[02:38] <Jack_Sparrow> !info asterisk
[09:54] <angelika> just looking how it works
[09:56] <angelika> I'm newbie of Mate and like it
[10:00] <ouroumov> angelika, cool
[10:00] <ouroumov> angelika, much information & friendly ears on our community forums should you need it
[10:04] <angelika> I like learning by doing
[10:09] <ouroumov> angelika, are you a Ubuntu MATE Newbie or a linux-in-general newbie?
[10:13] <alinka> now I'm 2 times in this channel .-)
[10:13] <ouroumov> Yep
[10:16] <alinka> my machine has only 2GB RAM
[10:17] <alinka> when internet/wwww started in Germany I have been sometimes 2 time in usenet or mailinglists
[10:18] <ouroumov> So you're an old school user, got it.
[10:18] <alinka> as m. and f.
[10:19] <ouroumov> I don't understand that last statement.
[10:19] <alinka> I reflected interactions on base of gender-communication
[10:19] <alinka> as man and women
[10:20] <alinka> I was studying and working in a highschool for social work
[10:22] <alinka> and I wrote a message to the computer scientists with a thankwell for free communication, but knew that it had been created by the military-tech complexe
[10:23] <ouroumov> uhuh
[10:30] <alinka> but loved Howard Rheingold and Joseph Weizenbaum
[10:31] <alinka> and was full of hope for a scientifical and peaceful future
[10:35] <alinka> which kind of server is weber.freenode.net ?
[10:44] <mate|99129> hi
[14:46] <UnClaimedCoder> Hello
[14:47] <UnClaimedCoder> How is everyone today?
[14:47] <alinka> hello
[14:48] <alinka> I'm upset about f++++ politics and wars.... so I don't feel fine
[14:48] <teward> i'm feeling chaotic evil but eh
[14:48] <teward> :p
[14:49] <UnClaimedCoder> I can understand the sentiment, alinka
[14:49] <UnClaimedCoder> lolz. teward.
[14:50] <alinka> thx, elisabeth
[14:50] <UnClaimedCoder> I am neutral good for the most part.
[14:53] <UnClaimedCoder> I am a big fan of Ubuntu Mate.. but this is first time I realized there was an IRC Channel.
[14:58] <alinka> I just reading: https://hexchat.github.io/
[15:00] <alinka> I've had problems with bitmask... and configuring openvpn
[15:07] <alinka> I didn't study IT, but social work and have another awareness about technology and can't handle it so well...
[15:08] <Jack_Sparrow> !info openvpn
[15:08] <alinka> sorry for boring you
[15:09] <alinka> thx! I'll try it again
[15:09] <UnClaimedCoder> oh yorue not boring
[15:10] <alinka> I really love coming into touch with netizens, Elizabeth
[15:12] <alinka> that's a real good explanation: https://hexchat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/tips.html#tor
[15:13] <UnClaimedCoder> he should have quit a few movies ago
[15:13] <UnClaimedCoder> lol
[15:13] <alinka> thx for working on ubuntu, teward
[15:14] <ouroumov> UnClaimedCoder, FYI Ubuntu MATE would like to Claim you.
[15:15] <ouroumov> UnClaimedCoder, you might be interested in this: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/active-bounties/14289
[15:18] <UnClaimedCoder> didnt know that was a think interesting ill look into it.
[15:19] <alinka> I'll bookmark the page on hexchat and will go off now
[15:33] <UnClaimedCoder> also ouroumov, love the punny way you asked.
 also ouroumov, love the punny way you asked. -> "punny"?
[15:47] <ouroumov> UnClaimedCoder, do I know you in real life by any chance?
[15:48] <ouroumov> This is an unusual word that is actually quite common in my lab fsr.
[15:48] <UnClaimedCoder> nope.
[15:48] <ouroumov> ^^
[15:49] <UnClaimedCoder> i dont know you IRL
[15:50] <UnClaimedCoder> punny as 'full of pun'  pun a funny remark usually sarcastic but not necessarily in a negative context.
[15:50] <ouroumov> Ah, got it.
[15:50] <UnClaimedCoder> where you said that mate would like to claim me. since my name is unclaimedcoder.
[15:51] <ouroumov> Wordreference failed me so I assumed it was a misspelling of either "Puny" or "Funny" ^^
[15:51] <UnClaimedCoder> understandable
[15:52] <UnClaimedCoder> you have to understand this is coming from someone who has a bad habit of speaking out loud in 1337 even today in 2017
[15:52] <ouroumov> Damn
[15:53] <UnClaimedCoder> "IRL", "LOLZ", "w00t" that kinda of thing
[15:54] <UnClaimedCoder> as a chid of the 80's and someone who has the same relationship with the internet / computers as jim carrey character in cableman did to tv / cable.. i guest it was inevitable.
[15:55] <ouroumov> Damn I got distracted from my VM install
[15:58] <UnClaimedCoder> sorry if I am being weird
[15:59] <ouroumov> UnClaimedCoder, being weird is not an issue.
[15:59] <UnClaimedCoder> okay thats goodd
[15:59] <UnClaimedCoder> i have that issue alot in real life, not so much online, but even here some still do
[15:59] <ouroumov> I'm gonna grab a smoke, bbl.
[16:03] <UnClaimedCoder> anyone else here?
[16:04] <Jack_Sparrow> no
[16:10] <UnClaimedCoder> hello nomic
[16:12] <ouroumov> Damn that install is so slow.
