[00:32] <mwhudson> so this isn't intimidating AT ALL: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/artful/update_excuses.html#python3-defaults
[00:34] <sarnold> honestly that's a lot more Pass results than I expected
[00:35] <sarnold> "python-oslo.messaging/5.28.0-0ubuntu1" ... I thought openstack had decided to stick with python 2.7?
[00:36] <sarnold> why's all the openstack stuff being run against python3?
[00:36] <blahdeblah> that sounds like a poor life choice
[00:37] <sarnold> hey some people like to rip off their bandages all at once and some people prefer to pull it off slowly little by little.. each their own :)
[00:47] <mwhudson> sarnold: yeah the pass rate is pretty good, it's the sheer scale that's a bit offputting
[00:47] <tsimonq2> I honestly don't get why Python 2.7 is still around... maybe I'm just too young to remember the pre-Python 3 (that rhymed...) days
[00:47] <mwhudson> openstack itself is python 2 only for now, but the dependencies all build for python 3 (or don't) in preparation i believe
[00:47] <tsimonq2> I installed Arch on a system the other day and it was unpleasant to figure out the hard way that some of my scripts are Python 2.7-specific...
[00:48] <mwhudson> having /usr/bin/python be python 3 is just evil and wrong though
[00:48] <tsimonq2> Why though? I don't get it... :P
[00:49] <blahdeblah> fo0bar_: ^ Is there an echo in here? :-)
[01:10] <Unit193> sarnold: Still with me?
[01:15] <tsimonq2> I can't poke my usual sponsor for this one... could someone please review and/or upload the patches attached to bug 1641912?
[01:16] <tsimonq2> (that sentence is flawed, why would someone blindly upload...?)
[01:18] <tsimonq2> (reason being, this needs a Core Developer)
[02:27] <sarnold> Unit193: sorry, stepped out for a dogwalk and then apparently a nap :)
[02:28] <sarnold> tsimonq2: I got tired of python's constant "you're doing it wrong" way before 2.7 was even released. I figured everyone else would have given up on it too well before 3.0 days. I figured 3.0 was going to kill python entirely.
[02:46] <mwhudson> python3-defaults migration actually not that bad
[02:46] <mwhudson> about half of them are failures because of
[02:46] <mwhudson> python3-forge        FAIL stderr: /usr/bin/py3versions:57: DeprecationWarning: invalid escape sequence \d
[03:05] <infinity> sarnold: Turns out that people like to be told what they want.  That's why Python beat Perl, GNOME beat KDE, and iThings took over the world.
[03:07] <sarnold> infinity: sarbuntu's going to be awesome! just vim, mutt, urxvt, firefox pre-loaded with pentadactyl, and we'll take over the world!
[03:08] <blahdeblah> I, for one, welcome our new sarnold overlord
[03:09] <sarnold> huzzah!
[03:09] <infinity> sarnold: I feel like you might need a window manager to move your terminals and firefoxes around.
[03:09] <sarnold> infinity: yeah, but i'm not a monster. i3 or dwm.
[03:10] <sarnold> also irssi. I forgot irssi.
[03:10] <sarnold> anyway time for dinner :)
[03:11] <sarnold> (man they're going to love rust. loads of rules.)
[03:11] <infinity> sarnold: Other than urxvt (I used gnome-terminal "because it's there", and due to some strange sense of responsibility to dogfood), you've described literally my entire setup.
[03:12] <infinity> sarnold: Oh, except for mosh.  Can't live without mosh in that mix.
[03:12] <infinity> (because my irssi and mutt are remote)
[04:58] <Unit193> sarnold: Heh, well too late now! :P
[04:59] <Unit193> (Because you're no longer up.)
