[04:14] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:08] <lordievader> Good morning
[13:10] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:16] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj
[13:16] <lordievader> How are you?
[13:17] <BluesKaj> Hi lordievader, fine here, and you?
[13:18] <lordievader> Doing good here too, trying to unify my latex document into one font.
[13:35] <donofrio> anyone here running ubuntu inside windpws 10 with wsl?
[13:36] <oerheks> Not me donofrio , there is a dedicated channel too  #ubuntu-on-windows
[14:11] <donofrio> this one has 54 folks, that other channel has 12
[15:08] <nicomachus> donofrio: well this isn't a support channel
[15:12] <oerheks> I'd like to discuss the bash on win, but i have only info that is published lately,.. some even drive a desktop on it
[15:16] <nacc> oerheks: that'd be the WSL (which is distinct, aiui, from bash on windows)
[15:19] <oerheks> oh .. see,i knew there was something behind that
[15:19] <nacc> oerheks: that's my recollection, they were two different things
[15:19] <nacc> iirc, the bash thing is basically reimplementing a posix shell but in powershell
[15:19] <nacc> it's not quite bash, it's not quite windows :)
[15:20] <nacc> and it's not actually posix, as windows isn't posix, so there are some semantics you can't implement correctly
[15:20] <oerheks> I see, still it meets the minimum specs by design, as it is out of beta
[15:25] <nacc> oerheks: yeah, it's confusing -- I really don't use either, but iirc, bash on windows was an ubuntu-specific thing
[15:25] <nacc> oerheks: WSL has multiple linux images
[15:25] <nacc> but they aren't really images, they are more like tarballs (I think)
[15:27] <nacc> oerheks: but also, as far as the faq goes, it's still not supported by the public channel, i think
[15:28] <donofrio> my "Daily Driver" looks like https://1drv.ms/f/s!AsBlZbBf72iNmuEWch93phCzZB8s6A
[15:33] <nacc> I mean without virt., there are simply some things that can't be the same under the covers between WSL and just L, I'd think
[15:47] <donofrio> I don't think VM;s are the way to go, I mean I used to run three linux mint desktops joined with synergy and it worked great for four plus years then about a year ago or so the desktop folks would drop over or email things like yah nice desktops you have there can you rename them to blah and we need them to do ddns I figured that was when I needed to run core image corp and cygwin after that they stopped something around me...
[15:47] <donofrio> but I had to go down to two desktop's and only four monitors....it was glorious... https://1drv.ms/i/s!AsBlZbBf72iNwzx1bHEdEXKp1Fmp I mean I like windows 10 and wsl alot I also use mouses without boarders to share the single hid imputs to both desktops these days
[15:48] <nacc> donofrio: i meant in the general sense
[15:48] <nacc> donofrio: VMs are absolutely the way to go, depending on context
[15:48] <nacc> donofrio: if you want to be "running Linux", you need to be using a VM
[15:48] <nacc> donofrio: minimally, aiui, the WSL images don't have their own kernel
[15:49] <nacc> donofrio: they seem more like containers to me, but people will think they are VMs already and then be sad
[15:51] <donofrio> the reason why I like them not to be vm's is they should be able to control the files/repositories from within sccm or group policy (couldn't leverage group policy on linux before without expensive clients)
[15:51] <nacc> "sccm"?
[15:51] <nacc> donofrio: "group policy" = AD?
[15:53] <donofrio> yep
[15:53] <donofrio> too many folks have been running vm's here and vm's there now we should be able to discurage that and just run redhat or ubuntu on the core desktop's.....it should be more secure I believe....
[15:54] <nacc> except you're *NOT* running redhat or ubuntu
[15:54] <nacc> redhat and ubuntu are fundamentally tied to a kernel
[15:54] <nacc> you are running some userspace with a translation layer
[15:54] <nacc> that translation layer is not necessarily compliant with the specs (e.g., POSIX)
[15:54] <nacc> which is why I think VMs make way more sense :)
[15:55] <donofrio> I used to run cygwin so posix is awesome glue just this feels like a more stable thing for developers, unless your developing something for the kernel....if not userspace should be fine for 98% tasks....
