[03:59] <lubot5> Sanjay was added by: Sanjay
 @Sanjay, Welcome!
 @tsimonq2, Thank you!!!
 @tsimonq2, Getting that smexy LxQt on right now :P
 :P
 I've actually been stalking the LxQt GitHub, thinking I can start my dev journey there :3
 s/LxQt/LXQt/ (it was renamed)
[04:22] <lubot5> And yeah, that would be wonderful! :D
 Ah, I'm so used to the up/low/up/low case spelling
 SoMeTiMeS iT's JuSt FoR tHe BeSt
 :P
 lol
 Jeez, it took me so fricking long to type that
 I might have carpal tunnel now
 lol
 I need some form of tie-in that auto cases my typing whenever I wanna be eDgY
[04:25] <wxl> it's called a plugin for your irc client
 I don't IRC :P
 Oh HAI wxl!
[04:26] <wxl> might be able to make the bot do it
[04:26] <tsimonq2> wxl: Ok, while you're here
[04:26] <wxl> hey
 Lol, @tsimonq2 Imma commandeer your bot 😆
[04:27] <tsimonq2> wxl: The move to dhcpcd made Lubuntu's networking (both on Lubuntu Next and stock Lubuntu) just flat out not work on laptops
[04:27] <wxl> uh
[04:27] <wxl> why?
 Well that's not great :3
[04:27] <tsimonq2> wxl: Because ifupdown etc. isn't set up with it from what I can tell in convos with cyphe  r  mox.
[04:28] <tsimonq2> wxl: Basically we have two options:
[04:28] <tsimonq2>  1. Ship Alpha 2 tomorrow with a notice.
[04:28] <tsimonq2>  2. Swap out the packages in the seed and respin the images. This'll fix the problem.
[04:29] <tsimonq2> wxl: I pinged Julien but I don't know what to do. You're also a Lubuntu RM, what should we do? :)
[04:29] <wxl> dang
[04:29] <wxl> that's a real bummer
[04:29] <wxl> it's terrible we didn't notice this before
[04:29] <wxl> but i'm sure it took real hardware
[04:29] <wxl> sigh
[04:29] <tsimonq2> And it's also a real bummer that it took us THIS freaking long to notice it
 I'm going to go stare at GitHub and figure out wtf this stuff means :D *nicholas cage face intensifies*
[04:30] <tsimonq2> Yeah it took real hardware
[04:30] <wxl> my vote is #2
[04:30] <wxl> wait
[04:30] <tsimonq2> Yes? :)
[04:30] <wxl> is there a known fix?
[04:30] <tsimonq2> Nope.
[04:30] <wxl> rather, workaround?
[04:30] <wxl> well then a notice ain't going to do it.
[04:30] <tsimonq2> wxl: Not at all. I wated TWO HOURS trying to find one.
[04:30] <tsimonq2> *wasted
[04:31] <wxl> definitely #2
[04:31] <tsimonq2> Ok.
[04:31] <tsimonq2> wxl: Do you have commit access to the seed or do I need to prepare an MP for Julien to review? :)
 Oh, all of this stuff is on Launchpad, isn't it?
 @Schyken, yep
 ffs, I've been staring at the manual
[04:32] <wxl> i don't think i have access to the seed
[04:32] <tsimonq2> wxl: Ok, I'll prepare an MP before I go to sleep
[04:32] <tsimonq2> wxl: I wish there was a nice alternative in Bazaar for git revert :/
[04:32] <wxl> yeah
[04:33] <wxl> we need to get everything under git!
[04:33] <wxl> i'm surprised everything everywhere hasn't switched yet
[04:33] <tsimonq2> wxl: Honestly that's actually possible, I've poked around in the code
[04:33] <tsimonq2> WELL
[04:33] <tsimonq2> Technically Canonical STILL maintains Bazaar
[04:34] <wxl> they also maintain LP and it's been adding more and more git support
[04:34] <wxl> in fact, that's the one major thing it HAS added recently
[04:34] <tsimonq2> wxl: But I had to poke into the code for something unrelated and it's pretty damn simple.
