[00:00] <nacc> buggaboosanchez: that sounds like something to ask Eramba about?
[00:00] <nacc> buggaboosanchez: or i'm not quite sure what you're asking :)
[00:01] <buggaboosanchez> nacc: Yeah, that isn't possible so at that poihnt it hit a brick wall
[00:02] <buggaboosanchez> what about making that one program use a different (earlier) version of php? Would that be doable?
[00:04] <nacc> buggaboosanchez: so it's purely about php dependencies?
[00:04] <nacc> buggaboosanchez: what version do you have and do you need?
[00:19] <buggaboosanchez> nacc: I am so sorry I am at the library and it's closing. I have to go but will come around asking again.  Yes, it was some clause written in his code in php-5 but php-7 absolutely wouldn't take it anymore. I code some but not php really.  It looks like they're waving an update over our heads for about 6 mos now. Maybe next year (unless I can find some hack to get the existing version up and running).  I gotta go. Sorry. Will return
[00:20] <CoreJohnson> I'm trying to find a way to open multiple instances of firefox with defined window coordinates on a separate monitor here in Linux ( Ubuntu 16.04 / Gnome )   Would anyone care to chime in on the subject or please perhaps, point me in the general direction of such said info.
[00:24] <brigs11> Hi, I'm having some difficulties installing ubuntu into an old laptop, it can't boot from USB and I don't have a disk burner.
[00:25] <CoreJohnson> I started querying google but I thought I'd stop in here to to ask also .
[00:25] <CoreJohnson> does you install media work in a nother computer ?   Can you test that ?
[00:26] <brigs11> It's not the install media, the laptop simply won't allow me to boot from USB
[00:26] <CoreJohnson> You
[00:27] <brigs11> Only Floppy or DVD/CD, which I can't use.
[00:27] <CoreJohnson> d most likly need to take the hard drive out and install the files from another computer.  Then with some wizardry get it to boot on the other hardware
[00:27] <Bashing-om> !install | brigs11
[00:28] <CoreJohnson> brigs11:  floppy ? seriously  how old is that thing  lol :0
[00:28] <brigs11> Thinkpad R40, Pentium II.
[00:28] <featherfeet> You can install Ubuntu using a live USB pen drive. This is much faster than a CD/DVD.
[00:29] <CoreJohnson> brigs11:   Why even.  I think It would need to be an other kernel version. I'm not %100 on that though
[00:29] <CoreJohnson> to be an older kernel...
[00:30] <CoreJohnson> Just a p2 is getting pretty old
[00:30] <CoreJohnson> expect for nostalgia maybe
[00:31] <CoreJohnson> For any serious tolerable usage much more can be had for very little these days
[00:32] <brigs11> For fun lol, in any case I can't install from USB. The BIOS won't allow me to boot from it. I have tried unetbootin but the processor this computer has doesn't have the flags to indicate that it has PAE when it can does, according to google. The workaround doesn't work in the unetbootin launcher.
[00:34] <CoreJohnson> with no cd drive then your duped. unless you put the hard drive in another computer.  And it will be ide so unless the other pc is quite old then you will need an adapter
[00:35] <CoreJohnson> I'll go out on a whim here and say the unit does not support any sort of network boot from the bios at all eh ?
[00:36] <brigs11> Nope.
[00:36] <CoreJohnson> whim    hmm  limb maybe
[00:36] <CoreJohnson> lol
[00:36] <brigs11> Maybe wubi will work
[00:37] <CoreJohnson> does it have a bootable operating system on it now ?
[00:38] <brigs11> Yes, Windows XP Pro.
[00:38] <a|i> I just mounted an old ubuntu installation on mac using etx4fuse, all files seems to be there, but the directory /home is empty. is this a known permission problem? does ubuntu not permit /home to be accessed when mounted like this?
[00:39] <CoreJohnson> Well since you mentioned that.  I also for got about the floppy.  You have a few options now
[00:41] <CoreJohnson> a|i   was  /home on a different partition ?
[00:43] <a|i> CoreJohnson: good point, I don’t think it was, there is only one linux partition and one linux swap partiion.
[00:45] <CoreJohnson> could have been mounted somewhere else
[00:45] <CoreJohnson> Could check out the os's fstab config
[00:48] <a|i> CoreJohnson: you’re right, /etc/fstab shows /home points to /dev/sda9, hmm but there is no such parition on that disk.
[00:49] <brigs11_> Wubi doesn't seem to work, HTTP Error 404 Not Found.
[00:52] <CoreJohnson> a|i: how many drives are there ?    Maybe it was re-appropriated before
[00:53] <a|i> CoreJohnson: only 1 drive, I wonder it the old disk is corrupted.
[00:57] <CoreJohnson> brigs11:  I've never tried wubi before.  It depends if you want a native install or it to run threw windows.  But the idea of running linux threw xp like in a VM on a pII....  Frankly the thought of the slowness hurts my brain to even think of it
[01:01] <CoreJohnson> a|i: perhaps. Can you check it out  ?
[01:06] <brigs11_> Hmm, I think I'll give up on this one for now. Thanks for the help CoreJohnson.
[01:12] <CoreJohnson> brigs11:   Right on man. Keep on keeping on
[01:23] <programmar101> how do i install netbeans-8.2-linux.sh
[01:24] <programmar101> hi
[01:25] <CoreJohnson> programmar101:   like this ?   http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/10/netbeans-8-2-released-how-to-install-it-in-ubuntu-16-04/
[01:25] <programmar101> i have 14.04lts
[01:25] <CoreJohnson> It should still work
[01:26] <programmar101> ok
[01:26] <programmar101> ty
[01:27] <CoreJohnson> np
[01:43] <UNIcodeX> I'm using 17.04 zesty and my screen rotates at the slightest angle change on my laptop. How can I stop this from happening?
[01:43] <UNIcodeX> iio-sensor-proxy doesn't seem to be used on this version
[01:48] <Jonii> How do you change the locations of monitors for login screen?
[01:49] <Jonii> They're not following the scheme I set up in settings
[01:49] <Jonii> Which really shouldn't matter much... But it's annoying
[01:50] <kk4ewt> setting is after you login to the DE not before
[01:57] <programmar101> core
[01:57] <programmar101> CoreJohnson,
[01:57] <programmar101> i get error how do i remove it
[01:59] <programmar101> nvm
[02:02] <programmar101> ty
[02:02] <programmar101> run:
[02:02] <programmar101> Hello World
[02:02] <programmar101> BUILD SUCCESSFUL (total time: 0 seconds)
[02:02] <programmar101> https://www.tutorialspoint.com/java/
[02:20] <kkerwin> Hi. Trying to install a package on 16.04, and hitting an error. Pretty sure I've seen this error before and that there is a simple command to fix it, but can't remember it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25230435/
[02:22] <croberts> kkerwin: try this
[02:22] <croberts> sudo apt-get install -f
[02:22] <croberts> to grab deps
[02:23] <kkerwin> croberts: Fails w/same error.
[02:23] <croberts> :( hmm not sure then
[02:23] <kkerwin> Wasn't there a similar one w/dpkg?
[02:23] <croberts> usually that fixes it
[02:24] <croberts> found this dpkg doesn't have dependency support. There is a way around it but that would require you to make a local database (and thus you would already know the dependencies) and it is considered obsolete (...).
[02:24] <croberts> everything shows apt-get install -f
[02:24] <croberts> so not sure why its not working sorry
[02:24] <kkerwin> Oh shit. I forgot. I'm running debian on this box, not ubuntu. My bad. That said, I had the same problem on 16.04. I'll go talk to the upstream folks.
[02:24] <croberts> usually that is a fix all
[02:24] <croberts> ah
[02:26] <Bashing-om> kkerwin: Try: ' sudo dpkg-reconfigure opensmtpd ' .
[02:27] <kkerwin> "is broken or not fully supported"
[02:28] <kkerwin> And, Bashing-om: that was the command I was thinking about. Pursuing aid in debian channel as that is what this box is supporting.
[02:28] <kkerwin> Thanks, all, for your help.
[02:28] <Bashing-om> kkerwin: :)
[02:29] <Ericthegreat> hello
[02:30] <Ericthegreat> could anyone help me out
[02:30] <Ericthegreat> im trying to follow this guide https://medium.com/@mmiglier/ubuntu-installation-on-usb-stick-with-pure-efi-boot-mac-compatible-469ad33645c9
[02:30] <Ericthegreat> but at the end i get a problem at radeonfx somthing
[02:30] <Ericthegreat> and i need to boot with nomodeset
[02:30] <Ericthegreat> but how can i do that from the command line
[02:31] <Ericthegreat> is there like a boot -nomodeset
[02:31] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | Ericthegreat
[02:36] <linux_user> I am trying to setup udev so that when I plug a headset in it becomes the default microphone and speaker automatically, using Ubuntu 16.04 GNOME and struggling as I know little about alsa or pulse audio and I think I have both maybe, not sure if you can or why you would
[02:36] <linux_user> in short: help...please :)
[02:45] <Ericthegreat> @bashing-om ive needeed to use nomodeset before, but I have a ubuntu installation on a usb stick that I want to boot from, but i was told that i cannot do that from the osx launcher until i set up the correct type of partition, so im useing grub from the live cd going into the command line initializeing root the vmlinuz and the initrd then i boot i need to boot nomodeset from there
[02:46] <Jordan_U> linux_user: Is this a USB headset? What happened when you plugged it in before making any other changes. I thought switching to USB headphones whne plugged in was the default.
[02:47] <linux_user> aparently not
[02:48] <linux_user> apparently not...
[02:49] <linux_user> I know very little about Linux audio but when I plugged the headset in via USB and ran espeak, it still came out the speakers
[02:49] <linux_user> I tried writing a udev rule but to no avail.
[02:52] <Bashing-om> Ericthegreat: Sorry - I know nothing of osx or what it expects. When you boot up the installer one can set nomdeset as a boot parameter in grub's boot command line from the F6 options menu .
[02:52] <linux_user> Jordan_U: I think it might be broken
[02:53] <Ericthegreat> @bashing-om ill try that but is that the same as the e menu because then i cant get there after ive specifyed the settings in command line
[02:55] <Bashing-om> Ericthegreat: No, the 'e' is in the installed system to have grub pass to the kernel . You want to pass the parameter from the installer, right ?
[02:56] <Ericthegreat> @bashing -om i need to pass it from the grub comman line
[02:56] <Ericthegreat> @bashing-om i need to pass it from the grub comman line
[02:57] <Bashing-om> Ericthegreat: In the install stage . yes ?
[02:59] <Ericthegreat> @bashing-om >.>; I mean i have a usb with ubuntu installed but no bootloader, so i boot into the grub on the live installer i press c i set root i set vmlinuz i set intrid then i boot
[03:00] <Ericthegreat> but in that boot i need to specify nomodeset
[03:01] <Ericthegreat> https://medium.com/@mmiglier/ubuntu-installation-on-usb-stick-with-pure-efi-boot-mac-compatible-469ad33645c9
[03:01] <Ericthegreat> im at the part
[03:01] <Ericthegreat> Finally type:  grub> boot  You should find yourself booted into your installation!
[03:01] <Ericthegreat> i need to specify nomodeset
[03:02] <linux_user> Jordan_U: Nope, the headset works fine with Windows, Linux, Alsa, or PulseAudio must be broken.
[03:06] <Bashing-om> Ericthegreat: OK, understood at last . but I know of no way to pass a boot parameter from the grub prompt :(
[03:08] <Ericthegreat> @bashing-om yea thats where im at thanks for helping, but if anyone knows a way, ill be in irc for a bit
[03:08] <Zythyr> I need help properly configure LAMPP server permissions in Ubuntu 14 LTS. I think my permissions are incorrect because the during installation of a Drupal (content management system), it is unable to copy/create files its need to in the server. More details here: https://www.drupal.org/node/2899508
[03:10] <Ericthegreat> @bashing-om is there a way to go into live cd then move into my installation so i could modify it from terminal
[03:10] <CHVNX> You can do that, Ericthegreat
[03:11] <Ericthegreat> how?
[03:11] <CHVNX> Hold on a sec.
[03:11] <Ericthegreat> because all i need to do is modify some stuff then ill be able to boot
[03:12] <Ericthegreat> but i need the terminal functions to use my install not the live cd
[03:12] <CHVNX> Anyway, you want to chroot into your system using a live cd
[03:13] <Ericthegreat> i guess?
[03:13] <CHVNX> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery
[03:13] <Bashing-om> Ericthegreat: One can boot the installer, mount the installed partitions and then manipulate files on the install .
[03:13] <CHVNX> https://superuser.com/questions/111152/whats-the-proper-way-to-prepare-chroot-to-recover-a-broken-linux-installation
[03:13] <CHVNX> https://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=HOWTO:_chroot_from_a_LiveCD
[03:16] <Ericthegreat> thank you guys
[03:19] <Jordan_U> linux_user: What desktop environment are you using?
[03:21] <Jordan_U> linux_user: If you're using standard Ubuntu or Ubuntu GNOME then please try going to Settings (gnome-control-center) then Sound with the headset plugged in. Is the headset listed there ?
[03:31] <the_count> Hello! I was wondering if I could get some help with ubuntu. For some reason it is trying to auto login, and saying my keychain was not unlocked at login. I haven't ever had autologin set up though
[03:33] <the_count> Hello! I was wondering if I could get some help with ubuntu. For some reason it is trying to auto login, and saying my keychain was not unlocked at login. I haven't ever had autologin set up though
[03:38]  * the_count wonders if anyone is around?
[03:39] <capella> one person is here .... ah! ah! ah! ... two!! two persons are here ....
[03:41] <the_count> Maybe it is the wrong time
[03:46] <glitsj16> the_count: Have you checked your login manager's config yet to confirm autologin is disabled?
[03:48] <Faux-Pa> I have a problem with my iptables not allowing me to ssh into my Ubuntu Server... any ideas?
[03:48] <Faux-Pa> I already flushed the iptables and set them back to the defaults, but I still can't ssh in from WLS
[03:49] <Faux-Pa> If it helps, I'm sharing my Ubuntu Server's wifi connection via Ethernet.
[03:50] <Syntax990> Hello? Could someone help me with a little issue? XD
[03:50] <Faux-Pa> Is anyone there?
[03:51] <Syntax990> Hello?
[03:51] <Faux-Pa> Well, what's your issue?
[03:52] <Syntax990> Basically
[03:52] <Syntax990> How well do you understand Cryptography?
[03:52] <Faux-Pa> I have the same knowledge and expertise on that matter of a rock.
[03:52] <Faux-Pa> Sorry.
[03:53] <Syntax990> I have been given a job from God himself, he has woke me from my sleep to solve the mystery
[03:53] <Faux-Pa> Er... okay.
[03:53] <Syntax990> and I need someone with god-like intrinsic synapses to solve my issue, no living being has the skills to help me so I was wondering if there were any demi-god here to help me
[03:53] <Syntax990> Guess not
[03:54] <Syntax990> Here's what I need to do... I need to cat a blowfish through a pipe...
[03:54] <Syntax990> But I have no idea where to start
[03:54] <Faux-Pa> cat $blowfish | pipe
[03:54] <Syntax990> But my vision was underwater and there were cats and blowfish
[03:55] <Faux-Pa> underwater="$(cat $blowfish | pipe)"
[03:55] <Syntax990> Apparently I need to enter the matrix to cat a blowfish through a pipe, parsing the literall fabric of space and time
[03:56] <Syntax990> so bash isn't going to help :( but I like how quick you got that XD
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:15] <sary> Top of the morning to you.
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> tnx sary
[04:16] <EldonMcGuinness> Anyone familiar with using preseed?
[04:18] <lotuspsychje> EldonMcGuinness: ask your issue in the channel for best getting solved
[04:19] <EldonMcGuinness> I'm looking to add two users during the automated install. It looks like you can only add one, unless I'm missing something
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> EldonMcGuinness: can you tell us purpose of this also and ubuntu version?
[04:24] <EldonMcGuinness> I'm going to be installing ubuntu onto a number of machines tomorrow and wanted to setup unattended installs on usb drives so I can let them do their thing and come back to them finished
[04:24] <EldonMcGuinness> I need to have two users created, teacher and student.
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> EldonMcGuinness: ubuntu server?
[04:24] <EldonMcGuinness> the teacher account is the first one, which is fine as it needs to have sudo access, but I don't see a way to get this with a second user
[04:24] <EldonMcGuinness> no desktop
[04:26] <CodeMouse92__> Is there a good room for snapcraft questions?
[04:27] <CodeMouse92__> NM, answered my own question
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> EldonMcGuinness: the guest account cant play for the student account in your case?
[04:29] <EldonMcGuinness> unfortunately not, they have to be password protected as well
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> EldonMcGuinness: here an interesting thread: https://askubuntu.com/questions/806820/how-do-i-create-a-completely-unattended-install-of-ubuntu-desktop-16-04-1-lts perhaps play with groups? not sure really
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> EldonMcGuinness: my gues would be if the config says # users there must be a way to do multiple right
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: you can ask about ubuntu snaps here also
[04:31] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Building them?
