[05:11] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:16] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:31] <MooDoo> good moaning
[06:44] <brobostigon> morning
[10:21] <foobarry> so... how can i get a google play book onto kindle/kobo?
[10:38] <zmoylan-pi> with great difficulty?
[10:39] <zmoylan-pi> or has calibre got a way?
[10:40] <diplo> I convert all books I buy from Amazon to remove drm, not tried from Google Play though
[10:41] <diplo> https://github.com/apprenticeharper/DeDRM_tools
[10:42] <diplo> I use that foobarry
[10:43] <foobarry> looks like i need adobe digital editions and all that malarkey
[10:43] <foobarry> really struggled the last time
[10:51] <diplo> Ah right, I used Amazons Kindle software ( has to be an older version ) for my conversions
[10:51] <foobarry> needed wine and activepython
[10:51] <diplo> as my kindle isn't connected to wifi
[10:53] <foobarry> wonder if i need a windows VM to make this easier
[10:54] <foobarry> since i have a adobe digital editions acsm file
[10:57] <diplo> Ah yes, I do this on my work PC for that reason
[11:03] <zmoylan-pi> sounds like it might be less hassle to retype in the book.... :-)
[12:07] <diddledan> I've finally seen Lez Miserable!
[12:08] <diddledan> pretty awesome if you like that kind of thing (which I do :-p)
[12:10] <foobarry> virtualbox hosed my PC. not even ctrl-alt-f1 worked
[12:10] <diddledan> foobarry: quitter :-p
[12:10] <foobarry> windows strikes again
[12:10] <diddledan> in those instances I like the goto of ctrl+alt+sysrq R E I S U B
[12:10] <foobarry> last time i touched it , it wiped linux on my laptop
[12:11] <foobarry> during the anniversary update
[12:11] <foobarry> the anniversay of not letting windows near your bare metal again
[12:11] <diddledan> err ctrl+shift**
[12:11] <diddledan> or is it ctrl+alt+shift
[12:11] <diddledan> press all the things, you can't miss :-p
[12:12] <zmoylan-pi> mash keyboard with one hand till a message pops up :-)
[12:13] <diddledan> you Irish and your potatoes! do NOT put mash on your keyboard. it is a pain to remove.
[12:13] <diddledan> seagulls about again
[12:14] <zmoylan-pi> seagulls or... *dun* *dun* *dunnnnnn* omen pigeons....
[12:14] <diddledan> it's either seagulls or those pigeons are damned good impersonators
[13:56] <diddledan> haha: https://twitter.com/heyitsgarrett/status/890933701600727040
[13:58] <foobarry> calibre UI makes me cry
[13:59] <brainrangers> foobarry: its the buttons maan .. DAH BUTTONS
[13:59] <brainrangers> they are Huuuuuuuuuuge
[14:01] <foobarry> weirdly one book converts, and the other doesn't
[14:02] <brainrangers> hmm. DRM ?
[14:02] <foobarry> i just bought them at the same time
[14:02] <foobarry> i added dedrm to calibre
[14:02] <brainrangers> that IS odd
[14:03] <zmoylan-pi> calibre ui is done that way to make you feel bad every time you use it to break drm on a book... :-P
[14:03] <brainrangers> hahaa smittix
[14:03] <brainrangers> zmoylan-pi:
[14:04] <foobarry> Adobe introduced a new DRM scheme with ADE 3.0 and later. Install ADE 2.0.1 and register with the same Adobe ID. If you can't open your book in ADE 2.01, then you have a book with the new DRM scheme. These tools can't help. You can avoid the new DRM scheme by always downloading your ebooks with ADE 2.0.1. Some retailers will require ADE 3.0 or later, in which case you won't be able to download with ADE
[14:04] <foobarry>  2.0.1.
