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sil2100o/15:00
bdmurrayo/15:00
teward*randomly drops in*15:01
rbasako/15:02
sil2100o/15:02
rbasakDo we have two more?15:02
sil2100bdmurray is here too15:02
bdmurrayI'd expect cyphermox15:02
sil2100Yeah, all hope in cyphermox now15:02
sil2100;)15:02
micahgo/15:03
tewardlong time no talk, micahg :P15:03
teward*returns to silent mode*15:03
rbasakWho's chairing?15:04
sil2100micahg: o/15:04
sil2100I think I chaired the last one, so I'd prefer someone else just for variation15:04
rbasak#startmeeting DMB15:05
sil2100rbasak: thanks!15:05
rbasakNo bot?15:05
sil2100Oh, hm, no meetingology?15:05
tewardi think the bot died o.O15:05
tewardif need be I can take logs for you guys, I log everything anyways :p15:05
rbasakWho runs the bot?15:05
sil2100No idea, never though about it as it was always here15:06
rbasakLet's begin anyway. I'll just pretend the bot is here I guess.15:07
rbasak#topic Review of previous action items15:07
teward*starts logging to file*15:07
rbasakrbasak to reping Aron regarding his request (DONE)15:07
rbasakbdmurray, sil2100, rbasak to contact absentee DMB members (bdmurray: DONE, sil2100: DONE)15:07
rbasakcyphermox to send his self nomination again (DONE)15:07
rbasakrbasak to draft an argument for reducing quorum not head count (DONE)15:07
rbasakrbasak to handle flexiondotorg's request for adding mate-hud to the MATE package set15:07
rbasakI think cyphermox took this one in the end?15:07
bdmurrayYes, I believe he had a follow up question which has been unanswereed.15:08
rbasakFrom my logs I found:15:09
rbasak20:32 <cyphermox> rbasak: I'll do it15:09
rbasak20:33 <cyphermox> (done)15:09
rbasakin #ubuntu-release15:09
rbasakAh, and I see the ML reply.15:09
sil2100Yeah, through e-mail he mentioned that this is an auto-generated packageset so yeah15:09
rbasakSo I think we can treat the action done for now at least?15:09
sil2100+115:09
rbasakflexiondotorg: please reply on the ML if you need a further action15:09
bdmurrayAgreed15:09
rbasak#topic Package Set/Per Package Uploader Applications15:10
rbasak#subtopic teward - PPU for znc package - (Application)15:10
rbasakteward: o/15:10
bdmurrayrbasak: Did you follow up with the absentee member you were going to?15:10
tewardhiya!15:10
rbasakbdmurray: oh yes, I did, sorry.15:10
bdmurrayrbasak: Lets do this application and then talk about the DMB itself.15:11
rbasakack15:11
sil2100I must say that I did not have time to look at teward's application as it was submitted a few days before the meeting15:11
tewardwe can postpone it to next if you wish15:11
rbasakI had a look at it earlier.15:11
tewardi realized after the fact i should've specified next meeting.15:11
sil2100So if we are to review the candidate I'd need some time to look into it15:11
rbasakWhile we're here, I did have some questions for teward about his application though.15:11
rbasakClearing that up might help others consider the application perhaps?15:11
tewardrbasak: feel free to ask, or send them my way via email :)15:11
sil2100teward: also, I generally see no endorsements for your application - who was the main sponsor of your uploads?15:11
sil2100We like endorsments15:12
sil2100A lot ;)15:12
rbasakteward: I looked and didn't see any recent upload sponsorships. Usually we expect those in any application.15:12
rbasakteward: and since usually we expect to grant upload access in order to unblock someone by no longer having to go by a sponsor, I wasn't really able to follow why you were applying.15:13
rbasakteward: so perhaps you could give us some more background on that please?15:13
bdmurrayFWIW I don't see any SRUs of znc either.15:14
tewardbdmurray: we'd be looking far back into history, to find those - the package has been stbale for the longest time, but is *old* in Ubuntu for the most part (devel is usually a bit behind on bugfixes)15:14
tewardactually, can we move those questions to ML or next meeting?15:14
tewardsomething just exploded at work and I have to go do emergency maintenance15:14
rbasakOK15:14
rbasakLet's postpone for now then.15:14
tewardsorry to say "move to next meeting or ML"15:15
rbasak#agreed Applicaton postponed15:15
sil2100teward: sure, I guess it's even better since I'd like you to add a few missing bits to your application15:15
sil2100teward: let me get back to you on that later15:15
tewardack15:15