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: sure, or #snappy
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> !snappy
[04:32] <CodeMouse92__> Well, if you don't mind a crosspost, as that room is quite apparently dead....
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: its ubuntu related, so try a shot here
[04:32] <CodeMouse92__> Given a setup.py (https://bpaste.net/show/ae2837e13a50), a snapcraft.yaml (https://bpaste.net/show/b0a5a817f700)...
[04:33] <CodeMouse92__> Why am I getting THIS: https://bpaste.net/show/687682e4738c
[04:33] <CodeMouse92__> And how do I fix it?
[04:33] <CodeMouse92__> (BTW, it is running juuuuuuuuuust fine all the way up to that point)
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: you sure these arguments are correctly inputted? option --single-version-externally-managed not recognized
[04:36] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Beats me, snapcraft's the one that ran the command.
[04:36] <CodeMouse92__> I literally just ran 'snapcraft' and let it do its thing. That's the last few lines of hundreds.
[04:37] <CodeMouse92__> (Figured the former hundreds is useless, given they all worked as expected)
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: following a guide somewhere?
[04:37] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: More or less, but I'm already way off the beaten path with this project. :\
[04:37] <CodeMouse92__> Been keeping this handy: https://snapcraft.io/docs/build-snaps/python
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: yeah that would be a good start point
[04:39] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: But, I already went through it. Three times. ;)
[04:39] <CodeMouse92__> Everything pasted above was BASED on it
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: ubuntu version and python version plz?
[04:41] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Well, I'm RUNNING Ubuntu 17.04, so I assume that's what Snapcraft is basing its Core off of...
[04:41] <CodeMouse92__> python 3.5, pip-9.0.1, setuptools-36.2.7, wheel-0.29.0
[04:42] <CodeMouse92__> s/python 3.5/python 3.5.3
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: i would test this on a latest 16.04
[04:42] <CodeMouse92__> Ugh
[04:42] <CodeMouse92__> THat's....going to set me back another day or two :(
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: that error when lookup says older python version or so
[04:42] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Except python 3.5.2 is not old by any stretch of the imagination
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: beats me: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14296531/what-does-error-option-single-version-externally-managed-not-recognized-ind
[04:44] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Heh, I found that Q/A about an hour an a half ago
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: if snap is all automated proces, and you get errors would make sense something in system lacks
[04:44] <CodeMouse92__> Yeah, you would *think*...
[04:44] <CodeMouse92__> The trick is figuring out *what* in system lacks
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: check this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+bug/1587193
[04:46] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Yeah, found that too. Note, no activity
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: add yourself affected to the bug also
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: then describe all details of yourself, ubuntu version, etc..
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: after that report the updated bug into #ubuntu-devel
[04:47] <CodeMouse92__> Say what now?
[04:47] <CodeMouse92__> Just tell them in #ubuntu-devel that I updated it?
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: yes, there are the devs at, and they have the power to look into it again
[04:48] <CodeMouse92__> okay
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: make sure you explain the whole story okay
[04:48] <CodeMouse92__> kk
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: tnx for helping the community
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: another thing to test would be creating that snap with 16.04
[04:51] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: That's easier said that done, but I'll see what I can manage
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> !info python-pip zesty
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> !info python-pip trusty
[04:59] <CodeMouse92__> !info python3-pip zesty
[04:59] <CodeMouse92__> !info python3-pip xenial
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: your error points me to problems with pip version also
[05:01] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: Oh? (Hopefully something other than "too old"...which it isn't, it's the latest version of pip out there)
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: https://github.com/platformio/platformio-core/issues/279
[05:02] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: K, well, snapcraft uses a virtualenv, and according to the hundreds of lines of output I figured no one wanted to hack through....:P
[05:02] <CodeMouse92__> It is upgrading pip to the latest version directly
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: my guess would be its 17.04
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: but i could be wrong, so make sure you forfill the bug okay
[05:04] <CodeMouse92__> forfill?
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: yeah fill in with all details, and update the bug
[05:05] <CodeMouse92__> Oh. Yeah, I did, and I mentioned the update in the currently very dead #ubuntu-devel
[05:06] <CodeMouse92__> lotuspsychje: incidentally, there's a reason I've said this for the past five years: http://bit.ly/2vve0dq
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> CodeMouse92__: nice work, when re-ask in the channel mention your bug url okay, have to go work now
[05:06] <CodeMouse92__> okies. ttyl
[05:12] <CompiABCD> i'm unable to install ubuntu 16.04.2 lts on my desktop. I keep getting kernel panic : VFS: unable to mount root. Any ideas. I have been at it for over 2 weeks. no luck.
[05:17] <CompiABCD> I'm not able to boot on the liveCD from DVD or using USB. any ideas? Bios is UEFI.
[05:25] <sary> CompiABCD: is secure boot disabled in the BIOS! at what speed you set to burn the iso ,which usb tool/method you've used .. also did you check the hashes on the iso file!
[05:28] <sary> CompiABCD: prefered speed to burn the iso to a dvd/cd is 2x or x4 max.. i never had boot issues after ddi'n the iso to a usb , or even using cat. check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[05:32] <CompiABCD> sary: Thanks for the reply. Bios Secure boot is disabled. dvd was created at x2. I used ubuntu startup disk creator for to make the bootable usb with.
[05:33] <Jordan_U> CompiABCD: Have you checked the integrity of the iso file you downloaded?
[05:34] <CompiABCD> Joradn_U: I haven't checked iso file. I will re download check it. thanks
[05:34] <CompiABCD> Jordan_U: I haven't checked iso file. I will re download check it. thanks
[05:40] <CompiABCD> Jordan_U: Found the downloaded file and checked the md5sums. File downloaded correctly.
[05:44] <EriC^^> CompiABCD: the error sounds like the dvd could be bad and the usb(as unlikely as that is), just my 2cents
[05:50] <CompiABCD> I remade the USB bootable drive using my laptop ubuntu startup disk creator tool from the md5sum checked iso file. (ubuntu 16.04.2). Rebooted desktop, got "purple" screen with keyboard icon. shortly afterwards kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill the idle task!
[05:50] <CompiABCD> EriC^^: Thanks, I will try a brand new USB drive.
[05:56] <Jordan_U> CompiABCD: Does this machine work with other OSs?
[06:16] <pankaj_> I installed lynx text browser on ubuntu Desktop as well as ubuntu server. But that installed on server one is unable to connect to any site?
[06:17] <CompiABCD> Jordan_U: Windows 10 installation only to 50% then BSOD.
[06:19] <Jordan_U> CompiABCD: My guess would be bad RAM or another hardware problem then.
[06:29] <b1rd> доброго дня
[06:29] <b1rd> есть русские гуру
[06:29] <b1rd> ?
[06:30] <sary> b1rd: english please ..
[06:30] <Jordan_U> !ru | b1rd
[06:31] <b1rd> thx
[06:33] <kristhian> question with libreoffice --writer, how do i make a check mark symbol if it is possible?
[06:33] <kristhian> thank you
[06:34] <Jordan_U> kristhian: There may be a nicer looking way but you can always use the inicode character '✓' .
[06:36] <CompiABCD> Jordan_U: I did a RAM test and CPU test, all passed. Must be a motherboard playing up? Thank for your assistance.
[06:37] <hateball> kristhian: You can go Insert -> Special character, to look for characters like √
[06:39] <Jordan_U> CompiABCD: Check your power supply as well.
[06:39] <kristhian> thanks hateball
[06:41] <Jordan_U> CompiABCD: From your description I'm almost certain it's a hardware problem. If you don't have the equiptment to test your power supply you can try unplugging uneeded hardware (even your internal HD, just as a test) and see if havin gfewer things using power allows you to boot. Beyond that, ##hardware can help you with more troubleshooting.
[06:50] <CompiABCD> Jordan_U: I have changed the power supply. I will ask on ##hardware for help to test the motherboard. Thanks.
[06:51] <Jordan_U> CompiABCD: You're welcome. Good luck.
[06:51] <Jordan_U> CompiABCD: Check your power supply as well.
[06:52] <Jordan_U> CompiABCD: Sorry,  ignore that :)
[06:55] <CompiABCD> Jordan_U: Okay, Robbed my sons PC RAM, Now all is working. Thanks heaps!!!
[06:57] <Jordan_U> CompiABCD: Odd, I thought you said that it passed a RAM test.
[06:57] <CompiABCD> Jordan_U: It did. That is why I am stunned.
[06:58] <Jordan_U> CompiABCD: Interesting. Is your son's RAM slower?
[06:58] <CompiABCD> Jordan_U: Same speed and Voltage, but different brand.
[07:13] <b1rd> hi friends!
[08:29] <glitchd> anyone know what the deal with xubuntu 16.04 not saving desktop icon locations is?
[08:54] <fugee> should i be using fakeroot to build kernel from source
[09:00] <nocco> I did just install ubuntu on one of my machines. The mouse went smooth without lagging in the live-usb-mode, but when running it after the installation is done. It lags so much... Not sure where I should start looking for the solution. Could it be the graphic drivers?
[09:11] <glitchd> is there a workaround for getting the icons on the desktop to save their positions between reboots?
[09:13] <developer1211> Hi guys, I want to point root to subdirectory using htaccess. Suppose if i hit xyz.com/admin then it should redirect to xyz.com/admin/admin/ but url will remain same xyz.com. any suggestion ?
[09:13] <Jordan_U> fugee: You shouldn't need to use fakeroot (or real root) to build a linux kernel, though if you're building a debian source package of the kernel then you should use fakeroot or some other method of appearing to run as root to build the package as you sould for any debian source package.
[09:15] <developer1211> any suggestion ?
[09:17] <developer1211> Hi guys, I want to point root to subdirectory using htaccess. Suppose if i hit xyz.com/admin then it should redirect to xyz.com/admin/admin/ but url will remain same xyz.com. any suggestion ?
[09:17] <hrob> hi
[09:18] <hrob> ehm, smartmon keeps sending me emails about pending sector on a disk
[09:18] <hrob> but when I list the disk manuallu using
[09:18] <hrob> smartctl -a /dev/sdi
[09:18] <hrob> I don't see any issues.
[09:18] <mancman3> is smartmon upto date
[09:19] <fugee> Jordan_U: i need to build kernel from source, that's all i know, debian is not preferred https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[09:22] <Jordan_U> fugee: Ubuntu's source and binary pacakge formats are the debian source and binary package formats. Those instructions say to use fakeroot and they are correct.
[09:23] <fugee> then source=debian?
[09:24] <fugee> Jordan_U ^
[09:25] <Jordan_U> fugee: I don't understand your question.
[09:26] <fugee> if i'm building from source i have to use what you say "debian source" and also fakeroot?
[09:26] <fugee> Jordan_U ^
[09:27] <Jordan_U> fugee: You should follow the instructions that you linked to.
[09:27] <fugee> ty
[09:30] <Jordan_U> fugee: Those instructions include grabbing Ubuntu's source kernel pacakge (whitch is a thing that uses the debian source pacakge format) and using fakeroot, among other tools, to build it.
[09:31] <fugee> ty
[09:31] <Jordan_U> fugee: What is your end goal? What problem are you trying to solve?
[09:32] <fugee> Jordan_U thanks for asking; chrome os 3.8.11 trying to install kernel headers on a chromebook
[09:32] <fugee> so i can install virtualbox
[09:33] <fugee> means i have to build kernel from source
[09:33] <fugee> because building from git clone failed
[09:33] <fugee> so i'm trying from source
[09:35] <fugee> Jordan_U https://github.com/dnschneid/crouton/wiki/Build-kernel-headers-and-install-Virtualbox-(x86)
[09:35] <fugee> Jordan_U crouton
[09:35] <fugee> what is -Werror
[09:35] <Jordan_U> fugee: No, it doesn't and to be useful your kernel headers need to match the kernel you're running so building some other kernel package won't get you any closer to kernel headers you can use.
[09:36] <fugee> been matched to uname -r
[10:24] <linuxlove> hi
[10:26] <linuxlove> i have gotten internet from my android device with usb cable on ubuntu 14.04 i want to share this internet with another pc that is connected to my pc just with a network cable how can i do it?(another pc is ubuntu 14.04 also )
[10:41] <geirha> !internetsharing
[10:43] <geirha> !inetsharing
[11:33] <boxrick> Currently in Ubuntu, doing a "service network restart", doesn't do the same thing as rebooting a box. I am trying to automate the network configuration of an Ubuntu 16.04 machine there seems to be no consistent reliable way to do this close to 'reboot'. Flushing the interfaces, forcing down and then back up again seems to be the closest thing but is still fraught with issues.
[11:33] <boxrick> Is there a simple way to simply kick over the network, or perhaps network manager would offer a better solution?
[11:33] <boxrick> CentOS works exactly as expected when simply restarting the network, so howcome Ubuntu doesn't?
[11:38] <ss23> Is there any way to determine why grub2 isn't using a UUID and is instead using a path? (e.g. using /dev/mapper/whatever). It's enabled in /etc/defaults/grub, and was working before some filesystem changes, so wanting some more verbose output etc
[11:39] <ss23> (or ideas)
[11:39] <hateball> ss23: and is that how it actually looks in your grub.cfg as well?
[11:39] <ss23> Uh, I am only talking about how it looks in my grub.cfg (I'm not sure what other place I would be looking)
[11:40] <ss23> fwiw grub-probe -t fs_uuid / seems to be succesful too
[11:42] <akkonrad> is it possible to add windows on external SSD disk (via USB) to my system? so it will available only when disk is plugged in? my current disks are like here: https://www.pastery.net/jjhujs/
[11:50] <Invader_Bork> what's the difference between the ubuntu mini image and ubuntu server?
[11:55] <Sbur3> I did a rsync to recover on my desktop the contents of a usb key. But I don't have permissions to the directory. How do I get permission?
[11:59] <MonoMonkey> hey guys, one quick question: how can it be that when I stand in / and I do "du -sh */", it reports /var has 70 GB but when i do "du -hd 1", it reports a size of 91 GB
[11:59] <MonoMonkey> strangely, all other folders have the same size in both methods
[11:59] <MonoMonkey> *directories, sorry :D
[12:03] <oerheks> du  -d, --max-depth=Nprint the total for a directory (or file, with --all) only if it is   N   or  fewer  levels  below  the  command  line  argument;  --max-depth=0 is the same as --summarize
[12:04] <oerheks> so depth 1 should be logically smaller??
[12:07] <MonoMonkey> I'm not really sure why it should be smaller... because basically, according to "--max-depth=0 is the same as --summarize" it should be exactly the same. With my first command I do --summarize, but for each folder in the current directory. With the second, I do du for the current directory I'm standing in, but only summarize on each found folder with depth of 1
[12:17] <geirha> parts of /var probably has other filesystems, so the discrepancy comes from whether those other filesystems are included in the count or not
[12:18] <geirha> try  du -haxd1 /  and du -haxd1 /var
[12:23]  * Wick3d_M1cky needs help w/ spcific problem in bash...error msg trying to update a repository that doesnt exist from where i installed skype from a .deb file...
[12:24] <Wick3d_M1cky> anyone think you could help me out of that pickle?
[12:26] <hateball> !paste | Wick3d_M1cky
[12:28] <anchnk> hi I am having some trouble to fetch some repo through apt update. I am behind a corporate proxy and I am passing through CNTLM. My configuration is correct and some repo works well but for some reason iot can't fetch ubuntu/dists/xenial-updates/main/dep11/icons-64x64.tar (and in the respository it seems that the package is icons-64x64.tar.gz) anyone get that kind of trouble ?
[12:29] <Wick3d_M1cky> appolgies, didnt intend to flood or anything, im just starting to use this non GUI old school IRC, one moment
[12:29] <Wick3d_M1cky> anchnk:that sounds similar to an error im getting and about to ask about
[12:30] <boxrick> Anyone familiar with Ubuntu networking ?
[12:30] <oerheks> Wick3d_M1cky, hateball says please paste the error of that skype update please
[12:30] <oerheks> - please
[12:34] <multifractal> I would like to get some kind of surface laptop/tablet hybrid to substitue my Dell M3800 laptop for travelling. Things like Samsung Notebook 9 pro and Microsoft Surfacebook i7 have great reviews, but sounds like Ubuntu support is sketchy. I would only buy something I can reliably use Ubuntu on - any recommendations?
[12:34] <oerheks> multifractal, xps13 or 15 are certified machines.
[12:36] <anchnk> Wick3d_M1cky if you have DEP-11 erros like I had here's a workaround https://askubuntu.com/questions/823329/how-do-i-disable-fetching-of-dep-11-files
[12:36] <anchnk> I don't use any graphical package manager so purging appstream solved it for me
[12:38] <multifractal> oerheks: and that includes support for touchscreen, stylus and everything?
[12:38] <Wick3d_M1cky> ok, here is a link to ss http://i.imgur.com/8z5wFrx.png my problem is at the bottom
[12:39] <Wick3d_M1cky> i cant seem to pull up the manual for the specific command it mentions, but i have tried several apt commands to try and get rid of it
[12:39] <oerheks> stylus? maybe there is one..
