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| didrocks | good morning | 06:21 |
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| duflu | Morning didrocks | 06:35 |
| didrocks | hey duflu | 06:35 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers, and happy friday | 06:37 |
| seb128 | hey duflu, how are you? | 06:37 |
| seb128 | re didrocks | 06:37 |
| duflu | Happy Friday seb128 (he says while balancing a heat pack on his sore head) | 06:37 |
| duflu | How are you? | 06:37 |
| didrocks | re seb128 | 06:38 |
| seb128 | I'm good, it's friday, weather is nice (sunny but not too hot) and I'm playing tennis tonight! | 06:39 |
| seb128 | duflu, bug #1705369 ... can we reliably tell in a video card/gpu is connected to something? | 06:51 |
| ubot5 | bug 1705369 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 17.10 boots to black screen when using Nvidia drivers (on a desktop with an Intel GPU)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1705369 | 06:51 |
| willcooke | morning all | 06:51 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke! how are you? | 06:51 |
| duflu | seb128, yes we did it in Mir, and any display server has to do it. Just takes effort | 06:51 |
| duflu | Hi willcooke | 06:51 |
| seb128 | duflu, ok, I was unsure if the system always had enough informations from the card/driver to tell e.g if there is a monitor connect to the vga output | 06:52 |
| didrocks | we did it as well in Nux | 06:53 |
| didrocks | maybe just blacklist unconditionnally nvidia drivers? | 06:53 |
| seb128 | I mean the display server does what it can with the info it has | 06:53 |
| didrocks | hey willcooke | 06:53 |
| seb128 | didrocks, the dual gpu case is a bit tricky | 06:54 |
| didrocks | yeah, I think | 06:54 |
| willcooke | didrocks, I added MATE to that list | 06:54 |
| didrocks | like "which one took over" | 06:54 |
| willcooke | that list = trello card for themes | 06:54 |
| didrocks | willcooke: you didn't lie, clicked on the tab, so it added :p | 06:54 |
| didrocks | willcooke: good one, if you come on with any other… | 06:54 |
| didrocks | s/so it/was/ | 06:55 |
| seb128 | who knew that themes would be a so trendy topic in 2017 | 06:55 |
| didrocks | it's the nice thing! | 06:55 |
| willcooke | didrocks, I'll have a think :) Also, I'm just rebuilding that snap having moved it to the desktop launcher | 06:55 |
| didrocks | now, about that input system which needs theming… :) | 06:55 |
| didrocks | willcooke: ah, you are handling the cleanup of that snap? | 06:55 |
| seb128 | :-p | 06:56 |
| didrocks | so, moving to the cloud parts | 06:56 |
| duflu | seb128, it's "easy". Just standard KMS logic for detecting if there is a monitor connected | 06:56 |
| willcooke | didrocks, welllllllllllll. Lemme see if I can make it work first - I might have questions | 06:56 |
| didrocks | sure :) | 06:56 |
| didrocks | willcooke: once we'll add all the themes, think about running "snapcraft update" or snapcraft will never pick the new definition | 06:56 |
| willcooke | didrocks, ack | 06:56 |
| didrocks | (but if we changed the remote code, it will pick it, which has interesting side-effects) | 06:56 |
| willcooke | and thanks for looking at that didrocks, seb128 | 06:56 |
| didrocks | snapcraft should really just tell you to refresh? | 06:56 |
| didrocks | …* | 06:57 |
| didrocks | yw! | 06:57 |
| seb128 | np! | 06:57 |
| seb128 | didrocks, how does it tell that code has changed? | 06:57 |
| didrocks | seb128: it doesn't, but source: https://github.com/… | 06:57 |
| didrocks | so, it always pull | 06:58 |
| didrocks | however, the part definition is cached | 06:58 |
| didrocks | I had the issue once when I changed the remote code (the make parameters to be passed) and thus, the parts definition | 06:58 |
