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didrocksgood morning06:16
seb128good morning desktopers06:30
didrocksre seb12806:30
seb128re didrocks ;-)06:31
flexiondotorgMorning France :-)06:58
didrockshey flexiondotorg!06:58
seb128hey flexiondotorg, how are you today?06:59
flexiondotorgHow goes it?06:59
flexiondotorgseb128 Yeah, all fine here.06:59
flexiondotorgI'm solo this week.06:59
flexiondotorgOther team members either on holiday or sprinting.06:59
seb128good! it's coffee time :p07:00
flexiondotorgSo a bit lonely.07:00
seb128oh, nobody to disturb you then :-)07:00
seb128you are welcome to animate #ubuntu-desktop07:00
seb128bah, bug #170536907:01
ubot5bug 1705369 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 17.10 boots to black screen when using Nvidia drivers" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/170536907:01
seb128duflu, hey, my understanding of this bug was that gdm is already supposed to fallback to a x11 greeter when wayland is failing07:02
seb128unsure how it detects wayland failing though07:02
seb128and when the greeter is x11 it filters out user sessions of type wayland07:03
dufluseb128, no idea. I have guessed too much now. Would need to set up my Nvidia box to test07:03
didrocksI didn't find any hook for this07:03
didrocksduflu: yep, uncommenting that option is what I'm doing in casper for the live session07:06
seb128didrocks, reading bug report it looks like they fallback if the shell fails to load/init07:07
didrocksyep07:08
didrocksbut not gdm itself07:08
didrockswell07:08
didrocksgdm is using the shell in some special mode07:08
flexiondotorgdidrocks Thanks for the vala-panel ACK yesterday.07:08
didrocksyw!07:08
flexiondotorgHowever ;-)07:08
flexiondotorghttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/169933407:09
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1699334 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] vala-panel-appmenu" [Wishlist,Confirmed]07:09
didrockshum07:09
didrocksis there any other new packages arriving?07:09
flexiondotorgIt was the precursor that vala-panel-appmenu07:09
didrocksI would prefer to delimit a block set of reviews07:09
didrocksdoesn't stop you to package them all first locally07:09
didrocksand upload them to have reviews in one shot07:09
flexiondotorgdidrocks vala-panel-appmenu is all packaged and tested.07:10
didrocksflexiondotorg: do you have any other new packages coming?07:10
seb128didrocks, well, the gdm greeter session is supposed to have that logic07:10
didrocksor that's the last one?07:10
flexiondotorgvala-panel-appmenu is the last one.07:10
didrocksflexiondotorg: ok, will do today or tomorrow if nobody beats me to it :)07:10
flexiondotorgdidrocks Thank you!07:11
didrocksbut for the future, please if you ask for reviews, try to allievate the work of the reviewers07:11
flexiondotorgUbuntu MATE 17.10 is not without vala-panel-appmenu.07:11
didrocksseb128: looking for some logic in there07:11
flexiondotorg*nothing07:11
flexiondotorgdidrocks I have tried to minimise review work.07:11
seb128didrocks, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1218787#c2607:11
ubot5bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1218787 in gdm "gdm-wayland-session fails to present login screen after successful installation" [Unspecified,Closed: eol]07:11
flexiondotorgEven have a .dsc to grab, already to go.07:11
didrocksflexiondotorg: thanks! but for the next time, if you have more than on package to push, please push them all and ask for reviews so that we can context switch to it in one shot :)07:12
didrocksclosed: eol?07:12
* didrocks reads07:12
flexiondotorgdidrocks Well I did try. But someone else got involved only want to review one at a time.07:13
seb128didrocks, they autoclose reports in fedora07:13
flexiondotorgI added vala-panel and vala-panel-appmenu to sponsors and cross referenced the bugs.07:13
flexiondotorgI did try, honest :-)07:13
didrocksflexiondotorg: not a biggie, just for next time, that will please me (if you ping ;)) more :)07:13
didrocksseb128: ah ok07:14
flexiondotorgdidrocks Noted.07:14
seb128I tend to read "budgie" as "buggy" :p07:15
didrocksahah :)07:17
didrocksseb128: which version do you use?07:27
didrocks17.04?07:27
didrocks(just want to test something under unity, if I can avoid switching session, I would be greatful :p)07:28
* didrocks sees /usr/share/applications/org.gnome.Totem.desktop and /usr/share/applications/totem.desktop, but only the last one has an OnlyShowIn, I would have expect the first one to have NotShowIn07:29