tewardbdmurray: i'll dig for the 'latest' upload and SRU, there's been not many releases between history and now, though you'll find one in 2016-03-17 sponsored by rbasak for 1.6.3-1 to xenial-proposed.15:16
teward*disappears to do critical systems maintenance*15:16
rbasakNo more applications, so we have ML requests and the more general DMB itself topic remaining15:16
tewardI will have a copy of the IRC logs though if you need them.15:16
rbasak#topic Outstanding mailing list requests to assign15:16
rbasakI don't see any. Am I missing something?15:18
rbasak"packageset refresh for kubuntu"15:18
rbasakDid that happen?15:18
sil2100hm, can't remember anymore15:18
sil2100Are we still getting the diffs of those per cyphermox scripts?15:18
rbasakI'm not sure. It'd be nice if cyphermox were here to discuss it.15:19
rbasakShall we postpone that one for now?15:19
rbasakSo that's everything I think.15:19
rbasak#topic DMB itself15:20
cyphermoxmoo?15:20
tewardrbasak: update: I'll retract my PPU request - the package is mostly stable and doesn't need much maintenance except syncs and occasional patching.15:20
tewardmost of which is security.15:20
tewardsorry.15:20
cyphermoxoh, the packageset diff15:20
tewardso strike that from the agenda for future.15:20
tewardcc: sil2100 ^15:20
teward(disappears)15:20
rbasakteward: OK, thanks. Note that if you keep having to do syncs, I think it's reasonable to ask for upload access so you can stop using a sponsor.15:20
tewardrbasak: i'll discuss later at next PPU application when I have more endorsements and stuff - that's gonna be next quarter at this rate.15:21
teward*disappears again*15:21
rbasakSo where are we with the DMB's status?15:21
bdmurrayI was just looking at your last email rbasak15:22
sil2100We have 2 expiring nominations15:22
sil2100Both are covered by new candidates15:22
bdmurrayDo the inactive members still want to be active?15:22
bdmurrayOr rather I guess there are 3 topics re dmb status.15:23
bdmurrayinactive members15:23
bdmurraydmb size15:23
bdmurrayexpiriing members15:23
cyphermoxyep15:23
cyphermoxI'm expiring again :015:23
sil2100I talked with infinity and he's not interested in being active15:23
sil2100But he's expiring anyway15:23
sil2100cyphermox: but you nominated yourself right?15:23
rbasakmicahg is intrested in being active (and he's here)15:23
cyphermoxsil2100: I did15:24
sil2100So currently, cyphermox and infinity are expiring, but we have 2 candidates: cyphermox and jbicha15:24
sil2100So I guess both seats can be occupied ;)15:24
sil2100bdmurray: did you talk with BenC ?15:24
bdmurrayyes and he wants to stay on15:25
cyphermoxrbasak: as for the packageset update script, looks like I had forgotten to put the address back to t15:25
sil2100bdmurray: is there any chance he will be able to participate?15:25
cyphermoxto the dmb, it was sent only to me this sunday15:25
cyphermox(one such report should be coming now)15:25
sil2100cyphermox: thanks!15:25
bdmurraysil2100: I thought he showed up at the last meeting but we didn't discuss anything15:26
sil2100Ok15:26
sil2100Maybe only the later time works for him15:26
bdmurrayMaybe we should start taking attendence per your suggestion sil2100?15:26
micahgyeah, timing is an issue15:26
bdmurrayI recall we tried to talk about that before but I felt like there were too many choices.15:27
micahgyeah15:27
bdmurraymicahg: Maybe you can suggest what works for you with out timezones in consideration?15:27
bdmurrayThat'll reduce the number of choices we have to vote on.15:28
sil2100Yeah, I'm open to propositions for the timing but the current one works for me15:28
micahgwell, right now I'm good with times, let's check with BenC maybe15:28
bdmurrayOkay, since I talked to him before I'll do that.15:29
sil2100btw. question from DMB formalities as I don't want to look for it in wiki pages: if we have 2 DMB vacancies and 2 candidates, no voting is required, right?15:29
micahgin the past that's what we've done, but usually only when it's a reapply or they've already come close to winning an election from what I can remember15:30
bdmurrayI don't know off the top of my head.15:30
rbasakIs it up to us to decide the method of picking members for expired seats? Or the TB's?15:31
sil2100Since cyphermox is re-applying, but jbicha is applying for the first time - but since there's no other candidates, voting doesn't seem to make sense?15:32