[14:04] <zmoylan-pi> i'm seeing more in favour of typing it in... :-P
[14:04] <foobarry> yeah zmoylan-pi but its my book :(
[14:05] <foobarry> and my eyes
[14:05] <zmoylan-pi> you only rented it foobarry
[14:05] <zmoylan-pi> they retained ownership
[14:05] <brainrangers> Drm Sucks
[14:05] <foobarry> i have android, kobo and kindle
[14:05] <foobarry> and can't even read books i buy on them
[14:05] <foobarry> no wonder people torrent
[14:05] <zmoylan-pi> drm sucks and breaking it is unfortunately the right thing to do.  i usually buy a paper copy of book and then download an illegal file that i know will work everywhere
[14:06]  * brainrangers hasnt read a paper book in YEARS
[14:06] <diplo> foobarry: Same reason why I use an old version of Kindle books and stopped it auto updating
[14:07] <diplo> If I can't break the DRM of something I've purchased I do the same thing zmoylan-pi
[14:12] <zmoylan-pi> first ran into this when i bought a book on mobipocket on palm wayyyyy back.  never got around to reading the book.  then after replacing my palm with shinier new model i couldn't open it... never bought drm book since
[14:13] <diddledan> which is more legal. ripping DRM off, or downloading a pirated copy (in both instances of a product you possess in physical form)
[14:13] <foobarry> think i've cracked it now
[14:14] <zmoylan-pi> not so much which is more legal as to which can lead to bigger prosecution
[14:14] <foobarry> its not illegal to rip DRM off your own book
[14:15] <diddledan> it is in murrica
[14:15] <foobarry> its not a crime to download it either i don't think . somebody may argue its a copyright violation
[14:15] <foobarry> but they wou;ldn't pursue if you prove you owned it
[14:15] <diddledan> afaik it is here too
[14:15] <foobarry> there is an antiquated law about format shifting but its a civil not criminal law
[14:16] <foobarry> and makes you a bad person if you rip your own CD to mp3
[14:17] <zmoylan-pi> i rip my cds but i don't then sell them on afterwards... i put them in storage
[14:17] <foobarry> yep
[14:17] <foobarry> same for dvd
[14:18] <foobarry> although thats more painful
[14:18] <foobarry> amazon are more in breach, since i buy a CD for my niece and they try to give me the mp3 files via autrip
[14:18] <diddledan> yeah, format shifting is allowed, but ripping DRM off is a different story I think. if British law follows the DMCA in merrica which is how everyone has tried to lobby at leasst, then you're perfectly allowed under fair use to make copies but circumventing "an effective technological measure" is not allowed even if doing so to meet your ability to make a backup
[14:19] <foobarry> diddledan: however kindle DeDRms the book when you read it
[14:19] <foobarry> all you are doing is the same thing
[14:22] <zmoylan-pi> and apple have just killed off ipod nanos and shuffles so the devices that made everyone lawbreakers are now gone before the law has been sorted :-)
[14:22] <diddledan> :-)
[14:23]  * zmoylan-pi sits down and waits to see who gets the patent money for flint axes...
[14:23] <brainrangers> :( ..byebye iPod :(
[14:24] <zmoylan-pi> the ipod touch is all that's left and that's an iphone without the phone
[14:25] <zmoylan-pi> i had an ipod nano 8gb and an ipod classic 128gb.  great devices for watching tv movies on bus
[14:27] <brainrangers> 3rd gen ipod and then an ipod video
[14:27] <zmoylan-pi> even on the ipod nano i could read the subtitles of seven samurai in daylight
[14:27] <brainrangers> had a big crush on cali lewis on that ipod screen *sigh*
[14:28] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, i used to watch her daily podcast... was dead neat on itunes...
[14:28] <zmoylan-pi> now i just use audio podcasts on podcatcher... no desktop needed
[14:29] <zmoylan-pi> it's a pity there's no decent library handling on linux android
[14:29] <brainrangers> same here . I use downcast on my iphone
[14:30] <foobarry> i use my cowon iaudio for podcasts
[14:30] <zmoylan-pi> on ipod i could tell it to copy 3 unwatched episodes of a dozen tv shows and as i watched them and resynced it would copy on later episodes
[14:30] <foobarry> don't have much storage or battery on my phone, but the cowon is awesome and lasts forever
[14:30] <foobarry> never knowingly undercharged
[14:30]  * zmoylan-pi pats shiny new phone with 64gb card... the 32gb card was always almost full...
