31] <Melissa_McC> tsarompy OK - its now saying ""You are in emergency mode ... press enter for maintenance or CTL-D"
[03:31] <tsarompy> but you know what to do now
[03:31] <tsarompy> you booted the emergency one?
[03:31] <tsarompy> any reason why
[03:31] <tsarompy> like did you actually boot into recovery mode or was there a problem
[03:32] <tsarompy> if you press enter it should drop you into a root shell
[03:32] <Melissa_McC> tsarompy No - weird...I booted the top one....let me try again.... do you want me to put nomodeset this time?
[03:32] <tsarompy> no that shouldnt matter
[03:32] <tsarompy> um
[03:32] <tsarompy> get back to the editor and tell me what it says on the line that says linux
[03:33] <Melissa_McC> tsarompy OK - its shutting down now... will let you know...
[03:33] <tsarompy> in the editor look for "recovery" where you would put nomodeset, tell me if its there
[03:34] <tsarompy> it shouldnt take you to recovery mode unless you told it to, or unless there was errors during boot
[03:34] <tsarompy> which it would have told you if so
[03:36]  * tsarompy wishes there was a fork of ubuntu without systemd :(
[03:36] <Melissa_McC> tsarompy  OK - the file is: linux   /boot/vmlinuz-4.10.0-26-generic root=UUID=48402f00-22b4-4229-b1f4-11d19eff160d ro quiet splash $vt_handoff
[03:37] <tsarompy> okay lets see
[03:37] <tsarompy> what about initrd
[03:37] <tsarompy> what does that say
[03:37] <Melissa_McC> tsarompy  (and then below it are echo and initrd lines)... so you want me to delete "quiet splash" and the rest of that line only...?
[03:37] <tsarompy> yes take out quiet splash $vt_handoff
[03:37] <tsarompy> but
[03:38] <tsarompy> what does it say for initrd
[03:38] <Melissa_McC> tsarompy initrd /boot/initrd.img-4.10.0-26-generic
[03:38] <tsarompy> hmmmmmmmm
[03:39] <tsarompy> okay ctrl-x again to boot and pay attention to the text
[03:39] <tsarompy> tell me if it reports any errors
[03:39] <tsarompy> its putting you into recovery mode for a reason
[03:39] <tsarompy> but your kernel/initrd seem to check out fine
[03:43] <Melissa_McC> tsarompy ok - seems to have stalled...(?)... ima: No TPM chip found, activating TPM-bypass! (rc-19)...Magic Number:9:655:664 .....EDD information not available...Freeing unused kernel memory...
[03:43] <tsarompy> it stalled at freeing unused kernel memory?
[03:44] <tsarompy> maybe give it a bit longer?
[03:44] <Melissa_McC> tsarompy 0.753308] random: udevadm: uninitialized urandom read (16 bytes read).... (that line is 3 times...and its paused here...)
[03:45] <tsarompy> hm
[03:45] <tsarompy> do you have any older kernels?
[03:45] <tsarompy> do you just have 4.10.0-26?
[03:46] <Melissa_McC> tsarompy - nah - I got a whole page of kernels under "Advance options" in the GURB
[03:46] <tsarompy> lol
[03:47] <tsarompy> how old are we talkin here
[03:47] <tsarompy> i would suggest you try another kernel and see if that works
[03:47] <tsarompy> try the one that last worked
[03:47] <tsarompy> i dont exactly know your situation here
[03:47] <Bashing-om> tsarompy: Melissa_McC Rule out a hardware issue by booting a live environment ??
[03:48] <Melissa_McC> tsarompy  Ive had this one for a cpl yrs...the lastest one was the one that worked last... I was using it just fine on Tuesday...shut it down to travel for work...then tried to start it Friday
[03:49] <tsarompy> hmmm
[03:50] <Melissa_McC> tsarompy  OK - I killed it....and the kernels go back to 3.16.0-77-generic
[03:50] <tsarompy> whoa
[03:50] <tsarompy> i would try an older kernel, and if that doesnt work id try what Bashing-om said
[03:50] <tsarompy> i think 3.16 is the oldest that can do systemd anyways
[03:52] <Melissa_McC> tsarompy - OK I just edited 3.16..and ctl-x'ed it!  Lets see what happens
[03:53] <tsarompy> k
[03:53] <Melissa_McC> tsarompy "Buffer IO error on device....sdc...."    A start job is running for dev-disk....
[03:53] <Melissa_McC> tsarompy "You are in emergency mode"
[03:53] <tsarompy> ruh roh
[03:54] <tsarompy> have you had any hardware problems before
[03:54] <Melissa_McC> tsarompy - does that mean my disk has troubles?
[03:54] <tsarompy> or noticed any weird sounds
[03:54] <Melissa_McC> tsarompy - no!
[03:54] <tsarompy> hm
[03:59] <tsarompy> i dunno
[03:59] <tsarompy> im thinkin Melissa_McC
[04:01] <Melissa_McC> tsarompy  sure...but I've had this problem many times...its always the Nvidia driver... its always tricky and a mega pain... but usualy someone figures out how to sudo-apt-get install the latest version - and I'm up going again
[04:01] <tsarompy> there must be another way tho
[04:03] <Bashing-om> Melissa_McC: tsarompy :: a 3rd (sdc) drive on a mobile ? Maybe time now to boot a liveDVD and have a looksee ??
[04:03] <tsarompy> well i said if it didnt work to try your suggestion
[04:04] <tsarompy> but obviously we know their computer works
[04:05] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om OK - I have the thumbdrive here somewhere....
[04:05] <tsarompy> Bashing-om i gotta go to bed will you help them
[04:05] <tsarompy> im about out of ideas
[04:05] <Bashing-om> tsarompy: Been messing with this for hours ., and have yet to get to other than a root terminal . An here not able to enable networking .
[04:06] <tsarompy> wut
[04:06] <Bashing-om> tsarompy: But for sure I am still on the case :)
[04:06] <tsarompy> um
[04:06] <tsarompy> shouldnt you be able to get networking from rescue shell
[04:07] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om and tsarompy - its past midnight here...so we may need to put a pin in it...and I cant find my live thumbdrive....
[04:09] <Bashing-om> tsarompy: from any shell I would expect ' systemctl enable NetworkManager.service ; systemctl start NetworkManager.service ' to activate networking . No ?
[04:09] <Bashing-om> Melissa_McC: We work at your pace . I will be on tomorrow .
[04:11] <tsarompy> i mean
[04:11] <tsarompy> surely ifconfig+dhclient
[04:11] <tsarompy> or wpa_supplicant
[04:14] <Melissa_McC> tsarompy and Bashing-om - Ok I tried the liveThumbDrive...and the picture just went garbled (like words printed on top of each other - but not real letters)....
[04:15] <Melissa_McC> ...so I'm pretty sure I need to plug the monitor into the motherboard output (instead of the Nvidia one)... and I can mess with that better in the am....
[04:17] <Bashing-om> Melissa_McC: Uh Huh . If that is the same USB that in the past has booted fine . then yeah we have hardware issues . check the cable ?
[04:17] <sary> Wow! So your CPU has a built in GPU ...
[04:18] <Melissa_McC> sary - don't think so ...its a HP2010i
[04:20] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om - its connected to the Nvidia card via a VGA dongle....but I've noticed before when these problems happen, if I plug a second monitor into the VGA port on the motherboard, sometimes that monitor shows its working on something - even when the Nvidia picture looks stuck
[04:23] <Melissa_McC> Anyone know if this chatlog is archived anywhere?
[04:24] <Ben64> !logs | Melissa_McC
[04:36] <Melissa_McC> Ben64 - Thanx - I found a month ago when I had similar problems....
[04:37] <Melissa_McC> Bashing-om Apparently it was genii who helped me last month ...anyone know when s/he might be on again?
[04:39] <Bashing-om> Neotrans: Not right off hand but  genii is on regular .
[04:40] <Bashing-om> Melissa_McC: Not right off hand but  genii is on regular . Neotrans Sorry fir that bad hilight .
[05:17] <Space-Duck> Can anyone help me solve my dependency issue? I'm trying to install php curl, but get...
[05:17] <Space-Duck> The following packages have unmet dependencies: php7.0-curl : Depends: php7.0-common (= 7.0.4-7ubuntu2) but 7.0.15-0ubuntu0.16.04.4 is to be installed
[05:19] <YankDownUnder> Space-Duck, From the terminal?
[05:20] <Space-Duck> yea
[05:20] <YankDownUnder> What's the package name?
[05:20] <Space-Duck> apt-get install php7.0-curl
[05:21] <YankDownUnder> So try: sudo apt-get -y install php7.0-curl ---> see if that resolves all the unmet's for ya
[05:21] <Space-Duck> same result
[05:21] <YankDownUnder> If anything, you can also use "Synaptic" - the better GUI package manager...hmm...
[05:21] <YankDownUnder> Space-Duck, Then I'd try "Synaptic" - it'll take care of the headaches for ya.
[05:22] <YankDownUnder> Space-Duck, sudo apt-get install -y synaptic
[05:23] <Space-Duck> synaptic throws the same error
[05:24] <YankDownUnder> Space-Duck, Try this: sudo apt-get install -f && sudo apt -y autoclean [05:29] <Space-Duck> same thing
[05:29] <Space-Duck> :(
[05:30] <HaRoCafe> already doing sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrde ?
[05:30] <Space-Duck> I wrote a API and now I can't get curl installed to test it
[05:30] <Space-Duck> yes, I just ran it again to be sure. its all uptodate
[05:31] <YankDownUnder> Space-Duck, Er....far out...right...well, ask again...I'm not anything even close to doing apache or php or any of that lovely stuff...you can also try in the #ubuntu-server channel...hmm?
[05:32] <Space-Duck> Can I use synaptic to reinstall php7.0-common? OR will that hose my lamp
[05:35] <YankDownUnder> Space-Duck, In the past, I've done re-installs quite nicely with synaptic...and it's always keen on dependencies...IMHO...and experience...but again, I've not done must with web based stuff...just network servers/file servers/print servers, bro.
[05:39] <Daftpunk> Can anyone tell me what is the update schedule for the 04 version and for how long?
[05:43] <YankDownUnder> Daftpunk, O4 of?
[05:50] <EriC^^> Daftpunk: it's til 2019 april
[05:51] <EriC^^> you mean the point releases schedule? 14.04.4 14.04.5?
[05:53] <DanteEdward> Is there a thing I could install on Ubuntu that would enable me to put a panel on each monitor and have them only list the windows on on their respective monitors?
[05:53] <DanteEdward> Rather than listing ALL of the windows on just the main monitor
[05:56] <EriC^^> DanteEdward: you can choose to put a launcher on every display, it'll show the ones for that window and the others will be there as a small arrow or something
[05:56] <YankDownUnder> DanteEdward, Depends on the "Desktop Environment" or WindowManager you're using. I'm using Gnome 3.2+ and also XFce - so I have that functionality.
[05:56] <EriC^^> (it's in settings > display)
[05:56] <DanteEdward>  I'm in Cinnamon
[05:58] <DanteEdward> Ohshi
[05:59] <DanteEdward> it works like that out of the box :D :D :D
[05:59] <DanteEdward> I assumed it wouldn't because Mint didn't
[06:16] <someone_> Hi
[06:19] <someone_> Is it better to upgrade from 16.04 to 17.04 or wait for 18.04?
[06:20] <Flannel> someone_: If you're happy with 16.04, stick with it until 18.04
[06:23]  * YankDownUnder is patiently chilling out till 18.04 - smiling the whole time
[06:26] <someone_> Flannel I'm using KUbuntu and I want try last version of KDE and other software but I don't want upgrade if this may make a problem to my files or other installed programs.
[06:27] <Flannel> someone_: It shouldn't cause problems, any more than "lets switch program versions" normally causes upgrade headaches because the newer versions behave differently.
[06:36] <someone_>  Thanks
[06:49] <arun007> Hi all
[06:53] <RJ45> HEY!
[06:53] <RJ45> I WANT SOMETHING LIKE THIS  https://d2lwstdywzrz5c.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/remmina.png
[06:54] <RJ45> BUT FOR SSH CONNECTIONS
[06:54] <RJ45> I HAD SOMETHING LIKE THIS ONCE, but then forgot about it
[06:54] <RJ45> now I can't find it
[06:54] <arun007> RJ45, Can you explain further?
