[10:20] <baz> my system seems trashed... i cant login via x.  it justs goes back to the login after i enter my password......i am on my other system atm which is a laptop i have done many things to try and reslove it and nothing has worked
[10:20] <baz> and i have no idea as i cant login under xwindows how i can paste anything
[10:21] <baz> i can get in via a console login, i have edited /etc/pam/lightdm with the suggested edits after looking at some pages but to no avail
[10:23] <baz> problems with kwallet
[10:24] <baz> am using 16.04 LTS
[10:25] <baz> any1 here? or at least awake ???
[10:27] <knome> yes, but please note that we're all volunteers and not all answers are available immediately
[10:27] <knome> maybe try searching somewhere else while you wait
[10:28] <baz> nomatter what i do i keep getting cannot opeen pam_kwallet.so even after installing kwallet4 and kwallet5 , there is indeed no /lib/security directory
[10:33] <baz> i have been at this for 3 hours....i am here because i am out of answers
[10:36] <baz> good news i just did mv .Xauthority .Xauthority.bak and havebeen able to login.....this all started when my audio stopped working even low pulseaudio was set to the right outputs and
[10:37] <baz> nothing was muted, even the vu meters on the pulseaudio volume control were showing up
[10:39] <baz> still having the audio issue, have absoulutely no idea what caused it, one minute it seemed it was working...nows it not
[10:42] <baz> pulseaudio -k has no effect, the output is set to HDMI, it was working earlier i dont get it
[10:54] <baz> now after a reboot x is not accepting my password but the console is...
[10:54] <baz> ????
[10:58] <baz> just changed the passwd via the passwd command in console...still not working under X
[10:58] <baz> just says password wrong message
[10:59] <baz> startx via console lets me in though
[11:03] <baz> tried changing passwd via users and group gui in settings.....it changed the password still cant login under x but console accepts password just fine
[11:15] <l1Ll1Ll1L> baz that seems really weird. Have you tried restarting?
[11:15] <baz> about a thousand times...sames results
[11:15] <baz> edited files.....
[11:15] <baz> followed a billion pages instructions
[11:16] <baz> can log in on console....x login just tells me incorrect password
[11:16] <l1Ll1Ll1L> Have you tried ##linux? They are a very knowledgeable channel here
[11:16] <knome> baz, does the login screen have the correct keyboard layout?
[11:16] <baz> i even installed kwallet stuff
[11:16] <l1Ll1Ll1L> Maybe there is some, file you must change for your DE
[11:16] <baz> intresting question......but when i type my username it appears fine
[11:17] <knome> does your username have weird letters?
[11:17] <knome> maybe not, but your password might
[11:17] <baz> just letters and numbers
[11:17] <knome> check the kb layout
[11:17] <baz> username is just alpha characters, no special charcters, no numbers
[11:18] <knome> i would still double-check that, if for whatever reason it's set to something wacky
[11:18] <baz> password has no special characters i.e !@^& either
[11:19] <baz> i havent changed the keyboard layout.....according to gui its set to system default ...
[11:21] <baz> tried changing it generic101 pc , no change
[11:22] <l1Ll1Ll1L> baz this looks relevant https://askubuntu.com/questions/463846/cant-login-to-my-account-i-know-the-password
[11:24] <l1Ll1Ll1L> and for my ego's sake I am happy to say that the top answer on this thread states the source as a file used by xfce4 =D
[11:24] <l1Ll1Ll1L> hopefully it fixes your problem
[11:25] <flocculant> in the past I've seen this when disk is full
[11:26] <l1Ll1Ll1L> flocculant, like some kind of lock file that can't be created?
[11:27] <baz> flocculant: yeah i had the disk full problem in the past, clever that you mentioned it...
[11:28] <baz> nodice
[11:29] <l1Ll1Ll1L> baz nodice also to the top answer on the thread I mentioned? Because that looks super relevant
[11:29] <flocculant> I'd definitely try the mv .xfce4 things option if you've not done that yet - you'll lose all yourxfce  settings ftr
[11:30] <l1Ll1Ll1L> but you can restore for everything except xfce4 itself
[11:30] <l1Ll1Ll1L> not too hard to fix
[11:30] <baz> you mean the mv ~/.config/xfce4{,.bak}
[11:30] <l1Ll1Ll1L> yeah that
[11:30] <baz> yep, no change
[11:30] <l1Ll1Ll1L> huh that is really strange
[11:31] <flocculant> baz does a new user login ok?
[11:31] <flocculant> gtg though
[11:31] <baz> it was just as strange as when i suddenly came home to no audio through hdmi but pulseaudio was showing it on the VU meters in pavucontrol and everything...correct settings.....nothing muted....not tv....not alsa....not in pulseaudio volume control......somehow i ended up here
[11:32] <baz> guest logs in fine.....