[14:31] <zmoylan-pi> 10gb music, 10gb audio comedy, 10gb ebooks, audio books
[14:32] <brainrangers> 10 GIG EBOOKS ?
[14:32] <brainrangers> are you planning an interstellar journey and need something to read ?
[14:32] <zmoylan-pi> some of them are pdfs basically jpgs in a pdf
[14:32] <zmoylan-pi> scans of d&d manuals
[14:35] <foobarry> i use zinio heavily for free magz for my library
[14:36] <foobarry> its sluggish but they have about 500 popular magz including linux format and linux user/developer and pi mag
[14:36] <zmoylan-pi> but i suspect i'll just fill the 64gb card and need to get a 128gb card... so back to ipod classic levels... i could stuff an entire season of star trek ds9 on that :-)
[14:36] <foobarry> no longer need to feel bad about skimning a magazine and not reading it all
[14:40] <brainrangers> i currently have season 3 of halt and catch fire on the ipad
[14:43] <foobarry> i watched it but it was meh
[14:44] <diddledan> I enjoyed the first two seasons of Halt and Catch Fire. Haven't got around to the third yet
[14:44] <diddledan> so much nostalgia
[14:44] <zmoylan-pi> i watched first season and meh.  then again first time i watched first season of mad men i felt the same
[14:44] <brainrangers> i got a boatload of C64 nostalgia
[14:44] <diddledan> nostalgia isn't what it used to be though
[14:45] <diddledan> from twitter: Overheard at #Blackhat: "He's so boring that the hackers who stole his identity later returned it"
[14:46] <brainrangers> diddledan: agree
[14:46] <brainrangers> do you think its actually possible what they show you in the show ? proto facebook with C64 ?
[14:47] <diddledan> sure, it's just dialing into a mainframe is all
[14:48] <zmoylan-pi> bbses in the 80s were huge in usa. not so much this side of the pond as modems were expensive and calls even more so
[14:48] <brainrangers> true
[14:48] <diddledan> the US had free local calling which in the uk cost per minute
[14:49] <zmoylan-pi> as the fastest typist at work it wsa my job to connect to american bbses to get drivers or download guides for sierra games :-)
[14:50] <diddledan> my Dad has a story of a video conference unit using ISDN (I think) which was left connected to some far flung location over a weekend
[14:50] <diddledan> needless to say the boss wasn't pleased with the phonebill
[14:50] <brainrangers> 4 isdn lines give you a pretty good resolution . We had vidconf hardware that used to be able to do that in my previous company
[14:51] <diddledan> yeah, ISDN was nifty in that it did bondage OOTB
[14:51] <diddledan> bonding*
[14:52] <zmoylan-pi> oh my boss left isdn vpn connected to cork from dublin on for entire bank holiday weekend.  not cheap
[14:52] <diddledan> :-)
[14:53] <brainrangers> auwaauwauw
[14:53] <diddledan> you know the Dial (parliament). Dad used to have to dial the Dial to provide support :-p
[14:54] <zmoylan-pi> walk in monday... go to use it and see it's connected... i don't disconeect in case something is been monitored... ask around... find my boss was using it... wait a few hours for him to stagger in late... and then ask... fun times...
[14:54] <zmoylan-pi> *tuesday
[14:54] <foobarry> alibre has a binary install that includes private versions of all its dependencies. It runs on 32-bit and 64-bit Intel compatible machines. To install or upgrade, simply copy paste the following command into a terminal and press Enter:
[14:54] <foobarry> sudo -v && wget -nv -O- https://download.calibre-ebook.com/linux-installer.py | sudo python -c "import sys; main=lambda:sys.stderr.write('Download failed\n'); exec(sys.stdin.read()); main()"
[14:54] <foobarry> YOU BAD PERSON!
[14:54] <diddledan> I wonder if the Dial still contract Sony for their video archival system
[14:55] <brainrangers> i wish there was a command line way to add books to the calibre library
[14:55] <brainrangers> then I could run the machine completely headless
[14:55] <zmoylan-pi> does it not have command line options?
