[08:01] <Laney> morning!
[08:07] <seb128> hey Laney willcooke
[08:07] <seb128> how is u.k today?
[08:07] <willcooke> morning seb128
[08:07] <willcooke> grey
[08:07] <willcooke> how about you?
[08:07] <seb128> same
[08:11] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:12] <Laney> broke a big stem off a plant this morning while re-potting it
[08:12] <Laney> ffsssssssssss
[08:12] <seb128> doh
[08:12] <seb128> Laney, when do you start your journey to Manchester? ;-)
[08:12] <Laney> this afternoon
[08:12] <Laney> need to pack
[08:14] <Laney> wonder if kenvandine made it
[08:34] <duflu> koza: Would you like me to migrate your 5.46 into the git repo? I haven't set up the tarball for it yet though
[08:34] <duflu> But once done, all you need to do is pull/push
[08:34] <seb128> hey duflu
[08:35] <duflu> Hi seb128
[08:36] <seb128> duflu, you worked a bit on pulseaudio? is there a special workflow? I want to put a change up for review that remove the trust store changeset (so start, we might want to remove other ubuntu touch patches then as well)
[08:36] <koza> duflu, please do, all i did was src pkg
[08:36] <duflu> koza: OK will try to do that before end of today
[08:36] <duflu> seb128, yes, I think, let me check before I answer properly
[08:39] <duflu> seb128, yes the only special workflow is that pulseaudio for artful is kept in the 'ubuntu' branch: https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/pulseaudio
[08:40] <duflu> "Just use git" is the workflow. You should be able to generate debdiffs and debs directly from the ubuntu branch
[08:41] <seb128> duflu, thanks
[08:42] <duflu> seb128, a prettier history is here: https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/pulseaudio/log/?h=ubuntu
[08:43] <seb128> k
[08:51] <andyrock> good morning
[08:52] <duflu> Morning andyrock
[08:52] <koza> seb128: you can also try to try git ubuntu (made by nacc from server team), just type snap install git-ubuntu && git ubuntu import --no-push --no-clean pulseaudio and after a while you will get a branch per each ubuntu release plus a branch for dsc files. Quite nice to see history of changes in the archives.
[08:53] <seb128> koza, I was reading that wikipage, seems worth giving it a try indeed, thanks
[08:53] <koza> seb128: differnt branches for patches applied and unapplied versions too!
[08:53] <koza> duflu: ^^^
[08:54] <duflu> Interesting. I will hold off changing processes yet again right now. It's almost different for every repo I use
[08:55] <koza> :-)
[08:56] <Laney> biab
[08:56] <koza> makes SRUs as easy as cherry-picking a single commit
[08:56] <seb128> koza, btw your bluez update, you deleted the 5.45 entry from the changelog, I guess you edited it to change the 5 in 6, but you should add a new changelog entry instead
[08:56] <seb128> koza, it's no issue for the ppa version but needs to be fixed for the archive upload
[08:57] <seb128> Laney, later
[08:57] <koza> seb128: right, now I know. I ahve made a really quick src package just for testing purposes thus a ci-train ppa.
[08:57] <seb128> hey andyrock, sorry I was in middle of other things and forgot your greetings :-)
[09:00] <duflu> willcooke, here's some fun for you. Not sure about the best place to publish so... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clutter-gst-3.0/+bug/1701463/comments/3
[09:01] <willcooke> duflu, will take a look in a mo, just on a call (hint hint seb128)
[09:02] <willcooke> oh wait
[09:02] <willcooke> my bad
[09:02] <seb128> willcooke, ?
[09:02] <seb128> I don't have any call before this afternoon in my calendar
[09:09] <andyrock> seb128: forgiven! :D
[09:11] <seb128> :-)
[09:19] <willcooke> duflu, is that clutter-gst for artul?
[09:19] <willcooke> artful*
[09:19] <duflu> willcooke, yes artful. Would you like me to try copying them for zesty?
[09:20] <willcooke> duflu, no, no worries.  Artful is where it's at for me
[09:25] <duflu> willcooke, crucially point-and-click video playback now works. But there are smaller lingering performance bugs to resolve later
[09:27] <willcooke> duflu, that's awesome work, thank you!  I will do some testing ASAP.  And I think some social media activity is warranted here as well.  Do you have the time and/or inclination to write something as a bit more of a narrative than the wiki page?
