| m0nkey_ | diddledan: you still awake? | 00:46 |
|---|---|---|
| diddledan | aye | 00:46 |
| m0nkey_ | What are you using to host e-mail for your domain? | 00:47 |
| diddledan | I'm using gmail | 00:47 |
| m0nkey_ | G Suite? | 00:47 |
| diddledan | yup | 00:47 |
| m0nkey_ | Hmm. The only issue I have with that, if you buy stuff with your G Suite account on the Play Store, you get into vendor lock in. Last thing I want. | 00:48 |
| diddledan | yeah, I fell into that trap | 00:48 |
| diddledan | that's the main reason I've been reticent about finding another place to keep it | 00:49 |
| m0nkey_ | I'm using FastMail right now, but it's kinda expensive. Every client I use has to be a 3rd party. | 00:50 |
| m0nkey_ | So I'm looking at options | 00:50 |
| m0nkey_ | Outlook Premium is currently $30/year. | 00:50 |
| m0nkey_ | That's cheaper than $70/year | 00:50 |
| m0nkey_ | I've looked at O365 Essetials, but that still works out around $73/month | 00:52 |
| m0nkey_ | Seems that 'real' e-mail is expensive :D | 00:52 |
| m0nkey_ | I could host it myself, but I don't want the hassel. My time is expensive, having somebody host it for me is cheap :) | 00:54 |
| diddledan | yeah, hosting email is a constant pain | 00:56 |
| m0nkey_ | Outlook Premium for $30/year is the best I've come across. | 00:58 |
| m0nkey_ | Gives me Exchange for a low price. EAS works on all mobile platforms, etc. | 00:59 |
| m0nkey_ | While I love FastMail, everything to use it is a 3rd party :( | 00:59 |
| m0nkey_ | What do you think? | 01:02 |
| m0nkey_ | Given the choice, who would you use? | 01:02 |
| diddledan | certainly the cheaper option is outlook. I would imagine it's fairly solid based on my limited observations | 01:03 |
| zmoylan-pi | is there a site that shows downtime for them as i think i've heard of outlook been offline a few times | 01:32 |
| m0nkey_ | zmoylan-pi: Gmail has been down, Outlook has been down, even FastMail has been down. It happens. | 02:28 |
| MooDoo | morning all | 07:06 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 08:01 |
| MooDoo | morning brobostigon how goes it ? | 08:02 |
| brobostigon | morning, not bad, and you? | 08:02 |
| m0nkey_ | BTRFS has been deprecated in RHEL7: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/7.4_Release_Notes/chap-Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux-7.4_Release_Notes-Deprecated_Functionality.html | 11:05 |
| MooDoo | /me waits for the hundreds of "this is an ubuntu channel" comments lol | 11:05 |
| m0nkey_ | I know that, but if one starts doing it, others might. | 11:05 |
| MooDoo | m0nkey_: don't worry i'm being and ar*e :) | 11:06 |
| MooDoo | wel i guess that's only suse using it by default now | 11:07 |
| popey | it seems it was never particularly well supported there it seems | 11:15 |
| popey | interesting that suse went the other way and made it default | 11:15 |
| SuperMatt | I've simply haven't heard a single success story with btrfs | 11:51 |
| MooDoo | suse? that's quite a big one :D lol | 11:58 |
| popey | probably not because they're hidden away, working fine | 11:59 |
| popey | E.g. NetGear ReadyNas, they're btrfs out of the box and just work | 11:59 |
| popey | loads of people have them in their homes and businesses | 11:59 |
| popey | also, Sailfish phones, ship by default with btrfs. | 12:00 |
| popey | Also, OpenSUSE default install which has at leat 10 users, ships by default with btrfs ;) | 12:00 |
| popey | works well too. Every time you update it, it uses 'snapper' to take a snapshot which means you can easily roll back. | 12:00 |
| SuperMatt | At least 10, but maxing out at 20 | 12:00 |
| popey | Steady! | 12:01 |
| popey | I hear it's in the hundreds of thousands. | 12:01 |
| popey | Which isn't to be sniffed at | 12:01 |
| popey | That's just one flavour of OpenSUSE of course, they have multiple flavours, and the enterprise SLES too. | 12:01 |
| SuperMatt | I understand it being used for /, because it is certainly useful to be able to roll back, but it's awful for /home. I used it in /home, and it made firefox painfully slow. | 12:02 |
| popey | Ah, I have never tried it for /home | 12:07 |
| SuperMatt | tbh, my experiments were on spinning rust, I'm sure it's better on faster disks | 12:10 |
| popey | i switched to zfs on my home server | 12:11 |
| SuperMatt | I'm happy with ext4 and xfs | 12:13 |
| diplo | I'm going ZFS when i sort my server out at home | 13:01 |
| MooDoo | diplo: I need to get a server, but waiting till i move house, thinking about a little intel NUC | 13:03 |
| diplo | I use a NUC at work now for running stuff on, but still have my microserver at home | 13:05 |
| diplo | the old n54 or whatever it was, running for 7-8 years under the stairs | 13:05 |
| diplo | upgrading every few years on lts | 13:05 |
| MooDoo | diplo: looked at the microseevers....just want someting to use as a vmware host | 13:05 |
| MooDoo | s/vmhost/host | 13:06 |
| diplo | I know of people who use it to host a few VM's | 13:06 |
| diplo | I've hosted one or two VM's via Virtualbox on my NUC and isn't great, tis ok | 13:10 |
| MooDoo | i'll see, just want a decent host server, might have to make one lol | 13:11 |
| diplo | I'm ordering a new machine for work, but decent host server would be better to make something yourself | 13:13 |
| MooDoo | I'm sure I can do that :D | 13:13 |
| BigRedS | I've a not-new NUC as my desktop at work; I/O and memory's great, easily able to have a few relatively idle VMs kicking around at a time | 13:31 |
| diddledan | wait, btrfs is deprecated? so it skipped the whole product lifecycle after "alpha"? | 13:44 |
| diplo | On Redhat it appears :) | 13:44 |
| zmoylan-pi | maybe they're doing a google and going from beta to cancelled | 13:49 |
| MooDoo | obviously RHEL can't see what SUSE does | 13:50 |
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