[05:47] <didrocks> good morning
[07:19] <andyrock> good morning
[07:22] <didrocks> hey andyrock
[07:23] <duflu> Morning didrocks, andyrock
[07:23] <andyrock> hey didrocks duflu
[07:23] <duflu> didrocks, andyrock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUbQDywgOOg
[07:24] <duflu> All the rocks
[07:24] <didrocks> hey duflu!
[07:24] <didrocks> unavailable video here
[07:24] <duflu> Boo
[07:25] <duflu> didrocks, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFLyU9g50yk
[07:26] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:26] <seb128> hey andyrock duflu didrocks
[07:26] <duflu> Hey seb128
[07:26] <seb128> how is everyone today?
[07:26] <andyrock> :D
[07:26] <andyrock> hey seb128
[07:26] <andyrock> I slept on a bus but ready to start :D
[07:26] <duflu> Not bad
[07:27] <duflu> andyrock, was it a moving bus or stationary?
[07:27] <flexiondotorg> Morning Desktopers
[07:27] <andyrock> moving, I travelled during the night back to home
[07:28] <didrocks> re seb128, morning flexiondotorg
[07:28] <andyrock> *back home
[07:28] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg
[07:28] <duflu> Morning flexiondotorg
[07:28] <seb128> andyrock, you let Trevinho behind?
[07:28] <andyrock> few days ago
[07:28] <seb128> I hope your hackfest week was nice
[07:28] <andyrock> I spent the we with my brother in Bologna and monday too
[07:29] <andyrock> eating tortellini :D
[07:29] <andyrock> we need to organize a sprint there (in Marco's country house)
[07:31] <seb128> :-)
[07:31] <duflu> Different Marco?
[07:32] <andyrock> Marco = Trevinho
[07:36] <amano> @duflu: Thanks for diving so deep in the gstreamer sinks ;)
[07:36] <didrocks> speaking of sinks, am I the only one having multiple pulseaudio out sinks?
[07:37] <didrocks> (like some of your local server)
[07:37] <duflu> amano, No problem it was fruitful in the end. I'm now trying to make it less of a hack
[07:37] <alexarnaud> Hello all :) !
[07:37] <didrocks> sounds like g-s-d or something is always setting the last detected one as default for media keys
[07:37] <didrocks> and it's annoying :p
[07:37] <didrocks> (I didn't get that on the unity session)
[07:37] <didrocks> hey alexarnaud
[07:38] <alexarnaud> hey didrocks, how are you ?
[07:38] <didrocks> really good, thanks! yourself?
[07:39] <amano> Since VDPAU doesn't seem to be supported on wayland at all nouveau and nvidia will have to go the vaapi route as well.
[07:39] <alexarnaud> didrocks: very good also :).
[07:39] <flexiondotorg> alexarnaud o/
[07:40] <duflu> amano, anything not directly supported by Intel engineers is likely to not work any time soon. And Intel only focuses on VAAPI
[07:42] <amano> There should be some Samsung patches to make nouveau work with vaapi. This was covered on phoronix last year or even 2015.
[07:44] <amano> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nouveau-NVC0-Git-VA
[07:44] <amano> Probably worth a look as well?
[07:48] <andyrock> bt headphones now work properly in X
[07:48] <andyrock> \o/
[07:49] <duflu> andyrock, which distro? Generally I only hear comments if something is broken
[07:49] <andyrock> I had several problems with xenial
[07:49] <andyrock> few weeks ago, I stopped using them because of that
[07:50] <duflu> andyrock, yes the pulseaudio update on 2017-06-30 improved things. But I think artful is much better
[07:50] <amano> @duflu: https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/mesa-dev/2015-December/103327.html
[07:50] <andyrock> duflu: I guess I'll wait for 18.04 :D
[07:52] <duflu> amano, thanks but I have no desire/time to look at nouveau. In my experience it's generally been too buggy. We almost gave up on it during Mir development
[07:52] <duflu> Although most of that could be solved by implementing thread safety
[07:53] <duflu> And X11 + Wayland probably work around that issue, somewhat unwittingly
[08:01] <duflu> So maybe nouveau will be closer to perfect under Wayland like it was in X11, but not Mir
[08:02] <willcooke> morning all
[08:02] <Laney> guten tag
[08:02] <didrocks> hey willcooke, morning Laney
[08:02] <duflu> Morgen Laney, willcooke
[08:06] <Laney> hey didrocks & duflu
[08:06] <Laney> you good?