didrocksso, we should have a double totem entry in unity07:29
seb12816.0407:30
seb128sorry :p07:30
didrockswere there already some renames?07:31
seb128yes07:31
didrocksmind checking one?07:31
seb128can do07:31
didrocksI wonder if it's just some patches that were dropped, I'm seeing a lot of renames07:31
didrocksthanks :)07:31
seb128didrocks, org.gnome.totem has NoDisplay=true07:33
seb128in xenial07:34
didrocksany reason it went that way rather than OnlyShowIn? to catter for all DEs I guess…07:34
didrockshum, ok, I'll do the same for amazon07:35
didrockswe will need to tackle this seriously before LTS I think07:35
didrocksI have to drop the transition script in G-S for now then07:36
* didrocks does the amazon icon handler as no discussion happened yesterday07:38
Laneymorning08:03
didrockshey Laney08:04
Laneydidrocks: just use the old name for amazon08:04
Laneydon't bother with this transition business there08:04
Laneyand hi, how's it going?08:04
didrocksLaney: too late ;)08:06
didrockswell, at least, we have a consistent stack08:06
Laneyconsistent ugly hacks08:06
LaneyI don't think it's necessary08:07
Laneybut whatever, as you wish08:07
didrocksand once we find the magical trick, we'll be able to cleanswap all of them :p08:07
didrockswell, you decided to break backward compat first08:07
didrocksI just respected your decision and handled the same way than others08:07
Laneyit's only been in a development release08:07
LaneyI said the other day that it could be fixed by renaming08:07
didrocksit's fine anyway08:07
didrockshow are things otherwise?08:08
didrocksdid you get the same heat wave than in France?08:08
Laneyno08:08
Laneyit's been raining today08:08
Laneyquite pleasant08:09
seb128hey Laney08:09
Laneyhi seb12808:12
Laneyyou ok?08:12
seb128yes, we just had some rain which washed out the heat, that feels nice08:12
Laney#rainfans08:16
seb128:-)08:19
willcookemorning all08:59
seb128hey willcooke, how is the day so far in eastern europe?09:04
didrocksgood morning willcooke09:05
seb128or not09:06
seb128Laney, is switching g-s to the upstream packagekit backend likely to be done this cycle? (I'm just wondering if it's worth testing g-s with the current backend much or if I should wait for the change to be done)09:10
Laneyseb128: yes, probably after the .4 release comes out soon09:10
Laneyyou can try silo 2820 if you want09:11
seb128oh, a silo, nice09:11
seb128Laney, thanks09:11
didrocksso, updates would be disabled in g-s UI I guess? (or is that not related to offline updates?)09:11
Laneyyes09:11
flexiondotorgMorning willcooke Laney09:11
Laneyfor packages they would be09:11
Laneyhi flexiondotorg09:12
andyrockhey hey09:18
seb128hey andyrock, how are you?09:18
seb128hum09:18
andyrocklooking for a laptop stand on amazon09:19
andyrock:D09:19
seb128nice09:19
seb128let me know if you buy a nice one09:19
seb128hum09:19
seb128what is listing non installed apps in the shell overview? I guess that's gnome-software through a search provider?09:20
Laneyyep09:20
seb128could somebody else check if it's listing e.g gimp for them but not vlc?09:20
seb128looking for vlc in g-s works though09:20
seb128(that's on artful amd64)09:21
didrocksyeah, vlc isn't listed09:22
didrocks(after removing it)09:23
didrocksdo you think it could be a conflict because there is a snap available?09:24
* didrocks removes the snap plugin, let's see09:24
Laneytry removing the snap plugin09:24
Laneyoho!09:24
didrockshum, no difference09:24
seb128you bad people assuming it's snaps :p09:25
didrocksoh wait09:25
didrocksneed to start g-s09:25
seb128also I think snaps should be listed in there09:25
didrocksto restart have the restart option09:25
seb128(which is what I was trying initially)09:25
didrockshem09:25
didrocksI don't want to say09:25
Laneythey should09:25
didrocksbut after removing the plugin09:25
Laneythe problem is that the snap plugin blocks sometimes09:25
seb128it works!? ;-)09:25
didrocksyep :p09:25
didrockscan you confirm?09:25
didrocksyou need to reopen gnome-software after removing the plugin09:26
didrocksto have a notification to restart it09:26
Laneytry like-09:26
Laneykeep it installed09:26
seb128in a bit, I'm currently installing vlc so I can't restart g-s09:26
Laneysearch vlc09:26
Laneygdb -p $(pidof gnome-software)09:26
Laneyt a a bt09:26
Laneybet you see a thread blocked in snapd-glib09:26
seb128so it blocks other plugins to return results as well?09:27
Laneyglad you asked09:27
seb128do you know if there is a launchpad bug about that blocking issue?09:27
seb128:-)09:27