[09:28] <duflu> willcooke, today no, another day yes
[09:28] <willcooke> duflu, sure, not today, or even this week, but ya know, one day
[09:30] <duflu> Upstream just spoke their first few words about it minutes ago. Wonder how that will go
[09:34] <duflu> I did also draft a flowchart... but ran out of paper. That will take another attempt :P
[09:38] <willcooke> lol
[09:50] <seb128> duflu, do you use gbp to build packages for the pulseaudio git checkout?
[09:51] <duflu> seb128, I use debuild for everything. No idea what gbp is
[09:51] <seb128> git-builpackages, tools to work better with packaging in git
[09:52] <seb128> if you use debuild in the checkout it changes the content and you need to clean out after?
[09:52] <seb128> or do you extract a debdiff that you apply to the deb?
[09:53] <duflu> seb128, AFAIK no special tooling is required. That's the goal of my git layout(s), to have a tree that's always ready for packaging, however you like. A second goal is to maintail full history to upstream master
[09:53] <duflu> *maintain
[09:53] <duflu> It appears some existing solutions don't bother with that second part
[09:53] <seb128> k
[09:54] <seb128> shrug
[09:54] <seb128> I'm back at doing a rm of things and starting fresh again
[09:54] <seb128> I don't understand how people can work with git, it's just an usability disaster
[10:02] <duflu> seb128, admittedly I find myself with a similar problem now. But it's dinner time...
[10:02] <seb128> duflu, enjoy
[10:19] <didrocks> hey hey!
[10:19] <willcooke> hi didrocks
[10:25] <Laney> hey didrocks
[10:26] <Laney> where are you?
[10:28] <didrocks> Laney: CDG
[10:29] <didrocks> will soon board to Manchester, when do you arrive?
[10:30] <Laney> like 18.30
[10:30] <Laney> lucky you getting to visit CDG
[10:31] <didrocks> sooooooooooo nice
[10:31] <didrocks> arriving terminal 2E, bus to terminal 2F
[10:31] <didrocks> and back to terminal 2E to take my flight :)
[10:31] <Laney> hope the free booze is worth it
[10:32] <didrocks> none!
[10:32] <didrocks> it's just the plane is too big for the 2F gates
[10:32] <didrocks> so, they stop it at 2E+bus
[10:33] <didrocks> time for boarding! see you later guys
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[10:55] <Trevinho> seb128, Laney: hey, I think https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2841 is ready for being published, however the automated testing fails... It's because some unity8 failures which I guess we won't fix now... Can we ignore that?
[11:25] <Laney> Trevinho: I guess so, but you might have to argue with the SRU team
[11:31] <willcooke> Laney, for dbgsym do I need to add another repo?
[11:31] <willcooke> per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages
[11:32] <Laney> dhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash#Non-built-in_debug_symbol_packages_.28.2A-dbgsym.29
[11:32] <willcooke> ta
[11:33] <Trevinho> Laney: well, I think we can win that battle...
[11:34] <Trevinho> given the u8 status
[11:34] <Trevinho> and that i didn't cause for sure that test failure
[11:35] <willcooke> Laney,  gnome-software-dbgsym : Depends: gnome-software (= 3.24.3-0ubuntu7) but 3.25.4-1ubuntu1 is to be installed
[11:35] <Laney> did you add ddebs from proposed?
[11:37] <willcooke> no, I blindly copied and pasted. soz
[11:40] <willcooke> fixed
[11:41] <Laney> cool
[11:45] <willcooke> Laney, did I do this right?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/25183338/
[11:45] <willcooke> if so I will attach to the bug
[11:46] <Laney> yeah, that's the same as the bugs I linked
[11:47] <willcooke> worth attaching to the bug?
[11:47] <Laney> although the backtrace indicates you don't have snapd-glib's symbols installed :-)
[11:47] <Laney> you can if you like
[11:48] <willcooke> grr, sorry
[11:48] <willcooke> I'll redo it and attach it
[11:48] <Laney> doesn't matter so much
[11:48] <Laney> but might be useful in the future
[11:48] <willcooke> heh, 2nd time I try it of course it works
[12:19] <darkxst> willcooke, Laney you guys heading to GUADEC?
[12:20] <willcooke> darkxst, just going for one day on Monday
[12:21] <darkxst> ok cool, I am in Manchester now ;)
[12:21] <darkxst> finally escaped the mountains!
[12:22] <darkxst> would be great to catch up with whichever desktop team members are heading over!
[12:27] <jbicha> darkxst: catch up on your sleep too ;)
[12:27] <jbicha> crazy time zones :(
[12:45] <Laney> darkxst: later on
[13:47] <willcooke> hey robert_ancell!  Which TZ are you in now?