[08:06] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney, how is u.k today?
[08:08] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:08] <Laney> pretty grey
[08:08]  * Laney has a jumper on!
[08:09] <Laney> how's nl?
[08:12] <duflu> Wait, amano which sink work were you referring to?
[08:16] <seb128> quite rainy
[08:16] <seb128> though we have a bit of sun now
[08:16] <seb128> and a bit cold as well
[08:19] <amano> Your gstreamer patch prototypes. Scary stuff ;)
[08:21] <amano> Tnx for that, duflu
[08:23] <amano> clutterautovideosink and glimagesink?
[08:24] <duflu> amano, right, yes
[08:25] <duflu> Oddly enough, I only seem to have fixed vaapipostproc. If you disable VPP then the same old bugs exist (but nobody does disable it usually)
[08:26] <amano> Probably a PITA to debug that
[08:29] <duflu> amano, Not has difficult that problem, in theory. Because at least that code path is starting with some distorted/broken image on screen. The code path I fixed never had an image on screen before
[08:29] <duflu> -has +as
[09:00] <ricotz> hey desktopers
[09:01] <ricotz> if a package was in main before does this mean it is easier to get into main again? this is regarding the libreoffice dependencies: orcus and lpsolve
[09:08] <seb128> hey ricotz
[09:09] <seb128> ricotz, yes
[09:09] <seb128> things which were in main don't need a MIR
[09:10] <ricotz> seb128, hi, ok
[10:32] <rbasak> I seem to have lost suspend on lid close when charging. Though if I subsequently unplug it still doesn't suspend. Nothing in my Power settings. Is this expected?
[10:34] <rbasak> (on Artful)
[10:55] <Laney> rbasak: Check systemd inhibitors (systemd-inhibit), or see if it's gotten disabled (gnome-tweak-tool).
[10:55] <Laney> It's supposed to work
[11:00] <rbasak> Laney: which part is supposed to work? Is suspend supposed to be inhibited while mains power is available?
[11:00] <Laney> No
[11:00] <rbasak> Or are you saying that unplugging should cause an immediate suspend?
[11:00] <Laney> No
[11:00] <rbasak> (when lid closed)
[11:00] <rbasak> I see. I'll experiment, thanks!
[11:00] <Laney> Closing your lid should suspend
[11:09]  * Laney preps to upload gnome-software 3.25
[11:10] <Laney> probably going to block it in proposed for a little while to test it out
[11:12] <Laney> debdiff gnome-software_3.25.3-1_amd64.deb gnome-software_3.25.4-1_amd64.deb
[11:12] <Laney> Files in first .deb but not in second
[11:12] <Laney> [ EVERYTHING ]
[11:12] <Laney> -------------------------------------
[11:12] <Laney> -rwxr-xr-x  root/root   /usr/bin/gnome-software
[11:13] <Laney> might have messed something up /o\
[11:15] <Laney> oh yeah
[11:16] <Laney> I deleted the dh_install call ¬_¬
[11:17] <didrocks> thin package!
[11:19] <Laney> slimming the ISO
[11:20] <Laney> laney@artful> debdiff gnome-software_3.25.3-1_amd64.deb gnome-software_3.25.4-1test1_amd64.deb                                       ~/dev/debian/packaging/pkg-gnome/desktop/experimental/build-area
[11:20] <Laney> File lists identical (after any substitutions)
[11:20] <Laney> that's better
[11:20] <didrocks> missed opportunity :p
[11:22] <Laney> we could replace it with a shell script
[11:22] <Laney> echo "use apt"
[11:22] <Laney> *cough*
[11:22] <Laney> echo "use snap"
[11:25] <didrocks> ;)
[13:11] <kenvandine> didrocks, have you ever snapped an app that uses gjs?
[13:13] <didrocks> kenvandine: hum, never, only nodejs, but not gjs, anything special is needed? (I think you don't have a runtime nearby)
[13:13] <kenvandine> gjs provides a GjsPrivate typelib
[13:14] <kenvandine> I spent some time trying to append to GI_TYPELIB_PATH, but it looked like the launcher is eating it
[13:14] <kenvandine> it was friday, so the details are now fuzzy :)
[13:15] <didrocks> hehe, probably :)
[13:15] <kenvandine> i am about to get back to it
[13:15] <didrocks> I don't think the launcher has anything GI-related
[13:15] <kenvandine> it doesn't
[13:15] <didrocks> the launcher is ran prior your wrapper, correct?