| didrocks | got a lot of bug reports because people were rebuilding their snap without refreshing the remote part | 06:58 |
| didrocks | and so, failure to build | 06:59 |
| seb128 | right | 06:59 |
| seb128 | it's a bit tricky | 06:59 |
| didrocks | yep | 06:59 |
| didrocks | it should cache everything, included pointed resources | 06:59 |
| didrocks | or nothing | 06:59 |
| didrocks | not half of the thing | 06:59 |
| seb128 | hitting the internet at every build to check if the parts are outdated would be suboptimal as well | 06:59 |
| didrocks | yeah, that's why caching more could be an answer | 07:00 |
| didrocks | then, it can hit the Internet, in the background | 07:00 |
| didrocks | so that next command tells you "you have new stuff to refresh" | 07:00 |
| didrocks | that would be an improvement already IMHO | 07:00 |
| willcooke | log a bug, I'm sure Sergio will help | 07:00 |
| didrocks | willcooke: it's logged, discussed | 07:01 |
| didrocks | on the backlog list | 07:01 |
| willcooke | oh cool | 07:01 |
| didrocks | we even discussed it last october again IIRC | 07:01 |
| willcooke | I'll go speak to Sergio and see if he'll do us a solid ;) | 07:01 |
| didrocks | willcooke: that's why, even if we add those new themes, people not using the platform snap and rebuilding a snap locally (we won't have that issue on b.snapcraft.io) may still miss the themes in | 07:02 |
| didrocks | I prefer to be explicit about gotchas we can encounter :) | 07:02 |
| willcooke | Can someone in an Xorg gnome-shell recreate this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1705458 | 07:14 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1705458 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Mouse clicks pass through to window underneath" [Undecided,New] | 07:14 |
| willcooke | It feels like one of those "only me" bugs again | 07:14 |
| didrocks | willcooke: can't reproduce, indeed | 07:16 |
| willcooke | :) | 07:16 |
| didrocks | however, I have some other interesting bug | 07:17 |
| didrocks | like, if I reduce the window | 07:17 |
| didrocks | the popup goes a little bit over | 07:17 |
| didrocks | on the bottom | 07:17 |
| didrocks | but what's after is cut | 07:17 |
| didrocks | I guess it's because the popupover isn't its own X window | 07:18 |
| willcooke | bah, today it's gone. Even though I could re-create it after reboots yesterday | 07:23 |
| willcooke | seb128, Laney - polite reminder, could you update the newsletter GDoc today please? I can post to Wordpress if needed, but Laney also has an account I think | 07:25 |
| willcooke | didrocks, confirmed I think: http://imgur.com/a/4FgtF | 07:30 |
| andyrock | good morning | 07:30 |
| jibel | talking about weird bugs, bug 1705459 is annoying. Has anyone seen it with another app? | 07:31 |
| ubot5 | bug 1705459 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Cannot switch to another workspace when an sqlitebrowser window is open" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1705459 | 07:31 |
| willcooke | hey andyrock | 07:31 |
| didrocks | willcooke: yeah | 07:31 |
| didrocks | willcooke: I think it's the X window size at max (+ transparent borders) | 07:31 |
| didrocks | jibel: never (yet) | 07:32 |
| willcooke | didrocks, logged: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1705647 | 07:43 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1705647 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "File Open popover only shows half the popover" [Undecided,New] | 07:43 |
| flexiondotorg | Morning desktopers | 07:45 |
| seb128 | hey andyrock jibel flexiondotorg | 07:46 |
| didrocks | (confirmed) | 07:48 |
| jibel | morning seb128 | 07:56 |
| Laney | beeeeeeeeee gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodddddd | 08:01 |
| didrocks | heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Laneyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy | 08:02 |