[06:55] <RJ45> ..Remmina has an option for SSH
[06:55] <RJ45> but I'd liek a seperate client
[06:55] <RJ45> arun007: I can't, I am retarded
[07:01] <sebsebseb> 1 2 3
[07:01] <RJ45> a b c
[07:02] <sebsebseb> RJ45:  d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r  s t u v w x y z
[07:02] <RJ45> f u c k y o u
[07:02] <RJ45> :^)
[07:02] <sebsebseb> RJ45: uh langugage, plus we are off topic :d
[07:02] <RJ45> bonjour
[07:03] <sebsebseb> hej
[07:04] <RJ45> the is a song called 'HEJ KANIN', what does it mean?, sebsebseb?
[07:04] <RJ45> there*
[07:04] <sebsebseb> hi rabbit if Swedish I guess  or somethng
[07:05] <RJ45> hm, weird, the song;  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJrtSaChRNU
[07:05] <RJ45> (don't worry ops, I'll stop being off-topic now)
[07:08] <sebsebseb> RJ45: its got a rabbit even on the image for that, and thanks for that, I hear Swedish in that as well :d
[07:08] <RJ45> :D
[07:08] <RJ45> I don't understand a lick of swedish, so this song is sausage to me :P
[07:08] <sebsebseb> RJ45: it meant to be funny :d
[07:08] <sebsebseb> i think
[07:11] <RJ45> sebsebseb: there's another swedish song I know called 'Det är bögarnas fel', this means?
[07:12] <sebsebseb> RJ45: a video came up for that from yours,  on it now. and uh that's uh
[07:12] <RJ45> lo
[07:12] <RJ45> l
[07:13] <RJ45> I really have no idea what it means, is it rude?, some of the comments in the comments section look questionable
[07:14] <oerheks_> you won't find that answer here
[07:14] <RJ45> k, if anyone has an answer, PM me, 'cos I'd like to know
[07:15] <sebsebseb> RJ45: no probably not,  I wasn't sure of the main words meaning, but do a google and get something  about a castle maybe.  My Mum would probably know h eh, but she's not here
[07:16] <oerheks_> join the yellow pages, if you care ( that rhymes)
[08:29] <alexas> how can i set up that i always will have english as default language in password prompt at login screen?
[09:03] <jophish> Hi all
[09:03] <jophish> I'm trying to recompile my kernel with CONFIG_SWP_EMULATION, CP15_BARRIER_EMULATION, SETEND_EMULATION and CONFIG_COMPAT
[09:04] <jophish> however when I run fakeroot debian/rules debian control I get this error:
[09:04] <jophish> first argument to 'word' function must be greater than 0
[09:05] <jophish> Sorry: the complete error is: debian/rules.d/0-common-vars.mk:12: *** first argument to 'word' function must be greater than 0.  Stop.
[09:12] <detly> I'm on Ubuntu Zesty, using Gnome, and I'd like to know if there's a way to either set up a second connection profile for an already "known" wifi network, or to have a single user have a modified version of a system wide connection profile
[09:13] <DanteEdward> Is there a way to set up different screensavers for different monitors with a multi-monitor system?
[09:14] <detly> ie. user1 connects to "wifi-network-1" with certain dns/ip settings, at some other time user2 can connect to the same wifi network with different settings
[09:14] <DanteEdward> It's a little weird having three different games of pong running on three different screens.
[09:28] <alexas> what about my question anyone?
[09:35] <spearthistle> hi, after a fresh install of 14.04, I can see internet router, but selecting it in UI gives "insufficent privileges"?
[09:37] <m4dh4tt4> does your user have sudo?
[09:37] <dconroy> were you connected during the install
[09:38] <dconroy> maybe network manager is messed up
[09:38] <dconroy> try sudo service network-manager restart
[09:38] <spearthistle> yes, user has sudo.  yes, I was connected during install, but it was a custom chrubuntu script for a chromebook.
[09:39] <dconroy> could it be a package failed during the setup
[09:40] <dconroy> i dunno if a custom chrubuntu script counts as a fresh 14.04 install!
[09:40] <spearthistle> dconroy: executed the restart.  when back to the login screen.  selected the wifi access point.  same error.
[09:41] <spearthistle> dconroy: true, technically not vanilla or legit.  but i did install everything a year ago without a hitch, so something has changed.
[09:45] <dconroy> i know it sounds nuclear, but if it really is a fresh install and you are struck
[09:45] <dconroy> id just run it again
[09:48] <awnerd> fuq freenode
[09:48] <awnerd> what an impressively stupid collection of people
[09:48] <awnerd> surprisingly mean, too
[09:49] <awnerd> fuq freenode
[09:49] <awnerd> what an impressively stupid collection of people
[09:49] <awnerd> surprisingly mean, too
[09:49] <awnerd> fuq freenode
[09:50] <spearthistle> doncroy: i'm concerned that running the script again (which takes ages and uses a lot a data) might have me back at square one :)
[09:54] <dconroy> ok, i understand
[09:54] <dconroy> then might be worth trying to figure out where exactly your network is getting blocke
[09:54] <dconroy> d
[09:55] <dconroy> can you ping, do you have dns etc
[09:56] <spearthistle> doncroy: it can see the available networks, but cannot connect because of "insufficient privileges".
[09:59] <dconroy> i know you said you had sudo, but can you log in as root still?
[09:59] <dconroy> if so have you tried to connect when logged in there
[10:00] <dconroy> what desktop are you running
[10:02] <campitor> hi everyone
[10:02] <campitor> does apt-get upgarde/dist-upgrade make some kind of log?
[10:03] <campitor> Cause I can't find it
[10:03] <spearthistle> doncroy: i have a console terminal logged in as root.  desktop is 14.04 unity.  i cannot login to the desktop for some unknown reason, so was hoping to connect, so that I could run a software update.  i'm looking into connect via the terminal, but my passphrase is WPA, so might have to use wpa_supplicant (but that's coming back with errors also).
[10:10] <dconroy> what if you tried to install gnome via console
[10:10] <dconroy> researching your problem that seemed to solve it for some people
[10:12] <campitor> i found this: gedit /var/log/apt/history.log but it is not as they say "verbose enough"...
[10:12] <campitor> I need more detail
[10:12] <campitor> like if each stepped went through smoothly
[10:13] <dconroy> how about var/log/apt/term.log
[10:13] <dconroy> or /var/log/dpkg.log
[10:15] <campitor> thanks dconroy, var/log/apt/term.log is almost all i needed
[10:15] <campitor> <
[10:15] <campitor> <3
[10:16] <dconroy> glad to help , cheers
[10:16] <IhrFussel> Is a benchmark a good way to check if the GPU is damaged?
[10:18] <campitor> IhrFussel : GPU structure is very complicated, there is actually almost no way for you to test the gpu from inside a running operating system, but it can give you a very good estimate. It is because if some transistors are 'weak' or 'gone' in a sense, you can not detect it
[10:18] <dconroy> what makes you think it may be damaged
[10:19] <campitor> IhrFussel : what happened, by the way?
[10:19] <IhrFussel> Yesterday while downloading something my entire PC locked up and the screen was corrupted (imagine the first 20 or 30px of the screen size repeating all over trhe display)
[10:20] <campitor> IhrFussel : and now the display is fine?
[10:20] <dconroy> if it was a one time thing i wouldnt worry about it
[10:21] <IhrFussel> The PC ran fine since but I'm worried kinda
[10:21] <IhrFussel> Also there is a red lamp inside my tower and it's on permananently...not sure what it means
[10:22] <dconroy> as long as you havent been doing anything crazy like mining/overclocking you are fine
[10:22] <dconroy> windows users have to deal with similar crashes every day
[10:22] <campitor> Well you should be worried, I would personally want to know EXACTLY, what caused this. You could have been hacked, maybe the firmware malfunctioned, there are many possibilities.
[10:23] <IhrFussel> Nah it was during the download of Xubuntu 16.04 64-bit...only Firefox was open
[10:23] <Guest43630> does any body has link to how i give cookies to uget downloader software?
[10:23] <campitor> IhrFussel : Are you using any firewalls on this system? (iptables settings), have you done any hardened this system? Any hardware firewalls?
[10:24] <IhrFussel> The router has its own firewall ... so you think an ethernet connection can cause such lockups?
[10:24] <dconroy> this is crazy
[10:24] <dconroy> sometimes video cards crash
[10:24] <dconroy> driver support on ubuntu isnt always perfect
[10:25] <dconroy> if a single crash is the only symptom you have very little to worry about
[10:25] <IhrFussel> But can video cards crash EVERYTHING? (even the keyboard didn't react anymore)
[10:25] <dconroy> yes
[10:26] <IhrFussel> Well there is one more weird symptom which is likely more a setting than a HW problem: If I shutdown my PC via the button it shuts off but turns on for 5 secs again after waiting 3 secs
[10:26] <campitor> IhrFussel : not the ethernet connection itself, no it can not. But if you have got some one who wants to give you some pain, they could easily be messing with your internet connection, like that Verizon hack which happened to many people. Always make sure you are connected to where you intend to, and have strong procedures in place to make sure that you are exactly downloading what you intend to. specially triple check sensitive d
[10:28] <IhrFussel> campitor, AFAIK it's very hard to hack Ubuntu especially when sitting behind a router with a firewall
[10:29] <campitor> IhrFussel : LOL. That is laughable even in script kiddies' communities.
[10:29] <campitor> IhrFussel : Nothing is 'very hard' to hack, AT ALL.
[10:30] <IhrFussel> Pretty much nobody has interest in hacking a PC with Ubuntu unless it's some kind of DB server
[10:30] <alexas> is there any way I can setup my language at login screen to always be in English, as when I use the bilingua keyboard layout i usually type the pass and it's wrong because wrong language has been set
[10:31] <blackflow> campitor: actually it is. it depends on your definition of "hard" of course, and "hack"
[10:33] <campitor> I mean, you could be confident in your tiny PC, home router security, and say that no one can hack me, but that is if you don't have the time to care about these things, or have enough money to replace your PC after it gets blown up, or doesn't turn on anymore. But It might be a bit beneficial to be a bit paranoid.
[10:33] <campitor> blackflow : why ?
[10:34] <blackflow> campitor: because properly secured systems are "hard" to hack. some can be secured so you can't hack them remotely at all.
[10:34] <campitor> alexas : I am pretty sure you can find the answer t your question using Google
[10:34] <blackflow> depends on definition of "hack"
[10:34] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:35] <blackflow> campitor: if your definition is "deface a wordpress site", I can show you ways where nobody can deface it remotely, despite of worpdress being a vulnerability fest
[10:35] <alexas> capiutor: can you maybe formulate the question so that I can find it, I was tryed with no successs
[10:35] <alexas> success
[10:36] <alexas> sucess rather, sorry
[10:36] <campitor> blackflow : Well, again we are talking about a lot of scenarios here, from hardware vulnerabilities, to simply giving you a file to open, or even get you to run a simple executable even from a highly trusted company or website.
[10:37] <blackflow> campitor: yes, so your "nothing" is very hard to hack, is simply false.
[10:37] <blackflow> properly secured systems are very hard to hack.
[10:37] <blackflow> even with physical access.
[10:37] <campitor> blackflow : The point is, in my opinion, the moment you think you can't get hacked, that is exactly the moment you fail your first peneration test.
[10:37] <blackflow> campitor: sure, but there's a world of difference between that and "nothing is very hard to hack"
[10:38] <campitor> blackflow : I mean I have spent pretty much close to hundred hours to secure my home network, with pfsense and such. But I still am paranoid that all my systems are already owned, and I am sure a coupld of them already are.
[10:38] <blackflow> campitor: sure, if you rely on pfsense alone
[10:39] <campitor> blackflow : In my opinion, if you become a target, even behind the world's most advanced firewalls and secure setups, it takes a couple of days to own you.
[10:40] <blackflow> campitor: you seem to think that firewalls are the only defense. you never mentioned a word of advanced mandatory access control layers, isolation and virtualisation
[10:40] <campitor> well yes those as well.
[10:41] <blackflow> campitor: like I said, I can show you ways to protect a system that's nearly invulnerable to remote attacks.