Laneyyou'll never guess what we talked about at the snappy sprint09:27
Laneyhttps://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-software/commit/?id=fa7216c1284d957acbf266f879a99ffcff06abee https://github.com/snapcore/snapd-glib/commit/fa284cab9090758ce5659a88fec6fbb0e44a8fd809:28
seb128no thread blocked in snapd-glib that I can see09:29
seb128artful has that snapd-glib commit at least09:30
Laneyit doesn't have the gnome-software one09:30
seb128right, I just looked09:31
seb128and our version doesn't have those files it patches09:32
seb128so not easy to apply to try09:32
seb128thanks Laney09:32
Laneyyou can double confirm by removing the plugin though09:32
Laneymaybe you found something else09:32
seb128so do we have a bug about that issue that we can use for making sure the fix lands and is confirmed to work this cycle?09:32
seb128launchpad bug I mean09:33
Laneywhich issue?09:33
seb128"snapd plugin block g-s searches to return results"09:33
seb128or if you want an user description "typing 'vlc' in the overview should list an uninstalled software entry"09:34
seb128blocks from returning*09:34
Laneyit's the same as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/170207109:34
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1702071 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Search spins forever, returns no results." [Undecided,New]09:34
seb128great09:34
seb128thanks Laney09:34
seb128so I can link that one to https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=784251 ?09:35
ubot5Gnome bug 784251 in General "vfunc hangs block operations from completing" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]09:35
Laneyyou can if you want09:35
LaneyI wouldn't bother with all this gardening because I know it's going to be fixed09:35
didrocksthis won't fix though your "want to list snap in G-S search"09:35
Laneybut if it makes you happy09:35
Laneyright09:36
seb128you know it's going to be fixed, unless there is yet another bug in the snapd plugin that makes it still not be enough when that lands09:36
seb128I prefer to test after it lands to make sure everything works09:36
Laneyhow does bug gardening help with that?09:36
seb128but no offense and I'm questionning that you have the known issue in hands :-)09:36
Laneyok09:37
Laneyno big deal09:37
seb128well, having a card or milestoned bug means we have a reminder in a list to test09:37
seb128didrocks, well, maybe the snap plugin returns results and those are going to be in the list09:37
seb128I don't know enough about the plugin to tell09:37
seb128and I can't test while it hangs09:37
didrocksah, you think it just doesn't end the connection09:38
didrocksmaybe09:38
seb128so let's see once the hang issue is fixed09:38
didrocksvlc will be interesting09:38
didrocksto see the visual difference between the 209:38
Laneyit's probably worth a snapd-glib bug if someone wants to file it09:38
Laneyrobert does know, but these things should be tracked in bugs ;) :P09:38
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seb128right09:39
ricotzhey desktopers09:41
flexiondotorgo/09:41
ricotzplease sync meson 0.41.2-1 from debian09:41
LaneyRico "queue jumper" Tzschichholz :-)09:44
ricotzsince it has a delta it won't get autosync'd (tm) ;)09:44
=== maclin1 is now known as maclin
seb128hey ricotz, how are you?09:54
Laneyricotz: yeah, that's what requestsync is for :P09:54
seb128ricotz, why is the delta fine to drop?09:54
Laneythey're both cherry-picks in this version iirc09:55
ricotzLaney, can do09:56
ricotzseb128, hey, I am good09:56
ricotzLaney, just remember someone considered a small hint more effective than a bug ;)09:56
Laneyricotz: it's ok this time, you already got our attention09:57
Laneyseb128: you looking at that?09:57
ricotz https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/170543609:57
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1705436 in meson (Ubuntu) "Sync meson 0.41.2-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]09:57
seb128Laney, not yet but I can if you want10:09
Laneyas you wish10:10
seb128ricotz, do you know if the new meson version fixes the armhf autopkgtest issues that are blocking the current one?10:51
seb128https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-artful/artful/armhf/m/meson/20170716_094525_53311@/log.gz10:52
ricotzseb128, no sure, this might make a difference https://github.com/mesonbuild/meson/commit/1def456fc12a24c6b6438f9034176f3f5f6e3c5610:57
seb128let's see11:00
seb128ricotz, synced11:02
ricotzthanks11:03
seb128yw!11:03