[04:34] <tsimonq2> Now the question is, is Lubuntu going to be the flavor that starts the Bazaar boycotting? :P
[04:35] <wxl> why not?
[04:35] <tsimonq2> wxl: Because right now I COULD totally write that PR and convert the Bazaar repo to a Git one, then pester Julien to upload it to the Launchpad Git space for ~kubuntu-dev :P
[04:35] <tsimonq2> s/kubuntu/lubuntu/
[04:36] <wxl> yep
[04:36] <wxl> maybe let's reach out to other flavor leads, ubuntu-devel, etc. and see what thoughts are on that matter
[04:36] <tsimonq2> wxl: Well the question is, is there a good reason for actually doing it besides the fact that Bazaar sucks donkey balls?
[04:37] <wxl> well git provides many more features
[04:37] <wxl> it's also far more common
[04:37] <wxl> which should help newer developers
[04:37] <tsimonq2> For sure
[04:37] <wxl> plus it will help BRAND new developers figure out how to push upstream changes
[04:38] <tsimonq2> For sure
[04:38] <tsimonq2> wxl: Have you followed the work the Ubuntu Server Team has been doing to import all their packaging into Git?
 @wxl, This interests me :3
[04:38] <tsimonq2> That's a thing
[04:38] <wxl> no
[04:38] <wxl> that's great
[04:38] <tsimonq2> The goal is to make driveby contributions super easy
[04:38] <wxl> we should ask them what their experiences/challenges are
[04:38] <wxl> yes!
[04:38] <tsimonq2> And in general make everything easy
[04:40] <tsimonq2> wxl: So I'll ponder it and when I'm ready I'll give you another ping with my plan
[04:40] <wxl> ok
[04:40] <tsimonq2> In the meantime, I'll prepare my MP in a bit
[04:40] <wxl> might have wulfie track down the boss
 @VikingRedwolf WOLF!
 @VikingRedwolf see above
[04:40] <tsimonq2> wxl: there ;)
[04:40] <wxl> heh
[04:41] <wxl> you have testers available to double check the respins?
[04:41] <tsimonq2> Erm, not off hand
[04:41] <tsimonq2> wxl: But I've been promoting the Telegram group everywhere
[04:41] <wxl> might be good to round some up and have them at the ready
[04:41] <wxl> i've noticed XD
[04:41] <tsimonq2> We have 27 people now in this Telegram group!
[04:41] <wxl> that's good
 Testars?
[04:41] <wxl> i hope it encourages some more participation
[04:41] <tsimonq2> So we should have some people who would be able to test
 *testers?
[04:42] <wxl> sounds like Schyken is ready XD
 Need someone to run it on a lappy?
 I'm always ready :3
[04:42] <tsimonq2> wxl: Otherwise when I sent my call for testing I also included the lubuntu-users list and we got more testers than usual from the regulars on the lubuntu-users list
[04:42] <tsimonq2> So I might do that in the future
 @Schyken, Yay!
[04:42] <wxl> cool
[04:43] <tsimonq2> But yeah, I need to take a shower
[04:43] <wxl> good luck with that
 Steamy
[04:43] <tsimonq2> Have a good night wxl, I know you have a bedtime :P
[04:43] <wxl> yep unlike some people XD
[04:43] <tsimonq2> tru XD
[04:43] <tsimonq2> bai o/
 @tsimonq2 moist or damp?
 (Voice, 1s) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:9090//5172402223782559753.oga
 (Voice, 1s) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:9090//5172402223782559754.oga
 😆 hahahahah
[04:44] <wxl> i
 j
 I'll be up in 6-7 hours and when I get up, I'll submit that MP and get the ball rolling on testing. Night everyone!
 Woot woot! Farewell
 @tsimonq2, Last time I checked you needed to manually start dhcpcd daemon to make it work
 I can revert the change tonight if it's necessary, it is sill early on the release process
 Ah... We are already Thursday :-/
 @julienlavergne, I'm still Wednesday! There's still time! 😆 :P
 @julienlavergne, It still didn't work when I did it.
 @julienlavergne, Please do, we can test more after the release.
