[06:17] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:12] <diplo> Morning all, any of you guys set up an FTP server before, I haven't.. just want very basic one to test
[08:12] <diplo> Getting permission denied.. any pointers. PWD appears to be going to /home/andy which is correct, I'm googling currently but I'm guessing it's a vsftpd.conf setting to enable
[08:16] <diplo> hah, ask here.. sort it.. always the way :)
[08:17] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:25] <TwistedLucidity> diplo: Usually just framing the question makes one think of something. But don't leave us in suspenders, what was it?
[08:26] <diplo> write_enable=yes - I expect in most cases you'd lock it down with chroot's etc
[08:26] <diplo> But I'm going to uninstall it in about 20 mins
[08:26]  * TwistedLucidity admits they have never once used a "chroot"
[08:27] <diplo> We have some archaic customers / third party vendors who will only accept FTP connections, but it needs to be automated from a script
[08:27] <diplo> Our script is dieing with issues, so I'm re
[08:27] <diplo> -writing it to be a bit more compliant
[08:37] <BigRedS> IIRC the vsftpd in the repos doesn't do chrooted FTP well, it's oddly picky about permissions
[08:48] <SuperMatt> Really? I've supported vsftpd doing chroot before now, and it does it quite well
[08:49] <SuperMatt> the place you chroot to needs to be owned by root, iirc, and then the subfolder can be owned by the chrooted user
[08:55] <TwistedLucidity> I heard about "downpour.com" the other day. DRM-free audiobook sounded cool.
[08:55] <TwistedLucidity> So far every book I have checked says "Not Available For Sale in United Kingdom"
[08:55] <TwistedLucidity> So I guess they don't want my money.
[08:56] <TwistedLucidity> Industries need to get with the program, region restrictions on the Internet are moronic.
[08:56]  * TwistedLucidity ponders jumping on the US VPN
[09:26] <diplo> Did it work TwistedLucidity  ?
[09:29] <TwistedLucidity> Not tried, but it should do. Region locks are stupid.
[09:30] <diplo> Certainly are
[09:31] <TwistedLucidity> I support DVD Regions. Those languages take up space. I don't support DVD Region *Locks*
[09:39] <BigRedS> SuperMatt: yeah, that's what I mean by it not doing it well :)
[09:42] <SuperMatt> Naw man, it's fine. It works really well
[09:43] <BigRedS> ah, hang on, I think Ubuntu's got allow_writable_chroot
[09:43] <BigRedS> definitely Debian hasn't, which is the problem I have with adding it to an already-running system; I don't want to have to change fs permissions
[09:55] <SuperMatt> What I used to do was have a folder structure like chroots/user/data (or something) where user is owned by root, and data by the actual user. The homedir for the user is then pointed at the user dir
[09:56] <BigRedS> ah yeah, but then it's as bad as chrooted sftp
[09:56] <SuperMatt> :/
[14:32] <diplo> .
[14:32] <diplo> Blimey, thought that would have disconnected, rebooted the router 4 times :D
[14:35] <diddledan> I don't understand how network connections can maintain over an intermittent link like that
[14:36] <diddledan> I guess I should look at the protocol they use for Deep Space Communications
[14:36] <diddledan> super low bandwidth AND regular connectivity breaks
[14:38] <diddledan> I love that a load of radio arrays around the world are linked together to provide the Deep Space Network for satellites and probes and things around the solar system
[14:38] <diddledan> the whole idea that we have extended networking into the solarsystem is funky - means mars collonists could conceivably get wikipedia
[14:39]  * diddledan listening to the ubuntu podcast. they're talking about nipples
[14:39] <diddledan> popey: do you prefer fingering a nipple?
[14:40] <diddledan> I never managed to get the hang of it
[14:43] <m0nkey_> diddledan: If Musk has his way, Mars will be collonised and they will get high speed Internet.
[14:43] <diddledan> \o/
[14:43] <m0nkey_> But would you be able to call it the Internet?
[14:43] <diddledan> interplanetary net
[14:43] <m0nkey_> Because Internet is Intercontenental Network
[14:44] <m0nkey_> I think it should be called "planet"
[14:45] <m0nkey_> Interplanet :)
[14:45] <zmoylan-pi> they'll suck at online games multiplayer...
[14:45] <m0nkey_> Don't worry zmoylan-pi, they'll have local servers.
[14:45] <zmoylan-pi> only if ms and sony allow them
[14:46] <m0nkey_> IF you think about it, Bitcoin could become the first interplanetary currancy.
[14:46] <m0nkey_> Or should I say Bitcoin Cash?
[14:47] <m0nkey_> If you had 1 bitcoin, over night your bitcoin split and now you have almost doubled your total value.
[14:49] <diddledan> lol @ ubuntu podcast sting: "are you looking after your bits? why not help other people look after their bits too.."
[14:50] <m0nkey_> Want to look after your bits and bytes. Put it on ZFS ;)
[14:50] <diddledan> :-p
[14:50] <m0nkey_> ZFS IS AWESOME btw..
[14:50] <diddledan> well btrfs is going the way of the donkey so ...
[14:50] <m0nkey_> I should have gone to Debconf
[14:50] <m0nkey_> It's down the road from where I live
[14:50] <diddledan> plus btrfs really hasn't ever reached "usable"
[14:50] <zmoylan-pi> put on clay tablets, umpteen symrian scribes can't be wrong
[14:51] <m0nkey_> diddledan: We don't talk about Butter FS.
[14:51] <diddledan> "using raid 5 ish btrfs? yeah, we killed all your data!"
[14:51] <zmoylan-pi> and ibm are now talking about a 300tb theoretical tape drive...