[11:32] <l1Ll1Ll1L> when pulseaudio fucks up 9/10 times I have to open alsamixer and unmute from there
[11:32] <l1Ll1Ll1L> the other 1/10 times I restart
[11:33] <l1Ll1Ll1L> referring to pavucontrol in particular
[11:33] <baz> tried unmuteing from alsa mixer not muted...
[11:33] <l1Ll1Ll1L> I still recommend you ask this question in ##linux btw, smart motherfuckers over there
[11:33] <l1Ll1Ll1L> if they are active right now anyway
[11:34] <baz> created new user under console...tested login under console...just fine....tried under x ... FAIL
[11:34] <l1Ll1Ll1L> man that is really strange
[11:35] <baz> its something related to lightdm. it has to be...because i can login at console and just run startx .....
[11:35] <l1Ll1Ll1L> that does stand to reason
[11:35] <l1Ll1Ll1L> as a last resort follow this page to make a new user that xfce is aware of
[11:36] <l1Ll1Ll1L> https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/threads/how-to-create-a-new-user-in-xfce-that-can-work-at-login.71012/
[11:36] <l1Ll1Ll1L> if that works, haven't tried it =P
[11:38] <l1Ll1Ll1L> ok here is another thing to try
[11:38] <l1Ll1Ll1L> https://askubuntu.com/questions/151648/cant-login-to-my-xfce-environment-from-lxdm
[11:40] <l1Ll1Ll1L> also see wayne's comments in this thread http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=148184
[11:40] <baz> tried creating another user with -m (because i forgot) exactly same result
[11:40] <l1Ll1Ll1L> man hopefully one of these threads works for you, I have literally had zero problem with Xubuntu, which is the main reason I reccomend it
[11:44] <baz> nope i even gave the newuser the simplest password in the world
[11:44] <baz> i have had many problems with xfce over the years....in many distros...most of them have gone away
[11:45] <baz> after bugs were fixed
[11:45] <baz> been using it since 2006 (i think)
[11:46] <l1Ll1Ll1L> huh, the only issue I have with it is the toolbar with multiple monitors, only since 2016 though
[11:47] <baz> i'm gonna take a break for a minute...thanks for your help so far....some good ideas
[11:47] <l1Ll1Ll1L> baz try copying your home folder to a new directory as a backup then logging in through the GUI. I had to do that once after I did some weird shit]
[11:47] <l1Ll1Ll1L> by copying I mean copying and deleting the original
[11:47] <l1Ll1Ll1L> as in log in without a user directory
[11:48] <baz> so mv home folder to another newly created folder( or directory) ...then login with no home directory present whatsoever? (just to clarify)
[11:49] <l1Ll1Ll1L> yes correct, I would try that
[11:49] <baz> sorry to interchange folder and directory...i failed a unix test in class with that question (it was trivial)
[11:49] <baz> never took a college class ever again
[11:49] <l1Ll1Ll1L> lol, they are interchangeably in this case
[11:50] <l1Ll1Ll1L> *interchangeable
[11:50] <l1Ll1Ll1L> fold that dir
[11:50] <l1Ll1Ll1L> fold it hard
[11:53] <baz> nodice
[11:54] <l1Ll1Ll1L> damn, I thought that one would work
[11:54] <baz> ofcourse console login just fine
[11:54] <l1Ll1Ll1L> try uninstallin and reinstalling xfce4?
[11:54] <baz> think i tried that before i screamed help me i am in hell and came here...lets look in my history
[11:55] <baz> after i copy it back
[11:55] <l1Ll1Ll1L> haha ok I think you are in fact in hell then
[11:55] <l1Ll1Ll1L> did you check the hash sum of your iso before copying it to USB
[11:56] <l1Ll1Ll1L> other than that check ##linux as I mentioned or ask the xfce devs lol
[11:57] <l1Ll1Ll1L> sounds like you have a weird issue
[11:58] <baz> this wasnt a new install.....i have had this install for about 2 or 3 months
[11:58] <l1Ll1Ll1L> ok, random thought here
[11:58] <l1Ll1Ll1L> install a different DE such as gnome
[11:58] <baz> did copy it back... i had prevouisly tried to reinstall xfce4......before running here with tail between legs
[11:58] <l1Ll1Ll1L> see if logging in under that DE works
[11:58] <l1Ll1Ll1L> and if so try xfce4 again
[11:59] <l1Ll1Ll1L> baz in your situation my tail would also be between my legs
[11:59] <baz> whats the lightest DE?????? i dont want something heavy,,,,,,would blackbox quailify?