[16:12] <ouroumov> I have how unbalanced my workstation is.
[16:12] <ouroumov> i5 skylake with 16GB of RAM... with a shitty 5400 rpm HDD.
[16:13] <UnClaimedCoder> Im on a laptop from 2004..
[16:13] <nomic> hi UnClaimedCoder
[16:14] <UnClaimedCoder> Trying to save up for a new motherboard for my PC, but where Im married that's easier said than done.
[16:31] <ouroumov> I wanted to wait for Ryzen mobile to hit the market before getting a new laptop, I'm not sure I'm gonna have the patience.
[16:34] <UnClaimedCoder> Ryze line?n, isnt that the new AMD
[16:36] <ouroumov> yeah
[16:36] <ouroumov> But for now it's only Desktop chips
[16:36] <ouroumov> I'm waiting on their mobile APUs platforms.
[16:38] <UnClaimedCoder> i was considering going amd route.
[16:39] <ouroumov> Well they're really kicking over Intel atm.
[16:42] <ouroumov> It's good to have some competition again hardware wise
[16:46] <UnClaimedCoder> competition is always good
[16:52] <UnClaimedCoder> nice meeting you all. ill come back at some point. but have to go
[20:04] <sovereignentity> is there any avantage to going 17.04 as opposed to 16.04 on a new install.Are there any new fixes in 17.04
[20:06] <ouroumov_> sovereignentity, you can consult the releases notes for each release since 16.04 on the website.
[20:07] <sovereignentity> ok thanks
[20:08] <ouroumov_> https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/ubuntu-mate-zesty-final-release/
[20:09] <ouroumov_> https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/ubuntu-mate-yakkety-final-release/
[20:12] <ouroumov_> sovereignentity, feature wise, I think the biggest bump since 16.04 has been the recent Artful Alpha 2 release.
[20:12] <ouroumov_> Sure, a few features have been added in 16.10 and 17.04, but it was mostly GTK+3 migration and bug fixes.
[20:13] <ouroumov_> Oh and 17.04 also has a sweet Ubuntu MATE Dark Theme.
[20:14] <Akuli> i'm using a dark theme on 14.04
[20:15] <sovereignentity> I may as well go 17.04 untill next april
[20:20] <sovereignentity> 17.10 is beta?
[20:20] <ouroumov_> Nope, just passed Alpha 2
[20:21] <ouroumov_> There should be new features coming later in the 17.10 cycle.
[20:22] <ouroumov_> Vastly improved Software Boutique, for starters.
[20:25] <sovereignentity> I would like to install mate on my Dell xps 13 but it turned out to be a pain in the but
[20:26] <ouroumov_> HiDPi?
[20:26] <sovereignentity> yes
[20:26] <sovereignentity> and the secure boot uefi
[20:26] <ouroumov_> Yeah, that's also being worked on by Wimpy.
[20:27] <ouroumov_> I guess for now the only workaround for HiDPi to get an usable desktop is to fake an inferior resolution.
[20:28] <ouroumov_> Which is kind of sad.
[20:41] <ubuntu-mate> On the Ubuntu-Mate web site, it says that 16.04 LTS is supported till 2019. Linux Mint-Mate 18.2 built from Ubuntu 16.04 says it is supported till 2021. Is this correct, and why is Ubuntu LTS only 3 years?
[20:42] <sovereignentity> well image is burned so see you guys on the other side
[20:43] <ouroumov_> It is correct, and this is because the team behind the mate-desktop components is smaller than the canonical workforce.
[20:47] <ubuntu-mate> So would Ubuntu 16.04-Gnome or KDE have longer LTS? Does Mint 18.2 Mate have longer support because Mint has a larger team?
[20:49] <ouroumov_> I can't speak for Linux Mint, but the other official ubuntu flavors (Lubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and the new one) are also supported only three years if I recall correctly.
[20:50] <ubuntu-mate> Oh OK so it must be the Mint team offering 2 more years support on their version of Ubuntu-Mate LTS. Or it is a type error on their web site.
[20:51] <TrekRich> hey all
[20:53] <ali1234> ubuntu-mate: some people would claim that mint is not supported at all
[20:54] <ali1234> but as ouroumov says, different parts of ubuntu are supported for different amounts of time
[20:55] <ali1234> mint isn't part of ubuntu so what they do is up to them
 Oh OK so it must be the Mint team offering 2 more years support on their version of Ubuntu-Mate LTS -> The Mint team does not have a version of Ubuntu MATE
 Oh OK so it must be the Mint team offering 2 more years support on their version of Ubuntu-Mate LTS -> The Mint team does not have a version of Ubuntu either
[21:00] <ouroumov_> ubuntu-mate, the official Ubuntu derivatives, that can be called "Ubuntu", are listed here: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu-flavours
[21:15] <TrekRich> does it work
[21:15] <TrekRich> and will it get updated evantually
[21:15] <TrekRich> seems to work great for me!
[21:33] <ubuntu-mate> There does not seem to be very much difference between Ubuntu Mate 16.04.2 and Mint 18.2. Usually I prefer to build on Ubuntu myself instead of having to remove the Minty stuff. Ubuntu-Mate 16.04.2 includes more of the software I prefer. Past experience was that Mint was not as stable as my custom setups, starting with Ubuntu or Debian. I have made many remasters using remastersys and refracta snapshot. Not using Mint though.