 @julienlavergne, It's no big deal, the two people publishing it for all of the flavors are in US ;)
 @tsimonq2, Isn't it past your bedtime :3
 @Schyken, Noooo :P
 @tsimonq2, HUEHUEHUE Allow me to snark
 @tsimonq2, OK but tonight is in 10 h for me :-/
 We can keep dhcpcd on the LXQt ISO, less critical and it will be easier to fix it
 @julienlavergne, 10 hours is 1 PM my time, you'll be fine if you do it then. :)
 @julienlavergne, That works for me.
 It'll also give us something to test.
[12:05] <lubot5> lbssousa was added by: lbssousa
[15:11] <flexiondotorg> tsimonq2 Do you have an ETA for the Aplha 2 release?
[15:11] <flexiondotorg> Who is pulling the leavers at let loose the isos?
[15:50] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: I think slangasek is. Regardless, we're all in the US...
[15:51] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: I'm thinking anywhere between 2-7 PM Central Time, depending on a couple things.
 Just arrive home to see to change merged :-)
 Yep :)
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:9090//1-80.debdiff
 @tsimonq2, @julienlavergne I haven't been able to find a sponsor, if you could upload for me, that would be great. :)
 @julienlavergne Also while you're here, this needs looking at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1633913
 nvm https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/0.80
 @tsimonq2, Is Ubuntu Studio fixed ? Because I didn't touch this part of the seed, and there is a fix in cdimage for them, but not for us : http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/ubuntu-cdimage/mainline/revision/1665
 @julienlavergne, Oh, what? O_o
 Obviously, we want pool/ on the image ...
 For sure, I agree
 @tsimonq2, See the title of the bug report
 @julienlavergne, I'm aware, I just didn't know it was fixed for Ubuntu Studio :)
 Anyways, I'll dig into that code right now and get an MP. I'll poke someone on IRC and when it gets approved, I'll rebuild the images for Alpha 2.
 That way, fix two bugs with one rebuild, as they say. ;)
 @julienlavergne This is interesting...
 ```        elif mode == "ship-live":
[17:25] <lubot5>             if project == "kubuntu-active":
[17:25] <lubot5>                 yield "ship-active-live"
[17:25] <lubot5>             else:
[17:25] <lubot5>                 if series >= "dapper":
[17:25] <lubot5>                     yield "ship-live"```
 So for some reason, Lubuntu live images aren't being picked up by that mode.
 @julienlavergne Oh wait, this is *our* problem
 @julienlavergne Look at Ubuntu Studio's ship-live: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.artful/view/head:/ship-live
 @julienlavergne Now look at ours: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/lubuntu.artful/view/head:/ship-live
 @julienlavergne I wonder if the tooling knows to pick up ship-live-share and then the respective ship-{gtk,qt}
 Ah, probably not :-/
 I'm patching the tooling right now.
 I'll have an MP for you in less than 30 mins
 @julienlavergne https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/ubuntu-cdimage/different-ship-live-names-lubuntu/+merge/328182
 Alright, that's landed, the images are building now.
 Hopefully this can be fixed.
 @tsimonq2, You are one with the force, the force is with you
 (Photo, 523x712) http://i.imgur.com/P7AA6NN.jpg I've got the page on auto-refresh every five seconds 😆
 @Schyken, I'll yell your way once they're ready. :P
 @tsimonq2, Can you tell I like being impatient? 😆
[18:34] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Artful Alpha 2] has been updated (20170727)
[18:34] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop i386 [Artful Alpha 2] has been updated (20170727)
 @Schyken Go go go!
 @tsimonq2, +1 for the server being slow :P
 It's not been indexed yet
 I cri
 THERE WE GO
 I was getting saucy for a moment
 Tfw you accidentally save the file into your torrents folder and create a torrent :S
 @tsimonq2, Great ! Thanks :-)
 @julienlavergne, You're welcome, now let's see if it worked. ;)
[19:05] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Next Desktop amd64 [Artful Alpha 2] has been updated (20170727)
[19:05] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Next Desktop i386 [Artful Alpha 2] has been updated (20170727)
 WOOT WOOT
 @Schyken Hey, so do you have access to the ISO QA Tracker?