[11:59] <l1Ll1Ll1L> thta is some strange shit
[11:59] <l1Ll1Ll1L> I dunno man, xfce has been light enough for my purposes, gl hf
[12:00] <l1Ll1Ll1L> try console only
[12:00] <baz> i dont want a mystery as to what i have to uninstall never mind if something goes wrong when i uninstall it...i already have enough chaos
[12:01] <baz> console i can log in no hassle......i'm sure its something to do with a interaction with lightdm (or something it interacts with)
[12:01] <l1Ll1Ll1L> I dunno man, I am running manjaro and have some apparently firmware related shit I have gotten no help with
[12:01] <baz> dont know why i think that...it could be that i am tired
[12:01] <l1Ll1Ll1L> sometimes you have to be an expert or hope for the best I guess *shrug*
[12:02] <l1Ll1Ll1L> ok this is the third time I mentioned ##linux but try them
[12:02] <l1Ll1Ll1L> some smart motherfuckers hang out there
[12:03] <l1Ll1Ll1L> you have to register your handle but that isn't hard
[12:03] <baz> damn now my multi monitor setup is hosed.......and my monitors are all the wrong direction.....hard when your tired
[12:03] <l1Ll1Ll1L> ok you are fucking with me
[12:03] <baz> thanks for trying and damn hard too..i was hoping to show you the tail end of my history file...but alas i cant think sideways without any sleep first
[12:04] <baz> no i did something somewhere
[12:04] <l1Ll1Ll1L> ok well when you wake up
[12:04] <l1Ll1Ll1L> identify with nickeserv if needed
[12:04] <l1Ll1Ll1L> than try ##linux lol
[12:04] <l1Ll1Ll1L> or research xfce specific channels
[12:05] <l1Ll1Ll1L> either way good luck
[12:05] <l1Ll1Ll1L> *nickserv
[12:06] <baz> hang on ... i paste it.... i got the mouse on a horizontal monitor
[12:08] <baz> https://pastebin.com/xwjA7nNf
[12:09] <baz> the history when i started to trip out when my audio was gone and procedded to try things...further screwing up shit
[12:11] <l1Ll1Ll1L> sorry man, I am only semi-competent. Not an expert who can turn your bash history into results
[12:11] <baz> i just thought you might be curious to see my insanity at work...
[12:11] <l1Ll1Ll1L> on a level of expertise from retard to linus torvald, I am a 3-4/10 =P
[12:12] <l1Ll1Ll1L> that is 3 to 4
[12:12] <l1Ll1Ll1L> no 3 minus 4
[12:12] <l1Ll1Ll1L> I am not -1/10
[12:12] <l1Ll1Ll1L> that would be bad
[12:12] <baz> its times like these i miss my old amiga...even though it was a far simpler and dumber machine in many aspects ... i knew it far better than i would ever know linux
[12:13] <l1Ll1Ll1L> well I wasn't able to own an amiga but they do sound cool
[12:13] <l1Ll1Ll1L> the first game I played was installed from a 5.5" floppy though
[12:13] <baz> its much easier to get your head around a much smaller operating system...back in the day they were amazing compared to win 3.1 and mac os .... preemptive multitasking in a meg of memory
[12:14] <l1Ll1Ll1L> makes sense, takes more engineering prowess to accomplish things with limited resources
[12:14] <l1Ll1Ll1L> *5.25"
[12:15] <baz> not that old... it did use 3.5" disks and stored 880k (when standard amiga format was used) on a regular 720k disk.. (different format than ibm's)
[12:16] <baz> later they changed the file system and i think they got a little more storage....
[12:16] <l1Ll1Ll1L> shit I guess I don't knowhat the first machine I used was, my parents inherited it and I benefited from it
[12:16] <baz> now my commie64 did use 5 1/4's and we used a paperclip so we could use the backside of the disks as the 1541 drive only read one side at a time...
[12:17] <l1Ll1Ll1L> lol nice
[12:18] <baz> i mean paper hole punch to make another notch ... need sleep
[12:18] <l1Ll1Ll1L> ok well good night, hopefully xubuntu cooperates with you at some point
[12:19] <l1Ll1Ll1L> it better be easier than running an amiga
[12:24] <baz> someday i am going to find a way to virtualize this damn thing in some sort of version control system.....hopefully some day......
[12:24] <baz> just flip from snapshot to snapshot and diff when it goes crappy
[12:25] <l1Ll1Ll1L> well you should be able to take regular images of your HD if you have larger one for backups
[12:26] <l1Ll1Ll1L> I have been thinking similar things lately, seems reinstalling is too frequent
[12:27] <baz> right to do it fast and effecienty is probably a challenge....though sometimes i get so caught up in the complexity i dont see how simple things actually are
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