[13:15] <kenvandine> i think so
[13:15] <didrocks> so I think your process should have GI_TYPELIB_PATH
[13:15] <kenvandine> it does, but doesn't include my change
[13:15] <didrocks> then, the other question is if it's working or you need another var :p
[13:16] <kenvandine> i need to dig into it again, it's all fuzzy now :)
[13:16] <kenvandine> just looking to see if anyone has tried this before
[13:17] <seb128> kenvandine, try flexiondotorg
[13:17] <seb128> otherwise probably not
[13:17] <kenvandine> flexiondotorg, ^^ ever snapped an app that uses gjs?
[13:20] <flexiondotorg> kenvandine Sadly not :(
[13:20] <kenvandine> ok
[13:20] <kenvandine> good times :)
[13:21] <flexiondotorg> When do layout land in snapd again? ;-)
[13:21] <flexiondotorg> The solution to all problems, apparently.
[13:21] <seb128> what is layout?
[13:22] <flexiondotorg> The ability to bind mount arbitrary paths on the host file system.
[13:22] <flexiondotorg> Gross over simplification.
[13:22] <flexiondotorg> zyg_a is working on it I believe.
[13:23] <seb128> k
[13:23] <didrocks> any place it's defined in detail? like the forum?
[13:23] <flexiondotorg> didrocks It was discuss at the London Snap sprint and I believe photos of whiteboard plans were posted in the forum.
[13:23] <didrocks> I didn't find it on the forum
[13:23]  * flexiondotorg goes looking...
[13:24] <didrocks> yeah, but a simple photo doesn't really summarize the discussion without context
[13:25] <flexiondotorg> didrocks precursor task discussion here https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/using-snap-update-ns-from-snap-confine-to-initialize-mount-namespaces/1266
[13:26] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: ah, thanks :) the like of feature-name "layout" in the title made it heard to search for
[13:27] <willcooke> desktoppers running Artful - can you see if you can create a wifi hotspot via network manager?  I can't get it to connect, tells me the password is wrong every time
[13:29] <willcooke> oh, connected now at least (poor choice of font type in that box I think)
[13:29] <willcooke> but yeah, the whole hotspot thing seems broken
[13:29] <seb128> willcooke, what did you change?
[13:30] <willcooke> it was a "capital eye" not a "lower case ell"
[13:30] <willcooke> need to make that display in mono-space I think.
[13:33] <seb128> ah
[13:45] <willcooke> cyphermox, do you know... what's the impact of installing dnsmasq alongside networkd? Specifically, without dnsmasq the hotspot feature in network manager doesn't "work" (no ip address on the client)
[13:45] <willcooke> or better still, can networkd be made to do this instead?
[13:51] <jbicha> willcooke: btw, gnome-control-center 3.25.4 has a new Wi-Fi panel, you can try it out in the GNOME3 Staging PPA
[13:51] <seb128> willcooke, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-December/039564.html
[13:52] <seb128> jbicha, that shouldn't change much to the situation if the issue is on the n-m side
[13:52] <jbicha> yes
[13:53] <seb128> yes it should change the situation? or not change it?
[13:54] <seb128> I hope the new panel doesn't regress on features
[13:57] <jbicha> it looks like it has all the features to me, but maybe a bit better designed?
[13:59] <seb128> I didn't see the new ones, just discussions on #control-center
[14:00] <seb128> willcooke, would be useful to have a bug with your journal log in any case
[14:01] <willcooke> seb128, ack
[14:01] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1678606
[14:01] <willcooke> Will tag on to that one
[14:02] <seb128> you get the same error in your log?