 @tsimonq2, I don't know tbh
 @Schyken, Do you have a Launchpad acct?
 @tsimonq2, I do :D
 Go here, log in: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/379/builds
 OOH! This is cool
 @Schyken Go to a specific test case, submit an In Progress result, and run through the test case. When that's done, change your result to pass/fail.
 @Schyken Once all the mandatory tests are done, I mark as ready.
 Fantastic :D I'll get to it :)
[20:31] <tsimonq2> I am proud to report that No Network installs now work fine with Lubuntu Artful Aardvark Alpha 2!
[20:32] <lubot5> GabrielSC was removed by: GabrielSC
 @GabrielSC, bai
 Wait @tsimonq2 there's no networking at all?
[20:41] <tsimonq2> We fixed that.
 Are you sure?
[20:41] <tsimonq2> It's just that you can now install Lubuntu with no network access.
[20:42] <tsimonq2> Yes, in the desktop images. The Alternate images are respinning now.
 I'm booted into live right now and I cant even connect to a network
 Maybe I'm doing something wrong
[20:42] <tsimonq2> @Schyken Make sure you have the latest image.
 @tsimonq2, I do, rebooting just to double check everything
 Ok :P
 Hmm
 Still no networking
 Weird
 idk
 I'll try it on another machine and see if I get the same problem
[20:48] <tsimonq2> Ok.'
[20:48] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Alternate i386 [Artful Alpha 2] has been updated (20170727.1)
 Because it connects fine for me :/
[20:49] <wxl> if you're testing with real hardware and especially if it's wifi your issue may be the card (read: broadcom sucks)
 @wxl, Ah, that may be the case.
[20:50] <wxl> it can be a royal pain in the yin yang to get it going in the installer, too
[20:50] <wxl> i'd just plug in your ethernet cable and make sure that works
 @wxl, That's what I'm trying. Ah, don't have Ethernet ports, but I should be able to route it via USB
[20:51] <wxl> that will most likely help
[20:51] <wxl> i've seen a rare case where a USB adapter doesn't work
[20:51] <wxl> but it's very rare
[20:54] <tsimonq2> fuuuuuuuuuuuu-
[20:54] <tsimonq2> bug 1706445
[20:54] <tsimonq2> I can reproduce it
[20:54] <tsimonq2> It still works, just doesn't show a slider
[20:54] <tsimonq2> It's a bug for sure
[20:54] <tsimonq2> Just not a really urgent one.
[20:54] <wxl> but ONLY for lubuntu?
[20:54] <tsimonq2> I don't know that.
[20:55] <wxl> yeah needs more investigation
[20:55] <wxl> it's alpha, make a note, move on
[20:55] <tsimonq2> Alright, yeah, that was my plan./
 Networking doesn't seem to be working at all for me within the installer, but I'll install and see if I have any luck afterwards
[20:56] <wxl> @Schyken do you know how to investigate that further? look at logs, ping, ifconfig, etc? cuz that might be something good to look into
 @wxl, Yeah, I was just about to copy the logs over to a USB rn. Still need to get iwconfig
 Hm, that's strange
 lubuntu-next@lubuntu-next:~$ iwconfig
[21:05] <lubot5> lo        no wireless extensions.
[21:05] <lubot5> wlp1s0    IEEE 802.11  ESSID:off/any
[21:05] <lubot5>           Mode:Managed  Access Point: Not-Associated   Tx-Power=0 dBm
[21:05] <lubot5>           Retry short limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[21:05] <lubot5>           Power Management:on
[21:06] <tsimonq2> Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, yeah Lubuntu Next networking is borked
[21:06] <tsimonq2> That's expected
[21:06] <tsimonq2> I thought you were talking about stock Lubuntu!
 Ah, sorry, I wasn't very specific, was I :P
 Haha, well, I'll work on Lubuntu for now ;)
 @Schyken Try Lubuntu Alternate i386 images?
 @Schyken Or maybe just Desktop i386?
 Is that an invitation? :P
 @Schyken, Yes.
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[21:30] <tsimonq2> 1 down, 5 to go
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