[05:14] <cpaelzer> bdmurray: I round to weeks, checking in on wednesday mostly
[05:15] <cpaelzer> bdmurray: so it was too early this week (s wednesday)
[05:15] <cpaelzer> bdmurray: but will be next week
[05:15] <cpaelzer> bdmurray: sorry for that math simplification confusing you
[05:35] <marco25> any plans on fixing this bug?? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1656065
[05:35] <marco25> ubuntu 17.04 is a peice of crap in case you guys want feedback
[05:38] <marco25> you guys need to make an installer than can downgrade easily to 16.04 for the punishment i have endured
[05:46] <marco25> please just call non lts beta...thats basically what is
[05:47] <marco25> so tonight you wonderful ubuntu devs...go into the website and where you see non lts programs you can put beta
[05:47] <marco25> there
[05:47] <marco25> THANKS!!!
[05:48] <rbasak> Four people reporting affected since January? That's hardly a major problem.
[05:50] <rbasak>  kernel: [31159.073997] [<c10fd30c>] oom_kill_process+0x5c/0x80
[05:50] <marco25> ROFL
[05:50] <marco25> you mean that bug
[05:50] <rbasak> That's an out of memory condition.
[05:50] <rbasak> Not a bug.
[05:50] <marco25> well we can talk about the other bug that was freezing my pc for about 2 months..
[05:50] <marco25> that had like hundreds of comments
[05:50] <rbasak> Please do it in #ubuntu.
[05:51] <rbasak> Unless you're here to help fix a bug.
[05:51] <marco25> well the other bug says 4 people...that is obviously not everyone cause it effects me and my name aint there..
[05:51] <marco25> i wish you would fix that bug it was reported in january
[05:53] <rbasak> I've closed the bug as Invalid.
[05:53] <marco25> out of memory not a bug so how you propose i fix it ...?
[05:53] <marco25> rofl
[05:53] <marco25> wow you are helpful..
[05:54] <rbasak> See my comment in the bug. It links to an essay which explains why the bug report is not actionable.
[05:54] <marco25> you should close ubuntu 17.04 zesty as invalid
[05:54] <marco25> my memory is fine
[05:54] <marco25> you notice everyone is on zesty right? ding ding ding
[05:55] <marco25> i can look at it
[05:55] <marco25> its probably zesty though just saying
[05:57] <marco25> your joking by that link right?
[05:57] <marco25> what more you want than the error reported in the kernel log?
[05:58] <marco25> and everyone is using zesty?
[05:58] <rbasak> Full steps to reproduce please.
[05:58] <marco25> its random..
[05:58] <marco25> no particular website
[06:00] <rbasak> Honestly, I think a bug report is the wrong place for you to get help with this.
[06:00] <rbasak> You don't yet know if the problem is a bug or not.
[06:00] <rbasak> And community helpers don't hang around in the bug tracker. They hang around in places like #ubuntu and askubuntu.com.
[06:01] <rbasak> The bug is also very confusing, mentioning 16.04 as well, and apparmor even though apparmor in Firefox is not enforcing by default.
[06:06] <marco25> i think they mentioned apparmor because he thought it may have something to do with it
[06:08] <rbasak> Perhaps, but as apparmor isn't enforcing on Firefox by default, we hardly have steps to reproduce.
[06:10] <marco25> i tried to tell #ubuntu when my pc was freezing it was zesty that didnt believe me either sigh
[06:11] <marco25> until they saw a trouble ticket with hundreds of comments..that got the ball rolling
[06:14] <rbasak> A large proportion of "my system went wrong" reports turn out to be users misconfiguring their systems in some way. So it isn't productive to treat these as bugs that need fixing by developers until it is clear that there is actually a bug in the first place.
[06:15] <rbasak> Some of these could be treated as bugs of the type "the system would be more resilient to the user doing <X>", and we'll happily accept those reports, but they're hardly sky-falling type bugs.
[07:40] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, I'm going to fix sane-backends
[08:12] <ginggs> make sane-backends sane again!
[09:47] <nacc> Laney: are you planning on doing a debhelper merge soonish?
