[00:12] <Unit193> Wait, not working for you?  It should, I've got it on artful/amd64, artful/i386 and zesty/i386. :3
[00:56] <bluesabre> Evening all
[00:56] <bluesabre> Not sure what happened, flocculant let me know what I can do to help
[00:59] <bluesabre> flocculant: it's all context sensitive, Parole's "Clear History" just clears it from the recent items, the playlist is session-based unless the setting is toggled to persist across sessions
[01:00] <bluesabre> Unit193: making some good progress on the pa plugin currently, got some stuff that compiles, and a screenshot that I hope to achieve https://i.imgur.com/pCXUY9S.png
[01:12] <flocculant> Unit193: who knows - the new one appears to do sod all
[01:13] <flocculant> bluesabre: works here - in the real world - not sure what Dave is seeing tbh - just responding to cooment on tracker tab
[01:13] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oooh, shiny!
[01:13] <flocculant> Unit193: I like shiny 
[01:13] <Unit193> flocculant: OK, is indicator-application installed and running?
[01:13] <flocculant> covers up all the bad things :p
[01:14] <flocculant> Unit193: not sure tbh - not convinced reboot happened
[01:16] <flocculant> ii  xfce4-statusnotifier-plugin   0.1.0-0ppa1~17.10
[01:18] <Unit193> OK, just make sure indicator-application isn't running, and that statusnotifier is added to the panel of course.
[01:19] <flocculant> wolf      3979  3836  0 02:18 pts/1    00:00:00 grep --color=auto xfce4-statusnotifier-plugin
[01:19] <flocculant> could be - not convinced about reboot
[01:19] <flocculant> ^^
[01:19] <Unit193> Nope, you'd grep for statusnotifier
[01:20] <flocculant> wolf      3992  3836  0 02:20 pts/1    00:00:00 grep --color=auto *statusnotifier-plugin
[01:20] <flocculant> brb
[01:21] <Unit193> unit193    2434  0.0  0.7 580128 14896 ?        Sl   Jul24   0:21  \_ /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xfce4/panel/wrapper-2.0 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xfce4/panel/plugins/libstatusnotifier.so 24 12582940 statusnotifier Status Notifier Plugin Provides a panel area for status notifier items (application indicators)
[01:21] <Unit193> bluesabre: But seriously, that's pretty fantastic.  I don't suppose you've poked andrzejr?
[01:21] <flocculant> webootid
[01:21] <bluesabre> Unit193: I'll poke him once I have something functional
[01:22] <flocculant> Unit193 bluesabre - tbh not really sure wht this plugin gives us, nor sure what difference to what we had
[01:23] <ninetls> flocculant: hide "Application Indicator" from indicator-plugin, restart it (pkill panel-.*-indica), kill service (pkill indicator-applic), sn-plugin should work then
[01:23] <flocculant> and to be completewly frank
[01:23] <ninetls> bluesabre: nice!
[01:23] <flocculant> I have no ide what idea ANY of the things I grab from ooa's give me any more
[01:23] <flocculant> and I don't knwo if Dave is about
[01:23] <bluesabre> a headache? :D
[01:24] <flocculant> and I've got a whole shit load of stuff to do next year - none of which actually need a pc at all :p
[01:25] <Unit193> flocculant: It being Xfce upstream is certainly a plus, it's actually maintained whereas -application will be less and less.  indicator-application covers a minimal portion of the 'indicator' spec whereas statusnotifier covers more, and better.  The indicators keep changing, it's been more and more of a pain to keep them working with xfce4-indicator-plugin, even now if they're terminated wrong, the 
[01:25] <Unit193> icons will disappear with the applications still running..
[01:25] <Unit193> ninetls: That about cover it?
[01:26] <ninetls> Unit193: didn't understand!
[01:26] <Unit193> Dowh. :(
[01:26] <ninetls> > That about cover it?
[01:26] <flocculant> yea icons disappeared - but given I wasn't actually expecting that - nor them randomly appearing it just felt like some of that
[01:27] <ninetls> really don't know how to translate it correctly
[01:27] <flocculant> xfec do shit and then eventually tell people and THEN it is normal
[01:28] <Unit193> ninetls: "Did I cover the various ways the panel plugin statusnotifier is better, in Ubuntu, than using xfce4-indicator-plugin with indicator-application" :D
[01:28] <ninetls> nice!
[01:28] <ninetls> I understand this!
[01:28] <ninetls> !!
[01:28] <ninetls> yes
[01:29] <Unit193> flocculant: As long as the plugin is loaded into the panel, ie you added it, then you should be set.
[01:29] <Unit193> xfce4-panel --add statusnotifier
[01:30] <ninetls> wow
[01:30] <ninetls> panel can even this?
[01:30] <ninetls> I didn't know about this command!
[01:31] <Unit193> It'll ask you which panel if you have two, but yeah.
[01:31] <Unit193> -a just brings up the dialog for selecting the plugin.
[03:05] <bluesabre> a bit more progress, http://imgur.com/a/2yvOz :)
[03:05] <bluesabre> night all
[03:06] <flocculant> oooh
[03:07] <flocculant> bluesabre: that soundy stuff - share it with me - I alsa for music for usb/dac 
[03:07] <flocculant> so can test it outside pulse
[03:08] <bluesabre> ah
[03:08] <bluesabre> not sure pulseaudio-plugin works well with alsa, but maybe it does? :D
[03:08] <flocculant> :D
[03:09] <bluesabre> anywho, will notify folks when I have something functional
[03:09] <flocculant> well atm it fails as well as the other plugin - eg does zilch :)
[03:10] <flocculant> bluesabre: if you've got a goit one that sees medfia players - I will happily test that
[14:07] <bluesabre> thoughts? http://imgur.com/a/CGbBu
[14:08] <knome> about what exactly? :)
[14:08] <bluesabre> working on adding sound-indicator powers to the pulseaudio-plugin
[14:08] <knome> generally looks good to me
[14:09] <bluesabre> the media players specifically :)
[14:09] <knome> no complaints
[14:10] <bluesabre> cool
[14:10] <bluesabre> might have this working by the end of the weekend :)
[14:12] <knome> :)
[14:26] <knome> i wish i could say the same about my own project :P
[14:28] <GridCube> looks good
[14:28] <knome> at least i'm making some progress
[17:14] <Unit193> Indicator seems to do song info and album art.
[17:24] <knome> from my POV as somebody who doesn't use the indicator but listens to a lot of music with correct metadata, i'd say the album art would be just a waste of space and resources there. song information probably good to add if it isn't too hard
[17:24] <knome> or add it later
[17:27] <Unit193> I can live with that very easily, better to ask someone else (notice the wording), I think having mpris integration is nice, but wouldn't be a showstopper for me personally.
[18:15] <bluesabre> Unit193: yeah, just doing a minimal support version initially
[18:15] <bluesabre> Though, the most value is just being able to pause or switch tracks easily
[18:16] <Unit193> Can't do anything with pianobar. :(
[18:16] <bluesabre> Add mpris to pianobar :D
[18:17] <Unit193> https://github.com/PromyLOPh/pianobar/issues/567
[19:16] <akxwi-dave> flocculant: I'm back of holiday now