| seb128 | goooooood moooorrrning Laney | 08:02 |
| Laney | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqtxl4Qc_7A | 08:05 |
| seb128 | heh | 08:08 |
| seb128 | Laney, how are you today? | 08:08 |
| Laney | hey seb128 | 08:14 |
| Laney | good thanks, happy it's friday! | 08:14 |
| Laney | you? | 08:14 |
| seb128 | same, friday and tennis day! | 08:15 |
| Laney | seb128 Federer | 08:16 |
| seb128 | haha | 08:18 |
| Trevinho | morning guys | 08:27 |
| Trevinho | I need your publishing powers for https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2874 | 08:28 |
| seb128 | hey Trevinho | 08:29 |
| Trevinho | hey seb128 how are you? | 08:29 |
| seb128 | the guy who only says hello to us when he needs something :-) | 08:29 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, I'm good! you? | 08:29 |
| Trevinho | Good... Working in a seaside pine forest today :) | 08:30 |
| seb128 | nice | 08:30 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, what's that .upgrade doing? | 08:30 |
| Trevinho | seb128: it's updating the default settings for an user that has already installed unity | 08:32 |
| Trevinho | so basically if the profile has already been created the settings are updated | 08:33 |
| Trevinho | basically a migration script | 08:33 |
| Trevinho | compiz-style | 08:33 |
| seb128 | k | 08:33 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, published | 08:34 |
| Trevinho | ta | 08:34 |
| seb128 | yw | 08:34 |
| seb128 | could somebody try this to me on artful | 08:51 |
| seb128 | on the gdm screen (either before log in, or lock screen and click "use different user") | 08:52 |
| seb128 | type a wrong password and when the error is displayed hit "esc" directly on your keyboard while it's still on screen | 08:52 |
| seb128 | do you end up with a password entry on top of the user description as well? | 08:53 |
| andyrock | seb128: checking | 08:54 |
| andyrock | seb128: yep | 08:55 |
| seb128 | andyrock, thanks | 08:56 |
| seb128 | jamesh, nice snapcraft post about desktop needs! | 08:58 |
| jamesh | seb128: thanks. Is there anything you'd like me to add? | 08:58 |
| jamesh | I tried to start each task with what we need rather than railroad it to a particular solution. | 08:59 |
| seb128 | jamesh, I think you covered the important topics, I'm looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu//+bugs?field.tag=snap-desktop-issue but I'm not sure other things are worth mentioning | 09:01 |
| seb128 | jamesh, we eventually need to resolve bug #1583250 at some point, not sure if that's worth putting on the list though | 09:02 |
| ubot5 | bug 1583250 in Snapcraft "upstream use of build-time defined PREFIX or DATADIR incompatible with snaps relocation" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1583250 | 09:02 |
| didrocks | jamesh: yeah, that one needs to be listed in ^ | 09:02 |
| seb128 | jamesh, we currently build our GNOME snaps with an hacked prefix=/snap/$name/current/usr and use organize | 09:02 |
| seb128 | to move things back to the right location | 09:03 |
| didrocks | I heard that snap location are different on other distros | 09:03 |
| didrocks | so the same snap would fail | 09:03 |
| seb128 | but that makes things depends on /snap to be the location | 09:03 |
| didrocks | better to have it said before :) | 09:03 |
| seb128 | which seems is not true on other distros | 09:03 |
| jamesh | seb128, didrocks: I'll add that. | 09:05 |
| didrocks | thx! :) | 09:06 |
| seb128 | jamesh, thanks | 09:07 |
| jamesh | didrocks: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/ubuntu-desktop-team-priorities/1397 <- does that look okay? | 09:15 |
| didrocks | jamesh: on the themes, you can maybe reference our google doc? | 09:16 |
| jamesh | sure. | 09:16 |
| didrocks | thx | 09:16 |