[10:41] <BluesKaj> oh lord the paranoia strikes deep, but let's get back ontopic here
[10:41] <campitor> blackflow : can you please teach me then. I really want to learn more on that subject
[10:41] <campitor> blackflow : I mean how to make it pretty damn hard
[10:41] <BluesKaj> campitor,  not here
[10:42] <campitor> ok
[10:42] <blackflow> yah, irc is not the place, and no I don't give instructions. google is your friend
[10:42] <campitor> blackflow : can i pm you?
[10:42] <blackflow> campitor: mandatory access control, isolation, virtualisation, defense in depth, security onion, principle of least privilege, ... some keywords to get you started on the subject
[10:42] <blackflow> campitor: no
[10:43] <campitor> ok, I have googled almost all of them, and implemented many of them as tightly as possible, but still....
[10:43] <campitor> anyhows thanks
[10:43] <blackflow> my advice, learn selinux
[10:43] <blackflow> very powerful tool. not absolute of course, but very powerful when used correctly.
[10:45] <MrCrackPotBuilde> Hi i have a hp phablet running windows 10
[10:45] <MrCrackPotBuilde> can i format it install ubuntu 16.04 then add the repository for phablet tools
[10:46] <campitor> never had a phablet, or tablet for that matter. or else I would have helped you
[10:48] <MrCrackPotBuilde> neither have i
[10:48] <MrCrackPotBuilde> im a little confused myself campitor all the tutroials i get are all android based
[10:49] <BluesKaj> MrCrackPotBuilde  phablet tools is not a repos, it's a package you can install
[10:49] <MrCrackPotBuilde> and the ubuntu wiki speaks about phones and tablets which this is not
[10:49] <MrCrackPotBuilde> BluesKaj are you sure because i just now tried to install it and it told me can not find
[10:50] <MrCrackPotBuilde> after searching the ubuntu wiki seems it has its own ppa
[10:50] <BluesKaj> on ubuntu and it's flavours
[10:50] <MrCrackPotBuilde> argh now im even more confused
[10:51] <BluesKaj> odd, because I have it in my package manager
[10:51] <MrCrackPotBuilde> hahah you know what im just going to install ubuntu 16.04 and then have a blast
[10:51] <MrCrackPotBuilde> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:phablet-team/tools
[10:51] <MrCrackPotBuilde> thats from the ubuntu wiki
[10:51] <BluesKaj> ! phablet tools
[10:52] <BluesKaj> !info  phablet tools
[10:52] <BluesKaj> !info  phablet-tools
[10:53] <BluesKaj> MrCrackPotBuilde,  ^
[10:53] <MrCrackPotBuilde> yer thats weird
[10:53] <MrCrackPotBuilde> i wonder why it doesnt show up on mine
[10:53] <glitsj16> MrCrackPotBuilde: did you enable 'universe'? it wouldn't show up if you haven't..
[10:53] <MrCrackPotBuilde> i might just have a blast see what happens i mean whats the worst that could happen
[10:54] <MrCrackPotBuilde> no im using trusty which could explain it
[10:54] <BluesKaj> MrCrackPotBuilde,  which ubuntu version?
[10:54] <MrCrackPotBuilde> 16.04
[10:55] <glitsj16> MrCrackPotBuilde: ubuntu has several repos: main, universe, multiverse, restricted etc.
[10:55] <BluesKaj> well 16.04 is a bit conservative , being a LTS
[10:55] <glitsj16> MrCrackPotBuilde: check your software sources
[10:56] <MrCrackPotBuilde> what would you guys suggest try to dual boot or first try to get it running on a vm on the hp
[10:58] <glitsj16> MrCrackPotBuilde: booting a live Ubuntu CD/USB is always one of the best ways to check hardware support, try before you 'buy'..
[11:00] <MrCrackPotBuilde> ok BluesKaj and glitsj16 thanks for the advice going to go play around for a bit
[11:03] <BluesKaj> MrCrackPotBuilde,  live media wirh a bootable inage will give you an idea whether ubunru will run properly as glitsj16 suggesests
[11:04] <MrCrackPotBuilde> persistence would be nice too so need to find a 16GB usb
[11:05] <IhrFussel> Reagrding Live Usb stick: The utility in Xubuntu settings CORRUPTED my Xubuntu installation, so I don't recommend to use it...unetbootin created the Live OS correctly
[11:05] <IhrFussel> Regarding*
[11:06] <IhrFussel> Not sure if it's the same tool in Ubuntu but IMO it's really not suited for USB sticks
[11:06] <MrCrackPotBuilde> IhrFussel you just had to go and rain on my parade hahaha
[11:07] <BluesKaj> IhrFussel,  which utility?
[11:07] <MrCrackPotBuilde> this is why im a little cautious about trying it
[11:07] <MrCrackPotBuilde> id prefer to test in the safest way possible
[11:07] <MrCrackPotBuilde> my boss will kill me if i bugger it up
[11:08] <BluesKaj> MrCrackPotBuilde,  om windows , rufus should create a bootable image on a usb
[11:08] <MrCrackPotBuilde> but this phablet is crap and after the new windows 10 update it just gets blue screen of death every 2 hours
[11:08] <IhrFussel> BluesKaj, in Xubuntu 14.04 there was a tool called "Startmedienersteller" (german not sure what the English name is)
[11:08] <MrCrackPotBuilde> creating the bootable image is not a problem rufus unetbootin heck ive even used window 7 usb tool
[11:09] <IhrFussel> And it was part of the settings...it seems to be gone in 16.04 though
[11:09] <BluesKaj> IhrFussel,  disk creeator
[11:10] <IhrFussel> Yes it told me everything completed fine then I restart choose boot from USB and my BIOS tells me "No bootable blah found"
[11:11] <glitsj16> IhrFussel: that can happen, doesn't explain how it 'corrupted your Xubuntu installation though', rather odd if it didn't work
[11:11] <IhrFussel> It complained about some "gfx" file and prompted me to type a boot path I'm guessing It said Boot: [cursor]
[11:13] <IhrFussel> glitsj16, I mean the Xubuntu installation on the stick, not on HDD (just to make sure)
[11:14] <glitsj16> IhrFussel: oooww, I read your remark differently, ignore :)
[11:16] <IhrFussel> MrCrackPotBuilde, unetbootin NEVER failed me yet, so I highly recommend that tool
[11:17] <MrCrackPotBuilde> Problem im facing is my boss is not a techy and the comp upstairs is nackered 2gb ram and always crashing i have only 1 hr to close the cinema and fix it
[11:17] <MrCrackPotBuilde> so i cant simply play and i cant risk buggering the wndows instalalation
[11:18] <BluesKaj> IhrFussel,  well, my experience with unetbootin is  less positive, it fails over 50% of the tries
[11:18] <MrCrackPotBuilde> ive had it before where a live usb has bodged a os on the main hdd
[11:18] <MrCrackPotBuilde> BluesKaj ive noticed it must be formatted properly
[11:18] <BluesKaj> of course
[11:18] <IhrFussel> BluesKaj, well I have to say I only used it with Ubuntu/Xubuntu ... maybe you tried exotic distros?
[11:18] <MrCrackPotBuilde> i know unetbootin normally / 50/50 formats for you
[11:19] <BluesKaj> IhrFussel,  nope, kubuntu
[11:19] <MrCrackPotBuilde> but its never good enough
[11:20] <BluesKaj> any i use dd now, it works well
[11:20] <BluesKaj> anyhow
[11:25] <IhrFussel> dd is more complicated but works 100% since it simply copies the image bit-by-bit I think
[11:26] <IhrFussel> But dd doesn't add a bootloader correct?
[11:26] <MrCrackPotBuilde> no it adds
[11:26] <MrCrackPotBuilde> my problem with dd is when you want to use the usb for something else after
[11:26] <MrCrackPotBuilde> can be a little tricky
[11:27] <MrCrackPotBuilde> ive had problems where i format but loose the space that the os was installed too
[11:27] <MrCrackPotBuilde> so 8Gb becomes 6Gb
[11:31] <BluesKaj> MrCrackPotBuilde,  jusr delete the partition then format
[11:32] <MrCrackPotBuilde> normal i have to recreate the mbf or (i forget the second haha) then rebuild
[11:36] <BluesKaj> IhrFussel,  the live image has grub.cfg included in the boot folder
[11:41] <IhrFussel> BluesKaj, Ah I see...I was wondering cause the other tools always have a "Creating bootloader..." phase
[11:42] <BluesKaj> IhrFussel,  that's when installinf from the image to a hdd/ssd on the pc tho
[11:42] <swensson> After I updated my ubuntu laptop is no longer booting 100%, it's stuck at displaying the ubuntu logo -.-
[11:43] <BluesKaj> installed=installing
[11:43] <EriC^^> swensson: try pressing escape see what it says
[11:43] <MrCrackPotBuilde> damn Eric^^ beat me to it
[11:43] <ioria> swensson, or try a previous kernel ...
[11:44] <swensson> EriC^^, I've tried chaning to terminal without progress. Whould escape be any better? :O
[11:44] <IhrFussel> BluesKaj, No actually even Unetbootin says that when creating a Live USB
[11:44] <swensson> changing*
[11:44] <EriC^^> swensson: yes, also press e in grub over ubuntu, go to the line with linux /vmlinuz and remove quiet splash from the end and press f10
[11:45] <EriC^^> also what ioria said, then troubleshoot previous boots
[11:45] <ioria> swensson, esc should give you a text-boot, so you can see where it stops (sorta)
[11:47] <BluesKaj> IhrFussel,  it's adding the bootloader config file , not the actual bootloader to the uefi/mbr
[11:47] <EriC^^> yeah a behind the scenes (plymouth) kind of thing
[11:48] <IhrFussel> BluesKaj, so the config file is not necessary since it's not part of the iso I'm guessing?
[11:48] <BluesKaj> it is part of the iso
[11:49] <BluesKaj> it has to be
[11:53] <BluesKaj> IhrFussel,  the live media relies on the uefi/bios boot setting to boot into the OS on the usb/dvd/cd, not grub
[11:55] <MrCrackPotBuilde> not all use uefi though that you need to check first too
[12:07] <dw1> on 16.04 when trying to use the gpio-it87 module i get an error "Unknown Chip found, Chip 8628 Revision 2"
[12:07] <dw1> does anyone know how to map this to 8620 or something? :]
[12:08] <dw1> motherboard is z170x-ud3
[12:08] <dw1> i want to control the LEDs with https://github.com/xdarklight/gigabyte_ambientled_ctrl/
[12:12] <Laceylaney> Thinking of buying a dell laptop. Specifically this one... http://www.cheaplaptopcompany.co.uk/refurbished-dell-e6230-16gb-win10?gclid=Cj0KEQjwnazLBRDxrdGMx-Km4oQBEiQAQJ1q6zajo0OOtlCVjuT0Vkbq1Kqz16YzYtH2mqQj8k-Sj8AaAgS08P8HAQ ...Does anyone know if it will run ubuntu well or at least without two many problems ??
[12:13] <dw1> ubuntu supports a lot so it will likely run ok
[12:14] <Laceylaney> dw1: thanks :) Will most likely get the laptop because the specs are amazing...
[12:14] <swensson> Escape did nothing :/
[12:21] <BluesKaj> labrador,  it should be fine as long as it doesn't use hybrid graphics
[12:23] <glitsj16> breeding a novel type of dog BluesKaj? :)
[12:23] <swensson> I updated/Upgraded the system... I noticed that I got libvirt as a option when prompt for login for like 2sec.... then it stuck again
[12:25] <EriC^^> swensson: try a different kernel
[12:25] <BluesKaj> glitsj16,  guess he left ..crap happens
[12:25] <glitsj16> swensson: have you looked at your logs?
[12:25] <glitsj16> BluesKaj: haha, it sure does
[12:25] <swensson> How would I change kernel? :O
[12:26] <swensson> No i've not checked the logs tbh :$
[12:26] <swensson> Gonna purge libvirt and try again, just gonna try to find the correct name of the package xD
[12:27] <EriC^^> swensson: do you get grub right now?
[12:28] <swensson> ?... I get stuck after the login screen, it displays the login for like 2sec and after that only the ubuntu logo.... :O It almost boot 100% but not into the system ... But I Noticed the libvirt on the loginscreen and I think that is making it hang
[12:29] <EriC^^> swensson: does the guest account work?