[14:04] <willcooke> need to read the logs
[14:05] <seb128> willcooke, just open a bug using ubuntu-bug
[14:05] <seb128> on network-manager
[14:05] <seb128> that should include the logs
[14:05] <willcooke> seb128, oki, I'll need to uninstall dnsmasq etc
[14:06] <seb128> willcooke, I'm going to try on artful in a bit, I'm dual booting and currently in xenial
[14:06] <seb128> I let you know how it works for me
[14:18] <jbicha> yes, I can confirm both issues, missing dnsmasq and it would be nice if the password was in a mono font
[14:19] <willcooke> jbicha, thx.  I'm trying to find out where that window's layout is in nm-applet, but getting nowhere... any clues? Should be easy enough to patch
[14:20] <jbicha> willcooke: I don't think it's in nm-applet but in gnome-control-center
[14:20] <jbicha> panels/network
[14:20] <willcooke> ahhh
[14:20] <willcooke> of course
[14:20] <willcooke> durr
[14:24] <willcooke> network-wifi.ui
[14:30] <didrocks> killing g-s-d hardly was maybe a little bit too much…
[14:34] <seb128> jbicha, do you plan to report those upstream maybe since you can confirm? ;-)
[14:36] <cyphermox> willcooke: networkd can't do it, but there is no impact to having dnsmasq installed
[14:36] <cyphermox> (well, dnsmasq-base)
[14:37] <cyphermox> NM by itself won't do anything with it aside from connection sharing (if you so choose) unless the option to use it as a caching nameserver is enabled (it's not supposed to be now)
[14:38] <willcooke> cyphermox, ack, thanks
[14:39] <willcooke> seb128, jbicha  - I was trawling u/s bugzilla, didnt find a good match yet.  I can log upstream if required
[14:39] <seb128> cyphermox, willcooke, we should make n-m recommends dnsmasq-base then?
[14:39] <cyphermox> it's already supposed to
[14:42] <cyphermox> *sigh*
[14:42] <seb128> cyphermox, it was removed in http://launchpadlibrarian.net/279417634/network-manager_1.2.2-0ubuntu6_1.2.2-0ubuntu7.diff.gz
[14:42] <cyphermox> well, it should have had it
[14:42] <seb128> pitti did that when he switched to resolved
[14:42] <cyphermox> yeah, that was wrong
[14:43] <cyphermox> but it's not something you'd just "know", it's an obscure feature
[14:43] <cyphermox> that said, it should probably be a Recommends, not a Depends
[14:43] <seb128> right
[14:43] <seb128> Recommends seems right
[14:43] <cyphermox> we want it to ship by default, I think, but not force it to be installed if NM is
[14:44] <pitti> why do you want NM to set up dnsmasq again? having two resolvers only seems to make things more complicated again?
[14:44] <cyphermox> pitti: we don't
[14:44] <pitti> (or use dnsmasq only)
[14:44] <cyphermox> dnsmasq-base is also used for connection sharing to provide DHCP
[14:44] <pitti> ah, I see
[14:45] <cyphermox> that's why I said the removal change was wrong, but it's not something you could have known
[14:45] <seb128> hey pitti :-) how are you? sorry for the ping, should have used a _
[14:45] <pitti> indeed, sorry about that
[14:45] <cyphermox> no worries
[14:45] <pitti> seb128: okay-ish; apparently I caught a virus from my nephew last weekend, but it's not too bad
[14:45] <pitti> how are you?
[14:45] <seb128> :-(
[14:45] <seb128> I'm good thanks!
[14:46] <seb128> though weather is looking like automn this week
[14:46] <pitti> heh yes, here too; the summer took a break
[15:13] <didrocks> seb128: can you try under looking in G-S: Shell.util_translate_time_string (N_("%B %e %Y"));
[15:13] <didrocks> what does this give you?
[15:14] <seb128> where do I type that?
[15:14] <didrocks> alt+f2
[15:14] <didrocks> lg
[15:17] <seb128> didrocks, r(0) = %-e %B %Y
[15:17] <didrocks> ok, that's my bug then
[15:17] <didrocks> I still get %B %e %Y
[15:17] <didrocks> that's why the date is weird for me
[15:17] <didrocks> thanks for testing! Now… why…
[15:17] <seb128> I tested on the daily iso and it's fine as well
[15:18] <didrocks> I probably have something locale puzzling the shell thus…
[15:18] <didrocks> oh, can you just try N_("%B %e %Y") as well?
[15:19] <seb128> didrocks, gettext -d gnome-shell "%B %e %Y"
[15:19] <seb128> ?
[15:19] <didrocks> %-e %B %Y :/
[15:19] <seb128> fun
[15:19] <didrocks>  don't understand why there is N_() and this call
[15:20] <seb128> do you have an extension messing up things?
[15:20] <didrocks> no extension
[15:20] <seb128> does it do it with another user on the same system?
[15:20] <didrocks> good question, let me try
[15:21] <didrocks> indeed, a new user is fine
[15:24] <didrocks> so, N_("%B %e %Y") is returning you the translated string format?
[15:24] <didrocks> or is it Shell.util_translate_time_string() doing the work?
[15:24] <didrocks> rom the gettext request, I would expect my N_() returning %-e %B %Y
[15:24] <seb128> you said that gnome-calendar had the same issue for you?