rbasakUbuntu developers may wish to decide "none of the above". But I'm not aware that's ever been an option in the past.15:32
rbasakI'm also not aware of any mechanism to qualify nominations, unlike TB nominations.15:33
bdmurrayI think sending a notification reminding people what will happen would be good as it may draw out another candidate/15:33
rbasak+115:33
* bdmurray went out in the woods and forgot how to type15:33
sil2100+115:34
bdmurraysil2100: Do you mind doing that?15:34
sil2100bdmurray: the reminder about expirations? Sure15:34
sil2100You can assign me an action item15:35
bdmurrayOne the bot will record? ;-)15:35
sil2100;)15:35
sil2100One that the person updating the agenda will record I guess ;p15:35
rbasak#action sil2100 to send out a DMB nomination reminder, including information about what happens if there are few nominations.15:36
sil2100bdmurray: as for attendence, I guess we might have overall attendence listed as per meeting logs, right?15:39
bdmurraysil2100: I'm not certain looking at historic information is necessary.15:40
sil2100Not sure if it makes sense to formalize the number of how many missed meetings in a row is required to start getting warned about possible 'expiration through inactivity'15:40
bdmurray#action bdmurray follow up with BenC regarding meeting times15:40
sil2100Anyway, hopefully it seems all better now with the attendence rate15:40
bdmurraymaybe cyphermox can email us all the friday before? or is the calendar enough?15:41
bdmurraymaybe we should also monitor meeting lack of attention15:43
bdmurraycyphermox: ?15:44
cyphermoxerr, sure?15:44
cyphermoxI'm not sure how I can email the friday before expiring, there might not be time ;)15:45
bdmurrayI don't know if its a great idea but I don't look at my Monday schedule on Friday normally so might forget.15:45
cyphermoxit works for some expiry deadlines, but not all I think15:45
cyphermoxor I mean, not meaningfully15:45
bdmurraycyphermox: I mean about the meeting time.15:45
cyphermoxthe calendar should be sending us reminders15:46
bdmurrayokay15:46
cyphermoxi would be crazy for me to create a calendar reminder for me to send a reminder15:46
rbasak I really think that things to help people attend need to be driven by, or at least decided in association with, people who have the attendance issues. And they're not here.15:47
bdmurrayheh15:48
cyphermoxI think we're trying to fix a problem that we won't have provided the people in the board care.15:48
cyphermoxie. we can ping each other on IRC and that typically works for most things, does it not?15:48
cyphermoxif you don't heed a calendar reminder and then a ping, you're either busy with something else or otherwise unable to attend15:49
cyphermox(or don't care, and then the CoC says you should be stepping down considerately)15:50
bdmurrayOkay, so lets work on sorting out the expiring members and query Ben about a different meeting time.15:50
bdmurrayI think we should still talk about what to do if quorum reaching is hard, but not necessarily act on it.15:50
cyphermoxbdmurray: presumably people are still reachable, we can ask them if they still care, and do elections earlier15:50
cyphermoxI mean, I agree that we need to have a plan or an idea what to do, but not sure there is any recurring action to do or process to install to enforce attendance. If we need to force attendance it means we're not staffed correctly in the first place15:52
bdmurrayI didn't mean enforcing attendance rather being more proactive when members don't show up. "Hey, we missed you at the meeting is the time still okay? ..."15:54
bdmurrayI think we let this lack of attendance issue go on for too long.15:54
cyphermoxyes ok15:54
bdmurrayI've got another meeting soon, anything else?15:55
cyphermoxmy point is, isn't that something we can sort at a meeting when it happens? let's say someone misses two meetings in a row without sending apology prior; we can hand an action to someone then15:55
rbasakThat's pretty difficult when we don't have meetings because we haven't made quorum.15:56
rbasakAnyway, I think we've reached the useful end of this discussion.15:56
bdmurrayIs there a rule that we can't have meeting if we don't have quorum? I think we can't just vote on stuff.15:56
rbasakI'm not sure we're going to reach consensus on this, so if there's any action that needs taking, perhaps we need to continue discussion the ML.15:57
