[05:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: keystone (xenial-proposed/main) [2:9.3.0-0ubuntu2 => 2:9.3.0-0ubuntu3] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[05:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nova (xenial-proposed/main) [2:13.1.4-0ubuntu1 => 2:13.1.4-0ubuntu2] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[07:23] <LocutusOfBorg> slangasek, I was not saying sagemath can't build on armhf, but "nobody with an armhf processor will likely run sagemath, due to performances" :)
[07:23] <LocutusOfBorg> but thanks for fixing, I tried hard to understand that cmake failure and I failed, even in a chroot
[07:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: diffoscope [amd64] (artful-proposed/universe) [84build1] (no packageset)
[07:49] <LocutusOfBorg> welcome back fixed diffoscope :)
[07:50] <xnox> /o\
[08:38] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: Wolfram expect people to run Mathematica on a Raspberry Pi
[08:40] <LocutusOfBorg> wow
[08:43] <LocutusOfBorg> I still don't undestand that EGL delta between debian and Ubuntu
[08:46] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: neither do i, it affects some games too
[08:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: notmuch [ppc64el] (artful-proposed/main) [0.25~rc1-2] (core)
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[09:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted diffoscope [amd64] (artful-proposed) [84build1]
[09:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted hoel [arm64] (artful-proposed) [1.1-1]
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[09:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted hoel [armhf] (artful-proposed) [1.1-1]
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[09:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted notmuch [amd64] (artful-proposed) [0.25~rc1-2]
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[11:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted golang-github-ngaut-go-zookeeper [amd64] (artful-proposed) [0.0~git20150813.0.9c3719e-2]
[12:17] <sil2100> jamespage: hey! Question regarding new openstack stable point-releases - do those generally only have bugfixes, or enable new features as well?
[13:19] <LocutusOfBorg> any opinion against a debhelper upload?
[13:20] <LocutusOfBorg> I tried some builds and it seems fine
[13:30] <sil2100> jamespage: ok, so I took the document you have provided to me, trimmed it down to a more condensed format and added a proposed SRU template - could you take a look, correct and say if it's ok from your POV?
[13:30] <sil2100> jamespage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OpenStackUpdates
[13:30] <sil2100> The template is not required usually, but I guess it'd be nice for SRU people to get instant info about what's up
[13:30]  * LocutusOfBorg uploads in some minutes
[13:36] <sil2100> jamespage: I was also thinking if maybe you could add some nicely-worded rationale of why keeping openstack up-to-date is important - it *obviously* is but yeah, a nice sentence summing it up might be a nice decoration
[13:37] <sil2100> In the first section, the overview of the wikipage
[13:37]  * jamespage looks
[13:38] <sil2100> jamespage: it's your doc just cut down ;)
[13:38] <jamespage> I like the template
[13:39] <rbasak> sil2100: are you doing this in response to my email, or something else?
[13:40] <rbasak> To be clear, I only think that something like what I did for GNOME is needed if (and only if) the changes do not comply with the requirements at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#New_upstream_microreleases
[13:40] <rbasak> I'm under the impression that the openstack microrelase updates exceed our QA expectations there.
[13:42] <rbasak> Though perhaps the autopkgtest requirement could be relaxed to "autopkgtest _or_ an Ubuntu team performs equivalent CI" as autopkgtest doesn't really make sense for openstack and wouldn't be sufficient anyway.
[13:43] <sil2100> rbasak: no, not really in response to the e-mail, just as part of good practice - we started the discussion about this a bit earlier
[13:44] <rbasak> Well I certainly have no objection to documenting more stuff :)
[13:45] <sil2100> Documentation of such cases is good as it allows new members that didn't handle reviews of such updates before not wasting time looking through previous uploads, how the microreleases are being tested etc.
[13:45] <rbasak> Agreed. As long as you don't think that I was suggesting it was required here :)
[13:46] <rbasak> But yeah, for all the reasons you said, it's a good thing anywa.
[13:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted squid3 [source] (xenial-proposed) [3.5.12-1ubuntu7.4]
[15:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted open-iscsi [source] (xenial-proposed) [2.0.873+git0.3b4b4500-14ubuntu3.4]
[15:16] <sil2100> slashd: hey!