[12:40] <radeonfail> hey guys I have xubuntu 16.04.2 installed with a radeon 5570 gpu. I am using the open source radeon driver as indicated by dmesg | egrep 'drm|radeon'. I get one thin horizontal line across screen when I play video or any games like hl1/hl2. Any ideas?
[12:40] <sary> So skype changed their GPG key , is there a new key! Wick3d_M1cky
[12:40] <oerheks> and what skype is this, Wick3d_M1cky ?? 4.7 is dead, 5 is supported IIRC
[12:41] <sary> radeonfail: you get that on within the built-in screen or on am external monitor!
[12:42] <multifractal> oerheks: well i'm not interested in fancy gestures and stuff. I mainly want a flippable 2-in-1 so that I can read journal articles on the train and possibly annotate them with stylus. So finger scrolling is just about enough for me. The touchscreen on my current Dell works well enough, so I guess it should be OK on xps13 2-in-1 also.
[12:42] <sary> s/am/an*
[12:42] <Wick3d_M1cky> its a beta version, and was first thing i installed that wasnt in repository, i may have installed wrong somehow adding a key or something. installed teamviewer from a .deb file last night no probs w/ it
[12:42] <oerheks> multifractal, i would choose non-touchscreen, but that is personal.
[12:43] <radeonfail> sary, I get it on my monitor connected to my pc
[12:43] <Wick3d_M1cky> quick uninstall for skype command and i could download new version after that hopefully solves my update issue???
[12:43] <multifractal> oerheks: I don't have much use for touchscreen either, but as I say I just want some rudimentary e-book capabilities for travelling, and I want it to be lighter than my current laptop. Thanks I'll probably go for the xps13 2in1.
[12:43] <sary> radeonfail: care to share the monitor's model , also is it connected through HDMI!
[12:44] <oerheks> Wick3d_M1cky, uninstall it, and grab the 5.4 deb ( repo & key package) from download.skype.com/
[12:44] <radeonfail> hp l1950 connected through standard VGA
[12:44] <Wick3d_M1cky> how would i do that? never uninstalled a non repository item?
[12:45] <oerheks> !ppapurge
[12:45] <oerheks> not sure what name to use, you could check that in 3th party software-sources
[12:45] <Wick3d_M1cky> thanks a ton, ill give that a whirl
[12:46] <oerheks> synaptic comes in handy too
[12:51] <radeonfail> sary, here is a paste dump of my gfx card
[12:51] <radeonfail> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25233136/
[12:56] <radeonfail> and information on monitor
[12:56] <radeonfail> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25233156/
[12:58] <radeonfail> I think its a vertical sync issue
[13:00] <radeonfail> 60hz should be enough on a lcd screen right
[13:01] <rocketeer99> yes
[13:01] <rocketeer99> 60hz is standard
[13:02] <radeonfail> hmm
[13:04] <radeonfail> I notice the one horizontal line only appears when there is motion
[13:04] <radeonfail> and its always in same spot
[13:04] <boxrick> CentOS will always take down a network and restart fresh, with a network stop / restart no matter how broken things are. Ubuntu ( specifically 16 ) will get into a right old tiz if there is something which is not quite right, the only resolution is a flush of the broken interface or a full reboot.  Is there any way to replicate the CentOS or full reboot handling, so a networking restart literally flushes and clears all
[13:04] <boxrick> interfaces before starting fresh?
[13:06] <radeonfail> is it a conflict with network manager?
[13:07] <sary> radeonfail: I was thinking of flushin'/reseting the setting on the monitor..
[13:08] <radeonfail> oh ok, I'm not sure which cmd to use for that
[13:08] <boxrick> Network manager doesn't exist on this system.
[13:08] <radeonfail> are you talking about on the monitor it self?
[13:08] <radeonfail> oh ok
[13:08] <boxrick> Its just the way Ubuntu 16 seems to handle networking. Its a reproducable problem.
[13:08] <sary> Well, are there few other option for motion ..!
[13:09] <radeonfail> sary, I'm all ears or eyes
[13:09] <sary> Yes , flushing the settings on the monitor from the menu..
[13:09] <radeonfail> sary, I've reset the settings from monitor
[13:10] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:10] <oerheks> sudo systemctl stop networking.service && sudo ip addr flush <interfacename> && sudo systemctl restart networking.service
[13:12] <droco> Hi all, I'm trying to play a file in vlc using terminal. The syntax for that is vlc "file1". But I want that file1 to be provided as an argument the vlc command. I have only one mp3 file in my directory.  I tried < ls | vlc >  but it doens
[13:12] <droco> it doens't work, the error i get is
[13:13] <droco> There is no error
[13:13] <droco> but it simply doesn't play the file.
[13:13] <sary> radeonfail: I can't think of anything else except sync mode options..
[13:14] <hateball> droco: you'd want to do something like "vlc $(ls)"
[13:15] <droco> thanks <hateball>. That did it. Can you explain why  ls | vlc is wrong?
[13:15] <BluesKaj> boxrick, using the interfaces file settings in place of NM?
[13:16] <boxrick> This is on a server, and yes using interfaces file. Network manager isn't even present.
[13:16] <hateball> droco: I dont know how to explain it properly
[13:16] <hateball> droco: but in bash you will want to use $(command) to use the result of something for something else
[13:17] <droco> thanks <hateball>.
[13:17] <BluesKaj> boxrick, and the problem ?
[13:18] <hateball> droco: however some programs allow for piping, I am not quite sure why it doesnt work with ls
[13:18] <oerheks> for commandline one needs to install vlc-bin # cvlc Downloads/*.mp3
[13:18] <fountainpen> I am having issue with installing wine in ubuntu 14.04
[13:18] <fountainpen> wine1.8 : Depends: wine1.8-i386 (= 1:1.8.0-0ubuntu1)
[13:18] <fountainpen> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[13:18] <fountainpen> ^^ this is what I keep on getting
 cool, thanks anyways.
 I'll check that out
[13:19] <boxrick> The problem is, a network stop locks up if the interfaces have been changed or something is not quite right. The only way to resolve it is to flush the interfaces which have been misconfigured.
[13:19] <boxrick> A network stop and start within something like CentOS will ignore the fact they are broken when taking down and a start will start everything from fresh
[13:20] <boxrick> The only way to get close to this in Ubuntu is a full reboot.
[13:20] <BluesKaj> boxrick, tried sudo dhclient after the interfaces file is changed?
[13:21] <oerheks> boxrick, so, you have no networkmanager and tried manually.. now fix it?
[13:22] <boxrick> I am not trying to fix it in this instance, I have broken it on purpose. My point is the way it deals with it
[13:22] <boxrick> I am trying to automate networking functionality, and a network restart should allow me to configure everything and restart
[13:23] <boxrick> Instead, I have to spend time inferring what to take up and bring down, its all messy.
[13:23] <oerheks> so you are here to rant..
[13:23] <boxrick> No
[13:23] <himom> hi
[13:23] <boxrick> I am here to try and figure out how I can basically replicate flush everything and start fresh
[13:23] <BluesKaj> perhaps  with sudo dhlient in a small startup script
[13:23] <boxrick> Without triggering a whole reboot
[13:23] <oerheks> sudo systemctl stop networking.service && sudo ip addr flush <interfacename> && sudo systemctl restart networking.service
[13:23] <BluesKaj> dhclient
[13:24] <himom> I get artifacts in 3D applications since I updated to 17.04. Is there any way to fix this?
[13:24] <boxrick> Lets assume I don't know the specific interface name since there are many, and they are changeable.
[13:24] <ikonia> then you'd use network-manager
[13:24] <ikonia> as that's what it's designed for
[13:25] <boxrick> And thats 'correct' within a server situation?
[13:25] <ikonia> yes
[13:25] <oerheks> sounds like you want us to do your homework.. sure you know the adaptername
[13:25] <boxrick> I do know the adapter name, I can find it out
[13:25] <boxrick> But when I am working with virtual interfaces changed by some config it becomes difficult to manage
[13:25] <boxrick> with 20-30 interfaces for example
[13:25] <ikonia> changed by "some config"
[13:26] <ikonia> I'm not sure I'm actually seeing your problem correctly
[13:26] <boxrick> Ansible, config files. Driving the network
[13:26] <oerheks> hmm you need landscape
[13:26] <boxrick> However, lets say an operator enters some garbage config
[13:26] <BluesKaj> now come the details
[13:26] <boxrick> He needs to fix it and restart everything
[13:27] <ikonia> boxrick: does he ?
[13:27] <boxrick> Well, depends on the situation doesn't it
[13:27] <boxrick> However, the point is. Network manager will possibly do what I need
[13:27] <boxrick> Without having to tell it which interfaces, I wish to flush or restart
[13:29] <himom> I remember when there used to be a lot of people talking on this channel, what happened?
[13:29] <ikonia> there is
[13:30] <himom> but not right now
[13:30] <donofrio> o.0
[13:30] <ikonia> there is
[13:30] <ikonia> 1500+
[13:30] <himom> only a few people talking, I remember when it was sometimes hard to read because of so many conversations
[13:31] <oerheks> still people manage to create problems, don't worry
[13:31] <donofrio> it's just ask question get answer enjoy life....well almost cause I'm Windows Subsystem for Linux user....
[13:32] <BluesKaj> this isn't chit chat channel, it's ubuntu support, himom
[13:32] <himom> what do you mean?
[13:32] <yorwos> in my firefox i visited a site once which asked me permission for notifications which i accepted. it seems im getting these notifications out of the blue without even visiting the site anymore , how can i uninstall this ? i cant find anything under plugins or elsewhre
[13:32] <donofrio> yah what BluesKaj  said
[13:32] <himom> BluesKaj: I know that, but I can't find the answer to my problem and there are only a few people that are engaged in the conversation so I was interested what changed since I last joined
[13:33] <donofrio> himom, just ask your question is all I believe....
[13:33] <himom> BluesKaj: except the fact that you know have to register to join it, was thinking that maybe that has something to do with it
[13:33] <radeonfail> sary I just found this, #Not giving standard mode: 1280x1024, 60Hz
[13:33] <radeonfail> thats the resolution Im on right now
[13:33] <BluesKaj> nothing has changed since I joined 12 yrs ago
[13:33] <BluesKaj> himom,^
[13:33] <himom> you didn't have to register earlier
[13:34] <oerheks> due to spammers, we were forced to mode +r not long ago
[13:34] <donofrio> himom, lots of channels use ident
[13:34] <himom> ok I see
[13:34] <BluesKaj> you have this chat confused with some other, himom
[13:35] <oerheks> !discuss
[13:35] <himom> BluesKaj: why do you think that?
[13:35] <himom> I had a question not about this channel's topic, but about the channel itself
[13:35] <himom> what is a better place to ask such question?
[13:35] <fountainpen> can I get some help with wine?
[13:35] <glitsj16> yorwos: go to the site in question, right-click --> view page info .. you can undo changes in the 'Permissions' section
[13:35] <himom> fountainpen: what is your problem?
[13:36] <yorwos> im on it glitsj16 thanx
[13:36] <fountainpen> himom: I am trying to install wine and I keep on getting this wine1.8 : Depends: wine1.8-i386 (= 1:1.8.0-0ubuntu1)
[13:36] <fountainpen> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[13:36] <fountainpen> I have added 32 bit architechture as well
[13:37] <himom> fountainpen: did you try to find that dependency and intall it?
[13:37] <fountainpen> yeah I did and it game me one more dependency
[13:37] <fountainpen> and I did it once and it gave me one more dependency
[13:38] <fountainpen> as well*
[13:38] <himom> fountainpen: hmm that is strage, are you installing from Ubuntu repo or wine repo?
[13:38] <fountainpen> himom: why isn't it automatically resolving dependencies?
[13:38] <fountainpen> himom: wine repo
[13:38] <oerheks> apt install -f
[13:39] <himom> oh yeah you should try that
[13:39] <oerheks> this 2nd run will do dependencies
[13:39] <fountainpen> sudo apt install -f wine1.8
[13:39] <fountainpen> like this??
[13:40] <himom> guys does anyone know why I started getting artifacts in 3D applications such as Blender after update to 17.04?
[13:40] <himom> fountainpen: just sudo apt install -f
[13:40] <himom> and how to fix it?
[13:40] <BluesKaj> sometimes sudo dpkg --configure -a, the sudo apt install -f will work
[13:40] <himom> I'm running radeon open source driver
[13:40] <oerheks> no, just 'apt install -f'
[13:41] <fountainpen> still same
[13:41] <himom> fountainpen: can you paste what it says?
[13:42] <fountainpen> ofc just a sec
[13:42] <radeonfail> ok so I fixed the issue in hl1 by turning off wait for vertical sync
[13:42] <radeonfail> and it seems to be fixed in vlc
[13:42] <radeonfail> playing video
[13:43] <fountainpen> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25233372/
[13:43] <radeonfail> thanks for the help. I knew it was a vertical sync issue in the back of my head
[13:44] <himom> fountainpen: if you do sudo apt install -f then it doesn't change anything?
[13:44] <fountainpen> himom: no nothing
[13:44] <fountainpen> let me give you that output as well
[13:45] <himom> fountainpen: then the only solution I know is to install the missing dependencies manually just like you started doing
[13:45] <fountainpen> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25233392/
[13:45] <fountainpen> oh dear :D
[13:46] <himom> this definitely shouldn't happen :O
[13:46] <fountainpen> I am a history student and someone told me earlier that computer does things automatically :D
[13:47] <himom> haha yeah one could think that it's their purpouse
[13:47] <fountainpen> I had the same issue with wine in past on a different machine but I don't remember how I corrected it
[13:47] <himom> there might be a better way to fix this problem, I just don't know any
[13:47] <fountainpen> some one from here helped me back then
[13:47] <fountainpen> yeah understandable
[13:48] <himom> if you are installing from ubuntu repo maybe you should try from wine repo or the other way around
[13:48] <himom> maybe that will change something
[13:49] <boxrick> So assuming I take the Network-Manager approach, does it support VLAN / BRIDGING / BOND properly?
[13:50] <himom> fountainpen: if you are installing wine-stable you can also try wine-staging instead, which is a version with some experimental features, maybe that one will not be broken
[13:50] <fountainpen> himom: ok I will try
[13:51] <loppy2> is there a gui-ssh client in the repos?
[13:51] <hateball> loppy2: putty
[13:51] <himom> fountainpen: you said you added wine's repo to your system to install from there?
[13:52] <fountainpen> himom: yep I did
[13:52] <himom> fountainpen: on wine's website it says to do this:
[13:52] <himom> sudo apt-get install --install-recommends winehq-stable
[13:52] <loppy2> nice i thought it was just windows lol thanks
[13:52] <himom> (https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu)
[13:52] <fountainpen> loppy2: no putty is available everywhere remmina is also nice
[13:53] <fountainpen> but I prefer terminal for both ssh and ftp
[13:53] <loppy2> what you think is more secure remmina or putty?
[13:53] <loppy2> and easiest lol
[13:53] <loppy2> i understand
[13:53] <fountainpen> himom: I did that as well and recieved same report
[13:54] <fountainpen> loppy2: easiest I think will be terminal :P
[13:54] <fountainpen> just do ssh ip
[13:56] <fountainpen> loppy2: you can create bash scripts as well for making your ssh experience more secure and automated
[13:56] <fountainpen> there are plenty of guides for doing that on askubuntu and other qa forums
[13:56] <loppy2> thanks
[13:57] <sary> fountainpen: maybe the source of the package conflict is the Wine repo, remove it from /etc/apt/sources.list , and install wine from ubuntu's repo.
[13:57] <fountainpen> ok
[13:57] <himom> I get artifacts, black textures and stuff doesn't update correctly in 3D apps and games. Not all of them, but some. Help!
[13:58] <fountainpen> himom: nice nick btw :D
[13:58] <himom> fountainpen: thank you :)
[14:01] <himom> I can't play games because of artifacts, help! What do I do? How to live?
[14:05] <befoceclick> has any of you tried to dual boot an GPD UMPC?
[14:10] <jamie_1> hey, im having some issues with my visual alerts. i have them turned on in accessibility but its not flashing the screen at all like it should be. Does anyone have any ideas or know what to look into the see why its not working or how to fix it
[14:16] <sary> himom: which ubuntu/kernel/xorg versions , Did you by any chance installed something that injects an overlay into 3d applications. Steam does this by default, fraps does this, so anything you may have installed, even things that "fix" older 3d games for use on newer hardware and widescreen does this!
[14:16] <anexit> any good reminder apps for ubuntu?
[14:16] <anexit> I use to use nudge but that was in the land of yore
[14:18] <sary> himom: you may want to try Oibaf's graphics drivers.. https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers
[14:20] <de-facto> anexit, how about evolution with caldav server synced (calendar)?
[14:23] <Bipul> I have wifi disconnection issue with "RTL8821AE 802.11ac PCIe Wireless Network Adapter" in my 16.04.2 LTS. Do anyone the solution?
[14:24] <himom> sary: I'm on Ubuntu 17.04, kernel 4.10.0-28, how do I check xorg version?
[14:24] <befoceclick> Bipul: show us your lsusb
[14:24] <anexit> de-facto: wasn't looking for a full email client
[14:24] <himom> sary: I'm pretty sure it's something that was installed. I think the problems started after I updated from 16.10 to 17.04 but I can't be 100% sure
[14:25] <anexit> just something I can put a date in and it pops up..