[15:25] <seb128> so I would say it doesn't have to do with shell
[15:25] <didrocks> yep, from memory
[15:25] <didrocks> same, hence the N_() check
[15:25]  * didrocks looks again where this format is in gnome-calendar
[15:26] <didrocks> indeed, when creating new event, I have "juillet 25" for instance
[15:26] <seb128> gtk30 domain has those format string iirc
[15:27] <didrocks> and so, N_("%B %e %Y") returns you the correct format in the shell? which isn't the case for me despite gettext -d…
[15:29] <seb128> Shell.util_translate_time_string (N_("%B %e %Y")); ?
[15:29] <seb128> or ?
[15:29] <didrocks> just N_("%B %e %Y")
[15:29] <seb128> %B %e %Y
[15:29] <didrocks> ok, I'm even more puzzled, shouldn't that be gettext?
[15:30] <seb128> I don't know how that lg debug mode is working
[15:30] <seb128> and if the correct translation domain is set
[15:30] <seb128> or bindtextdomain or equivalents
[15:30] <seb128> oh
[15:30] <seb128> it's meeting time!
[15:30] <didrocks> ah, could be that the Shell.(…) wrapper set it
[15:30] <didrocks> yeah :)
[15:30] <seb128> didrocks, let's continue that on a side channel or after the meeting
[15:30] <didrocks> well, no, it's not, I can't read the date :p
[15:30] <didrocks> yep ;)
[15:30] <jbicha> o/
[15:31] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop team 2017-07-25
[15:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jul 25 15:31:54 2017 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:32] <seb128> Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel, heber (out), kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:32] <seb128> hope everybody is doing fine!
[15:32] <Laney> seb128 is in the hot seat
[15:32] <andyrock> hey hey
[15:32] <seb128> Laney, indeed!
[15:33] <kenvandine> o/
[15:33] <seb128> ok, let's get started
[15:33] <seb128> #topic andyrock
[15:33] <seb128> andyrock, hey
[15:33] <andyrock> Unity:
[15:33] <andyrock> # Debugged the favorite icons migration problem with unity7 (solution not easy to implement)
[15:33] <andyrock> # Reviewing Trevinho's code
[15:33] <andyrock> Livepatch:
[15:33] <andyrock> # Successfuly added code in the root daemon to send Server Side Events
[15:33] <andyrock> # First implementation of user daemon to listen to SSEs and display notifications
[15:33] <andyrock> eod
[15:33] <andyrock> *w
[15:34] <seb128> thanks andyrock
[15:34] <seb128> #topic dgadomski
[15:35] <seb128> dgadomski, hey
[15:35] <dgadomski> hey
[15:35] <dgadomski> * discussed the way to fix bug #1699179 with the landscape team, working on implementation
[15:35] <dgadomski> * debugging smbd for bug #1701073
[15:35] <dgadomski> * made some progress but still working on autopkgtests for bug #1700827, tested all binaries from that package for segfaults etc.
[15:35] <dgadomski> * tested binaries for bug #1704130
[15:35] <dgadomski> eof
[15:35] <seb128> thanks dgadomski
[15:35] <seb128> #topic didrocks
[15:35] <seb128> didrocks, hey
[15:35] <didrocks> * reviewed/discussed gdm transition with Laney
[15:35] <didrocks> * started to look at the "sound above 100%" issue with local patches working here. gnome-settings-daemon, using ubuntu-settings schema and gnome-control-center UI tweak. Some patch is needed in GNOME Shell as well, but implemented right now as a hackish extension. Will get a less impactful and hacky patch in G-S before uploading (restricting this to the ubuntu* sessions)
[15:35] <didrocks> * started to read some G-S extensions code and API to prepare London sprint
[15:35] <didrocks> * some AA work (NEW reviews for Mate components)
[15:35] <didrocks> * zeitgeist & indicator-application demotion via rhythmbox plugins, and other services. We have now mostly demoted everything we can but libunity, libappindicator (pulling dee). However, no daemon is installed.
[15:36] <didrocks> * snap theming discussions with snapd upstreams to present issues and what should be done. Worked with seb listing more themes to be included by default in both desktop cloud part and GNOME platform snap. Did some build and size metrics report. However, the extra size and build time has been decided as being too much for this.
[15:36] <didrocks> * fixes: amazon double icon via workaround and gnome-software unthemed (not the ubuntu one) icon debugged & fixed.