[15:58] <nacc> donofrio: right, just don't call it Linux :)
[15:58] <nacc> donofrio: that's my opinion, admittedly
[16:09] <nacc> 16.04.3 released
[16:13] <donofrio> yah if I was creator update 1703 I'd be running 16.04
[19:04] <oerheks> nicomachus, 2nd one today that didn't look at updates
[19:05] <oerheks> there is a new kernel out, i noticed.
[19:05] <nicomachus> yes, 16.04.3 was released today.
[19:15] <ducasse> Bashing-om: wouldn't the amdgpu driver get loaded automatically if it is needed? looked at xorg.0.log?
[19:17] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Yes, I would expect so . but no idea YET what all the OP has done . From what I can gathjer the correct driver is amdgpu and maybe supported now by -PRO .
[19:20] <Bashing-om> ducasse: https://pastebin.com/yyvKQjM6 . Am I reading this right that radeon is loaded but that amdgpu is available ?
[19:21] <nacc> oerheks: nicomachus: just an fyi, i'm realizing this will be relevant, we should see everyone be taken off the 4.8 kernel to the 4.10 one if on 16.04 hwe
[19:22] <oerheks> yeah, some do not look for updates properly, others ignore issues and end up with that 4.8 kernel
[19:22] <ducasse> Bashing-om: looks like they are both loaded, maybe that's how amdgpu works - i don't know
[19:22]  * nicomachus is over here running 4.4.0-87
[19:24] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Humm .. lots to learn . " radeon               1507328  13 " says to me it is active while " amdgpu               1564672  0" means inactive ???
[19:25] <oerheks> note that himem is using i3 wm
[19:25] <nicomachus> yea, he waited an awfully long time to mention that too.
[19:25] <oerheks> with an ubuntu theme, so those artifacts garbish could well be a theme thing
[19:26] <ducasse> Bashing-om: misread that, you're right...
[19:32] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Not decided here yet on a best means to proceed . But I am set on making sure that amdgpu is the driver in use .
[19:33] <oerheks> man, is there a strange planet-constilation today??
[19:33] <nicomachus> it's the clipse
[19:33] <nicomachus> eclipse*
[19:33] <nicomachus> causing problems already
[19:33] <oerheks> ahhh .. i got tickets but cannot make it
[19:35] <oerheks> paid Ƀ 5 for it
[19:35] <nicomachus> I have to drive my boss to the epicenter :/ traffic is gonna suckkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
[19:37] <oerheks> why does this troll not paste what comes after ... Reading package lists...
[20:09] <nicomachus> ducasse: that is just too good
[20:09] <nacc> lol
[20:09] <nicomachus> thank you thank you thank you
[20:09] <ducasse> lol
[20:09] <oerheks> LoLz, compton, i3
[20:09] <oerheks> what is next?
[20:09] <ducasse> sometimes you just need to rtfm
[20:10] <nicomachus> I generally just stop trying to help anyone using i3 or similar tiling WMs. They seem to denote a certain type of user that I don't mesh with well.
[20:10] <oerheks> 5 hrs ago: [17:09] <oerheks> 16.04/i3 would be your choise then, i think and due to the lack of amdgpu-pro, the best option for i3 [17:10] <oerheks> 16.04 + hwe perhaps
[20:10] <oerheks> launchpad karma = 0 ... lolz
[20:12] <ducasse> nicomachus: i use i3 myself and love it, but lately tiling wms have started attracting a certain crowd i don't mesh with either...
[20:13] <nicomachus> "I'm a linux genius I use i3." "What? of course I updated, I ran apt-get update"
[20:13] <nicomachus> "reinstall??? you can't be serious, I have too much custom config here"
[20:15] <Bashing-om> a linux genius ; then you do have back ups ! Just how many times have "YOU" broke the system ... Only 2 .. takes 10+ to be a genius :)
[20:16] <ducasse> people are strange creatures
[20:18] <Bashing-om> ducasse: But interesting ( so long as effort is in a forward direction) . My patience gets real thin with stupid .