rbasakAny objections to finishing the meeting now?15:57
cyphermoxno15:57
bdmurrayNo15:57
rbasak#endmeeting15:57
cyphermoxindeed, we can still have meeting, just can't vote15:57
rbasakI'll sort out the minutes.15:57
sil2100o/15:57
cyphermoxo/15:57
bdmurraythanks rbasak!15:58
tyhickshello16:32
jdstrandhi!16:32
tyhicks#startmeeting16:32
mdeslaur\o16:33
tyhicksno bot today16:33
tyhicksThe meeting agenda can be found at:16:34
tyhicks[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting16:34
tyhicks[TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report16:34
tyhicksjdstrand: you're up16:34
jdstrandlast week I was most busy getting through sprint outcomes and being responsive to snapd PRs. I also ended up being quite busy with several forum topics related to policy denials16:34
jdstrandthis week I plan to:16:34
jdstrand- be responsive to snapd PRs16:34
jdstrand- review the big udev tagging PR16:34
jdstrand- pick up the wayland interface16:34
jdstrand- start working through a new (desktop?) interface for gnome-shell, plasma, sway16:34
jdstrandthat's it from me. mdeslaur, you're up16:34
mdeslaurI'm in the happy place this week again16:35
mdeslaurI'm about to publish an imagemagick regression fix16:35
mdeslaurand I have rabbitmq-server updates to push out16:35
mdeslaurafter that, I'll be going down the list, as usual16:35
mdeslaurthat's about it16:35
mdeslaursbeattie: tag, you're it16:35
sbeattieI'm in the happy place this week16:36
sbeattieI have an openjdk-8 regression update to publish16:36
sbeattieand presumably will have an openjdk-7 coming shortly16:36
sbeattieI have an embargoed issue16:37
sbeattieI'll go through the list looking for other issues.16:37
sbeattieI have a minor backlog of qrt issues to go through.16:37
sbeattiethat's it for me.16:37
sbeattietyhicks: over to you16:37
tyhicksI'm on community this week16:38
tyhicksI'll likely be responding to feedback from the seccomp logging kernel patches that I sent out last friday16:38
tyhicksI am going to look at the fscrypt tests that run as part of `make check` to determine which ones are appropriate to run as part of the package build16:39
tyhicksthat'll hopefully allow me to upload the fscrypt package to artful16:39
tyhicksthen I'll start looking at the PR for pam_fscrypt16:39
tyhicksI still need to familiarize myself with the LSM stacking patch set16:40
tyhicksthat's it for me16:40
tyhicksjjohansen: you're up16:40
jjohansenI still working on revising the networking/unix socket patches for upstreaming16:40
jjohansenI need to spend some time looking at the 4.13 LSM stacking patches16:40
jjohansenand I also need to spend some time looking at the IMA namespacing thread16:40
jjohansenthat is it for me sarnold you're up16:41
sarnoldI'm on bug triage this week; I also hope to review an apparmor patch or two, and run down the MIRs as I can16:41
sarnoldthat's it for me, I didn't see chris coulson, nor ratliff, so I'm guessing leosilva?16:42
leosilvaI worked in some updates last week, found/fixed a davfs2 issue with apache2 update16:42
leosilvatoday I want to publish them and during the week search for new updates to do16:42
leosilvathat is for me.16:42
leosilvatyhicks: it's back toyou16:42
tyhicksthanks16:43
tyhicks[TOPIC] Highlighted packages16:43
tyhicksThe Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.16:43
tyhicksSee https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.16:43
tyhickshttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/atril.html16:43
tyhickshttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libdigidoc.html16:43
tyhickshttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libjgroups-java.html16:43
tyhickshttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ldns.html16:43
tyhickshttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/minizip.html16:43
tyhicks[TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions16:43
tyhicksDoes anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?16:43
tyhicksjdstrand, mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, leosilva: Thanks!16:46
tyhicks#endmeeting16:46
mdeslaurthanks tyhicks16:46
jjohansenthanks tyhicks16:46
leosilvathanks tyhicks!16:46
sbeattietyhicks: thanks!16:46
jdstrandthanks tyhicks :)16:48
sarnoldthanks tyhicks!16:48
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