| seb128 | jamesh, on the relocation the snappy team position is that "/snap" is an implementation detail and could change and that we shouldn't rely on it | 09:17 |
| seb128 | and it's change on e.g fedora I think | 09:17 |
| seb128 | because it's against the fhs and they put it under /run or something | 09:17 |
| didrocks | but the "prefix" hack which is required with many upstream projects were the only recommendation they can give at the time | 09:19 |
| jamesh | seb128: maybe we suggest people get their app working with strict confinement then? :) | 09:19 |
| jamesh | who cares where the snap appears on the host file system if it is at /snap inside the sandbox? | 09:19 |
| jamesh | (or is it also under /run in the sandbox on Fedora?) | 09:20 |
| seb128 | jamesh, you mean? | 09:20 |
| didrocks | jamesh: it's not in /snap, it's in /snap/<snap_name>/current/ | 09:20 |
| didrocks | on ubuntu | 09:20 |
| seb128 | didrocks, which is under /snap :p | 09:20 |
| didrocks | and somewhere else on other distros | 09:20 |
| seb128 | jamesh, I don't think the sandbox does magic to remap it as /snap | 09:20 |
| didrocks | correct, but still depends on snap_name and path | 09:20 |
| jamesh | didrocks, seb128 was saying that snapd on fedora doesn't put snaps under /snap/<package>/current. I was wondering whether that was only on the host file system, or also in the sandbox | 09:21 |
| jamesh | didrocks: since a strict confined snap won't see the host file system anyway | 09:21 |
| didrocks | jamesh: ah, I guess we only talk about the sanbdox | 09:21 |
| didrocks | jamesh: well, snap isn't like that | 09:21 |
| didrocks | if you snap run --shell | 09:21 |
| didrocks | you will see /snap/* | 09:21 |
| didrocks | you just can't access to other directories | 09:21 |
| didrocks | apart from /snap/<your_snap_name>/<your_version> | 09:22 |
| seb128 | didrocks, well, the question is to know if fedora patches snappy to not create a /snappy on the fs but use /run/snappy what is the dir in the sandboxes env? | 09:23 |
| seb128 | is that /run/snappy as well | 09:23 |
| seb128 | or is the sandbox relocating to /snap? | 09:23 |
| didrocks | only zygmunt can answer to that I guess | 09:23 |
| seb128 | right | 09:23 |
| seb128 | because if the sandbox relocates than the prefix to /snap works | 09:24 |
| didrocks | for anything running apparmor, what you see outside is what yo uhave inside | 09:24 |
| didrocks | due to how the tech work | 09:24 |
| didrocks | (paths should be the same, apparmor is outside the sandbox and path-based) | 09:24 |
| didrocks | I don't know if they have clever tricks for fedora | 09:24 |
| seb128 | I guess not | 09:25 |
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| didrocks | willcooke: mind looking at https://trello.com/c/9cYd1a02/201-add-more-themes-in-desktop-part-and-gnome-platform last comment and giving a ack/nack? | 09:33 |
| willcooke | didrocks, wow. I thought it would be bigger, but not that much bigger. | 09:36 |
| immu | currently its using my laptop's internal mic | 09:37 |
| willcooke | So, I suggest we keep a base version as we have, and an "expanded" one which you've just built? | 09:37 |
| immu | oops | 09:37 |
| didrocks | willcooke: hum | 09:38 |
| didrocks | willcooke: then, people will complain "my snap does work, no this one doesn't" | 09:38 |
| immu | hey willcooke :) | 09:38 |
| didrocks | and we will keep getting into those discussions | 09:38 |
| didrocks | so it's either we add them, or none | 09:39 |
| didrocks | IMHO | 09:39 |
| didrocks | seb128: thoughts? ^ | 09:39 |
| willcooke | didrocks, thats a good point, but "all" seems too big to me | 09:39 |
| didrocks | willcooke: we took the popular ones, not all | 09:39 |
| didrocks | mate alone is a +35M | 09:39 |
| seb128 | willcooke, didrocks, it's a "can't win" situation | 09:39 |