[13:47] <robert_ancell> willcooke, same as you!
[13:47] <willcooke> \o/
[13:47] <robert_ancell> And then I realised, hang on, it's still work hours :(
[13:47] <willcooke> hah
[13:48] <robert_ancell> Or can I still claim +12 timezone...
[13:48] <willcooke> wfm
[13:48] <willcooke> ;)
[13:48]  * Laney whips robert_ancell 
[13:48] <Laney> GET TO WORK!
[13:48] <robert_ancell> ow
[13:49] <Laney> that's how we do things over here
[13:49] <willcooke> down t' pit
[13:49] <Laney> we've got our country back you know
[13:49] <willcooke> lol
[13:51] <Laney> ffs
[13:52] <Laney> I forgot to bring my drive with debian/ubuntu mirrors on
[13:52] <Laney> having it while travelling was supposed to be one of the main benefits
[13:53] <robert_ancell> Will GUADEC no longer be able to go to the UK anymore?
[13:53] <robert_ancell> or be called GUADEANDUKC
[13:54] <Laney> :-)
[13:54] <Laney> I think it's been to Norway before
[13:54] <Laney> and some people talked about a Norway-style arrangement if we voted to Leave, so ...
[13:54] <Laney> presumably they were talking about the continued possibility of hosting GUADEC
[13:56] <robert_ancell> I'm sure that's one of the main negotiation points happening right now
[14:10] <robert_ancell> willcooke, did you have any more info about why the snapd featured list is ordered? Richard was asking
[14:11] <Laney> -Wmisleading-indentation to the rescue
[14:11] <willcooke> robert_ancell, why is it ordered from the store, or why do we want it ordered in the UI?
[14:11] <robert_ancell> willcooke, the latter, but that's driven by the former
[14:12] <robert_ancell> It is intended to be ordered from most important to least important right?
[14:12] <willcooke> I'm not worried about it being ordered in the UI, except for.. if there are n snaps being promoted and we can only support n-1 in the UI for common screen res. (1080 say) then one of them randomly vanishes - and we want some control over which one vanishes
[14:13] <willcooke> so yeah, kinda importance ordered, but not really - just that we want some level of control - if we have to lose one of them, then we can control that at the store level
[14:13] <robert_ancell> So it's considered better to always truncate the latter ones rather than randomizing (thus showing them all to every user at some point)
[14:16] <willcooke> interesting question, but let me ask a preceding question... can we randomise [1:n] and always trim 0 off for the featured app?
[14:17] <seb128> hey robert_ancell
[14:17] <robert_ancell> seb128, hello
[14:17] <robert_ancell> willcooke, yes, we only provide [1:n] to g-s which it then randomizes
[14:18] <robert_ancell> [0] goes to featured
[14:19] <willcooke> robert_ancell, oki, cool - sec
[14:24] <willcooke> robert_ancell, bear with me, I'll ping you back asap
[14:24] <robert_ancell> ok
[14:30] <andyrock> Trevinho: X sru works ok now
[14:30] <andyrock> do I need to approve something?
[14:35] <seb128> does anyone know how to push git branches on lp so you can mp changes?
[14:35] <seb128> e.g I would like to propose changes to https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/pulseaudio/log/?h=ubuntu
[14:36] <seb128> I pushed to https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/+git/pulseaudio/+ref/ubuntu but it doesn't have an option to mp the changes
[14:41] <Laney> seb128: push to ~seb128/pulseaudio
[14:43] <Laney> ~user/+git/... is like +junk in bzr
[14:44] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[14:45] <Laney> https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Git#Repository_URLs
[14:45] <Laney> not that easy to understand
[14:59] <Laney> k, going to train station
[14:59] <Laney> not sure I'll be able to get online - ttyl if not
[15:04] <didrocks> at least, you won't lose your luggage :p
[15:04] <seb128> bah
[15:05] <seb128> what is a " Target reference path" for a git mp in launchpad?
[15:05] <seb128> didrocks, you did?
[15:05] <seb128> hey didrocks btw :-)
[15:05] <didrocks> seb128: well, yes, apparently, luggage stuck at CDG
[15:06] <didrocks> I hope they will find it and reroute to the next flight
[15:06] <didrocks> but I guess no news before tomorrow morning :/
[15:06] <seb128> "fun"
[15:07] <didrocks> yeah…
[17:39] <willcooke> night all
[19:14] <andyrock> ninght all!
[19:25] <seb128> night