[12:30] <swensson> I can't login since the login screep only displays for like 2sec.... I managed to gain terminal access tho, by ctrl alt f2
[12:33] <swensson> It's the login prompt that is bugging out... Why should I get libvirt qemu at login xD
[12:41] <swensson> How do I remove qemu from the loginscreen :O
[12:48] <glitsj16> swensson: looks like you hit a bug --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/1667113
[12:48] <swensson> ah-.-
[12:50] <glitsj16> swensson: more info here as well --> https://askubuntu.com/questions/889995/libvirt-qemu-password
[12:51] <swensson> Thanks glitsj16 =)
[12:51] <glitsj16> no problem, do the suggested workaround and you can try another boot
[12:59] <swensson> Yeah, the suggested workaround worked! :D Thanks a lot glitsj16 :P
[13:00] <glitsj16> nice, enjoy the recovered ubuntu :)
[13:13] <dw1> anyone know how to grab a newer gpio-it87 module for 16.04 so my 8628 chip is supported?
[13:17] <Sbur> After having googled, I have this question ... what is this? Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0e8f:2517 GreenAsia Inc.
[13:31] <Dro> hello, I'm trying to move files to other partition using mv file /media/PART_FOLDER , but when I found that the files are not really moved, but I found it under /media/my_username/file
[13:31] <Dro> any idea why this is happening?
[13:35] <jophish> Hi all
[13:35] <PipeItToDevNull> Dro, what is the full command you are using
[13:35] <PipeItToDevNull> jophish, hello
[13:36] <Dro> PipeItToDevNull, thats the full command and PART_FOLDER is a code like this 1LSQF3EFFS (the partition name)
[13:36] <Dro> but I found out that any file i move there it get moved to /media/my_username/PART_NAME
[13:36] <PipeItToDevNull> Dro, then you are not telling it where to put the files, it shouldnt work at all
[13:37] <jophish> I've got a system which is running with a custom kernel. It doesn't boot with the kernel in the repositories. I'd like to change some of the config options. What's the best way of recompiling my current kernel (exact same version and options (aside from the one I want to change))?
[13:37] <Dro> PipeItToDevNull, I have to create a folder inside?
[13:37] <PipeItToDevNull> Dro, your command cannot function as you need a destination `mv /media/X` is not a command
[13:38] <PipeItToDevNull> jophish, let me get you a link. I just made my first kernel the other day
[13:38] <Dro> PipeItToDevNull, no the command i use is "mv file /media/X'
[13:38] <Dro> so i'm trying to move a file to /media/X
[13:39] <Dro> but it move it to /media/ubuntu_username/X
[13:39] <jophish> PipeItToDevNull: I can compile a random kernel without too much trouble, however it's important that this one I'm compiling has the same config and version
[13:39] <jophish> IT might be the case that the running kernel has some custom source :(
[13:39] <PipeItToDevNull> jophish, yep the command is `make oldconfig` I think to import your old config
[13:41] <PipeItToDevNull> Dro, the destination exists where you are trying to send the file? If you cd into the destination then move the file to "./" what heppens?
[13:41] <PipeItToDevNull> happens
[13:42] <PipeItToDevNull> jophish, if you are on the machine you can also do `make localyesconfig` to  load everything that the OS is currently using
[13:43] <jophish> PipeItToDevNull: I'll give it a try
[13:43] <jophish> thanks!
[13:43] <PipeItToDevNull> jophish, best of luck
[13:44] <PipeItToDevNull> jophish, https://superuser.com/questions/439511/how-to-save-or-export-a-custom-linux-kernel-configuration
[13:44] <PipeItToDevNull> That is about importing the config that is currently being used
[13:49] <jophish> thanks a lot :)
[14:15] <Melissa_McC> Hey - whats the easiest way to get 17.04 to boot to cmd line (without all the gui stuff loading)?
[14:15] <eelstrebor> i downloaded the ubuntu mainline kernel source code from what i thought was 4.12.2 but when i built the kernel it said it's 4.13.0-rc1
[14:18] <tomreyn> Melissa_McC: probably: sudo systemctl disable lightdm.service
[14:19] <Melissa_McC> tomreyn you mean put that in the boot sequence doc thingy?   (I was thinking more like "hold down shft+ctl_F1"...or some such key combo...?
[14:20] <Melissa_McC> tomreyn ...during boot up sequence...
[14:20] <tomreyn> Melissa_McC: so you're looking for a way not to run a graphical desktop once but not regularly?
[14:22] <Melissa_McC> tomreyn yeah... I'm having trouble with my graphics driver seizing up the booting process... so need to get to cmd line with network access...tried thru the GRUB ..and can get to root@...but for somereason cant' seem to get networking going from there
[14:22] <Melissa_McC> tomreyn an update recently crewed up my nvidia driver...and now it won't boot to desktop
[14:23] <tomreyn> Melissa_McC: did you try the option to enable networking on the emergency menu then?
[14:24] <Melissa_McC> tomreyn yes.  and also tried servicectl start networking (or whatever that was...)
[14:24] <EriC^^> Melissa_McC: did you add "systemd.unit=multi-user.target"  to the kernel line in grub?
[14:24] <Melissa_McC> EriC^^ No - didn't try that....
[14:25] <Melissa_McC> EriC^^  does that replace quiet splash in the Linux line?   (I tried nomodeset there at one point last night)
[14:25] <EriC^^> Melissa_McC: yeah
[14:26] <EriC^^> it tells it to boot to a console instead of starting the gui stuff
[14:26] <tomreyn> this should be an ubottu factoid
[14:26] <EriC^^> !text
[14:27] <Melissa_McC> EriC^^  OK - will give that a try a bit later today... gotta rush off to church now :)
[14:27] <tomreyn> EriC^^: "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" isnt listed on that page, though
[14:27] <Melissa_McC> EriC^^  OK - the ubottu just said to only add 'text' to the line...but you saud replace quiet splash.... which is it?
[14:28] <EriC^^> Melissa_McC: put systemd.unit... replacing is optional but it might help here to debug
[14:29] <Melissa_McC> EriC^^ thanks.  I'll be back on in a few hours...if you're around... cheers mate
[14:29] <EriC^^> np
[14:36] <IhrFussel> If my gameplay sometimes stops for a sec it doesn't indicate a faulty GPU right?
[14:37] <compdoc> likely a bottleneck
[14:40] <compdoc> cpu not fast enough, buses cant pass data fast enough, using shared interrupt, using an old verion of pci-e bus, or a slow vid card. or a combination of any of those
[14:42] <IhrFussel> It's most likely the GPU since it's just the on-board one ... the CPU is quite fast the games runs in 40-60 FPS
[15:20] <madsj> I put export PATH=${PATH}:/opt/pycharm/bin in my .profile and echo $PATH lists that path. How do I find it when trying to launch it?
[15:39] <SchrodingersScat> madsj: have you resourced your bash?  as in if you do that in a terminal and then try to use it, it would probably work in a new terminal
[15:46] <madsj> SchrodingersScat: I can start it from the terminal (without being in the folder), but it won't get locked to the launcher
[15:48] <madsj> I even rebooted in case Unity required a restart, but no luck.
[16:00] <comet23> what is the best way to put backdoors into the ubuntu codebase without alerting everyone?
[16:00] <m4dh4tt4> make sure youre starting as the same user
[16:01] <m4dh4tt4> @comet23 http mitm anything APT , target cant verify legitimacy of server = pwnt
[16:02] <m4dh4tt4> i think some repos can to https but they stil redirect to non, so theres some concern there for me anyway imo, im sure its already being worked on , given an upcoming talk possibly that will light a fire under everyones ass
[16:02] <m4dh4tt4> can switch*
[16:12] <azizLIGHT> why would my ethernet connection drop in ubuntu 16.04 inside a vmware workstation? host is windows and on wifi, but wifi didnt drop
[16:15] <sary> You don't check the logs as to why .. dmesg and syslog.
[16:17] <sary> azizLIGHT: while ethernet is connected run $ tail -f /var/log/syslog , open asecond terminal and run: $ tail -f /var/log/dmesg  the logs should tell you why!
[16:18] <gigafish> Or just open a new tab in the same session.
[16:19] <gigafish> (Of the terminal)
[16:19] <sary> right, you have that option too.
[16:24] <vimart> Hi
[16:27] <PipeItToDevNull> Hello
[16:55] <Daftpunk> Back to my support question. It looks like everyone who answered is gone.
[16:56] <Daftpunk> basically the support of each 04 version is 2 years if I understand correctly?
[16:56] <Tesla42> hi
[16:56] <Daftpunk> 17.04 until 2019_
[16:56] <Daftpunk> ?
[16:57] <Daftpunk> and .10 version is longer hence the LTS?
[16:59] <Tesla42> hi
[16:59] <Tesla42> I have reported some new bugs
[16:59] <Tesla42> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~stefan-helmert/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0
[17:00] <Daftpunk> YankDownUnder, hi when I was asking about the support I meant 04 of any version
[17:00] <Tesla42> does someone want to try/confirm some?
[17:00] <Daftpunk> YankDownUnder, lets say 15.04 or 16.04 is it still 2 years?
[17:00] <[n0mad]> 16.04 is lts
[17:01] <Daftpunk> [n0mad], got it mixed up then,
[17:01] <[n0mad]> previous LTS was 14.04
[17:01] <[n0mad]> next LTS should be 18.04
[17:02] <Daftpunk> [n0mad], how long time is it supported?
[17:02] <glitsj16> Daftpunk: have you seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases?
[17:02] <[n0mad]> 5 years
[17:02] <[n0mad]> for LTS
[17:03] <Daftpunk> glitsj16, no but I guess I will find my answer there
[17:03] <Daftpunk> thanks
[17:04] <glitsj16> Daftpunk: no trouble
[17:07] <Daftpunk> Hi, 16.04.2 LTS Xenial Xerus I cannot see any end of life. Does it mean it has not been announced yet?
[17:08] <Daftpunk> 16.10 Yakkety Yak being already EoL
[17:08] <DJones> Daftpunk: 16.04 is an LTS release,  so the EOL will be 5 years after release assuming its standard Ubuntu
[17:08] <Daftpunk> 17.04 Zesty Zapus EoL January 2018, those are very quick releases
[17:09] <Daftpunk> DJones, ok great, 5 years is great
[17:09] <DJones> Daftpunk: 14.04, 16.04 and 18.04 are all LTS releases with 5 years support, the releases inbetween only have 9 months support.
[17:09] <glitsj16> Daftpunk: those are LTS point releases, they inherit EOL from their parent so to speak
[17:11] <DJones> Daftpunk: with LTS releases, you'll get an option to upgrade after 2 years - normally when when the next point release is issued, do if you're on 16.04, that'll be when 18.04.1 is released a few months after 18.04 is released
[17:11] <Richard_Cavell> How much effort goes into these packages?  For the packages that I use it seems like the maintainer doesn't do very much.
[17:13] <cuddylier> I changed my grub boot parameters but they don't seem to actually be taking affect, this is what's in the /boot/grub/grub.cfg:
[17:13] <cuddylier>    /vmlinuz-4.4.0-83-generic root=UUID=553099e5-900c-4431-ab77-e1060b6558eb ro net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0  crashkernel=384M-:128M
[17:13] <cuddylier> But the 'crashkernel' part is getting ignored.
[17:13] <DJones> Daftpunk: But you won't stop getting support until 2021 for a 16.04 LTS even if you don't upgrade beforehand
[17:14] <Daftpunk> DJones, glitsj16 thanks for the answer guy
[17:14] <cuddylier> cat /proc/cmdline: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.4.0-83-generic root=UUID=553099e5-900c-4431-ab77-e1060b6558eb ro net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0
[17:14] <Daftpunk> gus
[17:14] <DJones> Daftpunk: This may help https://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life
[17:14] <Daftpunk> guys we will get there
[17:15] <glitsj16> cuddylier: you did a grub update after changing boot params?
[17:15] <cuddylier> Yep
[17:15] <cuddylier> And then they show in the /boot/grub/grub.cfg as expected.
[17:16] <DJones> Daftpunk: But be aware, if you use one of the Ubuntu flavours (Kubuntu, Lubuntu xubuntu etc), they may have a shorter life span
[17:16] <Daftpunk> DJones, I think going with the vanilla
[17:17] <DJones> Daftpunk: ok, that will change to Ubuntu Gnome in future because Unity is being dropped in favour of a standard Gnome release
[17:17] <glitsj16> cuddylier: do you have any other disk/partition that has a GRUB installed to it? I'm not familiar with the crashkernel one, it might ignore it if the format is incorrect
[17:18] <cuddylier> glitsj16: Nope, just installed on a boot partition that's on both drives, grub-install /dev/sda and grub-install /dev/sdb
[17:19] <glitsj16> cuddylier: wait, why are you installing to both /dev/sda *and* /dev/sdb? I guess that's your answer..