[14:25] <himom> sary: aren't oibaf's drivers default drivers for AMD cards on Ubuntu? lshw -c shows that my driver is called radeon
[14:26] <anexit> doug had a sweet one but he hasn't updated that in awhile
[14:26] <Bipul> befoceclick: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25233546/
[14:26] <oerheks> Bipul, didn't we advise you to build the driver yourself??
[14:27] <Bipul> I am sorry, i don't get you. How to do that ! i love to build my own driver
[14:27] <anexit> here we go, alarm clock works
[14:27] <anexit> sweet
[14:28] <befoceclick> Bipul: I dislike messing with oerheks answers but maybe check this one https://github.com/lwfinger/rtlwifi_new
[14:29] <sary> himom: X -version for xorg , Yes radeon is the free driver .
[14:30] <oerheks> Bipul, https://github.com/lwfinger/rtlwifi_new
[14:30] <oerheks> befoceclick, we know this issue :-D
[14:30] <himom> sary: X.Org X Server 1.19.3 Release Date: 2017-03-15 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: Linux 4.4.0-83-generic x86_64 Ubuntu
[14:31] <oerheks> but this is the 3rd time, he should have tried this.. else asking and answering is useless
[14:31] <befoceclick> ok I'm to seldom here
[14:31] <befoceclick> +e
[14:37] <himom> sary: is there anything that you know of that I could try?
[14:43] <n0rthlight> Whats the name of the terminal coming with Ubuntu?
[14:43] <himom> gnome terminal I think
[14:44] <fountainpen> n0rthlight: gnome term
[14:44] <n0rthlight> Thank you.
[14:44] <fountainpen> I wanted to play thief 3 and wine is giving such a pain :D
[14:44] <himom> still no luck? :/
[14:44] <fountainpen> nope :(
[14:44] <himom> did you remove wine repo and still same thing is happening?
[14:45] <fountainpen> yep I did and still the same
[14:45] <himom> you can build wine from source
[14:45] <himom> might not be what you want but that's something
[14:46] <himom> or try installing the dependencies manually
[14:46] <fountainpen> I am fine with building if that is the last resort
[14:47] <oerheks> have you checked thief 3 on wineHQ ?  https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=2603
[14:47] <himom> he has a problem with installing wine
[14:48] <oerheks> standard wine should work fine
[14:48] <spm_draget> Could it be that Ubuntu does not ship with 'mod_privileges' for apache?
[14:49] <oerheks> spm_draget, you might want to re-ask in #ubuntu-server too
[14:50] <spm_draget> Okay, thanks.
[14:52] <himom> what do to when I get artifacts in games and 3D apps? Something broke in my system but I don't know what
[14:53] <himom> some textures appear black for example
[14:54] <oerheks> What radeon card exactly, himom ?
[14:54] <himom> oerheks: radeon r7 250x, running on radeon driver
[14:54] <oerheks> and maybe it is just a dirty fan, if you get this problem when you use full power
[14:54] <jamie_1> hrm... it seems that my visual alerts do work for some instances but only if they are system notifications... like when you hit the backspace till there is not to backspace it puts a small alert which visual alerts do work... the biggest pain is i dont know when there are audio alerts so im having a hard time debugging the dam thing
[14:54] <oerheks> oh, pretty new
[14:54] <himom> everything was fine until I updated to Ubuntu 17.04
[14:55] <himom> no, I don't think it has anything to do with temperature, I tried different games.In Blender I can see things on the screen that are no longer there
[14:56] <himom> in Unity3D all textures and sprites are black unless I turn off compression
[14:56] <himom> some games have black textures or artifacts, some not
[14:58] <himom> maybe it's something wrong with mesa or something? I know it's a software problem and it happened suddenly
[15:03] <oerheks> this seems simular, himom https://askubuntu.com/questions/925799/artifacts-on-right-edge-of-screen but no solution
[15:05] <himom> oerheks: it is a little, but I have no such problems when I do normal stuff. Artifacts are only in 3D applications for me
[15:05] <oerheks> maybe this option works, DRI & TearFree  https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AMDGPU#Screen_artifacts_and_frequency_problem
[15:08] <himom> oerheks: my refresh rate is 60Hz, xrandr confirms that
[15:08] <jamie_1> is there a way to make all alerts visual... like if firefox pushes a alert or thunderbird...etc it flashes the screen?
[15:09] <jamie_1> i keep missing stuff because its not pushing to visual system alerts
[15:09] <nicomachus> jamie_1: push notifications should be doing that already, but it can depend on the DE.
[15:09] <jamie_1> gnome
[15:10] <doux> libreoffice Math Formula greyed out. Do I need libreoffice-math package?
[15:10] <fountainpen> jamie_1: it is very much possible I use such alerts with weechat but I am not sure how to do it with mozilla
[15:11] <ModFather> Hi All
[15:11] <jamie_1> fountainpen: i just want all alerts, im hearing impaired so sound alerts are a little redundant and useless XD
[15:11] <fountainpen> when is support for 14.04 ending btw?
[15:11] <himom> hi
[15:11] <doux> Insert -> Object -> Formula greyed out in LibreOffice.
[15:11] <nicomachus> jamie_1: System Settings -> Notifications and make sure you have "Notification Banners" toggled on and then scroll down and make sure Firefox is toggled on
[15:11] <nicomachus> doux: this is not libreoffice support
[15:11] <doux> nicomachus, ok, sorry.
[15:11] <ModFather> Is it possible to connect to an ubuntu server without open ports to a router? Like Teamviewer doing ?
[15:12] <nicomachus> doux: /join #libreoffice
[15:12] <doux> nicomachus, will do, thanks
[15:12] <ModFather> do you know any similar to teamviewer or any way i can connect to a server via ssh or something else ( Teamviewer style? i mean connection without open ports to firewall or portforwarding to a router ) ?
[15:12] <nicomachus> fountainpen: 14.04 is LTS, so 5 years. EOL will be April 2019
[15:12] <jamie_1> nicomachus: all of them are off
[15:12] <jamie_1> on... i meant on
[15:12] <jamie_1> :/
[15:13] <nicomachus> jamie_1: ok, now check Firefox settings and make sure push notifications are enabled. I'm sorry, I don't know firefox so I don't know where that would be.
[15:13] <fountainpen> nicomachus: I am using 14.04 on my machine from last 2 years what should I do after the support ends?
[15:13] <jamie_1> nicomachus: i used to work on it so i do its good
[15:13] <nicomachus> fountainpen: upgrade.
[15:13] <fountainpen> can I upgrade it?
[15:13] <fountainpen> how?
[15:14] <oerheks> look in sources > 'upgrades' for next lts
[15:14] <himom> do-release-upgrade
[15:14] <nicomachus> fountainpen: sudo do-release-upgrade
[15:14] <himom> it should upgrade to next LTS so 16.04
[15:14] <nicomachus> Yep. You could upgrade to 16.04 now, fountainpen
[15:14] <fountainpen> nice!
[15:14] <nicomachus> or wait until next April and upgrade to 18.04
[15:15] <oerheks> i would make a fresh usb with 16.04.2, and then hit the upgrade button
[15:15] <himom> 18.04 with gnome?!
[15:15] <himom> I mean will it have gnome?
[15:16] <nicomachus> 18.04 will have gnome by default, yes.
[15:16] <nacc> himom: ubuntu already has gnome. Do you mean will gnome be the default?
[15:16] <nacc> himom: and the answer, as nicomachus said, is yes.
[15:16] <nicomachus> sorry nacc :)
[15:16] <himom> yes that's what I meant :)
[15:16] <nacc> nicomachus: nothing to apologize for :)
[15:17] <himom> soo the main point of Ubuntu is usability
[15:17] <nicomachus> ....
[15:17] <nicomachus> the main point of ubuntu is to be an operating system.
[15:17] <fountainpen> :D
[15:17] <nacc> himom: "main point" ? what is your question?
[15:17] <himom> Ubuntu is an operation system
[15:17] <fountainpen> the main point of ubuntu is that it is free as in free stuff I like free stuff
[15:18] <himom> the main goal of Ubuntu it usability, so when they change the graphics environment I assume it won't help with that goal. It will confuse many people who are not very technical
[15:18] <shayr> and ubuntu is also very easy for linux first-timers
[15:18] <nacc> himom: that's not a question?
[15:18] <nicomachus> himom: that's pretty well been discussed since the announcement was made, I'm not sure if it's a good idea to clog up this channel with that discussion again.
[15:19] <fountainpen> shayr: yeah true but I think there are many now like debian mint etc and it really depends on person what they find "easy"
[15:19] <himom> maybe you are right
[15:19] <jamie_1> today is my fix all the issues on my computer XD just rebuilt part of the grub to get the mouse working on boot since it was not working at all... then had to do the headache of reinit the initramfs and regenerate the grub... there were probably easier ways to fix it but ehh... it works
[15:19] <fountainpen> I mean debian has been always here
[15:19] <shayr> fountainpen: ack
[15:19] <shayr> as for new versions, I am still with 14.04
[15:20] <fountainpen> I liked ubuntu because of side pane of unity
[15:20] <fountainpen> as a beginner :P
[15:20] <shayr> tried to upgrade to 16.04 and ruined all my stuff, luckily i did the upgrade on a snapshot
[15:20] <himom> man I hate that pane
[15:20] <himom> I got used to it eventually
[15:20] <fountainpen> himom: I see
[15:21] <nicomachus> fountainpen: you can emulate that pane in Gnome. Just use dash-to-dock extension and then have it span the whole screen width/height
[15:21] <fountainpen> nicomachus: that would be great
[15:22] <himom> Does anybody know what to do when you get artifacts in games and 3D applications and when you are sure it's a software problem on Ubuntu?
[15:22] <nicomachus> fountainpen: gnome with my setup: https://i.imgur.com/dCA0Bsj.png
[15:23] <himom> nicomachus: nice! looks just like unity by default
[15:23] <nicomachus> that was the goal.
[15:25] <boxrick> Some further digging it seems that network stop / start invokes ifup / ifdown -a. The docs seem to indicate these are done in order they are defined within the /etc/network/interfaces file, so assuming I have a bond defined and some eth interfaces which live under that bond. Is it going to cause issues if the ordering is incorrect?
[15:26] <boxrick> So a bond comes before the actual ETH interfaces for example?
[15:26] <boxrick> Which will cause it to sit and hang, or is that not likely a problem.
[15:26] <himom> boxrick: bond? James Bond?
[15:26] <boxrick> Terry Bond
[15:27] <boxrick> Linux Bond ( LACP ), link aggregration.
[15:27] <himom> Linux Bond that's a good name
[15:28] <boxrick> Yep certainly is
[15:28] <himom> I don't know the answer to your question but maybe you could test it yourself?
[15:29] <Smashcat> Hi, anyone know how to set up ssh to allow shared key logins in ubuntu?
[15:29] <Smashcat> Server is currently only allowing passwords
[15:30] <boxrick> I am doing exactly that. Cheers anyway
[15:31] <nicomachus> Smashcat: do you have physical access to the server? It's tough to set it up when you only have SSH acces.
[15:32] <nicomachus> Smashcat: regardless, here's a good guide: https://askubuntu.com/questions/46930/how-can-i-set-up-password-less-ssh-login
[15:33] <Smashcat> nicomachus: Only ssh access. I think public/private keys are disabled. It only allows password logins
[15:33] <Smashcat> nicomachus: Cheers, I have set up the keys etc, but it fails, just falls back to requesting a password. It's not a big deal really, just wanted to save some typing  :)
[15:34] <nicomachus> Smashcat: is this a droplet or your server or what?
[15:34] <Smashcat> My server. It's just an Ubuntu cloud server.
[15:39] <ftyninjas> anyone know how to check cve vulns using commandline
[15:40] <ftyninjas> rhel has yum security plug in, is there something like that for apt-get?
[15:41] <nicomachus> ftyninjas: you want to list specific CVEs on command or just see which available updates are security updates?
[15:41] <pavlos> Smashcat: https://debian-administration.org/article/530/SSH_with_authentication_key_instead_of_password
[15:41] <ftyninjas> nicomachus: both if you have a solution :)
[15:41] <ecv> is Ubuntu already at a mature enough state where upgrading to the immediately following major version won't break the system nor disrupt any of whatever its components' stability?
[15:42] <sary> himom: MY only suggestion would be to start with a clean slate , back up and do a fresh install .. and don't install staff you're don't need , most of what you need is loaded in the kernel. Which AMD GPU on this machine, maybe it's supported by amdgpu, and or amdgpu-pro!
[15:43] <nicomachus> ftyninjas: `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get changelog ntp` will show available security updates
[15:43] <nicomachus> listing specific CVEs... idk. There's something on github that looks promising but very much alpha stage.
[15:43] <himom> sary: my gpu is radeon r7 250x, I don't want to reinstall my OS, because if I wanted to do that every few months I would stick to Windows :). I only install things that I need, mostly
[15:43] <nicomachus> ftyninjas: or just use: https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/
[15:44] <nicomachus> I guess you could view in lynx if you really wanted.
[15:44] <Smashcat> pavlos: Thanks, I've actually done that. It seems that public/private key auth is disabled in ssh on that server though.
[15:44] <ftyninjas> autonomous system - no internet :)
[15:44] <Smashcat> pavlos: I'm just sticking to password logins for now :)
[15:45] <himom> sary: amdgpu-pro doesn't work on 17.04, doesn't work with kernel 4.10 and I don't think it works with my gpu at all because I tried it in the past and it gave me only a blank screen
[15:48] <himom> if I don't fix this problem and I will have to reinstall my OS I won't use Ubuntu anymore because it failed me :(
[15:50] <pavlos> Smashcat: can you set PubkeyAuthentication yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config ?
[15:53] <ecv> can I upgrade from 16.10 to 17.04 with confidence?
[15:53] <nacc> ecv: given that 16.10 is eol, you should upgrade asap
[15:54] <himom> I don't know, it most likely broke stuff for me
[15:56] <CDuv> Hello, how does Enigmail (add-on for Thunderbird that adds GPG support) uses my GPG key without knowing the passphrase? It uses gnome-keyring?
[15:56] <ecv> nacc: in the past every time I upgraded an Ubuntu install I ended up with a broken system, and a friend of mine too. That's why I want to make sure first. Else it's better to backup and install anew than to save time and frustrations
[15:56] <ecv> aw
[15:56] <himom> ecv: wow, it just happened to me
[15:56] <nacc> ecv: you can always do that, of course
[15:57] <himom> ecv: I didn't know it could happen. I'm not sure if the update did this for me, but I now have display errors in 3D apps
[15:58] <ecv> himom: in my limited experience many things can break and go wild. Sorry :(
[15:58] <nacc> himom: you understand that you are, particularly with the larger transitions going on in Ubuntu, asking for a less "stable" release when you go non-LTS. There are simply more changes.
[15:58] <nacc> himom: so if you want stability, stay on LTS for the 2+ years between them
[15:59] <himom> nacc: I see but if I don't find a way to fix this I won't be using Ubuntu anymore. I think I will just switch to Debian. Seems like a good distro
[16:01] <nacc> himom: that's of course always an option
[16:01] <EldonMcGuinness> Can one clone a HDD to a SSD and it run as is?
[16:02] <EldonMcGuinness> Or is there a diff that would require an actual reinstall
[16:04] <himom> nacc: argh I didn't switch from Windows to have to reinstall or change my OS all the time :(
[16:04] <nicomachus> EldonMcGuinness: theoretically it should work, but I would suggest installing from a USB to the second hard drive/SSD and just copying over /home
[16:04] <himom> why does everything have to be broken
[16:04] <nicomachus> Just to make sure there aren't filesystem or driver issues.
[16:04] <BluesKaj> EldonMcGuinness, idid that very thing a couple of yrs ago, from a WD HDD to a Samsung Evo 850 256GB SSD using dd
[16:04] <nicomachus> himom: user error.
[16:05] <ecv> I would think copying the whole disk image would work... but IDK if there might be problems or less optimization if using different sector sizes than what is optimal for sdd (if that is even the case, which IDK)
[16:06] <himom> nicomachus: there is no proof of that
[16:06] <nicomachus> k
[16:06] <himom> nicomachus: unless you can prove that I messed up, then I will admit that I did
[16:06] <nicomachus> himom: ubuntu doesn't "just break" on it's own.
[16:06] <nacc> himom: no one asked you to switch from windows
[16:06] <nacc> himom: and you opted into non-LTS which requires you to upgrade every 9 months
[16:08] <himom> nicomachus: the problem started around the time I did the update so it's either the update that caused it or I installed something during that time
[16:08] <himom> nicomachus: if we assume for a second that I didn't install anything that broke it then Ubuntu must have broken by itself
[16:08] <nicomachus> then your assumption is wrong.
[16:08] <nicomachus> himom: what broke?
[16:08] <nicomachus> please be specific.