[09:48] <Laney> nacc: not in particular
[09:48] <Laney> if you want to take it off my hands, feel free - otherwise I can put it on my list for next week
[09:48] <nacc> Laney: ok, i can do it, some debian packages are starting to get deps on newer dh it seems, thanks!
[09:49] <Unit193> nacc: Mason support desired?
[09:50] <Laney> we have that
[09:51] <nacc> Unit193: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=866978
[09:51] <nacc> Unit193: they did a fix in freeradius, and then dropped it by debhelper fixing it but now depend on that fix being present
[09:53] <Laney> keeping up is a good idea
[09:53] <Laney> the merge itself should be easy enough
[09:53] <Laney> owning any regressions in ubuntu, however, ... :)
[09:54] <Laney> 10.4 was a bit bumpy
[09:54] <nacc> Laney: yep, i'll take it on (will at least file a bug today, i may not get to the merge until first thing next week (after a few swap days))
[09:54] <nacc> Laney: yeah, I'll try and read through everything in the changelog to be prepared :)
[09:56] <Laney> nacc: ok, I've written it on my list - I'll claim the bug if I get there before you
[09:56] <Laney> thanks for the poke
[10:00] <nacc> Laney: np
[10:00] <nacc> Laney: thank you!
[10:02] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks, I have some transitions blocked by debhelper too
[10:03] <Laney> LocutusOfBorg: you can also feel free to do it
[10:03] <Laney> :-)
[10:03] <LocutusOfBorg> I was going to ask you some days ago, but then I moved to something else
[10:03] <LocutusOfBorg> you know, breaking debhelper is something I'll be happy to put on my CV
[10:04]  * LocutusOfBorg pun intended
[10:26] <mwhudson> hmm i see quite a few 'temporary failure in name resolution's on armhf autopkgtest
[10:32] <Laney> yep
[10:33] <Laney> going to abuse stgraber into looking at that with me when I see him at debconf :-)
[11:43] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: thank you for sane-backends!
[11:46] <jbicha> hmm, we're going to need another sane-backends upload though for Debian RC bugs
[12:02] <Bluefoxicy> heh how useless
[12:02] <Bluefoxicy> suspend doesn't work from the log-in screen in 17.04. Log into gnome-shell, suspend from the menu.
[12:06] <jbicha> Bluefoxicy: there are some hidden ways to suspend from the login screen LP: #1697143
[12:06] <jbicha> close your laptop lid, long-press the Power button in the top right of the screen, or hold Alt and press that Power button
[12:07] <Bluefoxicy> jbicha:  desktop doesn't have a lid.
[12:08] <Bluefoxicy> and you can hold alt and press power in gnome shell
[12:08] <Bluefoxicy> but on the log-in  screen—you know, where you enter your password to get to the desktop?—there's a Suspend thing in the menu
[12:08] <Bluefoxicy> that doesn't work.
[12:08] <Bluefoxicy> you have to log in before you can suspend
[12:09] <Bluefoxicy> apparently it won't auto-suspend from the log-in screen, either
[12:09] <Bluefoxicy> so if it's suspended and you lose power, then it'll come back up and just stay on until someone logs in
[12:10] <Bluefoxicy> work time
[12:42] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, I don't know if the fix was sane or not
[12:43] <jbicha> heh
[12:43] <jbicha> LP: #1705691 points to the remaining issues
[12:49] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, can't you nmu in debian and then sync?
[12:52] <jbicha> I'm not a DD yet
[12:52] <LocutusOfBorg> I can sponsor
[12:52] <jbicha> sane-backends isn't syncable without https://bugs.debian.org/868265
[12:52] <LocutusOfBorg> just give me a debdiff
[12:53] <LocutusOfBorg> true...
[12:53] <LocutusOfBorg> so, fix the 4 bugs and ask me to sponsor
[12:59] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, in your opinion: can we avoid a transition by adding something like: Provides: libsane?