[17:19] <cuddylier> Incase one drive fails?
[17:20] <glitsj16> cuddylier: I understand your reasoning, but obviously GRUB doesn't :)
[17:21] <cuddylier> That's the way I've always done it for raid 1 but I've never messed with boot parameters before.
[17:22] <Daftpunk> DJones, I like Gnome so no problems there. I also heard something about Wayland
[17:23] <glitsj16> cuddylier: ask someone who has experience with RAID configurations, I haven't, so ignore what I said.. still it seems strange to have grub doubled that way..
[17:23] <cuddylier> The /boot partition is in a raid 1 device so I assumed that once grub on either boot spun up, it would then read the raid 1 /boot partition.
[17:23] <cuddylier> Or at least that's how I think it works.
[17:24] <cuddylier> No other partitions on the disk but the /boot and / raids.
[17:24] <cuddylier> So I assume no secret grub partition somewhere.
[17:27] <m4dh4tt4> cuddylier you have to edit /etc/default/grub.cfg or soemthing not the one in /boot, then update-grub or update-grub2(UEFI)
[17:28] <cuddylier> yeah, that's the one I edited first and did update-grub afterwards
[17:28] <m4dh4tt4> maybe an update-grub2 would help
[17:28] <cuddylier> The crash parameter seems to have disappeared though now hmm
[17:28] <m4dh4tt4> whats the issue no boot?
[17:28] <ioria> grub.cfg will be overwritten
[17:29] <cuddylier> It boots fine, issue is the crash parameter won't apply/be used.
[17:29] <cuddylier> I'm trying to get kdump working to diagnose ongoing kernel panicks.
[17:29] <m4dh4tt4>  /etc/default/grub.__? is the master that generates the /boot/grubwhatever after update-grub
[17:30] <m4dh4tt4> oh i dont know much about kernel panicks, what kind of raid card? intel?
[17:31] <cuddylier> No raid card
[17:32] <m4dh4tt4> so intel onboard raid? or software raid?
[17:32] <cuddylier> Software raid, sorry.
[17:32] <m4dh4tt4> cuz if its an intel onboard raid theres a package that makes life grand
[17:33] <m4dh4tt4> any recent changes? whats the last thing u remember before kernel panicks
[17:33] <cuddylier> Only thing done was 'apt install linux-image-extra-$(uname -r) linux-image-extra-virtual'
[17:33] <m4dh4tt4> also have u tried a live cd to see if panicks stil occur, if so it could pinpoint hardware issue
[17:33] <cuddylier> Apart from that, clean install of latest Ubuntu 16.04.
[17:33] <m4dh4tt4> maybe apt remove those and apt update grub
[17:33] <cuddylier> Kernel is: 4.4.0-83-generic #106-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jun 26 17:54:43 UTC 2017
[17:34] <m4dh4tt4> update-grub *(not apt sry)
[17:34] <cuddylier> As in to test if kernel panics still happen after?
[17:34] <m4dh4tt4> if u added that, and got panicks, remove it, see if panicks still exist (is the suggestion)
[17:35] <m4dh4tt4> read the apt-remove carefully though cuz sometimes it tries to pull out extra packages
[17:35] <m4dh4tt4> or if youre close to a fresh install i'd just boot into live and compare that as well see if it runs fine
[17:36] <sary> cuddylier: do you have the linux-crashdump package installed!
[17:36] <cuddylier> Yes
[17:36] <m4dh4tt4> i mean if it loaded the new os then hardware is probably fine, how about the "additional drivers" app, any suggestions in there or things you could toggle?
[17:37] <cuddylier> All I need to get working right now is the kdump boot parameter in order go go any further.
[17:37] <cuddylier> in order to go*
[17:37] <cuddylier> Initially I didn't touch the boot parameters as it implied it would auto be added after a reboot.
[17:37] <cuddylier> But didn't seem to be the case.
[17:37] <Adpeen> Hey, trying to reinstall ubuntu to update to 17.04 when booting from the usb it shows the grub boot menu but nothing further than that. tried the usb in another machine to verify it. works there. any suggestions on a "fix"
[17:38] <m4dh4tt4> nvidia gpu adpeen?
[17:38] <DanteEdward> Can someone help me out? I seem to be having an issue with not being able to set a wallpaper or a screensaver
[17:38] <Adpeen> Yes, a gtx 460.
[17:38] <sary> Adpeen: did you md5 checsum on the iso before burnin' it to the usb!
[17:39] <Adpeen> i did the md5 checksum, came back verified
[17:39] <ioria> cuddylier, what boot parameters are you trying ?
[17:39] <m4dh4tt4> i did advanced options or something, (had same exact problem as youre describing) and i chose some ACPI off mode,installed great after that , the option was at grub somewhere
[17:39] <cuddylier> ioria: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0 crashkernel=384M-2G:64M,2G-:128M"
[17:40] <m4dh4tt4> then i had to edit my /etc/default/grub.conf and added ACPI=off in that line i think /\
[17:40] <ioria> cuddylier, can you paste   dmesg | grep Kernel  ?
[17:40] <m4dh4tt4> + update-grub, but only after you install nvidia drivers from repo (i dont recommend nouveau)
[17:40] <cuddylier> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25105495/
[17:40] <Adpeen> ill try booting with "acpi = off"
[17:41] <ioria> cuddylier, can you paste  /etc/default/grub  ?
[17:41] <m4dh4tt4> warning, doing that, after install ubuntu wont know how to turn off /reboot until you add that acpi=on after
[17:42] <m4dh4tt4> and i would recommend adding the nvidia drivers ppa and installing the exact version thats recommended in the text before hitting enter to agree to add the ppa
[17:42] <m4dh4tt4> anything else is foolish imo
[17:42] <cuddylier> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25105503/
[17:42] <m4dh4tt4> my fav laptop just ran like a peice of crap for 3 months cuz i didnt know /\
[17:43] <m4dh4tt4> specific nvidia card = runs better on specific recommended by ppa nvidia team
[17:43] <sary> cuddylier: try with 384M-:256M
[17:43] <sary> increase the 256M gradually
[17:43] <glitsj16> DanteEdward: what DE are you using?
[17:43] <Adpeen> so install ubuntu with "acpi = off"
[17:43] <cuddylier> sary: Strange thing is, there is a crash parameter in the grub.cfg without it being in the /etc/defaults/grub file.
[17:43] <DanteEdward> I don't now what a DE is :D :D :D
[17:44] <glitsj16> DanteEdward: DE, desktop environment, sorry for my lazyness :p
[17:44] <cuddylier> What the grub.cfg has in it: linux   /vmlinuz-4.4.0-83-generic root=UUID=553099e5-900c-4431-ab77-e1060b6558eb ro net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0 crashkernel=384M-2G:64M,2G-:128M  crashkernel=384M-:128M
[17:44] <DanteEdward> No worries.
[17:44] <DanteEdward> I'm using Cinnamon.
[17:45] <sary> cuddylier: To avoid loosing the settings when running update-grub the change can be made in /etc/default/grub.d/kexec-tools.cfg .
[17:46] <sary> cuddylier: #see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/CrashdumpRecipe#Troubleshooting
[17:46] <Budgie^Smore> anyone have a experience with system 76 laptops? in particular dealing with their support?
[17:46] <glitsj16> DanteEdward: never used that, so this is pure guessing.. nautilus (and its forks) is known to take over setting desktop background, perhaps it is interfering with whatever tool cinnamon uses
[17:47] <DanteEdward> glitsjl6: I have no idea how to fix that.
[17:49] <glitsj16> DanteEdward: you might have hit a bug, other people report similar issues with cinnamon on 16.04 --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cinnamon/+bug/1581263
[17:50] <ioria> cuddylier, did you change /etc/default/kdump-tools  ?
[17:52] <DanteEdward> glitsjl6: I suppose that explains the wallpaper. What about the screensaver though?
[17:52] <Adpeen> when trying to boot from the usb with "acpi=off" im getting an error "invalid command name"  any other fixes on this?
[17:52] <m4dh4tt4> oh u put it in manually? i selected mine from some list
[17:53] <Adpeen> i didnt get a list. i just get the options " try ubuntu without installing, install ubuntu, check for disc defects, and oem manufacturing"
[17:53] <glitsj16> DanteEdward: good point, how do you start your screensaver? And which one is used in Cinnamon? You could try starting that from inside a terminal so you see potential error messages etc
[17:53] <m4dh4tt4> i remember a tiny list coming up bottom right corner and chosing either top on second from top, i thought it was acpi , no harm in trying a few
[17:54] <m4dh4tt4> hit escape maybe?
[17:54] <Adpeen> ill try hitting escape
[17:55] <sary> for NVidia you'll need the kernel boot parmeter nomodeset not acpi=off . as i recall!
[17:55] <EriC^^> Adpeen: that's the uefi live usb, in legacy mode you get a list
[17:55] <DanteEdward> glitsjl6: I don' know the answer to either of those questions beyond "I wait for it to tart itself" and "the ones made specifically for Cinnamon"
[17:55] <Adpeen> i did get a list, in legacy mode. ill try this.
[17:55] <EriC^^> Adpeen: for uefi you have to add it manually by pressing e over try ubuntu then go to the line that says linux /vmlinuz and add whatever you want after quiet splash or so
[17:56] <glitsj16> DanteEdward: okay, no problem, I'll try checking what cinnamon uses
[17:56] <m4dh4tt4> ya nomodeset rings a bell that might have done it its fuzzy but the option wasnt visible, i interacted, got a lil menu and picked somethin either top or second option and then buntu installed , damn nvidia strikes again
[17:57] <azizLIGHT> sary: so i monitored my connection and syslog said that device (ens33): state change: activated -> failed (reason ip-config-expired')
[17:57] <Adpeen> i got to a boot menu with the acpi=off option on legacy ill install and see what happens from there out
[17:58] <glitsj16> DanteEdward: can you check if you have cinnamon-screensaver installed? By the way, what ubuntu version are you using, 16.04, 17.04?
[17:58] <DanteEdward> 16.04
[17:58] <cuddylier> ioria: No apart from USE_KDUMP=1
[17:58] <ioria> cuddylier, should be correct
[17:59] <Bashing-om> Adpeen: Dual booting ( just joined ) ? Maybe legacy not a good thing to install with .
[17:59] <DanteEdward> glitsjl6: I don't kno how I would check install location for any given package
[17:59] <cuddylier> Any ideas why that extra crash kernel parameter is being added to the /boot/grub/grub.cfg that isn't in /etc/default/grub?
[18:00] <glitsj16> DanteEdward: okay, try running 'cinnamon-screensaver' in a terminal and report what that says please, or make a paste if it's longer output
[18:00] <ioria> cuddylier,if yiou edit /e/d/grub you don't need to edit  grub.cfg
[18:00] <glitsj16> DanteEdward: you can check with 'apt policy cinnamon-screensaver'
[18:00] <DanteEdward> Cinnamon Screensaver support not found in current theme - adding some...
[18:00] <DanteEdward> Trying to connect to logind...
[18:00] <DanteEdward> A screensaver is already running!  Exiting...
[18:02] <glitsj16> DanteEdward: my mistake, it's normal that you have already running one, please try 'killall cinnamon-screensaver && cinnamon-screensaver'
[18:02] <ioria> cuddylier, better, remove it also from /etc/default/grub and run sudo update-grub
[18:03] <cuddylier> ioria: /boot/grub/grub.cfg now shows the following after 'update-grub': linux   /vmlinuz-4.4.0-83-generic root=UUID=553099e5-900c-4431-ab77-e1060b6558eb ro net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0  crashkernel=384M-:128M
[18:04] <ioria> cuddylier, rebbot and paste dmesg | grep Kernel
[18:04] <DanteEdward> Cinnamon Screensaver support not found in current theme - adding some...
[18:04] <DanteEdward> Trying to connect to logind...
[18:04] <DanteEdward> Starting screensaver...