[15:18] <sil2100> slashd: I was just about to approve open-iscsi for zesty but then I'm a bit worried about the version number - since because you bumped it normally without the .1 notation, in case someone drops the open-iscsi that's currently in artful-proposed and decides to leave the last version, zesty will have a higher version number than artful
[15:19] <sil2100> slashd: can you make sure that the artful-proposed version migrates and is not dropped?
[15:22] <sil2100> slashd: not to block on that considering that I already accepted xenial, I'll change the version and re-upload
[15:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected open-iscsi [source] (zesty-proposed) [2.0.873+git0.3b4b4500-14ubuntu18]
[15:25] <apw> sil2100, good call
[15:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: open-iscsi (zesty-proposed/main) [2.0.873+git0.3b4b4500-14ubuntu17 => 2.0.873+git0.3b4b4500-14ubuntu17.1] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[15:31] <slashd> sil2100, It's block by a MIR --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-isns/+bug/1689963
[15:31] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1689963 in open-isns (Ubuntu) "[MIR] open-isns" [Undecided,Fix released]
[15:32] <slashd> infinity, was okay with us uploading open-iscsi in artful knowing that fact
[15:32] <slashd> sil2100, ^
[15:32] <sil2100> Ah, ok, anyway, better safe than sorry
[15:33] <slashd> sil2100, does that unblock you ?
[15:33] <apw> slashd, that MIR is approved and implmented
[15:33] <sil2100> I already changed the version number, will accept it anyway ;)
[15:34] <sil2100> (approved)
[15:34] <slashd> sil2100, much appreciated
[15:34] <slashd> apw, I didn't look the status of the MIR recently
[15:34] <slashd> apw, thanks
[15:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted open-iscsi [source] (zesty-proposed) [2.0.873+git0.3b4b4500-14ubuntu17.1]
[15:35] <apw> slashd, it looks to be held for failurs in its own test suite
[15:35] <sil2100> Yeah, re-ran those
[15:35] <sil2100> I mean, I recycled them some minutes ago to make sure they're not anything transient
[15:36] <nacc> right, it's something real
[15:36] <nacc> it's on my radar, but was at a sprint last week
[15:37] <sil2100> ACK
[15:37] <apw> sil2100, even more sensible to change the number to 17.1
[16:14] <bdmurray> arges: Could you look at releasing the SRUs for bug 1700829 (u-r-u and u-m)?
[16:14] <ubot5> bug 1700829 in update-manager (Ubuntu Zesty) "-d switch isn't accurately described" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1700829
[16:17] <LocutusOfBorg> (perl transition starting in some hours/minutes)
[16:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: ubuntu-advantage-tools (trusty-proposed/primary) [2]
[16:40] <nacc> could someone reject the above? I will reupload with a bug reference.
[16:41] <apw> nacc, u-a-tools ?
[16:41] <apw> nacc, gone
[16:42] <nacc> apw: thanks
[16:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected ubuntu-advantage-tools [source] (trusty-proposed) [2]
[16:42] <apw> nacc, you know i am going to ask why that is not in artful etc, hopefully that is detailed in the bug
[16:42] <nacc> apw: it is, sort of :)
[16:42] <nacc> apw: it's going to be uploaded to trusty and copied forward
[16:43] <nacc> apw: i think that's the last few comments; hopefully makes it a bit clearer
[16:43] <nacc> dpb1: --^ i think it'd be good to put that in the top level comemnt
[16:43] <apw> nacc, it is going to be copied forwards ... that is rather unusual
[16:43] <apw> i assume soeone has signed off on that
[16:44] <dpb1> nacc: OK
[16:44] <dpb1> nacc: will update now
[16:44]  * apw will wait for the new upload, so he can find the bug number to read those
[16:45] <nacc> apw: yeah, it has been
[16:45] <nacc> apw: and agree, it's unusual :)
[16:52] <dpb1> nacc: updated the bug
[16:52] <nacc> dpb1: thanks
[16:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: slurm-llnl [s390x] (artful-proposed/universe) [17.02.6-1] (no packageset)
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[17:15] <slangasek> apw: yeah, I signed off on it, because it's a shellscript-only package that we don't care about rebuilding for each release
[17:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: ubuntu-advantage-tools (trusty-proposed/primary) [2]
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[18:29] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: *poke*
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[18:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted slurm-llnl [amd64] (artful-proposed) [17.02.6-1]
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[18:59] <slangasek> LocutusOfBorg, ginggs: the EGL delta is because no one really has hardware with hw-accelerated OpenGL drivers; but Debian also doesn't ship any of the non-free EGL drivers so has mostly not bothered with this
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[19:09] <ginggs> slangasek: thanks, so which packages in ubuntu have the EGL delta?