[16:09] <himom> nicomachus: I said it's one of those options, I didn't say I was sure
[16:10] <himom> I get artifacts in 3D applications. In games, in Blender, in Unity3D. Some textures appear black. Sometimes the colors are messed up. In Blender I can see things on the screen that are no longer there
[16:10] <himom> it wasn't like that before
[16:10] <ecv> your gfx drivers changed?
[16:12] <himom> I'm using radeon driver, I didn't change the drivers
[16:13] <himom> nacc: that's a rude thing to say. It's my fault because I wanted a non LTS system that doesn't spy on me and doesn't have malicious features?
[16:13] <ecv> u might have different drivers installed altogether and ur Xorg configuration or whatnot is choosing the wrong one
[16:14] <nacc> himom: ... spy? malicious? FUD and ridiculous comments :)
[16:14] <nicomachus> himom: no Ubuntu release has malicious features or spies on you. That's ridiculous
[16:14] <himom> nacc: I'm talking about windows.
[16:14] <nacc> himom: you said you didn't want to have to update regularly
[16:14] <himom> nicomachus: talking about Windows
[16:14] <ecv> nacc: he means windows does have it
[16:14] <nacc> himom: that is unfortunately how non-LTS works
[16:14] <EldonMcGuinness> I'm doing some work for a low income school and trying to save a bit of money for them by avoiding the time needed for a reinstall/setup.
[16:15] <nicomachus> himom: then backup your home folder and install an LTS release.
[16:15] <himom> nacc: I want to update whenever I want and not get my OS broken
[16:15] <EldonMcGuinness> Keeping the home folder may be an option assuming a few things of course
[16:15] <himom> ecv: how can I test that?
[16:15] <EldonMcGuinness> @himom: stick with lts then, anything newer is not considered "stable"
[16:16] <nicomachus> himom: `sudo lshw -C video | pastebinit`
[16:17] <himom> EldonMcGuinness: that really sucks
[16:17] <fountainpen> nicomachus: nice!
[16:17] <fountainpen> I guess you are using weechat as well
[16:17] <nicomachus> fountainpen: irssi, but close enough.
[16:18] <himom> https://pastebin.com/CX469iap
[16:18] <nacc> himom: tbh, i've not had any issues, and you're not describing your issues in sufficient detail (or possibly filing bugs) in order for anyone to help, really
[16:18] <EldonMcGuinness> @himit is no different from when windows or Mac have preview oses
[16:18] <nacc> himom: that is, getting artifacts is a symptom. The underlying issue is presumably in a library or somewhere else, and ideally you'd see that in logs, etc.
[16:19] <EldonMcGuinness> Anything but an lts release is preview in a production environment
[16:19] <himom> nacc: how can I provice more evidence and describe my problem better?
[16:19] <nicomachus> EldonMcGuinness: not quite accurate, but I guess that description serves the purpose.
[16:20] <himom> nacc: here is the paste you asked for https://pastebin.com/CX469iap
[16:20] <nacc> himom: like I said, to really debug it, you'd need to provide logs (presumably) or something anyone can reproduce. Perhaps it's something specific to your hardware, for instance.
[16:20] <nacc> himom: that was nicomachus that asked for that
[16:20] <himom> nacc: sorry
[16:20] <himom> nicomachus: https://pastebin.com/CX469iap
[16:20] <nicomachus> himom: that just verifies that you are in fact using the radeon driver.
[16:20] <EldonMcGuinness> When you deal with many computers that is just how it works out mate. :-)
[16:20] <himom> nacc: what kind of logs can I show you?
[16:20] <himom> yeah I know :/
[16:21] <EldonMcGuinness> You can give the previous to latest version a go but you're still taking a chance.
[16:21] <nacc> himom: I'm not particularly a desktop 3d person. So probably not me, but in a bug. I'd suggest running blender or whatever from the command-line (possibly with verbose flags) and see if you get some logs
[16:21] <himom> maybe I could try removing the drivers and installing them again? maybe some library got removed or something?
[16:21] <nicomachus> himom: stick to nacc's suggestion about running blender from CLI with a verbose flag.
[16:22] <nicomachus> as far as we know right now, this could be a Blender issue and not even related to Ubuntu.
[16:23] <nacc> himom: you say you get it from a few different applications?
[16:23] <nacc> himom: it's probably in a common place, if so, but that makes it a bit harder to debug
[16:23] <himom> it's not only blender. As I said it happens in different 3D apps and games
[16:23] <nacc> himom: you could also look for EE in your x log
[16:23] <EldonMcGuinness> Well guess I'll give this dd a go and see how it fairs
[16:23] <EldonMcGuinness> Cheers
[16:23] <nacc> himom: that is, if it's a X rendering issue
[16:24] <himom> nacc: could you explain?
[16:25] <himom> I will give you one more details, maybe that will help w bit. In Unity3D all textures appear black until I disable compression on them.
[16:25] <rajivmars> hi all. just now i have run a game in wine but it was not close so i use the super key and then logout when i login agin my display resolution is changed. everything looks so big. why is this happening?
[16:26] <himom> and it happens in games too
[16:26] <nacc> himom: look in x log for errors, would be my first step. and then i'd run whatever program from the terminal with verbose flags and see if it indicates issues
[16:27] <oerheks> himom, did you try that dri and tearfree option in a xorg.conf?
[16:27] <nicomachus> rajivmars: sounds like the game changed display settings. A reboot should fix it or you can manually set the resolution from CLI
[16:28] <himom> oerheks: I didn't because it said it only happens with refresh rate about 120, mine is 60. Do you think I should try it anyway?
[16:29] <rajivmars> i have rebooted the computer but nothing happens. should turning off the laptop and then turn it on again fis the issue?
[16:30] <rajivmars> nicomachus: is there any command by using which the the resolution has automatically sets to best?
[16:30] <oerheks> himom, that is up to you.
[16:31] <oerheks> normally it would apply to intel, but the arch wiki is helpfull sometimes.
[16:32] <nicomachus> rajivmars: no, it's not that easy. You have to check for your display name and then use to xrandr to set it.
[16:32] <rajivmars> and how to use it?
[16:32] <oerheks> intel needs an extra "SNA" iirc
[16:32] <nicomachus> rajivmars: in a terminal, send `xrandr` and check the output. It will list available displays. Probably VGA1 or HDMI1 or something. Check to see what your display name is.
[16:33] <rajivmars> nicomachus, and then?
[16:33] <nicomachus> rajivmars: go ahead and paste that output to a paste.ubuntu.com and link here, please.
[16:33] <rajivmars> ok
[16:33] <himom> nacc: /var/log/Xorg.0.log doesn't show any errors, Blender verbose option doesn't either
[16:34] <nacc> himom: hrm, not sure -- you can file a bug, or see if one already exist
[16:36] <himom> this is what happens in Blender: https://prnt.sc/g3ygfq
[16:36] <rajivmars> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25234257/
[16:36] <nicomachus> rajivmars: this is a laptop?
[16:36] <rajivmars> yes
[16:37] <nicomachus> rajivmars: looks like you're at a decent resolution already. 1366x768. Pretty standard for most laptops
[16:37] <rajivmars> i have just set it
[16:37] <rajivmars> but how to set it by using randr?
[16:38] <oerheks> himom, what theme are you using?
[16:39] <rajivmars> nichomachus
[16:39] <nicomachus> well, in this case it would be `xrandr --output eDP --mode 1366x768 --rate 60`
[16:39] <rajivmars> ?
[16:39] <rajivmars> so its set after using this command?
[16:39] <nicomachus> where --mode is your desired resolution and --rate is your desired screen refresh rate.
[16:39] <himom> oerheks: what system theme? The default one in Ubuntu. I'm also using i3 window manager
[16:39] <nicomachus> yes, that sets it.
[16:39] <nicomachus> himom: seriously
[16:39] <rajivmars> and what is my screens best resolution?
[16:40] <nicomachus> you went this long without saying that you're using a non-default window manager???
[16:40] <rajivmars> is it 60 hz?
[16:40] <himom> ok sorry, but it never caused any problems and the issues are only in 3D applications
[16:40] <himom> and not even all of them
[16:40] <nicomachus> rajivmars: well, this lists 16384x16384, but I would stick to 1366x768. 60hz, yes.
[16:41] <himom> if you think i3 has anything to do with it I can check things in the default desktop
[16:42] <nicomachus> likely not, but the config options throw another wrench into debugging.
[16:42] <himom> also I forgot there are also some problems in VLC sometimes
[16:43] <himom> unity's and blender's outputs are useless, no errors
[16:45] <himom> is there a way to check if everything is installed correctly for gpu drivers to work?
[16:48] <himom> or maybe I can reinstall the driver somehow?
[16:51] <BluesKaj> himom, which gpu>
[16:51] <fsociety[00]dat> I need to see (show) .deb signature per package in the 'pool' directory. Is it possible?
[16:51] <BluesKaj> ?
[16:51] <himom> BluesKaj: radeon r7 250x with radeon driver
[17:00] <BluesKaj> himom, did you run, sudo ubuntu-drivers list to find the right driver?
[17:01] <himom> BluesKaj: it only shows one driver, something with intel
[17:01] <pankaj> Is their any good GUI debugger for assembly language program in ubuntu?
[17:02] <BluesKaj> himom, a hybrid gpu system?
[17:03] <oerheks> intel microcode i guess
[17:04] <himom> BluesKaj: no, my graphics cards is not built in, it's a standalone card
[17:05] <BluesKaj> himom, so the radeon has the correct driver
[17:07] <oerheks> himom, what theme are you using?
[17:07] <himom> oerheks: default Ubuntu theme and i3 window manager
[17:07] <himom> BluesKaj: yes and lswh -C confirms that
[17:07] <oerheks> oh right, i3.. should be told immediatly
[17:08] <himom> why? do you think it could be causing artifacts in 3d apps?
[17:08] <oerheks> could well be
[17:08] <himom> oh sorry then, didn't know
[17:08] <himom> I checked Xorg log and there were no errors there
[17:09] <himom> at least I didn't see any
[17:09] <oerheks> 16.04/i3 would be your choise then, i think ánd due to the lack of amdgpu-pro, the best option for i3
[17:10] <oerheks> 16.04 + hwe perhaps
[17:10] <himom> why is 16.04 better and how is it going to solve the problem?
[17:11] <himom> also I've been using 16.10 for a few months with i3 and the problems only started around the time I updated to 17.04
[17:11] <nicomachus> himom: 16.04 is LTS, so more stable. More development is put into it which makes packages more stable.
[17:12] <himom> nicomachus: I understand that. A fresh install of 17.04 could also make the issue disapear, but that's not how you fix an issue in my opinion. Could be done as a last resort
[17:12] <nicomachus> but it's also likely the easiest and most comprehensive fix.
[17:13] <nicomachus> backup /home, reinstall, restore /home, boom you're done.
[17:13] <himom> nicomachus: what about reinstalling the driver? could that be done?
[17:14] <himom> reinstalling the whole OS every time something goes wrong is not ideal
[17:14] <nicomachus> sure, but won't fix anything.
[17:14] <nicomachus> well you don't do it every time something goes wrong, you do it every time you screw something up badly enough that you don't know what it is you did exactly.
[17:14] <nicomachus> nuke and pave
[17:14] <oerheks> i am out of this issue, no advise possible.
[17:14] <himom> the things is I didn't do much, only instaleld some packages, that's it
[17:15] <nicomachus> well, you've gotten lots of advice for how to proceed. Nothing else we can do.
[17:16] <himom> sorry but the only advice that is left is to install a new OS or did I get it wrong?
[17:16] <himom> it's true that I've gotten a lot of advice and thank you for that, but none of them helped with my problem
[17:17] <noraatepernos> How would I check to see that ulimit was the bottleneck preventing connections from my node.js app?
[17:18] <Bashing-om> himom: I have just joined . What is the issue that you are dealing with - maybe I can help ?
[17:18] <himom> I'm desperate to fix it and I've been here for hours asking different people. I don't want to reinstall my OS, I need to know how to fix it in case it happens again
[17:19] <nicomachus> himom: in all the time you've spent denying that a reinstall is the best option, you could have already done it. twice.
[17:19] <himom> Bashing-om: Hi. I get artifacts in 3D apps such as Blender and Unity3D. It happens in games too. This is what it looks like in Blender: https://prnt.sc/g3ygfq
[17:20] <himom> nicomachus: I want to learn how to fix this issue. You really don't see that reainstalling the whole OS all the time something goes wrong is not the best way?
[17:21] <Bashing-om> himom: Graphic's driver issue ? But 1st I want to KnoW that the package manager is in a consistent state . Does ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' run clean ?
[17:22] <himom> Bashing-om: update runs clean, but in upgrade there are some packages that "have been kept back"
[17:22] <himom> Bashing-om: libboost-filesystem-dev libboost-locale-dev libboost-regex-dev libboost-thread-dev linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic linux-signed-generic linux-signed-image-generic
[17:23] <Bashing-om> holdsworth: That " held back" may be pertenent . Pastebin ' sudo apt upgrade ' and let's see what those are .
[17:24] <himom> Bashing-om: https://pastebin.com/HaPnABR2
[17:24] <Bashing-om> holdsworth: Sorry .. not watching tab completion .
[17:27] <Bashing-om> himom: K; I got a plan . now I want to know what the graphoc's hardware is ; pastebin - lspci -k|grep -iEA5 'vga|3d' .
[17:28] <himom> Bashing-om: radeon r7 250x is my gpu but I can still run the command
[17:29] <Bashing-om> himom: Do you know that the r7 250x is the only GPU in the system ?
[17:29] <himom> Bashing-om: https://pastebin.com/v5sCZpjA
[17:30] <himom> Bashing-om: yes it's the only GPU. There is no built in GPU and I only have one graphics card
[17:31] <himom> Bashing-om: no, there is a built in one too, but it's disabled in UEFI
[17:31] <Bashing-om> himom: K; gimme a bit to verify what driver "should" be in use .
[17:31] <pankaj> I tried to install some software via .bz2. But on the way it did not installed successfully. Unfortunately it generated a lot amount of file on mySystem and now I think I do not want to go further with it. Is their any way to delete all those nasty files or bring back ubuntu to previous state?
[17:32] <oerheks> sudo apt full-upgrade, maybe those packages solves anything
[17:32] <himom> Bashing-om: ok, I'm using radeon driver - the open source, default one on Ubuntu 17.04
[17:33] <himom> oerheks: I should do that?
[17:34] <nemo> pankaj: not too clear 'sactly what you did, but usually even a sudo make install by default should use /usr/local on linux
[17:34] <nemo> pankaj: so rm -rf of /usr/local is usually safe
[17:35] <nemo> pankaj: another popular place is /opt  also safe
[17:35] <nemo> pankaj: might help if you could tell us what package you installed
[17:35] <oerheks> the DKMS builds the driver against that new kernel again, so maybe it does.
[17:35] <nemo> personally I like to keep that junk under $HOME
[17:36] <pankaj> nemo: I cannot understand. But the first option you told does not sound anything appropriate.
[17:37] <Bashing-om> himom: I got to be away from the keyboard for a spell . I will return soonest that I can .
[17:37] <nemo> pankaj: my point is - most unofficial packages install to /usr/local and /opt -  you should look there to see if that's what this package you installed did
[17:37] <himom> Bashing-om: ok, thanks
[17:37] <nemo> pankaj: those places should have been empty since standard ubuntu doesn't put stuff there
[17:37] <pankaj> nemo: I tried to install 'insight' debugger.
[17:37] <nemo> pankaj: so removing everything under them should only remove your additional stuff
[17:37] <himom> oerheks: I assume I need to reboot after that?
[17:38] <pankaj> nemo: Do you mean that by running that command ubuntu will delete all files which does not relate to any useful installed software?
[17:38] <nemo> pankaj: also. make uninstall is usually a thing if people are polite
[17:38] <nemo> pankaj: I'm saying that however you choose to do it, erasing everything under /usr/local and /opt should be totally safe and not impact your ubuntu managed stuff
[17:38] <nemo> pankaj: whatever additional stuff you installed probably resides there
[17:39] <nemo> although I'd have to grab this package to see where it installs
[17:39] <nemo> pankaj: you can also try sudo make uninstall - would have to read the Makefile to see if they support that in a reasonable fashion
[17:39] <nemo> pankaj: /opt sometimes contains non-free software, but, eh, shouldn't hurt anything - just checked my /opt and had nothing I'd care if it got erased ☺
[17:40] <pankaj> nemo: OK. I noticed your point.
[17:40] <nemo> pankaj: (like, some packages fetch additional stuff that goes there. oracle for example)
[17:40] <nemo> pankaj: anyway. take a look in your /usr/local and see if that's where insight went
[17:40] <nemo> find /usr/local
[17:40] <nemo> should dump the tree
[17:41] <nemo> pankaj: this is a linuxism ofc, freebsd does things differently 😉
[17:42] <pankaj> nemo: I was trying to install 'insight' GUI debugger. I tried to install some of its previous incompatable version (which I was not aware about). So it went on and generated many files. At end it did not work out anyway. So, I wanted to delete all those wasteful generated file from my system.