[18:04] <DanteEdward> Successfully using logind
[18:05] <sary> azizLIGHT: well, there you go.. if you serach the web with that line you may have clue as to what ( reason ip-confug-expired) means.
[18:06] <SubCool> please help. I was trying to install the nvidia drivers, and now i have a blank screen. Iinstalled via ppa, and remove them. i installed via .bin (even though all the instructions describe .run ) and i still have a blank screen.
[18:06] <sary> here we go agaon with another nvidia driver issue ..fruck!
[18:07] <SubCool> my feelings exactly
[18:07] <sary> any reason why you installed the driver with the .run file!
[18:07] <glitsj16> DanteEdward: apparently cinnamon-screensaver hooks into another widely used one called xscreensaver.. usually you need to configure that with xscreensaver-settings, but I don't know if that's the case on cinnamon.. I think that the first message about 'not found in current theme' refers to that.. can you try 'xscreensaver-settings' and see if you can choose your screensaver visuals etc
[18:08] <SubCool> ppa ddint seem to work
[18:08] <DanteEdward> As soon as I get the terminal out of cinnamon-screensaver
[18:08] <SubCool> video files were still choppy, goign to nvidia settings and such showed no results.
[18:09] <DanteEdward> glitsjl6: I can still type, but the terminal doesn't seem to be taking commands
[18:10] <glitsj16> DanteEdward: that's because you have cinnamon-screensaver running in the foreground, open another tab or another terminal window to try the xscreensaver command
[18:10] <SubCool> ive followed a few guides on fixing it, but im still getting a blank screen
[18:10] <sary> SubCool: try installin the driver with ubuntu-drivers devices , you might need to uninstall the .run file # cd /to/dir/with/NVIDIA.run-file/ run $ bash NVIDIA-CURRENTLY-INSTALLED-VERSION.run --uninstall ,then use ubuntu-drivers devices , and install the proper driver version ..
[18:11] <DanteEdward> glitsjl6: xscreensaver-settings: command not found
[18:12] <sary> if you folowed the offical method , you'll rarely have issues! SubCool
[18:12] <SubCool> So I assume .bin and. Run of the same
[18:12] <SubCool> I followed the official method
[18:12] <SubCool> When it didn't work I went for the other method
[18:13] <glitsj16> DanteEdward: again, my mistake, sorry about that.. try xscreensaver-demo instead .. i don't use screensavers so I'm out of practice..
[18:13] <SubCool> I installed the 940 driver, it didn't show results so I Googled it and I saw the results for using the dot 975 method
[18:13] <LordSesshomaru> hello, I'm having issues with the cpufreq-utils, my system has been stuck at 1.2GHz since I've installed ubuntu 16.04.2, no matter what I issue to cpufreq-set, nothing changes, this system is rated for 2.67GHz with intel turbo boost to 3.4GHz
[18:13] <SubCool> Then I filed a guide for the current
[18:13] <DanteEdward> Not installed.
[18:14] <DanteEdward> Should I install it?
[18:14] <SubCool> After all of that showed no results I went for the old school way they went for the. Bin file
[18:14] <sary> i don't know abut the .bin file, SubCool  which nvidia card is it?
[18:14] <glitsj16> DanteEdward: that's worth a shot yes
[18:14] <DanteEdward> I think it might be saying I just plain don't have xscreensaver
[18:16] <glitsj16> DanteEdward: correct, but it might already work now you have cinnamon-screensaver running without errors.. you can test with cinnamon-screensaver-command activate or deactivate, again from another terminal tab
[18:17] <glitsj16> see if that blanks/unblanks your screen as it should
[18:19] <SubCool> 940
[18:20] <SubCool> ^ okay so I uninstall the drivers via the bin file now what
[18:21] <SubCool> I tried logging in with a USB drive just so I can back up the information start fresh but, it won't let me have access to the original hard drive
[18:22] <DanteEdward> My screensavers seem to be working now, insofar as I can launch them myself
[18:22] <cuddylier> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25105760/
[18:22] <cuddylier> Still missing :(
[18:22] <DanteEdward> Lemme drop self-launch time to 1 minute and see if they work as intended
[18:24] <glitsj16> DanteEdward: allright, if that part works we need to determine if something else is also trying to start a screensaver at login, but we'll get to that if you confirm it actually works for you
[18:35] <SubCool> Ok, lets forget my Video Issue, how do i log in via Kubuntu Live USB and mount the "host" HDD so i can back things up.
[18:37] <cuddylier> My ubuntu 16.04 on reboot doesn't go to the bios screen or anything, I can't find what setting I need to change, to change that bahaviour.
[18:39] <SubCool> When I try to mount the drive for which kubuntu is installed on, I tried to enter my home directory and I receive an error. The error says " could not enter folder media/kubuntu/whole bunch of numbers/username
[18:40] <Bashing-om> SubCool: On the hard drive, is encryption a factor ?
[18:40] <SubCool> I don't recall encrypting it but at this point I wouldn't be surprised
[18:41] <_MattB> I'm trying to install 16.04 desktop by booting from the DVD and I can only get to the point of where it says "Booting kernel failed: invalid argument" any idea what I can try to figure out what is going on?
[18:41] <_MattB> its a home built machine with an asus p8z68 deluxe motherboard (4 years old maybe)
[18:42] <_MattB> From what I can tell it doesn't support secure boot so I don't think that is the issue
[18:42] <Bashing-om> SubCool: Then if you do not know - must not be encrypted . Pastebin from the liveUSB ' sudo parted -l ; sudo blkid ' . See what we have to work with and identify the target to mount from the liveUSB .
[18:44] <Bashing-om> _MattB: Did you verify the .iso file download and also the burn to the media ?
[18:44] <_MattB> Bashing-om: I did
[18:45] <_MattB> I can try burning it again just in case, but 100% sure the ISO checks out
[18:45] <SubCool> matt , mines older and has secure boot and EFI - so be careful
[18:46] <SubCool> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25105913
[18:46] <_MattB> SubCool: thats the first thing I found to try, but searched through every setting in the BIOS and don't see anything, and read someone saying it's not supported (although that could be wrong, but all signs point to that it isn't there)
[18:46] <Bashing-om> Matthew_: There is " check disk for defects " on the DVD boot menu . Does the check run clean ?
[18:46] <_MattB> Bashing-om: I don't get to any menu
[18:47] <Matthew_> Hello?
[18:47] <_MattB> It starts booting from the disk, I can see the ubuntu graphics, then get the error message
[18:47] <_MattB> I guess I can boot it from another machine and see what happens
[18:47] <cuddylier> 384
[18:49] <DanteEdward> Glitsjl6: My screensaver seems to be auto-launching properly now
[18:49] <DanteEdward> Thank you very much!
[18:50] <Bashing-om> Matthew_: Boot to the menu : As soon as the bios screen clears depress and hold a shift key -> language screen ; escape key to accept the default -> boot options menu ?
[18:54] <SubCool> Bashing-om: ^^
[18:54] <_MattB> I'm thinking maybe it's the disc after all
[18:55] <Bashing-om> SubCool: Still do not know the target to mount . could be several partitions . what shows ' sudo blkid ' ?
[18:58] <Bashing-om> SubCool: Let's try it from ' sudo fdisk -lu ' . see if the "boot" is identified .
[19:00] <Bashing-om> _MattB: Bad burns happen , re-burn at the lowest speed you can .
[19:03] <_MattB> I tried booting the disk from another machine with a completely different setup and got the same message
[19:05] <_MattB> New disc booting fine, now where can I get that hour back? :)
[19:07] <Bashing-om> _MattB: All good experience - not a wasted hour . Just apply that learning curve to else where :)
[19:37] <cuddylier> My screen goes black part way through kdump creating a core dump, any ideas why? It got to 35%.
[19:38] <Ras_Older> I noticed that currently nmcli doesn't support openvpn feature tls-crypt which was introduced in OpenVPN 2.4 and therefore one cannot import such profiles through network manager. Is this already known issue?
[19:44] <PipeItToDevNull> Ras_Older, I just imported a config through NM
[19:48] <tomreyn> Ras_Older: what does 'currently' refer to in terms of ubuntu releases?
[19:49] <toothfairy_> Hmm ... I just received a warning from hosting company that someone is running an outbound DOS attack from my server, where do I start to check whats going on on my server?
[19:49] <EleanorEllis> Does anyone know why the download links for ubuntu are http, and not https?
[19:50] <tomreyn> toothfairy_: sudo lsof -i    # and ask the hosting company how they gathered said information / what their source is, if they can disclose it (usually they will be happy to)
[19:52] <bipul> EleanorEllis, Show me where do you found ?
[19:52] <tomreyn> EleanorEllis: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-how-to-verify-ubuntu#0
[19:53] <bipul> toothfairy_, You should initiate ddos mitigation process
[19:54] <bipul> toothfairy_, First try to get to know , how many source of ip hitting on your server? If your getting hit by zombies or single IP?
[19:54] <EleanorEllis> bipul: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/zesty/release/ for example. All the download links are http
[19:54] <tomreyn> EleanorEllis: https is just transport encryption. that's good, but using gpg provides more than that - it allows you to verify that this specific file you downloaded has not been altered.
[19:55] <Ras_Older> tomreyn: I tried with zesty and artful
[19:56] <toothfairy_> tomaw: I see mostly ordinary processes there, except this one:  onthwfuzp 24831     root    3u  IPv4 2962709      0t0  UDP *:36266
[19:56] <EleanorEllis> tomreyn: I get that https is not enough on it's own, but wouldn't it be sensible for the download links to at least use this basic security?
[19:57] <bipul> EleanorEllis, Kindly raise this issue to  #ubuntu-devel
[19:57] <EleanorEllis> bipul: Will do
[19:57] <toothfairy_> bipul:  will try to look into ddos mitigation process
[19:57] <Ras_Older> Also my .ovpn file works when ran with "sudo openvpn config.ovpn" but network manager and nmcli refuse to use it
[19:57] <sebsebseb> EleanorEllis: https is more secure
[19:57] <tomreyn> Ras_Older: i see. i would not be surprised if it is as you say since it's not uncommon that nm development is not just as fast as the CLI tools it depends on. after all, those are often different devellopment teams.
[19:58] <sebsebseb> EleanorEllis: I read Mageia did this too another distro  but ther ewas a reason for that
[19:58]  * bipul Being a responsible community, we don't compromise with security
[19:58] <tomreyn> Ras_Older: maybe give a ppa a try if you can identify one you trust.
[19:58] <tomreyn> (or build from source)
[19:59] <toothfairy_> tomreyn:  I see mostly ordinary processes there, except this one:  onthwfuzp 24831     root    3u  IPv4 2962709      0t0  UDP *:36266
[19:59] <tomreyn> EleanorEllis: it's not rreally needed since you authenticate the files through gpg which usually has a better trust ecosystem than X.509 CAs are.
[20:00] <bipul> toothfairy_, I suggest you to try to figure out the attacking IP ,and block them by firewall.
[20:00] <tgm4883> bipul: privacy, not security in this context
[20:00] <bipul> Or possible try to change your host IP
[20:00] <tomreyn> EleanorEllis: still, httpS instead of http would not hurt much except for some performance.
[20:00] <toothfairy_> bipul: they say its outbound
[20:00] <bipul> tgm4883, Yes indeed :)
[20:01] <YankDownUnder> toothfairy_, turn off any "mail" services on the server to see if that does something...
[20:01] <tomreyn> toothfairy_: ps ef 24831
[20:01] <toothfairy_> tomreyn: 24831 ?        Ssl    6:44 cd /etc SSH_CONNECTION=107.150.9.119 48941 172.104.14
[20:02] <tomreyn> toothfairy_: is that ip yours or that of someone you trust?
[20:03] <tomreyn> Country-Code:CN
[20:03] <toothfairy_> not mine
[20:03] <toothfairy_> lol
[20:04] <toothfairy_> China :/
[20:04] <toothfairy_> Strange, server is only a few days old  with new installation, how can they get ssh access
[20:05] <tomreyn> toothfairy_: week passwords for ssh?
[20:05] <tomreyn> *weak
[20:05] <toothfairy_> tomreyn: could be
[20:05] <tomreyn> reinstall
[20:05] <bipul> toothfairy_, I would suggest , block those ip range, those are coming from china
[20:06] <toothfairy_> tomreyn: can\t I close his connection and change root password?
