[00:06] <chuwii> how to reconfigure mesa to automaticaly detect the config as the first install time ?
[06:07] <leslie_MYM> s
[06:07] <masterdoom1001> hi
[06:08] <masterdoom1001> is anyone on?
[06:37] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:29] <hegemon8> hello everyone
[08:32] <hegemon8> just wondering as i'm on kubu 17.04 with some 3rd party repos and tweaks from forums to make my nvidia  based laptop being able to dim screen and start with kubu logo in graphical mode. Now i wonder how i'd end up upgrading to 17.10... Anyone did upgrade yet? If so... how did it go?
[08:40] <acheronuk> a few people are running it and most have had no big issues. running a development does entail some bugs being hit and then resolved that you clearly would never see running a released version
[08:42] <acheronuk> and with KDE packages, being uploaded in sets of many packages (plasma, apps, frameworks) you can sometimes have issues where part of a group upload gets stuck in the -proposed repo/pocket for a while, and updates are incomplete and may cause issues
[08:43] <hegemon8> i am aware its pre-release, but being spoiled for last releases with upgrade to them, but there are some changes in this that i ask... normally i'd preinstall, as its fairly fresh 17.04 install, but plenty sofy from application store and settings that i just don't want to redo
[08:45] <acheronuk> we are just about to land Qt 5.9.1 in Artful, so if you are considering it, you may be best waiting until that is in and any issues with that fixed
[08:47] <hegemon8> sucks to have one machine home, cause would love to help in testing, and vm, well you know...
[08:49] <acheronuk> even in a VM helps :)
[08:50] <hegemon8> yes, i guess, but then reporting a 'bug' that turns out to be vm specific....
[08:51] <hegemon8> and i'm a natural tester - curious - i do break things in the name of rule: Gee, what this button do?... :)
[09:01] <acheronuk> hegemon8: some of us on #kubuntu-devel are running artful on real hardware, so if you find something you are not sure is MV specific or not, then you can ask us to check
[09:03] <acheronuk> plus bugs in a VM are valid ones IMO. there is much use of virtualisation and we would want things to 'work' on that is possible
[09:10] <hegemon8> i'm on 4 channels on kubuntu, not typing there cause well, far from being dev, but i do look whats going on there at times
[09:11] <hegemon8> thank You for ideas and suggestions, need to go now so hope see yous later
[11:47] <john85> hi :)
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:52] <john85> hi :)
[11:53] <john85> sorry was googling something
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Hi john85
[11:53] <john85> hows u?
[11:53] <BluesKaj> god, and you?
[11:53] <BluesKaj> good even :-)
[11:53] <john85> ok thanks
[11:54] <john85> hi gery
[11:55] <john85> i think i already know the answer to this question,  but just wanted to check
[11:56] <john85> fonts are completely independant of apps like open office and Libre office right?  So installing open office wont give me any more fonts than i already have
[11:58] <BluesKaj> john85, not sure, since I don't use the office suite
[12:00] <john85> oh ok...im thinking of installing open office anyway,  since it is what I have always used up to now
[12:01] <john85> just trying to find out how at the moment
[12:01] <oost_> john85: i read somewhere that libreoffice is based on openoffice.org and that is openoffice.org is dead now.
[12:03] <nmrp3> hi - I've just turned my ubuntu box on after a holiday, and it went to the login screen but won't let me type anything
[12:03] <BluesKaj> think you're correct oost_ libreoffice is default  afaik
[12:03] <nmrp3> it registers the capslock key toggling, but no text appears in the password box
[12:04] <BluesKaj> does ctl+alt +F2 drop you to a shell login ?
[12:04] <BluesKaj> nmrp3,^
[12:05] <nmrp3> BluesKaj: yes it does
[12:05] <john85> ye the problem is i'm lacking all the fonts I used to create my documents and it has messed up some of the formatting too
[12:06] <john85> mainly arial and calibri
[12:06] <BluesKaj> run your normal updates and upgrades with apt , then sudo systemctl enable sddm (assume you use that), then sudo systemctl start sddm
[12:07] <BluesKaj> nmrp3,^
[12:08] <BluesKaj> nmrp3, you may have to reboot
[12:08] <oquidave> hello, do i need a raid setup if am running on a vps from one of the cloud providers?
[12:08] <nmrp3> BluesKaj: I got a lot of grumbling from systemctl about  unit files
[12:09] <BluesKaj> john85, have you checked the system-settings>fonts ...I have to ask the obvious
[12:09] <nmrp3> how would i quickly check which display  manager / login I'm using?
[12:09] <nmrp3> ok, ps aux says sddm
[12:09] <BluesKaj> nmrp3, but you still have a shell prompt ?
[12:10] <john85> BluesKaj,  yes and I even downloaded a fonts package
[12:10] <nmrp3> BluesKaj: I'm still in the shell, yes - "The unit files have no installation config..."