| didrocks | +1 | 09:40 |
| seb128 | willcooke, having 2 versions put us back where we are today, you can bundle thems but snap author don't do it | 09:40 |
| didrocks | and so, those tweets will keep coming | 09:40 |
| seb128 | the equivalent post change is going to be "they picked the version with less depends to avoid the cost" | 09:40 |
| seb128 | and we still are in the same situation | 09:40 |
| didrocks | exactly | 09:40 |
| didrocks | this is the reason why we argued for theme snaps with seb128 to be the proper solution | 09:41 |
| didrocks | which requires what is on our gdoc to be implemented | 09:41 |
| didrocks | this is the additional list we took: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25138289/ | 09:43 |
| didrocks | you can see there isn't even elementary theme | 09:43 |
| didrocks | (so it's +9 themes compared to what we have today) | 09:44 |
| willcooke | kk | 09:50 |
| willcooke | so I feel like that extra size is probably too much, wdyt? | 09:51 |
| * didrocks feels it too, also increased build time | 09:51 | |
| seb128 | willcooke, size is a bit much but I would rather be concerned by the triple build time | 09:51 |
| willcooke | ack | 09:52 |
| didrocks | platform snap would be ok IMHO as it's only in one spot, BUT I feel the inconsistency between "bundling everything" experience and using the platform will give strange messages | 09:52 |
| seb128 | we could find a way to improve the build time issue | 09:52 |
| seb128 | but not the size one | 09:52 |
| didrocks | (at extra maintenance cost) | 09:52 |
| willcooke | So how about just: Mate, arc, numix? | 09:53 |
| seb128 | the first one is 35M by itself | 09:53 |
| didrocks | until we get to the next request? | 09:53 |
| willcooke | humm, maybe not worth it then | 09:54 |
| didrocks | which was already what happened when shipping ambiance/radiance + adwaita dark & white | 09:54 |
| alexarnaud | Hello all :) ! | 09:54 |
| seb128 | hey alexarnaud | 09:54 |
| didrocks | morning alexarnaud | 09:54 |
| alexarnaud | seb128, didrocks: how are you? | 09:54 |
| didrocks | alexarnaud: good, thanks, yourself? | 09:54 |
| seb128 | good, you? | 09:54 |
| alexarnaud | good :) | 09:54 |
| didrocks | willcooke: so, we just archive that card for now? I can push to a branch if needed. | 09:58 |
| alexarnaud | I've a little question. Hui Wang tells on the pulseaudio-discuss ML that Ubuntu has a GUI to handle jack selection when the jack plug works for input and output. What is the name of the GUI? Where can I find it ? | 09:58 |
| alexarnaud | https://www.mail-archive.com/pulseaudio-discuss@lists.freedesktop.org/msg17876.html | 09:58 |
| willcooke | didrocks, oki thanks for looking in to it - useful stats | 09:58 |
| immu | alexarnaud, i also have realtek sound and a dell alienware14 laptop | 10:01 |
| immu | upon plugging in the headphone jack no sound output is present | 10:03 |
| immu | but upon plugging in the headset i get full bass filed soundoutput | 10:03 |
| alexarnaud | immu: do you see the pop-up? Do you know its name? | 10:04 |
| immu | nope i don't see other then a popup sound bar type notification | 10:04 |
| immu | none i just tried | 10:05 |
| immu | in windows i get asked what have i plugged in | 10:05 |
| alexarnaud | immu: As I understand you don't have the wanted behavior. | 10:07 |
| alexarnaud | https://www.mail-archive.com/pulseaudio-discuss@lists.freedesktop.org/msg17902.html | 10:07 |
| alexarnaud | What is the process to discuss technical stuff with Hui Wang ? | 10:07 |
| seb128 | alexarnaud, email him? | 10:08 |
| seb128 | or report a bug on launchpad | 10:08 |
| immu | i had filed a bug but after something the discussion dried up | 10:09 |
| alexarnaud | immu: are you on the pulseaudio-discess ML? | 10:09 |
| immu | Realtek ALC3661 | 10:09 |
| alexarnaud | seb128: thanks, good idea. | 10:09 |