[17:42] <mistralol> Where would I raise a bug against ubnutu for something like this? https://i.imgur.com/J8bNgsJ.png
[17:43] <mohmaya> hello; I've had a strange problem accessing nvidia's website using either browsers (chrome / firefox) or curl. However, I have no issues accessing the website from Windows on the same PC. I've asked this question before here, but I'm just lost about what the issue is, and am hoping someone can guide me. I don't have any proxy setup. When I try running curl for https://developer.nvidia.com, it hangs at "ALPN, offering http/1.1"
[17:43] <oerheks> we have a kernel update 2, brb
[17:43] <mohmaya> eventually, it exists with the following error(s) "* gnutls_handshake() failed: Error in the pull function.
[17:43] <mohmaya> * Closing connection 0
[17:43] <mohmaya> curl: (35) gnutls_handshake() failed: Error in the pull function.
[17:43] <himom> brb
[17:45] <nemo> pankaj: running a build of insight right now
[17:45] <pankaj> nemo: Do you?
[17:46] <nemo> dammit
[17:46] <nemo> pankaj: build of alpha failed due to silly reasons on their part
[17:47] <pankaj> nemo: Please tell me how can I install it.
[17:47] <someone_> Hi
[17:47] <nemo> hm. interesting.
[17:47] <someone_> I get this message after download any update, I don't know why ? "An error occurred while applying changes"
[17:48] <pankaj> nemo: I download insight 6.8-1. Hope it works.
[17:49] <nemo> pankaj: these build errors are rather odd
[17:49] <nemo> they seem incorrect
[17:50] <nemo> elf64-x86-64.c:2808:29: error: variable 'type2' set but not used [-Werror=unused-but-set-variable]
[17:50] <nemo> but type2 is being used. strange
[17:50] <pankaj> nemo: What?
[17:50] <someone_> Message title : "Failed to Apply Changes - Discover " | Body : "An error occurred while applying changes:"  | there are no details.
[17:51] <nemo> pankaj: oh, I was just trying to build insight to see where it put everything, and was running into some odd errors
[17:51] <pankaj> nemo: So, can you tell me please how can I install it on my system.
[17:52] <someone_> I'm using KUbuntu 16.04
[17:53] <someone_> ~anyone ?
[17:55] <madLyfe> any of you guys know of a way to turn lm-sensors data into a readable format, on my win box?
[17:56] <mohmaya> help! :)
[17:56] <nemo> pankaj: well, there's this guide here I found in a random search (was hoping for a ppa) http://www.dalfonso.co/2016/04/23/setting-insight-debugger-on-ubuntu-16-04-lts/
[17:57] <nemo> madLyfe: huh. output of /usr/bin/sensors is pretty readable for me, but know nothing about windows
[17:57] <pankaj> nemo: Yes, this was the first I followed. I didn't worked. On other hand my more then 250mb wasted.
[17:57] <nemo> pankaj: ah. all the dev packages eh
[17:57] <nemo> pankaj: well you can just uninstall the dev packages. nbd
[17:58] <nemo> pankaj: I'm surprised it didn't work tho
[17:58] <nemo> what failed?
[17:58] <pankaj> nemo: Ya
[17:58] <nemo> pankaj: although frankly if you're having trouble figuring out builds, the debugger might not be too helpful 😉
[17:59] <pankaj> nemo: I followed all steps. But all attempts to start it failed. I could not find it anywhere. What is its default name after being installed?
[17:59] <nemo> someone_: that error is not going to clear up much without the log - there should have hopefully been some more detailed text in the update manager?
[17:59] <nemo> someone_: if not, run update on command line -  sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:59] <nemo> and pastebin output of that
[17:59] <mohmaya> hello; I've had a strange problem accessing nvidia's website using either browsers (chrome / firefox) or curl. However, I have no issues accessing the website from Windows on the same PC. I've asked this question before here, but I'm just lost about what the issue is, and am hoping someone can guide me. I don't have any proxy setup. When I try running curl for https://developer.nvidia.com, it hangs at "ALPN, offering http/1.1; it eventually fails with
[17:59] <mohmaya> curl error 35: gnutls handshake failed..
[18:00] <nemo> pankaj: dunno, haven't built it yet
[18:00] <pankaj> nemo: Last time I upgraded by System was fkd up.
[18:00] <nemo> pankaj: my guess is "insight" 😉
[18:00] <pankaj> nemo: Pardon
[18:00] <nemo> pankaj: could run make install again and see where it put things
[18:00] <nemo> pankaj: maybe tee it to a log file this time
[18:01] <himom> mohmaya: did you try wget?
[18:01] <nemo> mohmaya: if the idiots at nvidia are failing at browser detection, you could use a spoof extension
[18:01] <pankaj> nemo: OK. I understood. I am trying again.
[18:01] <nemo> mohmaya: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/user-agent-switcher-firefox/
[18:01] <nemo> for example
[18:02] <nemo> mohmaya: set a windows user agent this time
[18:02] <himom> mohmaya: or you can also try Tor Browser
[18:02] <mohmaya> @himom: yep. wget resolves the IP, but gets stuck there..
[18:02] <nemo> himom: heh. even more crappy sites block tor ☹
[18:02] <mohmaya> nemo: will try the extension..
[18:02] <himom> mohmaya: nvidia doesn't
[18:02] <nemo> himom: the bot in our game dev channel uses tor by default, and like gets blocked ¼ of the time
[18:02] <nemo> oh good
[18:03] <nemo> mohmaya: why do you need nvidia website for linux btw?  drivers should be installable in distro mechanism...
[18:03] <himom> nemo: I only browse the internet throught tor
[18:04] <mohmaya> nemo: need to download & install the cuda drivers. wget isn't working..
[18:04] <someone_> Ok , thanks nemo
[18:05] <himom> mohmaya: check through Tor Browser
[18:05] <mohmaya> nemo: the browser agent spoof didn't work either; tried with Opera & IE.. :/
[18:05] <mohmaya> himom: will do that next
[18:05] <himom> mohmaya:what does whet say?
[18:05] <nicomachus> mohmaya: what's the issue here?
[18:05] <himom> wget
[18:06] <nicomachus> mohmaya: why are you trying to download drivers from the Nvidia site? You shouldn't need to do that.
[18:06] <nemo> mohmaya: huh. IE is surprising.
[18:06] <nemo> mohmaya: opera would not have surprised me ☺
[18:07] <mohmaya> himom: wget --> "HTTP request sent, awaiting response..."
[18:07] <mohmaya> nicomachus: need to access the developer site to get the CUDA & cudnn packages
[18:08] <mohmaya> nicomachus: issue is, I am not able to open / access nvidia's website(s). I am not behind a proxy, am able to access the site on the same PC / windows.
[18:09] <oerheks> mohmaya, really learn to read their website > sudo dpkg -i cuda-repo-ubuntu1604-8-0-local-ga2_8.0.61-1_amd64.deb` `sudo apt-get update` `sudo apt-get install cuda`
[18:09] <mohmaya> I've tried chrome & firefox, and based on nemo's suggestion, opera & IE (using useragent spoofer). No luck.
[18:09] <oerheks> https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-downloads
[18:09] <oerheks> https://developer.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/8.0/Prod2/local_installers/cuda-repo-ubuntu1604-8-0-local-ga2_8.0.61-1_amd64-deb
[18:10] <oerheks> now you are on your own :-D
[18:10] <nicomachus> mohmaya: what version of Ubuntu?
[18:10] <oerheks> 16.04 only
[18:10] <mohmaya> nicomachus: 16.04 LTS
[18:10] <nicomachus> mohmaya: which link are you using for wget?
[18:11] <nemo> hm. let me see if I can wget that link here
[18:11] <nemo> 'cause my cuda is way out of date anyway
[18:11] <mohmaya> oerheks: I've tried downloading & doing an offline install. But the package installer seems to get stuck at getting a pgpkey from nvidia's website; so I run into the same issue again..
[18:11] <nemo> yep. works just fine
[18:11] <mohmaya> nicomachus: using this link --> wget http://developer.download.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/repos/ubuntu1604/x86_64/cuda-repo-ubuntu1604_8.0.61-1_amd64.deb
[18:12] <nicomachus> mohmaya: `wget -c -4 https://developer.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/8.0/Prod2/local_installers/cuda-repo-ubuntu1604-8-0-local-ga2_8.0.61-1_amd64-deb`
[18:12] <mohmaya> nemo: I don't think it is a server issue; it must be an issue at my end. But its only happening with Nvidia's website, and its been driving me up the wall these past few days
[18:13] <nicomachus> mohmaya: it's a large file. 1.9gb
[18:13] <mohmaya> nicomachus: trying;
[18:14] <mohmaya> what I don't understand is HOW it is possible for some system issue at my end to block a browser from accessing a website, when I don't have a proxy server, and am able to access any other website (say, AMD) without any issues
[18:15] <mohmaya> and I can access the website fine from Windows based browsers...
[18:15] <nicomachus> mohmaya: that's why I threw -4 on there. just in case it's a problem with ipv6 or something.
[18:15] <himom> maybe nvidia doesn't like linux ;)
[18:15] <mohmaya> nicomachus: so, when I used the same command to get the home page, I still don't get any response..
[18:15] <mohmaya> himom: sure :D
[18:16] <nicomachus> mohmaya: why would you try the home page
[18:16] <nemo> mohmaya: maybe your location has MitM software that is poorly configured 😉
[18:16] <nicomachus> that's pointless. just try the download link.
[18:16] <nicomachus> !fud | nemo
[18:16] <himom> what
[18:16] <nemo> nicomachus: eh. let's not exaggerate. was just a joke
[18:16] <nemo> thus the 😉
[18:17] <nemo> nicomachus: and he brought up proxies first
[18:17] <nicomachus> this is a support channel, not an open mic night.
[18:17] <himom> how is doubt a bad thing though?
[18:17] <mohmaya> nemo: fair point. I'm trying the download link. I was using curl / wget to the home page just to see if the issue was a browser based one or a ubuntu system one. Because I'm having the same issues with the browsers & curl / wget, Im assuming its a system issue..(?)
[18:18] <himom> mohmaya: it's a strange issue but it might work in Tor Browser
[18:18] <nicomachus> not likely.
[18:18] <mohmaya> downloading / trying now..
[18:18] <nemo> himom: heh. man will I feel vindicated if it *was* ISP filtering 😝
[18:18] <himom> please don't spread doubt nicomachus
[18:18] <nemo> nicomachus: just FYI I've had random WTFnes like that on work network that *was* MitM software
[18:19] <nemo> nicomachus: specifically their stupid deep package inspection firewall freaking out about some random sequence in the giant package or on the website
[18:19] <nemo> checkpoint
[18:19] <himom> nemo: could be but why did it work on windows? :D
[18:19] <mohmaya> nemo: haha! its not.. unless they are filtering only linux based browsers accessing nvidia.com ; which would be so bizzare & inexplicable
[18:19] <nemo> himom: different network config?  ☺
[18:19] <nemo> himom: wonder if he's using broadcom wifi tho - large files + linux... hm
[18:20] <nemo> mohmaya: hey. maybe switch to wired?
[18:20] <nemo> mohmaya: does it abort like halfway through the wget?
[18:20] <mohmaya> nemo: On ethernet
[18:20] <himom> I think Tor Browser has a chance to work necauser he won't connect directly to nvidia
[18:20] <nicomachus> nemo: wiifi chipset shouldn't make a difference unless it's the dreaded rtl8188
[18:20] <nemo> y
[18:21] <nicomachus> himom: a million websites block tor exit nodes, and downloading a 1.9gb file over TOR could take days.
[18:21] <himom> nicomachus: nvidia doesn't, I use tor every day to browse internet, it doesn't take me days to download files
[18:21] <mohmaya> nicomachus: at least it would tell me the issue is browser..
[18:21] <mohmaya> if the tor browser works
[18:22] <nicomachus> ok, clearly y'all don't need me here. I'll just go back to reading.
[18:22] <himom> tor browser uses windows as user agent btw
[18:22] <mohmaya> nicomachus: hey, thanks for the input!! Really appreciate the advice. I've been going nuts trying to figure this out..
[18:28] <mohmaya> so, wget terminates with an error message saying "unable to establish SSL connection"
[18:29] <himom> wget -c 4?
[18:29] <himom> that nicomachus suggested?
[18:29] <mohmaya> if I use the wget -d option, it seems to be getting stuck at "initiating SSL handshake"
[18:29] <mohmaya> himom: yep. wget -c -4
[18:30] <mohmaya> here's the command: ~$ wget -c -4 https://developer.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/8.0/Prod2/local_installers/cuda-repo-ubuntu1604-8-0-local-ga2_8.0.61-1_amd64-deb
[18:30] <mohmaya> trying the -d option in a separate terminal
[18:37] <nicomachus> mohmaya: change `https` to `http`
[18:37] <nicomachus> no need for SSL on that anyway
[18:39] <mohmaya> nicomacus: tried that. wget gets redirected to https with a 301 error
[18:39] <himom> mohmaya: how is the progress?
[18:39] <mohmaya> no progress.. :/
[18:40] <himom> did you try anything new?
[18:40] <mohmaya> nvidia's server forces https even if I try http
[18:40] <mohmaya> now trying the tor browser..
[18:40] <himom> in wget you can provide a user agent
[18:40] <mohmaya> and if that works..then, damn!
[18:40] <himom> you could provide a windows useragent in wget just to try
[18:41] <himom> I would be really surprised if tor browser didn't work
[18:41] <himom> this issue is weird enough now
[18:41] <nicomachus> mohmaya: 301 is a bad web address. please verify the web address you're using and make sure it's correct.
[18:41] <Bashing-om> himom: I am back . Any progress on your artifacts issue ?
[18:41] <mohmaya> himom: will try providing a different useragent in wget..
[18:42] <himom> Bashing-om: no, unfortunately. I only tried installing the packages that weld "held back" by the package manager but that didn't change anything
[18:42] <mohmaya> nicomachus: here's the wget output. I don't think the url is incorrect; just, http gets redirected to https --> ---response begin---
[18:42] <mohmaya> HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
[18:42] <mohmaya> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2017 18:38:11 GMT
[18:42] <mohmaya> Location: https://developer.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/8.0/Prod2/local_installers/cuda-repo-ubuntu1604-8-0-local-ga2_8.0.61-1_amd64-deb
[18:42] <mohmaya> Server: ECD (nag/99B4)
[18:42] <mohmaya> Content-Length: 0
[18:43] <tomreyn> mohmaya: use a pastebin
[18:43] <tomreyn> !paste | mohmaya
[18:44] <sary> himom: you'll have to excuse me , i have no further suggestions at the moment.
[18:44] <himom> Bashing-om: *packages that were "held back".
[18:44] <himom> sary: ok thanks for your help anyway!
[18:45] <sary> You're welcome. np!
[18:45] <Bashing-om> himom: Good deal to complete the held back stuff . We do want the amdgpu driver for that card . So, what is installed ? ' sudo lshw -C display ' lsmod | grep radeon ; lsmod | grep amdgpu ' .
[18:45] <nicomachus> Bashing-om: he has radeon installed
[18:45] <himom> Bashing-om: the installed one is radeon, I already checked that
[18:46] <mohmaya> tomreyn, ubottu: apologies.
[18:46] <nicomachus> Bashing-om: https://pastebin.com/CX469iap
[18:46] <himom> thanks for the link
[18:47] <tomreyn> mohmaya: can you paste a 'curl --trace-ascii' against the httpS download location on the pastebin
[18:48] <tomreyn> mohmaya: so that's: curl --trace-ascii /tmp/trace https://developer.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/8.0/Prod2/local_installers/cuda-repo-ubuntu1604-8-0-local-ga2_8.0.61-1_amd64-deb
[18:48] <tomreyn> mohmaya: then: pastebinit /tmp/trace
[18:49] <Bashing-om> himom: nicomachus We want the AMDgpu driver : https://theleftcoastgeek.net/index.php/categories/12-possible-amdgpu-pro-supported-gpus-by-the-end . So the question is how do we install amdgpu in place of radeon ?
[18:50] <mohmaya> tomreyn: doing it... One sec..
[18:50] <himom> Bashing-om: admgpu-pro only works on Ubuntu 16.04 and doesn't work with kernel 4.10 (according to their website)
[18:50] <oerheks> Bashing-om, himom's paste earlier showed raden + amdgpu..
[18:50] <oerheks> *radeon
[18:51] <tomreyn> mohmaya: add '--location' to the curl command
[18:51] <oerheks> not the pro, not supported yet
[18:51] <himom> Bashing-om: what do you want me to paste?
[18:51] <nicomachus> tomreyn: probably unnecessary, but why use /tmp/trace instead of just piping to pastebinit?
[18:51] <himom> Bashing-om: sorry wrong person
[18:51] <himom> oerheks: what do you want me to paste?
[18:51] <tomreyn> nicomachus: there could be other output to stdout / stderr
[18:52] <sary> Bashing-om: with xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu present , with kernel 4.8. and above set the kernel parameter modprobe.blacklist=radeon and
[18:52] <himom> oerheks: ok nvm
[18:52] <sary> Bashing-om and  amdgpu.si_support=1
[18:52] <himom> oerheks: but you are right lshw -C shows radeon, but lsusb shows amdgpu as well whatever that means
[18:52] <himom> oerheks: *lspci
[18:52] <mohmaya> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25234837/
[18:53] <Bashing-om> sary: :) I am all for the learning experience here .