[12:59] <LocutusOfBorg> to libsane1
[13:03] <cjwatson> Does anyone remember where the page with pie charts with most frequent uploaders to each Ubuntu release was?  I seem to have lost it
[13:06] <xnox> cjwatson, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~stefanor/+junk/ubuntu-activity/files is the code for it, it used to be on people.ubuntuwire.org done by tumbleweed
[13:06] <LocutusOfBorg> sorry Laney I'm giving up wrt debhelper, it was trivial, but now it fails on repack
[13:06] <cjwatson> ubuntu-activity, that was the keyword I needed to search logs
[13:07] <cjwatson> http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~stefanor/ubuntu-activity/ stops at yakkety though
[13:07] <cjwatson> xnox: thanks
[13:07] <xnox> some of it seems to work, but i guess the underlying ubuntuwire database is dead / stopped due to ubuntuwire outage =/
[13:08] <xnox> maybe wgrant or tumbleweed or Laney know more
[13:11] <smoser> anyone have an idea.... prior to artful (and probably using gdm3/gnome) i had a bluetooth headset that pretty much "just worked".
[13:12] <smoser> now, i turn it on, the bluetooth icon shows up in the panel at the top.. its definitely connected, but the audio wizard doesn't show it, so i can't put any sound through it or use its mic.
[13:12] <smoser> anyone seen this ?
[13:25] <seb128> smoser, by "wizard" you mean settings?
[13:26] <seb128> smoser, and no, a stack of bluetooth and pulseaudio issue got fixed and it's supposed to work much better than it used
[13:35] <smoser> yeah
[13:35] <smoser> wizard.
[13:35] <smoser> where did i come up with that word
[13:37] <smoser> seb128, yeah, gnome settings 'audio' button
[13:43] <seb128> smoser, what about control center -> audio panel ?
[13:47] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: I don't know (about Provides avoiding transition)
[13:47] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, dropped symbols, needs transition
[13:47] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm uploading shortly
[13:52] <wgrant> xnox, cjwatson: ubuntu-activity fixed.
[13:53] <wgrant> udd got a bit big.
[13:53] <wgrant> needed some RAM shuffling
[13:53] <LocutusOfBorg> stefanor might need to rerun the script now?
[13:54] <LocutusOfBorg> does it have a cronjob?
[13:54] <wgrant> LocutusOfBorg: I already have.
[13:54] <wgrant> The page shows artful now.
[13:54] <cjwatson> oh, cool, thanks
[13:54] <LocutusOfBorg> maybe my ff cache needs a kick :D thanks
[13:54] <cjwatson> gosh, that's quite significant, Canonical/community upload ratio dropped below 50% in the zesty cycle for the first time
[13:55] <cjwatson> I guess mostly because LocutusOfBorg started doing Haskell transitions, but still :-)
[13:55] <wgrant> Heh
[13:55] <LocutusOfBorg> remove haskell from that chart!
[13:56] <doko> mwhudson: I setup http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/python3.6.html
[13:56] <smoser> seb128, what is that ? i'm sorry i just dont know the right words.
[13:57] <LocutusOfBorg> one day Ill undertand why I'm on that graph both with my name and nick
[13:57] <smoser> i click panel (on top) -> settings icon -> it pops up a window 'All Settings'. i click 'Sound'
[13:58] <seb128> smoser, right, that's the settings panel
[13:58] <seb128> smoser, I though you were just trying to use the indicator
[13:58] <Faux> Ooh, I see an ssl1.1 transition on there. Is it going to happen before 18.04?
[14:00] <smoser> seb i think that pulse audio just doesn't see it. the bluetooth settings shows it and shows 'Connected'
[14:01] <tsimonq2> sarnold: Wow, OK.
[14:02] <smoser> but 'pactl list' doesn't show anything
[14:06] <smoser> does anyone have pulseaudio/gnome/bluetooth working on artful ?
[14:07] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, sane-backends uploaded
[14:07] <LocutusOfBorg> can you please give it a look?