[19:09] <slangasek> as many of them as possible ;)
[19:09] <slangasek> or rather, as many as don't pick up EGL support automatically via Debian
[19:10] <ginggs> i mean which package(s) in ubuntu provide the EGL support?
[19:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: perl [amd64] (artful-proposed/main) [5.26.0-4] (core)
[19:12] <infinity> ginggs: If you mean "which drivers ship EGL acceleration", I'm not sure we currently ship any in the distro.  We have done in the past (like pvr-omap4)
[19:12] <slangasek> right, it's possible we don't have any in the current series
[19:12] <slangasek> the phones had them
[19:12] <infinity> ginggs: If you mean "which userspace components assume EGL and cause a cascading ripple effect", the most obvious offender is Qt.
[19:13] <infinity> Which, IMO, is a Qt bug.  There are other layers like cogl that manage to transparently support both.
[19:13] <ginggs> infinity: the latter, yes
[19:13] <infinity> But it's a bug/misfeature we've had to live with for ages.
[19:13] <slangasek> also, moving to OpenGLv3 is meant to bridge the GL vs. EGL gap, so we can look forward to a distant future where we don't have differing sets of drivers
[19:14] <infinity> slangasek: I'm not convinced that master plan will ever come to fruition, with Vulkan being the new hotness there instead.
[19:14] <infinity> slangasek: But yes, "some day", we can stop making the distinction, somehow.  Maybe.  Ish.
[19:15] <infinity> Oh look, all the perl builds rolled in while this was going on.
[19:15]  * infinity crosses his fingers and accepts.
[19:16] <ginggs> now I'm wondering whether the Raspberry Pi has GL or EGL drivers. I think the Nvida Jetson would have been full GL
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted perl [amd64] (artful-proposed) [5.26.0-4]
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[19:16] <infinity> ginggs: Pi/Pi2/Pi3 is EGL.  Most nvidia ARM boards are EGL.
[19:17] <infinity> ginggs: It's true that nvidia ARM parts have GeForce-ish GPUs and *could* ship full OpenGL ICDs, but they don't.
[19:17] <infinity> It's not really about what the hardware supports (you could go full GL on Mali too), it's what the ecosystem demands from their software stack.
[19:18] <infinity> So it's a nasty feedback loop of "it ain't gonna change until the specs converge".
[19:19] <infinity> As it stands, most modern "EGL" GPUs support all the extensions required for GL and, similarly, the major modern "GL" GPUs support the EGL extensions that aren't part of older GL specs.
[19:19] <infinity> So, if heads were removed from various orifices, convergence could just happen, and no one would care.
[19:20] <infinity> (Then you get to the fun where if you want to support older binaries, you need a libEGL.so shim that calls into libGL, but that's really trivial after all the committees and specs are dealt with)
[19:42] <ginggs> ah,freemat is a typical example of the armhf EGL failures - "error: conflicting declaration ‘typedef double GLdouble’" - and yes, it is built with Qt
[19:51] <apw> slangasek, thanks for the background
[22:37] <LocutusOfBorg> slangasek, thanks
[22:38] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, <3
[22:39] <LocutusOfBorg> btw, is cmake-extras droppable now that the phone stuff is dying? reverse-depends -r artful src:cmake-extras shows nothing
[22:44] <slangasek> perhaps; please file a bug against the package and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[22:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Lubuntu Next Desktop amd64 [Artful Alpha 2] has been marked as ready
[22:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Lubuntu Next Desktop i386 [Artful Alpha 2] has been marked as ready
[22:49] <LocutusOfBorg> slangasek, I prefer to prod xnox once the list of stuff to remove gets filled in
[22:49] <LocutusOfBorg> I won't forget, because each new cmake release I have to rebuild it :)
[22:50] <LocutusOfBorg> I think there already is some sort of list
[22:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: statistics (artful-proposed/primary) [1.0-0ubuntu1]
[22:59] <arges> bdmurray: done
[23:03] <bdmurray> arges: cool, thanks!
[23:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu MATE Desktop amd64 [Artful Alpha 2] has been marked as ready
[23:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu MATE Desktop i386 [Artful Alpha 2] has been marked as ready
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[23:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-transitions [amd64] (artful-proposed/universe) [0.5.3-1] (no packageset)