| immu | alexarnaud, Realtek ALC3661 | 10:09 |
| immu | i had filed a bug on launchpad and bugzillaaa | 10:10 |
| seb128 | alexarnaud, the corresponding code is https://code.launchpad.net/~diwic/unity-settings-daemon/what-did-you-plug-in/+merge/206915 | 10:11 |
| alexarnaud | seb128: thanks :) ! | 10:11 |
| seb128 | alexarnaud, GNOME has a similar feature but different implementation so things are worth re-testing on artful | 10:12 |
| seb128 | alexarnaud, yw | 10:12 |
| seb128 | alexarnaud, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-settings-daemon-team/unity-settings-daemon/trunk/files/head:/plugins/media-keys/what-did-you-plug-in/ | 10:13 |
| alexarnaud | thanks again :). | 10:14 |
| davidcalle | didrocks: no more GDocs tutorials, everything has been converted to MD, just merged the last one \o/ | 10:17 |
| didrocks | davidcalle: excellent! My md parser didn't need any change thus? | 10:18 |
| didrocks | or missing features ? | 10:18 |
| didrocks | compared to the gdoc one | 10:18 |
| davidcalle | didrocks: I think we have a (reasonably small) list of bugs yet to file (mostly line breaks handling I think, but we discussed that already), and no missing features, no | 10:20 |
| didrocks | sweet! | 10:20 |
| didrocks | the line breaks handling was a tradeoff if you remember our discussion | 10:20 |
| davidcalle | I do, and I explained it to the rest of the docs team | 10:20 |
| didrocks | good :) | 10:20 |
| immu | alexarnaud, do you have ALC3661 | 10:23 |
| immu | ? | 10:23 |
| flexiondotorg | seb128 Thanks for helping alexarnaud. He is discussing this feature with MATE developers. | 12:19 |
| flexiondotorg | seb128 alex has a specific interest in a11y and this would be a useful feature for his organisation :-) | 12:19 |
| seb128 | flexiondotorg, yw | 13:16 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, hey, did the gedit snap got published? | 14:24 |
| * kenvandine double check | 14:26 | |
| kenvandine | +s | 14:26 |
| kenvandine | seb128, whoops... i had forgotten to publish it after the manual review was approved :) | 14:27 |
| kenvandine | seb128, it's in edge now | 14:27 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, thanks | 14:27 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i'm going to push them all to stable today | 14:27 |
| kenvandine | after a round of testing | 14:27 |
| seb128 | nice | 14:28 |
| seb128 | what is the list of apps you published? | 14:28 |
| kenvandine | gedit, gnome-sudoku, quadrapassel, gnome-dictionary, gnome-calculator, and gnome-clocks | 14:30 |
| kenvandine | working on gnome-maps now | 14:30 |
| kenvandine | also have wip of gnome-contacts | 14:30 |
| kenvandine | folks issues iirc | 14:30 |
| kenvandine | i had to backport libchamplain this morning for gnome-maps | 14:31 |
| seb128 | thanks | 14:33 |
| kenvandine | seb128, any opinions about adding gjs to the platform snap? | 15:11 |
| jackpot51 | All, I am trying to merge patches to gnome-initial-setup and gnome-control-center for supporting encrypted home. So far, no one has commented on the patches. | 15:15 |
| jackpot51 | Please take a look and comment here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/accountsservice/+bug/1699216 | 15:15 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1699216 in gnome-initial-setup (Ubuntu) "Encrypted home support" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 15:15 |
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| Laney | night all | 17:16 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I think I would be -1 on gjs but need to look at what GNOME does and think a bit more about it | 17:19 |
| seb128 | night Laney & desktopers | 17:19 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i had avoided adding gjs | 17:21 |
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