[18:53] <Amm0n> mohmaya, "wget -r your link" is working here
[18:53] <sary> Bashing-om: Me too :) it's always good to see you.
[18:53] <nicomachus> Amm0n: yes, it works for everyone but him
[18:54] <sary> what part or the worild is mohmaya in..!
[18:54] <mohmaya> Amm0n: as nicomachus said; yep. I seem to have found some strange combination of issues..
[18:54] <mohmaya> sary: India
[18:55] <nicomachus> hmm... lemme try to proxy through India
[18:55] <sary> I figured , you're obviously blocked by Nvidia for a reason then, i would reported to them!
[18:56] <tomreyn> mohmaya: whats the command you ran there?
[18:56] <mohmaya> nicomachus: I tried; proxying through EU. No luck..
[18:56] <mohmaya> tomreyn: for the pastebin? the one that you pasted in the channel
[18:56] <tomreyn> mohmaya: what you posted to the pastebin does not seem to be the contents of /tmp/trace
[18:56] <tomreyn> mohmaya: i posted multiple commands into the channel, that's why i'm asking ;)
[18:56] <mohmaya> tomreyn:  curl --trace-ascii /tmp/trace https://developer.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/8.0/Prod2/local_installers/cuda-repo-ubuntu1604-8-0-local-ga2_8.0.61-1_amd64-deb
[18:57] <tomreyn> mohmaya: actually you did fine, sorry
[18:58] <mohmaya> tomreyn: no worries. Thanks for your help! :)
[18:58] <himom> mohmaya: any luck with tor?
[18:58] <mohmaya> himom: its still loading the relay information
[18:59] <psychoticwarrior> dida dia
[19:00] <Amm0n> mohmaya, is your system up to date? did you mess with /etc/ssl recently?
[19:00] <himom> mohmaya: try restarting it, it shouldn't be taking that long
[19:01] <mohmaya> Amm0n: Its a vanilla install of ubuntu 16.04 LTS; did the apt-get update. That's it. Ryzen 5 1600; GTX 1070.
[19:01] <mohmaya> himom: restarting..
[19:01] <psychoticwarrior> try apt dist-upgrade
[19:01] <tomreyn> mohmaya: can you put this on a pastebin: dpkg -l '*curl*' '*gnutls*' | grep ^i
[19:01] <himom> Bashing-om: is there anything else I can try?
[19:01] <nicomachus> mohmaya: just fyi, no issue here through an indian proxy. same curl trace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25234893/
[19:01] <psychoticwarrior> see if you can get an update
[19:01] <tomreyn> mohmaya: also what does 'lsb_release -sd' return?
[19:02] <mohmaya> tomreyn: Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[19:03] <psychoticwarrior> apt dist-upgradde
[19:03] <psychoticwarrior> apt dist-upgrade
[19:03] <nicomachus> psychoticwarrior: that is not the recommended way to upgrade anymore.
[19:03] <nacc> nicomachus: dist-upgrade = full-upgrade (for apt)
[19:04] <mohmaya> psychoticwarrior: doing the update..its mostly updating xorg & gnome
[19:04] <CHVNX> apt-get dist-upgrade or apt full-upgrade
[19:04] <CHVNX> Either or.
[19:04] <himom> mohmaya: tor browser isn't working for you?
[19:04] <nicomachus> nacc: apt dist-upgrade is a release upgrade isn't it?
[19:05] <nacc> CHVNX: right, and apt also understands dist-upgrade (for backwards-compat)
[19:05] <nacc> nicomachus: nope
[19:05] <mohmaya> himom: was just about to update you.. no luck. Tor browser is working, but the nvidia site isn't loading
[19:05] <nacc> nicomachus: it just allows apt to remove packages
[19:05] <psychoticwarrior> either one apt dist-upgrade
[19:05] <nacc> nicomachus: same as dist-upgrade does for apt-get
[19:05] <CHVNX> dist-upgrade will pull in kernal upgrades, but from your apt sources not new ones
[19:05] <himom> mohmaya: whaaaat? is any other site loading?
[19:05] <psychoticwarrior> or apt full-upgrade
[19:05] <nicomachus> nacc: "Debian based systems can also be upgraded by using apt dist-upgrade. However, using do-release-upgrade is recommended because it has the ability to handle system configuration changes sometimes needed between releases."
[19:05] <nacc> nicomachus: where are you reading that?
[19:05] <mohmaya> himom: checking google.com & amd.com ;
[19:05] <nicomachus> nacc: better tell someone there to update the wiki :)
[19:05] <nicomachus> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html
[19:06] <nacc> nicomachus: yes You *can* use it, but only by changing sources.list
[19:06] <nacc> nicomachus: by default it doesn't do that
[19:06] <CHVNX> If you want to upgrade to a new release, edit your apt.sources list and do an apt-get dist-upgrade or apt full-upgrade.  Literally that simple. Anyone saying otherwise is lying.
[19:06] <nacc> CHVNX: no, that is not recommended.
[19:07] <nacc> CHVNX: use do-release-upgrade to change releases
[19:07] <himom> guys he is having a problem with a website that doesn't work on linux but works on windows
[19:07] <CHVNX> No.
[19:07] <nacc> nicomachus: the only difference (anymore) between upgrade and dist-upgrade/full-upgrade is the latter is allowed to remove packages
[19:07] <himom> not with system update
[19:07] <psychoticwarrior> agreed edit /etc/sources.list
[19:07] <psychoticwarrior> once you do that
[19:07] <psychoticwarrior> run apt clean
[19:07] <psychoticwarrior> apt update
[19:07] <nicomachus> CHVNX: just saying, I would trust nacc 100% of you.
[19:07] <psychoticwarrior> apt upgrade
[19:07] <mohmaya> himom: looks like I am unable to load any websites on the tor browser.. am I doing it wrong? I just need to type in the URL right?
[19:07] <nicomachus> s/of/over/
[19:08] <himom> mohmaya: yes, try restarting it, maybe it didn't connect to tor network?
[19:08] <mohmaya> himom: trying..
[19:08] <nacc> nicomachus: agreed server guide needs a bit of love there, I don't think it should even mention dist-upgrade :)
[19:08] <CHVNX> nicomachus: Waste your time, sure. Go ahead. I gave explicit instructions that work without flaw. Saying that my instructions doesn't solve the problem is a lie. saying that it literally doesnt get the job done without error is a lie. Just remember that.
[19:08] <himom> mohmaya: where did you download it from?
[19:08] <nacc> CHVNX: there are cases it won't work in, that do-release-upgrade will. You can choose to ignore that if you want.
[19:09] <mohmaya> himom: the tor foundation website
[19:09] <mohmaya> nicomachus: thanks for that info on the proxy. Will try a VPN if nothing else works..
[19:09] <CHVNX> nacc: the only way it wouldn't work is if you are using third-party repositories.  That is ****not**** recommended.
[19:10] <nicomachus> CHVNX: just stop. you aren't going to win an argument with nacc here.
[19:10] <CHVNX> If 100% of your packages come from the Ubuntu repos, then my instructions work. Period.
[19:10] <nacc> CHVNX: no, that is incorrect. There are cases where apt itself changes between releases. do-release-upgrade handles that case correctly.
[19:10] <CHVNX> If you hack your system and install weird libs and deps, it's not my fault if you bork your system
[19:10] <himom> mohmaya: maybe tor is blocked in india?
[19:11] <nicomachus> mohmaya: I know you want to fix the issue, but can you just download the .deb package from windows, save to USB, and transfer to Ubuntu?
[19:11] <nicomachus> save a lot of headaches.
[19:11] <himom> then he won't know what's wrong
[19:11] <nicomachus> Or ask nicely and someone might re-host a mirror for you
[19:11] <mohmaya> himom:  I don't think so. I remember trying it a while back, and it could work..
[19:11] <fsociety[00]dat> Hi all; I downloaded 'debian-9.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso' file and I want to get information about the packages' signatures ( KEY ID for example ). My start point is 'pool' directory and I want to do this for all packages then import the results if possible. (sorry for asking again)
[19:12] <tomreyn> fsociety[00]dat: what's the name of this channel?
[19:12] <CHVNX> fsociety[00]dat: ask #debian or ##linux
[19:12] <himom> mohmaya: you can also try installing torsocks, then do: torsocks wget http://url
[19:12] <mohmaya> nicomachus: haha! well., I tried that. I got stuck with an issue that I think is similar to the one reported here: https://superuser.com/questions/854926/ubuntu-fails-to-install-cuda-toolkit . Except, I don't have a proxy setup!
[19:12] <himom> mohmaya: that will proxy wget through tor
[19:13] <fsociety[00]dat> CHVNX, thanks. tomreyn read it writes on top.
[19:13] <tomreyn> fsociety[00]dat: actually if your question is about uubntu then i apologize
[19:13] <Bashing-om> himom: "is there anything else I can try?" -> still looking to insure you have the amdgpu driver available - and what your current status is .
[19:13] <himom> Bashing-om: how can I do that?
[19:14] <mohmaya> nicomachus: the direct .deb install didn't work; because I think the script still tries to access the nvidia site for a key..
[19:14] <Peyam> Hi, running Xubuntu 16.04. Kernel just got updated to 4.8.0.89 but the default one is still 4.8.0-36. Why is that?
[19:15] <mohmaya> nicomachus: and I don't understand enough of the details to figure out how to fix that issue either :/
[19:15] <himom> mohmaya: try using their IP instead of domain name: 216.228.121.209
[19:15] <Bashing-om> himom: What shows ' lsmod | grep radeon ; lsmod | grep amdgpu ' ?
[19:16] <himom> Bashing-om: https://pastebin.com/yyvKQjM6
[19:16] <tomreyn> Peyam: neither of these kernels is default or current for xenial, i think
[19:16] <tomreyn> Peyam: maybe yours is from a third party repository?
[19:17] <Peyam> tomreyn, no! they are from the default repo
[19:17] <himom> mohmaya: does the IP work?
[19:17] <nacc> !info linux-image-generic-hwe xenial
[19:18] <mohmaya> himom: so, got the tor browser working. other sites are loading; nvidia isn't..:8 :O
[19:18] <nacc> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04 xenial
[19:18] <himom> mohmaya: wtf?!
[19:18] <nacc> Peyam: tomreyn --^
[19:19] <tomreyn> nacc: i see 4.10 there, not 4.8 ?
[19:19] <mohmaya> himom: am restarting the browser again..
[19:19] <nacc> tomreyn: yep, i'm agreeing with you :)
[19:19] <tomreyn> ok ;)
[19:19] <himom> mohmaya: is there are error when the page doesn't load in tor browser?
[19:19] <mohmaya> himom: now, its working
[19:19] <nacc> tomreyn: oddly hwe-16.04-edge is behind hwe-16.04, but I don't think most people are running -edge
[19:19] <kostkon> Peyam, uname -a?
[19:20] <himom> mohmaya: and to make sure you are connecting to the same site I do, it's http://www.nvidia.com right?
[19:20] <Peyam> kostkon, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25234974/
[19:20] <tomreyn> nacc: yes it's been for some weeks now, it's weird, hopefully those who have hwe-edge installed also have -hwe installed
[19:20] <mohmaya> himom: yep. Its the same website. Its working on the tor browser now\
[19:21] <tomreyn> Peyam: that's a pretty old kernel you run there
[19:21] <mohmaya> just need to figure out how to use tor via wget now..
[19:21] <tomreyn> Peyam: definitely not current
[19:21] <himom> mohmaya: cool! install torsocks
[19:21] <Peyam> tomreyn, Just running the software update and it do the job
[19:21] <Bashing-om> himom: checking but looks to me like radeon is loaded, but amdgpu is available .
[19:21] <himom> mohmaya: when you do just type: torsocks wget
[19:21] <himom> mohmaya: if that doesn't work: torsocks -i wget
[19:21] <kostkon> Peyam, and now you've got 4.8.0.89?
[19:22] <tomreyn> Peyam: come back if after installing all updates and rebooting you still run a 4.8 kernel.
[19:22] <Peyam> kostkon, it installed 89 yes
[19:22] <mohmaya> himom: trying that; it seems to be getting stuck at resolving the url..
[19:22] <himom> Bashing-om: hmm. Do you have an AMD card too? if so is the result the same for you?
[19:22] <Peyam> tomreyn, I just updated the system :)
[19:23] <kostkon> Peyam, so what was your question in the first place?
[19:23] <Peyam> tomreyn, I don't wana update it manually. I let the updater do it
[19:23] <tomreyn> Peyam: are you saying you have completed all upgrades, have rebooted, and still run a 4.8 kernel?
[19:23] <himom> mohmaya: try: torsocks -i wget  if doesn't work retry a few times
[19:23] <Peyam> kostkon, Why it installs kernel 89 that is not default now. My system stil using 36
[19:23] <himom> mohmaya: -i makes it try different nodes each time
[19:23] <Peyam> tomreyn, yes. thats why Im here :D
[19:23] <ducasse> Peyam: which mirror are you using?
[19:24] <tomreyn> Peyam: okay, so i misunderstood you, thought you said you are currentlyinstalling pending updates.
[19:24] <Peyam> kostkon, tomreyn it s not a big deal . just wondering.
[19:24] <mohmaya> himom: got it.
[19:24] <tomreyn> Peyam: to me it would be a big deal, this kernel is half a year old and probbaly no longer safe to run.
[19:25] <Bashing-om> himom: No I recently switched from ATI card to Nvidia .
[19:25] <himom> Bashing-om: hehe. Is there a way to reinstall the radeon driver? maybe that would help?
[19:25] <kostkon> Peyam, since you are on xubuntu 16.04.1 installation you've got the option to install the latest hwe since I'm guessing it's not going to installed automatically in your case
[19:25] <kostkon> a*
[19:26] <Peyam> ksot it is actually 16.04.2
[19:26] <nacc> kostkon: Peyam: to be clear, 4.8 implies (probably) a manual install of some pacakge and no autoremoval
[19:26] <Peyam> tomreyn, I dont know if I dare do it manually since I'm working on some thesis stuff
[19:26] <nacc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Kernel.2FSupport.A16.04.x_Ubuntu_Kernel_Support
[19:26] <tomreyn> Peyam: please put this on a pastebin: sudo apt-get update; echo [19:26] <nacc> at this point (well, soon, as the updates propogate) we should only see 4.4 and 4.10 on 16.04.*
[19:26] <kostkon> Peyam, we are on 16.04.3 now. 16.04.2 installations got automatically updated to 16.04.3.
[19:27] <Peyam> kostkon, ohh I didnt know that
[19:27] <Peyam> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25235008/
[19:28] <oerheks> sudo apt update && sudo apt install -f && sudo apt full-upgrade
[19:29] <tomreyn> Peyam: what you pasted is just the output of the last of the commands i posted
[19:29] <Peyam> oerheks, what would that do? any harms?
[19:29] <Peyam> åhh sorry
[19:29] <nicomachus> Peyam: no that's just an upgrade
[19:29] <dckx> hello guys. Does anyone know of a channel that gathers people with interest in internet and privacy?
[19:29] <kostkon> !alis | dckx
[19:30] <himom> mohmaya: is it downloading through tor?
[19:30] <dckx> thanks kostkon
[19:30] <oerheks> update = fresh lists, install -f is fixing dependencies that might have occured as you have no newer kernel, and full-upgrade gives latest kernel & packages
[19:30] <Peyam> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25235017/  sudo apt-cache policy : http://paste.ubuntu.com/25235019/ echo [19:31] <mohmaya> himom: yes! so its a start. But I'm thinking I'll setup a system VPN through some other location so that I can work around this issue
[19:31] <mohmaya> himom: thank you!
[19:31] <oerheks> Peyam, why don't you copy the command too?
[19:31] <oerheks> silly pasting, that is
[19:32] <Peyam> oerheks, I m running your commands :)
[19:32] <Peyam> I will restart and will be back in a minut
[19:32] <tomreyn> hehe, i made him pastebin [19:32] <himom> mohmaya: no problem, I'm glad it works! The issue is still unsolved but at least you have a way to get around it
[19:34] <Peyam> now Just restarted
[19:34] <tomreyn> Peyam: you didn't post the output of the first command i provided: sudo apt-get update
[19:35] <Peyam> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25235047/
[19:35] <tomreyn> Peyam: it's sufficient if you'll just post the output of oerheks' commands, though
[19:35] <Peyam> oerheks, would you please write them again? :) so I can rerun them :)
[19:36] <oerheks> what kernel are you on now? uname -a
[19:36] <oerheks> sudo apt update && sudo apt install -f && sudo apt full-upgrade
[19:36] <Peyam> I got a conky. it say 4.8.0.36 - generic.
[19:37] <Peyam> oerheks, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25235053/
[19:37] <Peyam> oerheks, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25235056/
[19:38] <kostkon> Peyam, uname -a gives 4.8.0.36?
[19:38] <nicomachus> "I got a conky".... what?