[20:06] <tomreyn> toothfairy_: yuo don't know what malware they may have installed since they got access.
[20:06] <tomreyn> toothfairy_: so no
[20:07] <toothfairy_> okok
[20:07] <toothfairy_> sudo ufw deny from 107.150.9.119 ?
[20:07] <tomreyn> toothfairy_: do you have out of bound access to the system? i.e. can you access it from a recovery system or similar?
[20:07] <bipul> ufw deny from 107.150.9.0/24 try this
[20:08] <bipul> I would suggest try installing firewalld
[20:08] <toothfairy_> bipul: thank you, will try it
[20:09] <tomreyn> toothfairy_: what bipul suggests is attempting to fight against the intruders. it might work, or it can get much worse.
[20:09] <tomreyn> the better approach is to power off the system, and power it on again booting off a known clean recovery system.
[20:09] <toothfairy_> Will try stop the attack and then when all seems fine and I have backed up important files I will reinstall
[20:10] <tomreyn> then take backups as needed, tagged as 'compromised' (so you'll know you'll need to cherry pick on them later), and reinstall
[20:10] <bipul> toothfairy_, Just try and let me know :)
[20:11] <bipul> I would be happy if i can able to protect your server :)
[20:12] <toothfairy_> Maybe in the future, this is just a simple dev server :)
[20:12] <bipul> And i would also suggest you to look into the traffic logs, how many ip's are you are getting hit
[20:13] <tomreyn> it's outbound
[20:14] <tomreyn> toothfairy_: if it's "just a simple dev server" then you should not try to keep it running and have a fight with the intruders, but try to regain ownership reliably asap, stopping the attack asap. and the fastest way to do that is what i discussed above.
[20:14] <transhuman> hi! can anyone tell me if I forgot to shrink the xfs partition table before shrinking the lvm volume...Is there a recovery possible?  /dev/mapper/vg0-lv_root: can't read superblock
[20:15] <bipul> You mean outbound DDoS attack?
[20:15] <tomreyn> bipul: that's the first thing toothfairy_ said when joining the channel.
[20:16] <bipul> oh, i have not seen this. Thank you for letting me know
[20:16] <tomreyn> transhuman: there is no such thing as an "xfs partition table"
[20:16] <tomreyn> there are msdos and gpt
[20:17]  * bipul  Then he must have downloaded some rootkit
[20:17] <transhuman> ok recover superblock then, the data is less than the size of the new lvm volume so the data is there just unreadable
[20:18] <tomreyn> transhuman: describe which layers of block devices you have there, what you meant to achieve, and which commands you ran.
[20:19] <toothfairy_> Tnx tomreyn
[20:20] <tomreyn> transhuman: maybe start with 'lsblk -o +label | nc termbin.com 9999'
[20:20] <tomreyn> welcome
[20:20] <transhuman> I shrunk the LVM which contains two logical volumes a swap, and a lv,root the lvroot new dimensions is 94 GB while the empty space removed was 9/10 of a TB
[20:20] <transhuman> http://termbin.com/hurs
[20:23] <transhuman> simply I forgot to shrink the file system before executing the lvm shrink
[20:24] <tomreyn> transhuman: can you should those, too (run each with sudo and paste to a pastebin): pvs, vgs, lvs
[20:24] <tomreyn> !pastebin
[20:25] <tomreyn> transhuman: whe you say you "shrunk the lvm", do you mean you reduced the size of LV vg0/lv_root or that or PV /dev/sdb2 ?
[20:26] <transhuman> reduced the size of lv_root
[20:27] <transhuman> so the result is it no longer mounts because of bad superblock
[20:29] <tomreyn> okay so unless you modified the xfs file system on vg0/lv_root since then you may be able to recover much of it if you're resize it to the exact (to the byte) size it used to have.
[20:29] <tomreyn> * you'll (not "you're")
[20:30] <transhuman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25106646/  http://paste.ubuntu.com/25106647/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/25106648/
[20:31] <transhuman> I am not sure I can size it to the exact byte, It did take the whole disk besides the 4gb original partition  but I am not sure I can get it down to the byte
[20:32] <tomreyn> transhuman: should we assume that the entire useable space available in vg0 used to be allocated before you reduced lv_root? if so, we could just resize it back to the maximum available size and hope it'll be ok.
[20:33] <transhuman> the other problem is that I did this in order to create a new install on same disk, which I installed afterward (had no other way to do it no other disks, so all the data is on the first 94GB I am sure but the superblock that it refers to is definitely gone
[20:34] <tomreyn> transhuman: lv_root cannot possibly have been larger than the PV (/dev/sdb2) which is just one of multiple partition son this disk. so the previous lv_root cannot have ever allocated the entire disk space of sdb
[20:34] <transhuman> I didnt realize that the data or information would spread way beyond that area
[20:34] <transhuman> tomreyn, read above
[20:34] <tomreyn> what is the '4gb original partition' you are referring to?
[20:34] <transhuman> my stupidity
[20:36] <transhuman> there was two lvm logical volumes on xfs partitions one was 4gb (swap) second was almost 1TB holding root, I shrunk root and reinstalled in empty space which is where I am sending these messages to you from now
[20:36] <transhuman> I would have backed up my data but I did not have anything to back it up too
[20:36] <tomreyn> so you had a swap file on an xfs partition called 'swap' (but not a swap file system?
[20:37] <transhuman> probably
[20:38] <transhuman> I hate to deal with it but would say my sh*t is gone
[20:38] <tomreyn> i don't understand how you could have shrunk anything from 1 TB to an LV inside this 109.91 GB physical volume
[20:39] <transhuman> I used system-config-lvm to shrink it
[20:40] <transhuman> the hard drive is 1TB in size
[20:41] <transhuman> at first it had only vg0 on it with the logical volumes and lv_root was nearly 1TB in size
[20:41] <pacmanfan> anyone have a trick to expand a /boot partition when it's ahead of the root LVM partition?
[20:41] <transhuman> seems strange but they seem switched the root and the swap
[20:44] <transhuman> pacmanfan back up your sh!T first
[20:44] <transhuman> take it from someone who has just lost theirs
[20:47] <pacmanfan> transhuman, sorry for your loss :(
[20:47] <pacmanfan> it sounds like a mess
[20:47] <transhuman> it is
[20:47] <pacmanfan> encrypted?
[20:48] <transhuman> but to answer your question AFTER you back up your sh!t you can use gparted from a live disk to shrink it but if its on lvm its not that easy (no gui) you might just remove some of your old kernels
[20:49] <gigafish> May I request the issue, I just arrived.
[20:50] <transhuman> gigafish I shrunk my lv_root partition from 1TB to 1/10 tb and installed ubuntu in open space but the original lv_root is no longer available produces bad superblock error
[20:50] <gigafish> Ooh, this is messy.
[20:50] <transhuman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25106646/
[20:51] <transhuman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25106647/
[20:51] <transhuman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25106648/
[20:52] <transhuman> you know when you get that feeling in the pit of your stomach that you have lost 6 months worth of python work...
[20:52] <gigafish> Lol yes.
[20:53] <transhuman> the worst part is that the superblock must be past the boundary of the lvm logical volume
[20:53] <pacmanfan> transhuman, i have almost a dozen VM guests with ~250MB /boot partitions each. i'm sick and tired of them filling up with old kernels. i'm doing something about it NOW, by expanding /boot to 2gb. i've gotten 2 or 3 of them expanded, but none of my tricks are working on this one. using gparted livecd, but i can't reliably get Deactivate to work on the LV.
[20:54] <pacmanfan> as far as your problem, you're way past my knowledge of LVM, so i can't help at all :/ but before doing anything else on that disk, i would dd it onto a backup disk
[20:54] <transhuman> how about using clonezilla pacmanfan to clone back it up to cloud and the clone it back (of course a tape backup as I said is a real good idea..
[20:55] <pacmanfan> assuming dd will work to back up the disk state
[20:55] <gigafish> I wish partitioning could be easier, this is why I hate installing and configuring servers.
[20:55] <transhuman> dont have one thats why I am in the mess, been unemployed for a year so I cant afford to put food on the table never mind buy equipemnt
[20:55] <pacmanfan> i imagine data recovery labs could deal with it, but $$$
[20:56] <transhuman> yes I am sure they could
[20:56] <pacmanfan> you need a 1tb disk?
[20:56] <transhuman> If Only I could just get my backups from chrome and my python programs I would be ok with it
[20:56] <transhuman> doing stock market AI models
[20:56] <transhuman> its almost 400 gb for the data alone
[20:57] <pacmanfan> dd copies raw blocks off the disk, so even with your filesystem bungle i think dd would preserve it?
[20:57] <transhuman> yes it would preserve it if I had a disk
[20:57] <pacmanfan> so you would have a backup copy in the current bungled state while you attempt to repair
[20:57] <pacmanfan> let me see if i have a spare 1tb disk
[20:57] <gigafish> Transhuman, do you have zfs installed?
[20:58] <transhuman> I backed up my two python scripts in email but its all the links to other software that cant be replaced (all the research)
[20:58] <transhuman> yes gigafish
[20:58] <transhuman> no sorry xfs
[20:58] <pacmanfan> if you PM me the mailing address, i'll send you a 1tb 3.5" disk
[20:58] <pacmanfan> if that helps you
[20:59] <pacmanfan> would be a few days before it's there...
[20:59] <transhuman> I appreciate it pacmanfan, but I wouldnt want to put you out
[20:59] <pacmanfan> and i actually need to zero write it a few times, so it might be a couple days before i can even send it
[20:59] <pacmanfan> it didn't cost me anything, and i don't have an immediate need for it, you can have it.
[21:00] <transhuman> its up to you thanks for the offer
[21:04] <konrados> Hi. I have a very noob question. Will the newest ubuntu Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS work on this quite old machine:  http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/pcs/NP-R522-FA02US-specs ?
[21:04] <DeTesla> yeah you'd be better off with writing the specs on the chat.. only the 3 most important ones
[21:05] <DeTesla> CPU, RAM and GPU
[21:05] <konrados> sec....
[21:06] <konrados> ram 3 GB DDR2, graphics Intel GMA 4500 MHD and... cpu: Intel Core2 Duo Processor T6400: 2.0 GHz, 800MHz FSB, 2MB On-Die L2 Cache
[21:07] <konrados> Instruction Set: 64-bit
[21:07] <konrados> cpu^
[21:07] <sary> konrados: ubuntu should run fine on this machine , try and test the live session ..
[21:08] <tomreyn> fine, just very slowly
[21:08] <konrados> sary, DeTesla tomreyn - thank you!
[21:08] <sary> will, for the most part .. they might be better of with Xubuntu or lubuntu.
[21:09] <konrados> sary, - is this a good starting point: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD#Preparing_your_LiveCD ?
[21:10] <konrados> I want to start it with pendrive
[21:10] <DeTesla> I have a mediocre laptop i run XFCE on, and its quite smooth actually
[21:10] <tecan> the pycuda examples dont run on ubuntu 17
[21:11] <tecan> makes designing ai harder
[21:11] <DeTesla> XFCE is for low end laptops.. got minimal GUI and is quite light on the memory too
[21:11] <konrados> DeTesla, - I'm not worried about performance at all :) I have much more serious problems right now :)
[21:11] <jnewt> i am dual booting win7.  there's a couple of files i have on my windows "C:" drive i'd like to get without rebooting.  i can see the drive in computer (along with a couple of shared drives and my ubuntu installed disk.  when i try to click on the windows one, it tries to open with pluma.  what is going on?
[21:11] <tomreyn> konrados: are you saying you plan to generally run the installed system from a usb stick?
[21:12] <konrados> tomreyn, no, I just want to make sure it will work, and if it will - I will install it normally
[21:12] <DeTesla> wow, whats the more serious problems you have ?
[21:13] <konrados> DeTesla, - here you go, the laptop runs on Windows Vista, and just stopped working, after considering many options it seems installing some linux is the best option:)
[21:13] <DeTesla> Well its free and rated #awesome, so why not
[21:13] <konrados> It's my sister's laptop, she can't find original vista disk
[21:14] <jnewt> nvidia driver that works (older version) causes periodic blips of 1/3 of the screen to be all garbled.  definitely irritating, but not that serious i guess.