[14:51] <diddledan> yikes
[14:51] <zmoylan-pi> ...if only i trusted tape... :-)
[14:51] <m0nkey_> That'll be the next LTO generation.
[14:52] <m0nkey_> I'm wondering if I should switch back to IRCCloud and drop Quassel.
[14:53] <zmoylan-pi> now if they made a version that fitted in your phone like their micro hd in the nokia n95...
[14:53] <diddledan> you're being very indecisive about your ircing :-D
[14:53] <m0nkey_> Quassel is nice, but I miss push notifications and the ability to log-on from anywhere and not use a client.
[14:53] <diddledan> bouncy bouncy
[14:53] <m0nkey_> Yeah, you're right. I'll stick with Quassel for now.
[14:53] <zmoylan-pi> i use irssi on a rasp pi which i can connect to from anywhere in the house from any device up to and including my nokia dumbphone use a java irc client
[14:54] <diddledan> "there are two reviews on itunes for the ubuntu podcast, and one of them is from my mum!"
[14:55] <zmoylan-pi> we've hit peek your mother running linux... sell! sell! sell!
[14:55] <m0nkey_> diddledan: I'm getting to the point where I don't want to self host anymore. With two kids and other stuff going on, I don't really have the time to maintain it all.
[14:55] <diddledan> yeah I hear that
[14:56] <m0nkey_> I like IRCCloud. Push notifications, log-on from any browser, decent mobile app.
[14:56] <m0nkey_> Quassel has an excelent Android app.
[14:56] <m0nkey_> But no push :(
[14:57] <zmoylan-pi> the nice thing i liked about quassel was that at the time i used i had a mac, windows and linux at home and quassel ran on all of them exactly the same
[14:57] <m0nkey_> zmoylan-pi: That's why I like it.
[14:57] <m0nkey_> Doesn't matter what device I'm on, config follows me.
[14:57] <m0nkey_> Same goes with IRCCloud.
[14:58] <m0nkey_> The only thing missing from IRCCloud, which I will miss in Quassel is command aliases.
[15:00] <m0nkey_> diddledan: you still use IRCCloud, can you do command aliases yet?
[15:03] <diddledan> I haven't seen anything about aliases :-(
[15:05] <m0nkey_> There's probably a script or something I can install in the browser to do that anyway.
[15:27]  * TwistedLucidity feels like they are missing out all this l33t IRC madness
[15:27] <TwistedLucidity> I just use Konversation, like an unwashed peasant.
[15:32] <m0nkey_> lol
[15:32] <m0nkey_> Eeewwh.. KDE..
[15:32] <m0nkey_> :)
[15:33] <m0nkey_> It's okay, I use explorer.exe as my window manager.
[15:47] <diddledan> I don't like pheasant
[15:48] <diddledan> too gamey
[15:48] <diddledan> love me a drop of bambi tho
[18:19]  * m0nkey_ dances \o\  /o/  \o_ _o/
[19:56] <diddledan> m0nkey_: ┏(-_-)┛┗(-_-﻿)┓┗(-_-)┛┏(-_-)┓
[20:16] <m0nkey_> So it's a dance off you want?
[20:18] <m0nkey_> Wtf. The price of LastPass has doubled!
[20:20] <diddledan> wat?
[20:21] <m0nkey_> https://twitter.com/LastPass/status/893111735309275136
[20:23] <m0nkey_> Double the price for less features
[20:23] <m0nkey_> I shall not be renewing.
[20:23] <diddledan> that's really suckynuts
[20:24] <diddledan> is there an opensauce equivalent I wonder
[20:24] <m0nkey_> keypass and passwordsafe
[20:25] <m0nkey_> I hear good things about DashLane, don't know how much it costs.
[20:43] <m0nkey_> I did try 1Password a while back. But it's expensive, but has a shit ton of features.
[20:52] <m0nkey_> I might try 1Password again. I recall the Windows and Mac apps were pretty decent. Don't recall Android.
[20:57] <zmoylan-pi> just download a hacked version of a russian server... :-P
[21:15] <m0nkey_> riiight
[21:19] <m0nkey_> Hmm, 1Password is $35USD/year
[21:28] <diddledan> I think I'm gonna go with: https://passman.cc/
[21:28] <diddledan> open sauce and has an android app - it's a nextcloud plooooogin
[21:29] <m0nkey_> and it's integrated with nextcloud?
[21:30] <diddledan> yup
[21:31] <m0nkey_> Hmm
[21:31] <m0nkey_> I don't want to self host.
[22:03] <m0nkey_> I'm really disappointed with LastPass.
[22:03] <m0nkey_> Everything else wants $50 or more a year.
[22:06] <zmoylan-pi> post-its dont't :-)
[22:07] <m0nkey_> lol
[23:01] <diddledan> wow: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/08/03/linux_kernel_grsecurity_sues_bruce_perens_for_defamation/
[23:06] <diddledan> oh dear: https://www.grahamcluley.com/fbi-arrests-wannacrys-accidental-hero-connection-kronos-banking-trojan/
[23:07] <zmoylan-pi> in the good old days some one would have held their pints while they beat the bejebus out of one another at a convention... linux is getting all grown up now :'-)
[23:07] <zmoylan-pi> that wannacry hero arrest seems hokey
[23:22] <zmoylan-pi> i can't wait for all the security patches... :-) http://boingboing.net/2017/08/03/java-ported-to-commodore-64.html
[23:25] <m0nkey_> wait. what?
[23:59] <m0nkey_> diddledan: just found Enpass. Seems to do browser autofill and app fill on Android :)