[00:46] diddledan: you still awake? [00:46] aye [00:47] What are you using to host e-mail for your domain? [00:47] I'm using gmail [00:47] G Suite? [00:47] yup [00:48] Hmm. The only issue I have with that, if you buy stuff with your G Suite account on the Play Store, you get into vendor lock in. Last thing I want. [00:48] yeah, I fell into that trap [00:49] that's the main reason I've been reticent about finding another place to keep it [00:50] I'm using FastMail right now, but it's kinda expensive. Every client I use has to be a 3rd party. [00:50] So I'm looking at options [00:50] Outlook Premium is currently $30/year. [00:50] That's cheaper than $70/year [00:52] I've looked at O365 Essetials, but that still works out around $73/month [00:52] Seems that 'real' e-mail is expensive :D [00:54] I could host it myself, but I don't want the hassel. My time is expensive, having somebody host it for me is cheap :) [00:56] yeah, hosting email is a constant pain [00:58] Outlook Premium for $30/year is the best I've come across. [00:59] Gives me Exchange for a low price. EAS works on all mobile platforms, etc. [00:59] While I love FastMail, everything to use it is a 3rd party :( [01:02] What do you think? [01:02] Given the choice, who would you use? [01:03] certainly the cheaper option is outlook. I would imagine it's fairly solid based on my limited observations [01:32] is there a site that shows downtime for them as i think i've heard of outlook been offline a few times [02:28] zmoylan-pi: Gmail has been down, Outlook has been down, even FastMail has been down. It happens. [07:06] morning all [08:01] morning boys and girls. [08:02] morning brobostigon how goes it ? [08:02] morning, not bad, and you? [11:05] BTRFS has been deprecated in RHEL7: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/7.4_Release_Notes/chap-Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux-7.4_Release_Notes-Deprecated_Functionality.html [11:05] /me waits for the hundreds of "this is an ubuntu channel" comments lol [11:05] I know that, but if one starts doing it, others might. [11:06] m0nkey_: don't worry i'm being and ar*e :) [11:07] wel i guess that's only suse using it by default now [11:15] it seems it was never particularly well supported there it seems [11:15] interesting that suse went the other way and made it default [11:51] I've simply haven't heard a single success story with btrfs [11:58] suse? that's quite a big one :D lol [11:59] probably not because they're hidden away, working fine [11:59] E.g. NetGear ReadyNas, they're btrfs out of the box and just work [11:59] loads of people have them in their homes and businesses [12:00] also, Sailfish phones, ship by default with btrfs. [12:00] Also, OpenSUSE default install which has at leat 10 users, ships by default with btrfs ;) [12:00] works well too. Every time you update it, it uses 'snapper' to take a snapshot which means you can easily roll back. [12:00] At least 10, but maxing out at 20 [12:01] Steady! [12:01] I hear it's in the hundreds of thousands. [12:01] Which isn't to be sniffed at [12:01] That's just one flavour of OpenSUSE of course, they have multiple flavours, and the enterprise SLES too. [12:02] I understand it being used for /, because it is certainly useful to be able to roll back, but it's awful for /home. I used it in /home, and it made firefox painfully slow. [12:07] Ah, I have never tried it for /home [12:10] tbh, my experiments were on spinning rust, I'm sure it's better on faster disks [12:11] i switched to zfs on my home server [12:13] I'm happy with ext4 and xfs [13:01] I'm going ZFS when i sort my server out at home [13:03] diplo: I need to get a server, but waiting till i move house, thinking about a little intel NUC [13:05] I use a NUC at work now for running stuff on, but still have my microserver at home [13:05] the old n54 or whatever it was, running for 7-8 years under the stairs [13:05] upgrading every few years on lts [13:05] diplo: looked at the microseevers....just want someting to use as a vmware host [13:06] s/vmhost/host [13:06] I know of people who use it to host a few VM's [13:10] I've hosted one or two VM's via Virtualbox on my NUC and isn't great, tis ok [13:11] i'll see, just want a decent host server, might have to make one lol [13:13] I'm ordering a new machine for work, but decent host server would be better to make something yourself [13:13] I'm sure I can do that :D [13:31] I've a not-new NUC as my desktop at work; I/O and memory's great, easily able to have a few relatively idle VMs kicking around at a time [13:44] wait, btrfs is deprecated? so it skipped the whole product lifecycle after "alpha"? [13:44] On Redhat it appears :) [13:49] maybe they're doing a google and going from beta to cancelled [13:50] obviously RHEL can't see what SUSE does === enclude1 is now known as enclude