seb128ricotz, no, new version still fails https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-artful/artful/armhf/m/meson/20170720_121838_98f2f@/log.gz13:08
ricotzseb128, yes, but with way less errors13:09
seb128still enough to be blocked13:09
ricotzI assume "test cases/common/126 llvm ir and assembly" needs the same treatment13:10
seb128can you report a bug upstream about that?13:10
ricotzping upstream on irc13:15
ricotzI pinged ...13:15
seb128on which channel?13:17
seb128let me know if he replies13:17
ricotz#mesonbuild13:18
seb128thanks13:19
seb128yeah for using new buggy buildsystems13:19
* seb128 looks at translation issues in gnome-software13:19
didrocksflexiondotorg: ok, reviewed on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1699334/comments/2, one small fix needed, the rest looks good to me13:19
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1699334 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] vala-panel-appmenu" [Wishlist,Confirmed]13:19
ricotzseb128, I assume you will push libreoffice 5.3.4 to artful to deal with the python transitions?13:20
seb128ricotz, what python transitions?13:21
ricotzpython 3.6 as default13:21
seb128and libreoffice 5.3.3 doesn't work with python 3.6?13:22
ricotzpython3-uno deps need to be updated which is done automatically on a rebuild13:22
seb128we could just do a no change upload then?13:23
seb128sorry but I don't know the libreoffice packaging and I've enough to do so I'm not going to try doing a version update13:24
ricotznot really due the i386 kernel-java failure13:24
seb128there is no point uploading it now anyway since the kernel/java/i386 still blocks us13:24
seb128well 5.3.4 would hit the same kernel bug no?13:24
ricotzI thought osomon gave you a package already?13:25
ricotzyes, but the packages would ignore the failure on i38613:25
seb128he did13:25
seb128but that ignore tests on i38613:26
seb128which is wrong/a workaround, that was plan B in case the kernel doesn't get fixed13:26
seb128but it seems it's getting fixed13:26
ricotzexactly, waiting for a fixed kernel seems to take longer13:26
seb128I asked them yesterday and the fix is uploaded and being verified13:26
mdeslauris someone going to fix libreoffice?13:27
ricotzoh, ok13:27
seb128mdeslaur, fix what?13:27
mdeslaurseb128: it ftbfs on i386 and is blocking a bunch of stuff13:27
seb128mdeslaur, read backlog13:27
seb128mdeslaur, it's a kernel bug13:27
mdeslauroh duh13:27
mdeslaursorry :)13:27
ricotzmdeslaur, seb128, btw poppler could use an upstream release update13:28
seb128ricotz, I'm ready to review a sponsoring request if you do the update :-)13:28
ricotzsaw all those cherry-picked CVE patches13:29
seb128I guess that was needed for the security upload anyway13:29
seb128poppler has the nice habit of changing its soname at every update13:30
seb128now might not be the best time to start another transition involving libreoffice13:30
ricotzI know, but 0.48 vs 0.56 ;)13:30
seb128yeah it's due an update13:32
ricotzwill take a look later13:32
mdeslaurzomg! a 9 month old pdf library! HOW WILL WE SURVIVE! ;)13:32
seb128thanks13:32
mdeslaurnew poppler is probably going to need an MIR for openjpeg btw13:34
seb128they made it a non optional depends?13:34
seb128mdeslaur, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjpeg/+bug/71106113:35
seb128fun times13:35
ubot5Ubuntu bug 711061 in openjpeg2 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] openjpeg2" [High,Confirmed]13:35
mdeslaurseb128: hrm, looks like you can still specify "unmaintained" to get the internal decoder: https://cgit.freedesktop.org/poppler/poppler/commit/?id=65c5a5266462244130f110599ac5d1011a04216e13:38
seb128or have no jpx decoding13:38
mdeslaurnow to decide if we'd like the crappy insecure internal one, or the crappy insecure external one?13:38
seb128that argue has been made in the MIR13:38
seb128argument13:40
mdeslaurlooks like upstream added fuzzing stuff to the tree, so perhaps sarnold could be convinced to reconsider13:41
* mdeslaur buys Starbucks gift card to bribe sarnold 13:41
seb128:-)13:42
flexiondotorgdidrocks Thanks. I'll get that sorted ASAP.13:43
seb128is anybody else finding https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=663725 really annoying?13:50
ubot5Gnome bug 663725 in overview "Text size of labels in activities too small and get ellipsized instead of wrapping" [Normal,New]13:50
jbichayes, it's a bit worse with the Ubuntu font too13:51
ricotzseb128, https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+sourcepub/8090839/+listing-archive-extra14:27