[14:09] <jbicha> you could probably just use << 1.0.27 for your breaks/replaces
[14:20] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: btw, it FTBFS on non-amd64
[14:41] <LocutusOfBorg> sigh
[14:43] <LocutusOfBorg> reuploaded
[14:43] <LocutusOfBorg> I tested amd64 only lol
[14:46] <Laney> that's one way to stay at the top of the upload chart
[14:47] <LocutusOfBorg> I was fixing the upgrade path issue, so I did two builds, old-new
[14:47] <LocutusOfBorg> btw I wouldn't have spotted that bug even by doing an i386 build, because by default pbuilder does arch all+any
[14:54] <tsimonq2> Laney: Any chance you could take a look at my patches on bug 1641912? I see you're the most recent uploader in Zesty and Artful.
[14:58] <Laney> tsimonq2: ok - but probably not today
[15:01] <tsimonq2> Laney: Sure :)
[15:41] <ginggs> tsimonq2: i'm looking at nodejs now
[15:48] <tsimonq2> ginggs: Wonderful.
[15:48] <tsimonq2> ginggs: Meaning, my patch merging from Debian or on your own? Either works. ;)
[15:50] <ginggs> ginggs: i mean i'm looking your merge of nodejs now
[15:50] <ginggs> tsimonq2: even ^
[15:50] <tsimonq2> ginggs: ack, thanks :)
[15:59] <tsimonq2> ginggs: Oh shoot, I didn't see the merge was that new...
[15:59] <ginggs> tsimonq2: what do you mean?
[16:01] <tsimonq2> ginggs: I got the merge off of merges.ubuntu.com and didn't see that it was only 2 days old
[16:01] <tsimonq2> ginggs: I'll usually wait a couple of days to make sure I'm not duplicating work, and since I don't have archive upload access (yet), I'll have to use bug reports for now, and not everybody checks those before uploading...
[16:02] <ginggs> tsimonq2: nothing wrong with that, and i had written 'feel free to take' in the comments column of https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[16:02] <tsimonq2> ginggs: Oh ok, just wanted to make sure ;)
[16:06] <tsimonq2> And now I remember, that's why I took it :P
[16:18] <ginggs> tsimonq2: uploaded, thanks for the merge! - that should keep the autopkgtesters busy for most of the weekend
[16:28] <tsimonq2> ginggs: Thanks :D
[16:28] <tsimonq2> ginggs: I'll keep my eye on it
[16:31] <bmw> rbasak: in case you didn't see it, I put instructions for how to run integration tests on proposed certbot updates in the bug on launchpad
[16:33] <rbasak> bmw: I saw it, thanks! Sorry I haven't managed to look at it yet. It's in my queue.
[16:33] <bmw> great! just wanted to follow up
[18:10] <sarnold> infinity: hah, yes, mosh is double-plus good. I couldn't tolerate gnome-terminal well enough to even dogfood it. :( (unity in xenial's finally pretty good, it almost pretends to be a tabbed window manager, and it hasn't forgotten any settings in ages)
[18:12] <tumbleweed> cjwatson: I wouldn't really trust the canonical vs non-canoical data in ubuntu-activity
[18:12] <tumbleweed> it's full of thumbsuck, and doesn't understand that people move in and out of canonical
[18:14] <tsimonq2> Logan: Hey there, so I was just looking at kanatest and I was wondering if it was force syncable or if we still need to maintain part of the delta. Debian created a patch that applied part of our delta but not all of it. You're the last uploader in Ubuntu so I wanted to see what you thought. :)
[18:14] <tsimonq2> Logan: Here's the patch that Debian has now: https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-games/packages/trunk/kanatest/debian/patches/remove-DISABLE_DEPRECATED-flags.patch?view=markup
[18:15] <cjwatson> tumbleweed: fair enough
[18:16] <tsimonq2> Logan: It completely removes "-DGDK_PIXBUF_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DGDK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED" in Debian but in Ubuntu we remove "-DGDK_PIXBUF_DISABLE_DEPRECATED" in two different places. Thoughts?