[15:36] <didrocks> * 5 years old very simple patch in GNOME for evince rebased (after recent comment) and reposted, after some dust removal ofc! :)
[15:36] <didrocks> .
[15:36] <seb128> thanks didrocks!
[15:36] <didrocks> yw ;)
[15:36] <seb128> #topic duflu
[15:37] <seb128> * Video acceleration:
[15:37] <seb128>   - Continued going deep in gstreamer-vaapi to fix totem+Wayland: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1701463
[15:37] <seb128>     . I decided to get ambitious and solve it properly (fix the corruption and performance simultaneously) by addressing a longstanding bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740753
[15:37] <seb128>     . Good news: Working proof of concept as of yesterday!
[15:37] <seb128>     . Good news: Smooth and fast (and not corrupted) video in Gstreamer/totem under Wayland!
[15:37] <seb128>     . Bad news: It requires some hacks that will take more time to eliminate.
[15:37] <seb128>     . I will continue to try to resolve these issues but so far upstream is silent, not commenting.
[15:37] <seb128>     . If I don't (or do?) make more progress on cleaning up my solution I might still PPA it regardless.
[15:37] <seb128>   - In other news, an Intel engineer has proposed VA-API support to Chromium this week: https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/532294/
[15:37] <seb128> * Noteworthy bug count deltas this week:
[15:37] <seb128>   - gnome-shell (Ubuntu): 414 (May) -> 236 (July)
[15:37] <seb128> * Daily bug management across gnome-shell, ubuntu-themes, bluez, pulseaudio and mir.
[15:37] <seb128>   - Time consuming, but it keeps us on top of the user-facing issues.
[15:37] <seb128> #topic jbicha
[15:37] <seb128> jbicha, hey
[15:37] <jbicha> • Released new version of gnome-tweak-tool, renamed as Tweaks
[15:37] <jbicha> • Updated gtk3 to 3.22.17 and some other updates for artful
[15:37] <jbicha> • Packaged mozjs52 for artful new queue…but gjs 3.25.4 isn't working right with it yet, some linking issue
[15:37] <jbicha> • Packaged tracker2 for GNOME3 Staging PPA
[15:38] <jbicha> • If you enable the PPA, you can also run gnome-control-center-alt to see the redesign that might land for 3.26
[15:38] <jbicha> eof
[15:39] <seb128> thanks jbicha
[15:39] <seb128> jbicha, is that redesign likely to be complete this cycle or not?
[15:39] <jbicha> uh, probably
[15:39] <seb128> or asked differently, could that be risky for the LTS and something we should investigate more before deciding?
[15:40] <jbicha> I'm disappointed that they still set gnome-control-center-alt to not be installed in last week's dev snapshot (overriden in PPA)
[15:40] <jbicha> yes, it should be investigated more, not many eyes have looked at it yet, although it's been a WIP for a while
[15:41] <seb128> k
[15:41] <seb128> we should probably add that to the backlog
[15:41] <jbicha> I don't think it's particularly risky for LTS, just a different layout mostly
[15:42] <seb128> k
[15:42] <jbicha> big benefit is g-c-c is resizable now
[15:42] <seb128> thanks jbicha
[15:42] <seb128> I'm going to give that a try and let you know how it works for me
[15:42] <seb128> k, let's keep moving
[15:42] <seb128> #topic jamesh
[15:42] <seb128> * I posted a list of snapd/snapcraft issues that are important to the
[15:42] <seb128> desktop on the Snapcraft forum
[15:42] <seb128> (https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/ubuntu-desktop-team-priorities/1397/3),
[15:42] <seb128> and have followed up on a few of them as people have replied.
[15:42] <seb128> * For the snapd polkit auth issue, I updated my pull request based on
[15:43] <seb128> review comments from chipaca.  Still not sure if they'll accept it or
[15:43] <seb128> not though.
[15:43] <seb128> * I wrote a patch for NetworkManager to allow toggle connectivity
[15:43] <seb128> checking via D-Bus API, which will make it possible for the privacy
[15:43] <seb128> control panel to disable the checks without needing to
[15:43] <seb128> install/uninstall packages.  I've submitted the patches upstream in
[15:43] <seb128> their bug tracker and mailing list.  When it is accepted, we can
[15:43] <seb128> backport it into our packages.
[15:43] <seb128> #topic heber
[15:44] <seb128> heber, hey, around or should I paste the update you sent via email?