[12:11] <nmrp3> ok, this did something: sudo service sddm restart
[12:11] <nmrp3> but no change in behaviour - the login manger is tracking if capslock is on, but isn't letting me type into the password box or displaying a mouse pointer
[12:12] <BluesKaj> nmrp3, sounds like the xserver has a problem
[12:13] <BluesKaj> did you updaye and upgrade with apt ?
[12:13] <BluesKaj> update
[12:13] <nmrp3> yes, I think I did, and I think it included both a kernal and an xserver update
[12:14] <nmrp3> but I wasn't really paying attention as I was rushing off to holiday - I updated before closing down a few days ago
[12:14] <john85> gotta run...work beckons
[12:14] <john85> speak soon
[12:14] <BluesKaj> ok try again, nmrp3
[12:16] <nmrp3> no packages to update, same symptom
[12:19] <BluesKaj> nmrp3, if a reboot doesn't help then maybe the nomodeset procedure might work
[12:19] <nmrp3> oh it seems to be something to do with multi-monitor support
[12:20] <nmrp3> it's working if I boot with just one monitor plugged in
[12:20] <BluesKaj> aha
[12:20] <nmrp3> but is failing in various ways if I have more than one
[12:20] <nmrp3> so right now I have two display port monitors on, and both are black for the login
[12:20] <nmrp3> but ctl+alt+f2 works
[12:22] <BluesKaj> nmrp3, I have no expertise with multimonitor setups ..you probly know more than I do about it
[12:23] <nmrp3> OK, so it seems like the multi monitor support is really broken for my system with this x :(
[12:24] <BluesKaj> nmrp3, which gpu ?
[12:24] <nmrp3> titan x
[12:30] <BluesKaj> that's rare card, I'm surprised there's a driver for it , or are you using the LInux driver from nvidia's site. if so then the kernel upgrade probly broke the driver
[12:33] <BluesKaj> there's a lack of current kernel module support for nvidia's site drivers afaik
[12:38] <BluesKaj> bbbiab
[12:46] <oost_> What four or five things to keep in mind when start reading source code?
[12:48] <oost_> Is there any advise for something like this?
[13:29] <lordievader> oost_: Try explaining the code to a rubber duck, if the duck understands, you understand the code.
[13:30] <lordievader> Also keep in mind that each programmer has their own style and preferences.
[13:43] <oost_> thnx lordievader. I do not know where to begin with reading files though.
[13:45] <lordievader> oost_: Unless you have a specific goal, reading random source code is going to be a pain.
[13:54] <oost_> lordievader: cannot really fit myself into a goal here. Think i will give myself paracetamol or something.
[13:55] <lordievader> Why do you want to read source code, then?
[13:57] <oost_> lordievader: to understand interesting things.
[13:58] <lordievader> Do you have experience in programming?
[14:00] <oost_> no, i can only see the logic of things.
[14:03] <javdrher> even as an experienced programmer, diving into a large codebase takes a lot of time to get into the flow
[14:03] <javdrher> even with good documentation available
[14:06] <lordievader> And because of that, you first want to have some experience with programming before you start reading (other people's) source code.
[14:52] <sdfsdf> can I plug in an android phone through usb and get data inside /com folders without root on the phone?
[14:55] <BluesKaj> sdfsdf, try kdeconnect first of all, it runs over your home network
[14:56] <foxly> ^ just download kde connect on the play store - super easy to setup
[14:57] <foxly> I had better luck with kdeconnect than I did with just using a cable - kept getting permission errors
[14:58] <sdfsdf> kde-connect cli no device specified
[14:59] <BluesKaj> foxly, have you tried kdeconnect over the internet ?  Just curious.
[14:59] <foxly> hmmm I have not, didn't even think about that being an option
[15:00] <foxly> sdfsdf you have the app installed on the phone (also connected to the wifi the computer is on)?
[15:01] <sdfsdf> ok now I am paired
[15:01] <sdfsdf> now I need to access \com
[15:02] <sdfsdf> from my computer
[15:03] <foxly> in the kdeconnect icon, you should be able to click and see an icon of a folder to open the device in the file browser
[15:03] <foxly> I think kdec defaults to have file share enabled, if not you might have to look at the settings in the phone app with what you're sharing on the computer
[15:04] <sdfsdf> i lost any kind of gui after i paired it
[15:04] <sdfsdf> foxly: isn't it mounted somewhere?
[15:05] <sdfsdf> BluesKaj: plz help
[15:05] <foxly> it should be mounted like any other device, if it isn't the kdeconnect icon in the system panel should let you just click on it and mount it, same as you do usb drives
[15:06] <sdfsdf> foxly: not mounted anywhere I can find
[15:06] <sdfsdf> i have no system panel
[15:07] <foxly> and checked the phone app settings to make sure file transfer was enabled on the phone?
[15:07] <sdfsdf> which file transfer?
