[00:46] <m0nkey_> diddledan: you still awake?
[00:46] <diddledan> aye
[00:47] <m0nkey_> What are you using to host e-mail for your domain?
[00:47] <diddledan> I'm using gmail
[00:47] <m0nkey_> G Suite?
[00:47] <diddledan> yup
[00:48] <m0nkey_> Hmm. The only issue I have with that, if you buy stuff with your G Suite account on the Play Store, you get into vendor lock in. Last thing I want.
[00:48] <diddledan> yeah, I fell into that trap
[00:49] <diddledan> that's the main reason I've been reticent about finding another place to keep it
[00:50] <m0nkey_> I'm using FastMail right now, but it's kinda expensive. Every client I use has to be a 3rd party.
[00:50] <m0nkey_> So I'm looking at options
[00:50] <m0nkey_> Outlook Premium is currently $30/year.
[00:50] <m0nkey_> That's cheaper than $70/year
[00:52] <m0nkey_> I've looked at O365 Essetials, but that still works out around $73/month
[00:52] <m0nkey_> Seems that 'real' e-mail is expensive :D
[00:54] <m0nkey_> I could host it myself, but I don't want the hassel. My time is expensive, having somebody host it for me is cheap :)
[00:56] <diddledan> yeah, hosting email is a constant pain
[00:58] <m0nkey_> Outlook Premium for $30/year is the best I've come across.
[00:59] <m0nkey_> Gives me Exchange for a low price. EAS works on all mobile platforms, etc.
[00:59] <m0nkey_> While I love FastMail, everything to use it is a 3rd party :(
[01:02] <m0nkey_> What do you think?
[01:02] <m0nkey_> Given the choice, who would you use?
[01:03] <diddledan> certainly the cheaper option is outlook. I would imagine it's fairly solid based on my limited observations
[01:32] <zmoylan-pi> is there a site that shows downtime for them as i think i've heard of outlook been offline a few times
[02:28] <m0nkey_> zmoylan-pi: Gmail has been down, Outlook has been down, even FastMail has been down. It happens.
[07:06] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:01] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:02] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon how goes it ?
[08:02] <brobostigon> morning, not bad, and you?
[11:05] <m0nkey_> BTRFS has been deprecated in RHEL7: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/7.4_Release_Notes/chap-Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux-7.4_Release_Notes-Deprecated_Functionality.html
[11:05] <MooDoo>  /me waits for the hundreds of "this is an ubuntu channel" comments lol
[11:05] <m0nkey_> I know that, but if one starts doing it, others might.
[11:06] <MooDoo> m0nkey_: don't worry i'm being and ar*e :)
[11:07] <MooDoo> wel i guess that's only suse using it by default now
[11:15] <popey> it seems it was never particularly well supported there it seems
[11:15] <popey> interesting that suse went the other way and made it default
[11:51] <SuperMatt> I've simply haven't heard a single success story with btrfs
[11:58] <MooDoo> suse?  that's quite a big one :D lol
[11:59] <popey> probably not because they're hidden away, working fine
[11:59] <popey> E.g. NetGear ReadyNas, they're btrfs out of the box and just work
[11:59] <popey> loads of people have them in their homes and businesses
[12:00] <popey> also, Sailfish phones, ship by default with btrfs.
[12:00] <popey> Also, OpenSUSE default install which has at leat 10 users, ships by default with btrfs ;)
[12:00] <popey> works well too. Every time you update it, it uses 'snapper' to take a snapshot which means you can easily roll back.
[12:00] <SuperMatt> At least 10, but maxing out at 20
[12:01] <popey> Steady!
[12:01] <popey> I hear it's in the hundreds of thousands.
[12:01] <popey> Which isn't to be sniffed at
[12:01] <popey> That's just one flavour of OpenSUSE of course, they have multiple flavours, and the enterprise SLES too.
[12:02] <SuperMatt> I understand it being used for /, because it is certainly useful to be able to roll back, but it's awful for /home. I used it in /home, and it made firefox painfully slow.
[12:07] <popey> Ah, I have never tried it for /home
[12:10] <SuperMatt> tbh, my experiments were on spinning rust, I'm sure it's better on faster disks
[12:11] <popey> i switched to zfs on my home server
[12:13] <SuperMatt> I'm happy with ext4 and xfs
[13:01] <diplo> I'm going ZFS when i sort my server out at home
[13:03] <MooDoo> diplo: I need to get a server, but waiting till i move house, thinking about a little intel NUC
[13:05] <diplo> I use a NUC at work now for running stuff on, but still have my microserver at home
[13:05] <diplo> the old n54 or whatever it was, running for 7-8 years under the stairs
[13:05] <diplo> upgrading every few years on lts
[13:05] <MooDoo> diplo: looked at the microseevers....just want someting to use as a vmware host
[13:06] <MooDoo> s/vmhost/host
[13:06] <diplo> I know of people who use it to host a few VM's
[13:10] <diplo> I've hosted one or two VM's via Virtualbox on my NUC and isn't great, tis ok
[13:11] <MooDoo> i'll see, just want a decent host server, might have to make one lol
[13:13] <diplo> I'm ordering a new machine for work, but decent host server would be better to make something yourself
[13:13] <MooDoo> I'm sure I can do that :D
[13:31] <BigRedS> I've a not-new NUC as my desktop at work; I/O and memory's great, easily able to have a few relatively idle VMs kicking around at a time
[13:44] <diddledan> wait, btrfs is deprecated? so it skipped the whole product lifecycle after "alpha"?
[13:44] <diplo> On Redhat it appears :)
[13:49] <zmoylan-pi> maybe they're doing a google and going from beta to cancelled
[13:50] <MooDoo> obviously RHEL can't see what SUSE does