[14:55] <foobarry> it does
[14:55] <diddledan> foobarry: from what I can gather the Calibre guys have a somewhat lackadaisical approach to security
[14:55] <foobarry> and standards
[14:55] <foobarry> and UX
[14:56] <diddledan> https://git.zx2c4.com/calibre-mount-helper-exploit/about/
[14:56] <foobarry> sigh
[15:01] <foobarry> going to an island for 1 week
[15:01] <foobarry> feel unprepared in terms of visual media to take
[15:02] <foobarry> i feel like somebody should fork calibre and rip out the UI for something simple. i'll never read books using it
[15:03] <foobarry> or fetch news (although i used to get lwn.net from it)
[15:03] <brainrangers> calibredb add [options] file1 file2 file3 ...
[15:03] <brainrangers> :) Command line adding to Calibre :) Shweeeet
[15:04] <foobarry> tried adding onedrive to rclone but it doesn't work (yet) with onedrive for business :(
[15:09] <brainrangers> God , onedrive is a disaster
[15:10] <diddledan> my niblings are taking the trope of bad depictions of female amour to the extreme with their re-dressing of wonderwoman:  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/KV4Svwkb/wonderwoman-naked.jpg
[15:16] <brainrangers> at least she has hips
[15:16] <brainrangers> why is the one girl purple ? is that Choke-me-barbie ?
[15:17] <diddledan> I have no idea
[15:17] <diddledan> her wrist is somewhat askew, too
[15:42] <diddledan> soyuz is away safely
[15:49] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/LDrUiZk.jpg - Samsung S5 repair, so not worth the time :D
[15:49] <daftykins> having to go in through the screen, which was glued in = eww
[15:56] <TwistedLucidity> It's more and more common
[15:57] <daftykins> yip, not mine though thankfully
[15:57] <TwistedLucidity> Items are rarely designed to be torn down and fixed, slim is king.
[15:57] <diddledan> gimme a desktop with plugin bits
[15:57] <TwistedLucidity> People pour scorn on Dyson, but at least I can strip mine with little more than a screw driver.
[15:58] <TwistedLucidity> Heck, one reason I got a ThinkPad was that I can take the thing apart to fix whatever it broken.
[15:58] <diddledan> Dyson are expensive though :-(
[15:58] <daftykins> that they are
[15:58] <daftykins> crikey, Sark where i just went have electricity units priced at 69p
[15:59] <daftykins> and a tonne of sand which'd be maybe £20-30 on Guernsey would cost £160 to them
[15:59] <diddledan> ouch
[16:00] <daftykins> 18p for a unit for me
[16:01] <daftykins> but we have a high and a low rate at set hours, that usual scheme i'm sure is around England too for load balancing?
[16:02] <martinb61> Anyone in the UK using FreeCAD?
[16:03] <daftykins> might be better just to jump straight into the actual question
[16:04] <martinb61> Anyone got an opinion on it, good bad or just not up to the other tools?
[16:04] <diddledan> can only UK people have an opinion, or is zmoylan-pi allowed to provide one, too? :-p
[16:05] <martinb61> anyone can answer
[16:05] <diddledan> personally I've never done cad at all, let alone with freecad
[19:43] <diddledan> this looks... yeah. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU9G5eMCA1o
[19:43] <diddledan> sorry that was russian, this is the engrish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHoxuW01heg
[19:49] <diddledan> then for straight to dvd, there's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQKv-ZLxSTg
[21:16] <daftykins> that waggot fella has issues
[21:16] <diddledan> bleeping waggott!
[21:16] <daftykins> is an op going to do something, or is it a common rule for all #u channels to do nothing? :)
[21:16] <zmoylan-pi> i just put him on ignore as his bouncing was annoying earlier
[22:00] <daftykins> mmm
[22:01] <daftykins> gah, upgraded Kodi on my Amazon FireTV to 17.3 from 16.1 to see if it fixed bitstreaming Dolby Digital Plus audio, it did - but it broke DTS bitstreaming at the same time
[22:01] <daftykins> only way to revert wiped all my config :)
[22:02] <daftykins> and now it's too late for a film!
[22:02] <daftykins> bed!
[22:03]  * zmoylan-pi breaks out the glove puppets....
[22:22] <zmoylan-pi> ...and sammy the squirrel went *neep* *neep* *neep* and they all went home for tea...