[15:10] <foxly> when you're in the phone app you can click on the device and choose the settings. there's a list of checkboxes on what the device shares like "Notifications, File Transfer, SMS" etc -
[15:10] <foxly> on the desktop you don't have a section like this: https://goo.gl/images/6AgSAE
[15:10] <sdfsdf> everything is turned on in the phone
[15:11] <sdfsdf> foxly: i don't have a desktop environment
[15:11] <sdfsdf> i'm just running xor
[15:11] <sdfsdf> xorg*
[15:11] <foxly> ohhhh well that helps haha
[15:11] <foxly> got ya
[15:11] <foxly> it gets mounted just like a normal drive - kubuntu it's /media/usrname/drivename
[15:16] <sdfsdf> i want to die
[15:18] <sdfsdf> the folder i was looking for isnt there
[15:19] <foxly> so you got it mounted by the \com folder isn't there?
[15:19] <foxly> but*
[15:24] <sdfsdf> foxly: i found the android drive, but the folder i was looking for is missing
[15:25] <sdfsdf> I thought it would be in Android\data
[15:25] <sdfsdf> this is a folder i can't see in the phone because i have no root access
[15:25] <BluesKaj> sdfsdf, can you see the folder on the phone itself, perhaps it's a permissions or incorrect path issue
[15:26] <sdfsdf> BluesKaj: no, i can't access the folder in the phone, i got no priviledges to access it
[15:27] <sdfsdf> that's why i wanted to access the drive from my computer
[15:27] <BluesKaj> sdfsdf, well that won't make any difference
[15:27] <sdfsdf> what wont
[15:30] <sdfsdf> BluesKaj: hey
[15:32] <BluesKaj> accessing a folder from a different device won't change permissions
[15:32] <sdfsdf> so I did all this for nothing?
[15:32] <sdfsdf> i've read i can access it with ADB  but i dont know how to enable ADB
[15:36] <BluesKaj> adb let's you communicate with an android device , but the the device's folder perm issions remain the same ...that's for security reasons
[15:37] <sdfsdf> BluesKaj: hey
[15:37] <sdfsdf> can u help or not?
[15:37] <BluesKaj> heysd
[15:37] <BluesKaj> sdfsdf,
[15:38] <BluesKaj> seems you have a very difficult situation , so i guess i can't help unless you find a way to change permissions in that folder
[15:40] <sdfsdf> BluesKaj: go to hell then
[15:42]  * BluesKaj shrugs, well good luck with that then
[15:42] <genii> Another satisfied customer
[15:43] <BluesKaj> yeah
[15:43] <foxly> lmao
[15:43] <foxly> well I guess I'm sorry I missed that
[15:44] <BluesKaj> it's ok foxly , it's all my fault he doesn't have permissions  :-)
[15:45] <foxly> how dare you.... ruiner of life
[15:47] <foxly> my initial thought was "why would use need to root a phone to access the files?" - makes more sense now....
[15:50] <BluesKaj> I wonder who's phone, even
[15:50] <BluesKaj> whose
[16:00] <foxly> hahaha right?
[16:48] <user|84204> Hi. Is ''do-dist-upgrade'' the correct way to force upgrade from Kubuntu 16.04 to 17.04?
[16:54] <BluesKaj> user|84204,, no and you can't to skip over 16.10 to install 17.04, unless you bacup your data and do a clean 17.04 install
[16:54] <BluesKaj> backup your data
[16:55] <user|84204> ok. what if I do 16.04 -> 16.10 -> 17.04?
[16:56] <user|84204> I'm actually on 16.10 yakkety, my bad
[16:56] <genii> 16.10 is EOL and not in the regular repositories anymore
[16:57] <genii> You're better off just waiting until 18.04 and go 16.04->18.04 directly
[16:57] <BluesKaj> to upgrade to 16.10 you have to tun opff LTS only release upgrades in your package manager. sudo do-release-upgrade is the correct command
[16:57] <user|84204> I just realized I'm using 16.10 *not* 16.04 as stated before
[16:58] <user|84204> so is 16.10 -> 17.04 possible using do-release-upgrade?
[16:58] <genii> Better off with a clean install
[16:58] <BluesKaj> heh
[16:58] <BluesKaj> user|84204, yes, but as genii suggests a clean install ia always best
[16:59] <user|84204> I see
[16:59] <user|84204> thank you both for the help
[16:59] <BluesKaj> np
[17:00] <BluesKaj> ok.BBL
[18:49] <juan__> gentelmen
 We're not all men!
[18:52] <BluesKaj> or gentle
 Lol
[20:30] <javdrher2> lordievader, my issue is back :s
[20:31] <javdrher2> while working the display froze. rebooted, black screen after login was back
[20:31] <javdrher2> but this time, removing .Xauthority hasnt solved it :s
[20:31] <javdrher2> so its broken again. I can get to the login screen, then switch to tty
[20:39] <javdrher2> k new xorg packages available, trying those :s
[20:42] <javdrher2> ok and now its ruined completely pfff
[20:47] <javdrher2> Xorg terminates with a segfault :S
[20:59] <javdrher2> and... its solved
[20:59] <javdrher2> by installing nvidia. I solved something by installing an nvidia driver; usually its the other way around
[21:23] <user|77298> hey, there are french ?