seb128ricotz, thanks14:30
seb128didrocks, you probably know but did we have https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=648000 on one of our lists of things we want?14:39
ubot5Gnome bug 648000 in general "Keyboard shortcuts for dash items" [Enhancement,New]14:39
seb128https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/413/dash-hotkeys/14:39
seb128hum, no kenvandine[m][m] around?14:40
Laneyoff14:40
seb128oh ok14:40
didrocksseb128: we don't have a trello card for it AFAIK, we should, indeed14:40
didrockswas on my personal -"stuff" list14:41
seb128k, let me add one14:41
kenvandine[m][m]vacation day today14:41
didrocksthx14:41
seb128or you can do it if you want14:41
* Laney shuts kenvandine[m][m] out14:41
seb128I don't want to steal your items14:41
seb128haha14:41
willcookethoughts on changing the lock shortcut back to super L instead of ctrl-alt-l>14:41
willcooke?14:41
seb128kenvandine[m][m], failing at it it seems :p14:41
seb128willcooke, we had both working no?14:41
willcookeseb128, not here, only ctrl-alt-;14:41
willcookel14:41
seb128I mean in unity14:42
seb128ideally we would have both for shell as well14:42
willcookeah, could be, I always used super l14:42
seb128I always used ctrl-alt-l14:42
LaneyI always use ctrl-alt-l14:42
* kenvandine[m][m] goes back to being off 😀14:42
willcooke:D14:42
Laneyso take that away on pain of death14:42
seb128kenvandine[m][m], enjoy14:42
willcookecan we do both?14:42
jbichawillcooke: not easy to do both14:43
willcookesuspected as much14:43
seb128I bet it's easy with an extension :p14:43
willcookenoooooo14:44
jbichaupstream suggested if we wanted to make a way to migrate gsettings from a string to an array…14:44
jbichahow about org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences mouse-button-modifier ? upstream uses Super instead of Alt14:45
seb128what does that do?14:45
seb128is that for key+click+dnd to move?14:45
jbichayes, but I'm not sure what all it does, LP: #1704580 is a complaint about Ubuntu's default14:47
ubot5Launchpad bug 1704580 in ubuntu-gnome-default-settings (Ubuntu) "mouse-button-modifier should default to Super" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/170458014:47
seb128didrocks, https://trello.com/c/pICT82rS/200-better-keyboard-navigation-for-the-launcher14:47
didrocksthanks!14:47
jbichaI'm sure some people won't like the change either :|14:48
seb128right14:49
willcookeoops:  http://imgur.com/a/NjUXa14:58
seb128somebody is giving us some orange14:58
willcooke:D14:59
willcookeright, off again, l8rs14:59
didrocksbut the bar below activity is still blue!!!14:59
seb128bye14:59
didrocksoutrageous14:59
didrockssee you willcooke14:59
seb128hum15:17
seb128it looks like that "location: not in use" in g-c-c privacy isn't what it says15:17
seb128by "not in use" they mean "used but the system only"15:18
seb128does it mean that if you don't want your system to hit a geolocation service you can't do that?15:18
seb128but->by15:20
seb128hum16:10
seb128typing a wrong password gives an unstranslated error16:10
didrockscancel16:11
didrocksunlock16:11
didrocksLog in as another user16:11
didrocksas well16:11
seb128"Sorry, that didn't work. Please try again"16:11
didrocksand I have "jeudi, juillet 20"16:11
seb128that I don't have :p16:11
didrocksbut I guess that's related to the other bug we talked about :p16:11
didrocksyeah ;)16:11
didrocksso yeah, quite some unstranslated strings16:12
seb128good news is that there is lot of small issues and polish things to work out16:12
seb128we are not going to get borred any time soon16:12
seb128I'm quite disappointed by the overall polish though, I though that due to tech debts unity would be behind16:12
seb128but it was actually still behaving quite nicely16:12
seb128I was playing with their launcher favorites as well it works but dnd of favorites and such is not as fancy as ours was16:13
seb128and no accordeon effect16:13
didrocksit can't be, I was the one coding those animations!16:13
didrocks(ah, not the accordeon)16:14
didrocksbut I claim the dnd :p16:14
seb128:-)16:14
seb128your chance to see if you still have the skills! :p16:15
didrocksbut but, it's css! :-)16:15
didrocks(well, I guess)16:15
seb128even better!16:16
sarnoldseb128: I'm hopeful that the openjpeg2 codebase has improved enough that it's no longer rididulous to consider promoting it18:11
sarnoldseb128: it'd be nice if someone from openjpeg2 team would confirm that they've fixed the ~thousand files I've found that crashed it18:12

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