[15:44] <seb128> seems I should copy it
[15:44] <seb128> * Jenkins jobs for post install/upgrade have been tested. There are some improvements to do in order to get consistent results and avoid random failures, timeouts, etc.
[15:44] <seb128> * Some progress on running tests on HW, I need to fix autologin in setup and make testflinger collect the artifacts.
[15:44] <seb128> * Fix test Test Default Session Type which fails on Xenial.
[15:45] <seb128> #topic kenvandine
[15:45] <seb128> kenvandine, hey
[15:45] <kenvandine> * Promoted gnome-dictionary, gnome-calculator, quadrapassel, gnome-clocks, and gnome-sudoku to the stable channel.
[15:45] <kenvandine> * GUADEC planning, arranged a BoF for gjs/mozjs with the upstream maintainer.
[15:45] <kenvandine> * Discussing the GNOME Sharing framework with upstream, hoping to help make the solution handle content exchange for snaps
[15:45] <kenvandine> * More backports to the gnome-3-24 PPA to build snaps
[15:45] <kenvandine> * Worked on more snaps, gnome-maps and gnome-photos are still in process
[15:45] <kenvandine> eof
[15:46] <seb128> thanks kenvandine
[15:46] <seb128> #topic Laney
[15:46] <seb128> Laney, hey
[15:46] <Laney> yo
[15:46] <Laney> • Spent some time looking at the snapd-glib "hang" problem. Learned a lot about GMainContext, libraries and threads - have written a patch which passes the testsuite in snapd-glib; now need to test it in gnome-software, after...
[15:46] <Laney> • Nagged about a gnome-software release, got one put out, just uploaded it to experimental
[15:46] <Laney> • Rebased the wip/ubuntu-master branch; package merge in progress - to be uploaded today. That's gnome-software with no custom apt backend, using PK. I'll block it in proposed and we can test it for a few days.
[15:46] <Laney> • Just been doing a bit of el rapido debugging of a tracker build failure raised in #debian-gnome
[15:46] <Laney> • glib 2.53.4
[15:47] <Laney> • autopkgtest: linux breaking things again; run manually, file bug, blacklist - kernel team came back with a proposed fix (disabling the test...) which I'm currently doing a test run of
[15:47] <Laney> • last couple of gst 1.12.2 uploads
[15:47] <Laney> 😬
[15:47] <seb128> thanks Laney
[15:48] <seb128> #topic seb128
[15:48] <seb128> done
[15:48] <seb128> • tested artful daily, reported some GNOME bugs upstream (shell, gdm, software, g-c-c)
[15:48] <seb128> • investigated some translations issues
[15:48] <seb128> • debugged bluetooth/obex not working
[15:48] <seb128> • discussed some desktop issues (gnome-software/snap plugin hanging, .desktop migrations)
[15:48] <seb128> • sponsoring the new libreoffice version from Olivier
[15:48] <seb128> • worked with Didier on changes to the snap desktop launcher to include more themes
[15:48] <seb128> • synced meson for Rico and then nagged about armhf issues
[15:48] <seb128> • updated d-feet
[15:48] <seb128> • set up langpack job for artful weekly updates
[15:49] <seb128> #topic tkamppeter
[15:49] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey
[15:49] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Testing of cups-browsed, especially load-balanced clustering, shutdown of remote servers, spotted some remaining crashes and fixed them, especially one which is probably the one generating all the error reports of users (will observe the error reports to see whether 1.15.0 will not appear there). Received a patch for another hang-on-cups-browsed-shutdown cause. Allow suppression of clustering via cups-browsed.conf option. R
[15:49] <tkamppeter> eleased 1.15.0 with all the improvements and fixes of the last weeks.
[15:49] <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2017: Student project coordination and mentoring. Filled evaluations for the second month of the two students I am the principal mentor of. All students doing good progress.
[15:49] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:50] <seb128> thanks tkamppeter
[15:50] <seb128> #topic Trevinho
[15:50] <seb128> Trevinho, hey
[15:52] <seb128> oh, he's out today but he looks like he didn't send his weekly update
[15:52] <seb128> #topic robert_ancell
[15:53] <seb128> - Working on moving gnome-software / snapd-glib SRUs.
[15:53] <seb128> - Working on making Editor's Pick / Featured sections in GNOME Software display snaps better.
[15:53] <seb128> - Chasing down default snap icon not working in 16.04.
[15:53] <seb128> - Preparing next gnome-software SRUs.
[15:53] <seb128> - Had a look into BuildStream.