[21:14] <tomreyn> !liveusb | konrados
[21:14] <DeTesla> funfact: Right now im on XFCE, and running IRC through the terminal, so im really satisfied
[21:14] <tomreyn> konrados: ^ so the first one is what you want
[21:14] <sary> konrados: yes that's good start point .. but first make sure you md5 sumcheck the hashes on the iso file , and if you plan on burnning the iso to a cd-dvd use a less burn speed 2x - 4x #see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[21:15] <DeTesla> yeah, im wondering, why is md5sum check so important ?
[21:17] <sebsebseb> DeTesla: checks  for a good download
[21:17] <ducasse> DeTesla: it verifies it's integrity
[21:18] <konrados> but hey, there already is a system installed and stuff... it's ntfs. I don't want to loose files. When I'll start installing ubuntu... will it ask me to make a partition for it or .... I don't know... My sister doesn't make backups... :(
[21:18] <konrados> Sorry, I'm a noob :(
[21:18] <ikonia> konrados: nothing wrong with being news
[21:18] <ikonia> new
[21:18] <ikonia> konrados: take a backup first
[21:19] <ikonia> konrados: the partition will ask you if you want to manually or automaically partition
[21:19] <ikonia> konrados: as long as you pay attention to what is happening on screen you'll be fine
[21:20] <sebsebseb> konrados:  missd some of your stuff, but if your going to dual boot keeping Vista on as well,  I suggest letting Windows re size itself first, before trying to put Ubuntu on
[21:20] <konrados> making the backup isn't easy for me as well - the system doesn't start, and it's a laptop - I have never opened a laptop - I don't even know how it looks like inside :)
[21:20] <sebsebseb> konrados: also back up yes
[21:20] <konrados> sebsebseb, no, I don't care about vista, I care about files
[21:20] <ikonia> konrados: you don't have to open it to backup
[21:20] <ikonia> konrados: just use a usb disk
[21:20] <ikonia> konrados: backup the files you want to keep
[21:20] <konrados> ikonia, you mean the ubuntu  live cd?
[21:21] <ikonia> konrados: no, you need an external disk to backup the files to
[21:21] <sebsebseb> konrados: that can access the windows partion easilloy, as long as it turned off ok
[21:21] <sebsebseb> windows
[21:21] <konrados> ikonia, sebsebseb  how can I do this when the OS doesn't start?
[21:21] <ikonia> konrados: why doesn't the OS start ?
[21:21] <sebsebseb> konrados: it might work anyway, even if vista won't boot up otherwise
[21:21] <ikonia> konrados: you can use the ubuntu livecd to access the windows disk
[21:21] <sebsebseb> then you can get into files via linux
[21:22] <tomreyn> ...and copy them to usb or network attached storage
[21:22] <sebsebseb> yes
[21:22] <konrados> ikonia, I have no idea, why it doesn't start and I don't really care I don't want windows any more on this laptop :)
[21:22] <tomreyn> i.e. copy the windows data to a usb stick after booting from live cd
[21:22] <LordSesshomaru> I seem to yet again be stuck at 1.2GHz on account of whatever power saving functions exist.  I've tried the performance govenor and manually choosing clock speed.  I'd like to remove any and all things that can change my CPU clock and just let my computer run full bore, is that possible?
[21:23] <konrados> ok, so - ubuntu live cd right?
[21:23] <ikonia> konrados: why it doesn't start may give a clue to the state of the disks/file
[21:23] <ikonia> konrados: you should care about it
[21:23] <sebsebseb> konrados: treu if it's a hardware fault as in the hard disk,  putting ubuntu on may not help that much
[21:23] <konrados> ikonia - sebsebseb  yeees, but I can't check the disk without os, right?
[21:23] <sebsebseb> you can via ubuntu
[21:23] <sebsebseb> check things
[21:24] <ikonia> konrados: you need to explain why it won't start
[21:24] <ikonia> what happens
[21:24] <konrados> ikonia, bios starts, no problems, then vista starts, it is loading.... and then bsod
[21:25] <konrados> I believe some windows files are corrupted, or some problems with disk, but... how can I know without os?
[21:25] <ikonia> konrados: I'd suggest a small work through with the guys in ##windows channel to at least understand the basics
[21:25] <ikonia> konrados: from there you can work out how to backup / recover your files
[21:26] <sebsebseb> konrados: Linux tools can also be used for windows things as well, but yes try ##windows
[21:26] <tomreyn> windows also have a recovery boot mechanism, but then we're not the right channel to discuss that
[21:26] <tomreyn> s/have/has/
[21:27] <konrados> ikonia, sebsebseb tomreyn - they (##windows-legacy) suggested installing... ubuntu :) since my sister doesn't have the original vista os dvd :)
[21:27] <konrados> I mean, they suggested starting ubuntu and running disk checking tools
[21:28] <tomreyn> well, you can do so
[21:28] <ikonia> konrados: try the ##windows channel
[21:28] <ikonia> ahh no don't
[21:28] <konrados> ikonia, they sent me to ##windows-legacy
[21:28] <ikonia> ##windows only support current versions, sorry, my mistake
[21:28] <konrados> yeah
[21:28] <sebsebseb> konrados: yeah Vista is old now
[21:28] <konrados> hmmmm, yeah :)
[21:29] <sebsebseb> konrados: there are some Linux distros specifically to do things with Windows as well, but can do a lot of that or should be able to via a normal Ubuntu live anyway
[21:29] <sebsebseb> konrados: try and get into the Vista partiition from the ubuntu live
[21:29] <sebsebseb> then you can get files
[21:29] <konrados> sebsebseb, ok, this is what I will do. Thank you all!
[21:32] <sebsebseb> konrados: do you know how you try and do that though :d ?
[21:33] <heston> hi guys, if i have ubuntu loaded on a usb stick, is the home partitions or any of it's directories preserved after reboots?
[21:34] <sebsebseb> not in the normal live session now
[21:34] <sebsebseb> if you made a special presistent usb though, then should be
[21:34] <sebsebseb> not in the normal live seeession, not the normal usb
[21:34] <konrados> sebsebseb, no, I just hope that when I'll start the ubuntu live, the interface will be simple enough. Otherwise - I'll be back here :)
[21:35] <sebsebseb> konrados: ok so uhmm load up the live
[21:35] <sebsebseb> then
[21:35] <sebsebseb> you should have unity interface,  version 17 .04 ?
[21:35] <sebsebseb> search for files or nautilus
[21:35] <heston> sebsebseb, hmm so if i have a normal usb lived setup, what's the easiest way to preserve some data on it?
[21:35] <tomreyn> heston: also dont trust usb sticks to store your data reliably, or for a long time.
[21:35] <heston> livecd*
[21:35] <konrados> sebsebseb, I can't do this now, I'll get to the laptop in 8h:)
[21:35] <sebsebseb> that's the graphical file manager :)  then  it may have already mounted  the windows partion down the side anyway, if not maybe in /media /mnt
[21:36] <sebsebseb> konrados: its quite basic, however if windows totally didn't shut down properly, it may not show like that as well
[21:36] <sebsebseb> but then can force unmount or whatever, I remember this issue before :d
[21:36] <sebsebseb> konrados: the NTFS partition wants to be shut down properly, or it gets silly possibly, when trying to access it for files etc
[21:37] <sebsebseb> the Windows partition
[21:37] <tomreyn> heston: you could re-do the usb stick and create an area for persisting storage on it, but this is more of a last resort. it'd be much better to store data somewhere else, like on a hard disk or ssd.
[21:37] <konrados> oh o_O :( then I can only hope you'll be around at ~07:00 utc :)
[21:37] <sebsebseb> konrados: posibly not me, but there will be others if not
[21:37] <sebsebseb> and I don't remember the like force mount command thing anyway :d
[21:38] <konrados> seems like this gonna be a very loooong day :(
[21:38] <heston> tomreyn, yeah i just need something moved quickly and easily
[21:38] <heston> was hoping to somehow store a few files on this livecd usb
[21:42] <tomreyn> heston: okay, then either create a installer/live usb stick *with persistence* or create a fully persisting installation on the usb stick.
[21:46] <LordSesshomaru> Well, I guess it's back to windoze for this lappy if Linux wants to shoot itself in the foot and cripple my computer
[21:47] <toothfairy_> How do I block all ips in the firewall starting with 118?
[21:48] <toothfairy_> figured it out ...  sudo ufw deny from 118.0.0.0/8
[21:52] <Didact> I think my boot partition is full or something, anyone care to help ?
[21:54] <Bashing-om> Didact: pastebin ' df -h ; df -i ' . See what the story is .
[21:55] <Didact> YEAH /boot is 100%
[22:03] <heston> tomreyn, that's a bit more work than im willing but thanks for the input
[22:03] <heston> gotta run
[22:06] <Bashing-om> Didact: At 100% may bot have the operating head room, but try ' sudo apt autoremove ' .
[22:06] <Bashing-om> not**
[22:07] <Didact> yeah, that will free up a bunch of stuffs
[22:08] <Bashing-om> Didact: As I said - worth a try . Has to gave room to work though . Else it is elbow grease to get some space .
[22:09] <Didact> yep it's running now, wonder why it doesn't automagically get rid of old kernels
[22:10] <Didact> boot is down to 25% use, ty
[22:11] <Bashing-om> Didact: That is an elective on your part . In /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades from 'false' to 'true' .
[22:11] <Didact> k, ty
[22:20] <camonz> hi, how can I check my AMD gpu status from the command line
[22:20] <camonz> I want to check things like temps, power draw, core and mem frequency, etc
[22:21] <DeTesla> i second this ^
[22:23] <[n0mad]> https://askubuntu.com/questions/277418/program-to-monitor-gpu-temp-usage-for-amd-cards
[22:24] <DeTesla> Thanks @n0mad
[22:24] <[n0mad]> i can't speak at all to accuracy but it references a file that is part of the drivers. i don't have an amd card or anything.
[22:25] <camonz> thanks [n0mad], do you know if it works with the amdgpu-pro drivers
[22:25] <camonz> answer is from '13 so AMD driver landscape has prob changed a ton since then
[22:25] <camonz> I know there's https://github.com/marazmista/radeon-profile-daemon which I'm trying to build
[22:25] <camonz> along with https://github.com/marazmista/radeon-profile
[22:26] <camonz> but I want to run a headless server so I'd prefer not having to vnc to the server to check how the cards are doing
[22:26] <[n0mad]> i also see something called radeontop that is in another link returned by google
[22:27] <DeTesla> I
[22:28] <DeTesla> I'll look into that aswell as @camonz . I once had a terminal program that let me see the resources used, similar to 'tasklist' in win's CMD, but ive since then reformatted and forgotten that command, which is really frustrating
[23:10] <camonz> DeTesla: apparently the consensus is to flash the bios with the new fan curve, frequencies and voltages you want
[23:13] <ahi2> anyone having wifi no connect issues on 16.04? it worked fine on 14.04.
[23:16] <sary> ahi2: is the wifi hard switch turned ON! install and run the wireless info script from https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=370108 , and post the result link here.
[23:17] <sary> i might need to go out in awhile , so the result link will help others her to assist you ..
[23:18] <ahi2> thanks
[23:18] <sary> ahi2: i meant run the script and paste the output in http://paste.ubuntu.com/ , then post the link result here..
[23:18] <_MattB> I've configured my network to use a static ip and an internal nameserver. /etc/resolv.conf lists the one and only nameserver I want to use and  nothing else. However when I try and say ping myhost.mydomain.local it says unknown host. However if I do nslookup it defaults to the correct nameserver and I can within nslookup type myhost.mydomain.local and it resolves correctly. I'm confused as to why ping isn't using the nameserver from /
[23:19] <_MattB> This is deskop 16.04
[23:21] <ahi2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25108024/
[23:23] <DeTesla> @Camonz no, its basicly Windows' CMD
[23:23] <DeTesla> CMD's tasklist
[23:25] <ahi2> sary: i posted the paste above
[23:29] <ahi2> anyone - wifi no connect issue - http://paste.ubuntu.com/25108024/
[23:50] <tgm4883> _MattB: .local is special
[23:50] <tgm4883> you should use something else
[23:52] <_MattB> tgm4883: unfortuantely that ship has sailed. what makes it special?
[23:52] <tgm4883> _MattB: IIRC it's used by avahi and thus intercepts a bunch of stuff
[23:54] <tgm4883> _MattB: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.local
[23:58] <_MattB> hmmm guess that could be causing an issue