[15:53] <seb128> #topic aob
[15:53] <seb128> any other topic?
[15:54] <jbicha> no irc meeting next week for guadec?
[15:54] <seb128> unsure, up to willcooke
[15:54] <seb128> it's only a subset of the team going
[15:55] <jbicha> ok, nothing else from me :)
[15:55] <seb128> thanks for pointing it out though
[15:55] <seb128> ok, it's a wrap then
[15:55] <seb128> thanks everyone
[15:56] <didrocks> thanks!
[15:56] <seb128> #endmeeting
[15:56] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jul 25 15:56:05 2017 UTC.
[15:56] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-07-25-15.31.moin.txt
[15:56] <seb128> Laney, jbicha, cyphermox, opinion on https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubiquity/new-gsd-binaries/+merge/327611 ?
[15:56] <seb128> didrocks, ^ you as well
[15:58] <Laney> seb128: looks good to me
[15:58] <seb128> Laney, thanks :-)
[15:58] <Laney> sry for forgetting to respond
[15:58] <didrocks> answered on the MP
[15:59] <seb128> no worry, thanks for having a look now
[15:59] <seb128> didrocks, thanks as well!
[15:59] <didrocks> yw ;)
[15:59]  * didrocks noticed from the description that it's Laney who wrote the bug report :p
[16:00] <Laney> on that one?
[16:01] <didrocks> Laney: no, on bug #1688395 "favourites" :)
[16:01] <Laney> oho
[16:01] <Laney> I do that on purpose
[16:01] <didrocks> claiming your origins! :)
[16:02] <Laney> sometimes even when copying from other places I will change the spelling
[16:02] <didrocks> ahah
[16:02] <didrocks> I don't think it worthes chasing this date thing… or just wait for a cleanswap of my install I will do soon…
[16:02] <didrocks> can't really spot anything easily
[16:03] <Laney> didrocks: on that one, I don't think I checked if there were reverse dependencies yet ...
[16:03]  * Laney thought when filing it that the assigned person was going to work on it
[16:03] <Laney> :)
[16:03] <didrocks> I'll try to poke x_nox as well before diving into it :p
[16:03] <didrocks> we'll see
[16:04] <Laney> <3
[16:26] <Trevinho> seb128: sorry.... Damned me, I added reminder and I didn't send it. :-(
[16:27] <Trevinho> Anyway... Some more woke in the x SRU and lowgfx fixes. It looks all green now. Waiting andyrock to test it for the hitting the publish button.
[16:34] <willcooke> http://i.imgur.com/fTq8bGp.png
[16:34] <willcooke> seb128, jbicha  ^
[16:55] <andyrock> Trevinho: ops I forgot to test
[16:56] <andyrock> I'll do it tomorrow morning
[17:01] <andyrock> In the meanwhile...  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/UE9Hdiar/out-3.ogv
[17:01] <andyrock> seb128 willcooke ^^^
[17:02] <andyrock> I just need to change the text for the notification and then it's done
[17:02] <willcooke> andyrock, neat!
[17:03] <willcooke> andyrock, and does it show the notifications when something gets patched too?
[17:03] <andyrock> not yeat, but it's a couple of lines of code to add the support
[17:03] <willcooke> andyrock, woot!  nice work!
[17:03] <andyrock> basically I'm using http signals between the two servers
[17:03] <andyrock> *daemons
[17:04] <andyrock> so we can signal for whatever we want
[17:04] <andyrock> I talked with livepatch devs and they agreed using server side events
[17:04] <andyrock> I guess I can "demo" it tomorrow
[17:04] <willcooke> andyrock, awesome
[17:27] <Laney> nighty night homies
[17:27] <willcooke> l8r Laney
[19:26] <willcooke> jbicha, when you get a sec, what do you think about this patch: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1706421
[19:26] <willcooke> not sure if I've done it correctly
[19:50] <ricotz> afaics there are some desktop-packages which need a python-nochange-rebuild: eog-plugins, gedit, gedit-plugins
[20:13] <jbicha> willcooke_: do you have the time to file a GNOME bug for that?
[20:15] <willcooke_> jbicha, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=785413
[20:21] <jbicha> thanks
[20:37] <kenvandine> #!/home/ken/work/desktop/gnome/snaps/platforms/gnome-maps/parts/gnome-maps/install/usr/bin/gjs
[20:37] <kenvandine> well that isn't desirable
[21:19] <willcooke_> night all