[19:39] <Peyam> kostkon, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25235064/
[19:39] <oerheks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta-hwe/+bug/1708312
[19:39] <oerheks> hmmmmmm
[19:39] <Peyam> nicomachus, http://i.imgur.com/ACsh6rv.png
[19:39] <kostkon> Peyam, Feb 5 2017. Right. Why not go for the latest hwe and be done with it?
[19:40] <Peyam> kostkon, if it is harmless so why not
[19:40] <Bashing-om> himom: Still considering a "best" way forward . what retutms ' dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu ' As I am convinced you want to be running the amdgpu driver .
[19:41] <himom> Bashing-om: ii  xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu    1.3.0-0ubuntu1      amd64               X.Org X server -- AMDGPU display driver
[19:41] <himom> Bashing-om: why is amd gpu driver a better option? Radeon driver worked well earlier
[19:42] <kostkon> Peyam, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Ubuntu_16.04_LTS_-_Xenial_Xerus
[19:42] <Bashing-om> himom: So it is for sure available . now we just need to switch from radeon to the amdgpu driver :)// The correct driver for the card is why we want amdgpu as the driver .
[19:42] <Peyam> rolling release? kostkon I dont know about that
[19:43] <kostkon> Peyam, well 16.04.2 and on are rolling releases when it comes to the kernel and the graphical stack
[19:44] <Peyam> kostkon,let do it then
[19:44] <Bashing-om> himom: In addition: that card might even have the support of the proprietary overlay -PRO .
[19:44] <himom> Bashing-om: ok :) but I still don't understand. How can amdgpu be correct? Since I installed Ubuntu there were no problems with radeon drivers until this point. Why it's correct and radeon driver isn't?
[19:45] <Bashing-om> himom: Above my skill set to know the why .
[19:45] <himom> Bashing-om: amdgpu-pro doesn't work on 17.04 with kernel 4.10 according to amd website. I even tried it in the past on 16.04 and possibly even 16.10 and it only gave me blank screen
[19:45] <Peyam> gotta reboot
[19:46] <Bashing-om> himom: How old is that ^ info ? AMD is very hard at work improving and providing to us the results of thier work .
[19:46] <himom> Bashing-om: I'm only asking what makes you think amdgpu is correct and the other one isn't
[19:46] <himom> Bashing-om: I checked it today on their website. I will send you a link in a sec
[19:48] <Bashing-om> himom: I trust this blog: http://theleftcoastgeek.net/index.php/categories/12-possible-amdgpu-pro-supported-gpus-by-the-end .
[19:48] <himom> Bashing-om: https://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDGPU-PRO-Driver-for-Linux-Release-Notes.aspx
[19:49] <Bashing-om> himom: reading . Also gentoo says amdgpu : https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/AMDGPU .
[19:49] <himom> Bashing-om: I tried that driver in the past just after the support for flgx ended and it didn't work
[19:50] <himom> Bashing-om: I tried amdgpu-pro, but if there is another driver from amd that might work I can try it
[19:51] <Peyam> updated . thanks guys :)
[19:51] <himom> Bashing-om: do you know how to install amgdpu?
[19:51] <kostkon> Peyam, uname -a gives you 4.10 now
[19:51] <Peyam> yes :)
[19:51] <kostkon> Peyam, you're set
[19:52] <Peyam> kostkon, thanks brother
[19:52] <kostkon> Peyam, np
[19:53] <Bashing-om> himom: Right off hand I do not know how to install the amdgpu-PRO . But it is an overlay over amdgpu . will have to have the amdgpu driver installed 1st . And yes ! the AMD site confirms that card supports amdgpu-PRO .
[19:54] <himom> Bashing-om: I see but my system doesn't support amdgpu-pro though
[19:56] <Bashing-om> himom: Why do you day that yoour system does not support it ? You have all the support files installed for andgpu . What I do not understand is why the radeon driver is active at this time .
[19:57] <tomreyn> i concur, amdgpu-pro does not work with 4.10+
[19:57] <tomreyn> (not yet)
[19:57] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: :( but presently amdgpu ??
[19:58] <himom> Bashing-om: radeon driver is the default driver on Ubuntu now. I know that amdgpu-pro doesn't work with my system, because I read the release notes that I sent you the link to :)
[19:59] <tomreyn> Bashing-om: amdgpu should work, yes. surely with padoka's or oibaf'sppa
[19:59] <himom> Bashing-om: I also have some personal experience with that driver. I tried it on two different versions of Ubuntu and it didn't work a few months ago
[19:59] <tomreyn> Bashing-om: also it's sad how amd misunderstands the ubuntu verisoning scheme: https://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDGPU-PRO-Driver-Compatibility-Advisory-with-Ubuntu-16.04.2-and-16.04.3.aspx
[20:00] <himom> tomreyn: what do you mean they don't understand it?
[20:00] <tomreyn> himom: there's not going to be an ubuntu 17.20 or 17.30 release
[20:00] <nacc> tomreyn: i think that's the amdgpu-pro version
[20:01] <nacc> tomreyn: but not clear at all from their writing :)
[20:01] <tomreyn> oops, touché
[20:01] <nacc> tomreyn: it just ahppens that 17.10 is also an ubuntu version :)
[20:01] <himom> :D
[20:01] <tomreyn> you're perfectly right, and i'm ashamed of myself
[20:01] <himom> no need, happens to the best
[20:02] <himom> I think I joined this channel 6-7 hours ago and I still haven't found a solution
[20:03] <tomreyn> himom: to what?
[20:03] <Bashing-om> himom: All AMD advises in in regaurd to the -PRO driver not functioning properly with the later kernels . I personally do not know of issues with amdgpu - that is the recommended driver for your card .
[20:03] <himom> tomreyn: I get artifacts in 3D applications including Blender, Unity3D and games
[20:03] <tomreyn> himom: which hardware is that again?
[20:04] <nicomachus> himom: you've been given solutions. You ignored them. and waited 4-5 hours before mentioning that you're using a non-default WM with a default DE
[20:04] <himom> Bashing-om: I don't see amdgpu anywhere on their website. Where to download it? I don't think it's available anywhere
[20:04] <himom> tomreyn: radeon r7 250x
[20:04] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: himom :: running the radeon driver - when should have amdgpu as active .
[20:04] <nacc> himom: amdgpu is part of the xserver and kernel
[20:05] <nacc> himom: you don't need to download it
[20:05] <Bashing-om> himom: The amdgpu driver is in the kernel, and you DO have it available on your system .
[20:06] <himom> nicomachus: I tried different solutions. Which ones did I ignore? Please tell me, maybe I missed something? Also please tell me what does the fact that I have i3 installed have to do anything with artifacts in 3D applications and if you want I can go to the default desktop and test there if you think it is i3's fault
[20:06] <himom> ok I see
[20:07] <himom> so having both radeon driver and amgdpu is normal then?
[20:07] <ducasse> himom: if you are using i3, are you using a compositor?
[20:07] <himom> ducasse: yes I'm using compton
[20:07] <ducasse> himom: ah.
[20:08] <himom> ducasse: do you think compton can be causing this?
[20:08] <ducasse> himom: try xcompmgr for example, this is a known problem. read the i3 docs, it doesn't support compositors.
[20:08] <nicomachus> LOL
[20:08] <himom> ducasse: wow really?!
[20:08] <ducasse> really
[20:09] <himom> ok well I will turn off compton reboot and come back here, then test everything
[20:09] <himom> brb
[20:10] <Bashing-om> nacc: Glad to have your input here :https://pastebin.com/yyvKQjM6 for himom . Says that radeon is active and amdgpu is available but inactive, Yes ? and the amdgpu module is installed .
[20:13] <himom> ducasse: compton is off now, it didn't change anything unfortunately
[20:14] <himom> I just tested Blender and Unity3D, the issue is still there
[20:14] <himom> I can try without i3 too if you think it might change anything
[20:15] <himom> I will do that right now, brb
[20:15] <ducasse> himom: you could try running xcompmgr, but it is clearly stated in the i3 docs that compositors are unsupported and problematic
[20:15] <ducasse> gone
[20:19] <glitsj16> ducasse: I haven't got first-hand experoence with i3/compton, but the arch wiki advises using compton with i3 to prevent tearing and flickering issues --> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/I3#Tearing .. confusing
[20:19] <himom> so still the same
[20:19] <himom> without i3 and without compton it's all the same
[20:20] <glitsj16> himom: what do you have in your compton.conf for 'backend'?
[20:20] <ducasse> glitsj16: i3 developers advise you actually fix your driver for those issues, it's a common topic in #i3
[20:20] <himom> nicomachus: I would like you to respond to my question. You accused me of ignoring people's suggestions, but you didn't say which one I ignored. Unless you mean the suggestion when you told me to reinstall my OS. That one I will ignore because it's not really a solution
[20:21] <himom> glitsj16: I have a default config, didn't change anything since I installed it. I also turned compton off just now and nothing changed
[20:21] <glitsj16> ducasse: i see, documentation seems to differ from place to place, but I trust #i3 to know what they're doing
[20:22] <himom> what else can I try?
[20:22] <ducasse> glitsj16: several of the regulars are also the main devs, so i would think so
[20:23]  * Bashing-om trust ducasse to know what he (generic) is doing :)
[20:23] <ducasse> himom: i3 + xcompmgr?
[20:23] <himom> ducasse: I just tried on the default window menager and the artifacts still appear, so I don't think installing a new compositor for i3 will help?
[20:24] <glitsj16> himom: according to the arch wiki you need to set compton backend to xrender --> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Compton#Screen_artifacts.2Fscreenshot_issues_when_using_AMD.27s_Catalyst_driver .. just something you can try, nobody seems to have much else to go on
[20:24] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Still to be resolved is why himom is up on the radeon driver rather then the recommnded amdgpu driver .
[20:24] <nicomachus> he could also try the backup-home-and-reinstall that was suggested hours ago, but refuses to.
[20:24] <himom> glitsj16: but we just ruled out compton as a problem, didn't we?
[20:25] <himom> reinstall is not a solution!
[20:25] <himom> how does that help me learn what is wrong?
[20:25] <ducasse> himom: it was mostly to try another compositor, i haven't followed this from the start
[20:25] <glitsj16> himom: not sure we did, especially not when compton needs to be configured correctly for AMD
[20:27] <himom> ducasse, glitsj16: I have artifacts in 3D applications. It started recently and I don't know why. I just went on a default window manager and the issue was the same, I disabled compton nothing changed either. Doesn't that rule out both i3 and compton?
[20:27] <glitsj16> himom: as ducasse has made clear, maybe you need to confirm that with #i3
[20:28] <himom> so it's possible that even when I'm not using i3 it's affecting the way stuff is displayed?
[20:28] <ducasse> himom: i would *guess* it is a driver issue at this point, did it start after an update?
[20:28] <himom> ducasse: yes, it started around the time I updated from 16.10 to 17.04
[20:29] <glitsj16> himom: no that's not what I mean, if you do use i3 + compton, it looks like the wise thing to do is to configure compton to use the xrender backend, that's all i wanted to throw in
[20:29] <ducasse> himom: could be a driver regression in a later kernel/x.org
[20:29] <nicomachus> himom: which is why it was suggested that you reinstall with an LTS release....
[20:30] <ducasse> ^^
[20:30] <nicomachus> but, again, you don't think that's a solution so I'll just keep suggesting it.
[20:30] <himom> glitsj16: yes of course, if it only happened on i3 I would be glad to try that, but we just found out that when I'm not using i3 nor compton the issue remains
[20:30] <himom> thank you nicomachus, I don't know what I would do without you. I would never think that I can install another OS on my PC!
[20:30] <ducasse> himom: could you try a 16.04 live usb?
[20:31] <marahin> Hello! I'm on Ubuntu 17.04. I plugged my LifeCam HD 3000 into the PC, and well, it works just great with 1280x720 @ 30.0 fps for the first hour; every consecutive hour is a sloppy 7,51fps (said by guvcview) slideshow.
[20:31] <himom> ducasse: run it then update everything and then test if the issue is still there?
[20:31] <marahin> Does anyone have any idea what is going on? I tried both USB3.0 and USB2.0 with no difference.
[20:32] <nicomachus> himom: that's just dumb. It's not "another OS", it's a stable release of a the same OS. a stable release with more stable drivers, more stable packages, etc.
[20:32] <marahin> I tried turning off Exposure, Auto and White Balance TEmperature in Guvcview with no performance upgrade.
[20:32] <ducasse> himom: i mean see if the problem is present on a live usb
[20:33] <himom> nicomachus: yes another version of the same OS, or a different OS, or even reinstalling the same OS... that doesn't help me find out what is wrong and how to fix it in the future. I could keep installing OSes every time something bad happens, but I don't like that idea
[20:34] <himom> ducasse: it wasn't on 16.10 a month ago. If you are right and something did change, what will that tell us?
[20:34] <ducasse> himom: trying a different version of the same os *does* help you narrow down what the problem is, as you can try different kernel/x.org versions
[20:35] <nicomachus> himom: i'm done trying to help you. I've given you my advice. follow it or don't, I don't really care.
[20:35] <himom> ducasse: yes, of course and I agree. nicomachus wasn't suggesting that though. He suggested that I ditch the current OS and install LTS version or reinstall the current version
[20:37] <ducasse> himom: my best suggestion at this point is a 16.04 (not 16.04.3) liveusb, then go from there
[20:37] <himom> nicomachus: thanks for helping and sorry that I'm not going to use your advice. I would like to fix my OS and not install a new one from scratch. You keep suggesting the same solution and you said that I ignored people's suggestions, which is not true. I only ignored this one, because as I said it doesn't help me find out what's wrong
[20:37] <himom> ducasse: so 16.04 and if it works try a newer one?
[20:37] <nicomachus> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[20:38] <ducasse> himom: right
[20:38] <ducasse> himom: if it works, try 16.04 + hwe stack
[20:39] <ducasse> himom: another option is to try the driver ppas (oibaf's etc) to see if a later driver fixes it, but i'm not familiar with them
[20:40] <himom> ducasse: I see. What is hwe stack? To install oibaf's drivers I would have to remove current ones I assume?
[20:40] <ducasse> !hwe | himom
[20:41] <bipul> HI i just need a help, I am trying to install vm via command line. And am getting his error message. https://pastebin.com/GWYFV9Gh
[20:41] <himom> ducasse: thanks, I will try that!
[20:41] <ducasse> himom: the drivers would be installed over your current ones
[20:41] <himom> ducasse: great!
[20:41] <tomreyn> himom: for now just ignore what i said about padoka + oibaf, try hwe, it will most likely provide what you are looking for, and you won't leave the supported area
[20:42] <nicomachus> bipul: what command did you run to get that?
[20:42] <Ben64> bipul: Could not open the medium '/home/bipul/VirtualBox VMs/ubuntu-server.vdi'.
[20:42] <Ben64> seems like the main issue
[20:43] <nicomachus> perhaps the space in the filename?
[20:43] <Ben64> unlikely. file probably just isn't there
[20:43] <pavlos> bipul: line 3, you mv ubuntu-server.vdi somewhere else
[20:43] <himom> tomreyn, ducasse I will check if oibaf's drivers work then if they don't I will try with live usb, do you think that makes sense too?
[20:43] <ducasse> himom: i would try liveusb first, tbh
[20:43] <Sbur3> How do I recover permissions to a directory of mine?
[20:44] <Ben64> Sbur3: definte "recover permissions"
[20:44] <Ben64> define*
[20:44] <himom> ducasse: I will do that then
[20:44] <tomreyn> himom: did you read what i just said / wrote to you?
[20:45] <himom> tomreyn: you want me to try Ubuntu LTS with hwe?
[20:45] <tomreyn> himom: that's what i'd recommend, yes
[20:45] <Sbur3> Ben64: EriC^^After a rsync that EriC^^ sugggested to me on my usb key to copy it on my desktop, I get "Permission denied" when I try to access the dicrectory on my desktop
[20:45] <tomreyn> himom: don't you have 16.04 LTS now?
[20:45] <himom> tomreyn: I will check 16.04 and then hwe
[20:46] <himom> tomreyn: I'm on 17.04
[20:46] <bipul> pavlos: Yes, because when you install VM , you found that all this  file $ ls
[20:46] <bipul> Logs  vbox  vbox-prev .vdi found in the directory which has the same name as VM name
[20:46] <bipul> so  i moved it to there
[20:46] <Ben64> Sbur3: probably "sudo chown $USER:$USER -R directory"
[20:46] <tomreyn> himom: oh okay, i must have forgotten that. but if you want stability and things to work reliably, unless oyu have very recent hardware, your best bet is almost always just LTS.
[20:47] <himom> thanks for help everyone, I'm gonna try that now and come back later
[20:47] <Ben64> Sbur3: make sure not to type anything else there or you could break things
[20:47] <ducasse> himom: hwe will now have the same kernel/x as 17.04, which is why i think you should try 16.04.1 first
[20:47] <himom> tomreyn: I will stick to non lTS for now, but if it gets annoying I will consider switching  in the future
[20:48] <Sbur3> Ben64: When you say $USER, do you mean replace USER by my username?
[20:48] <himom> ducasse: ok, try 16.04.1 then install hwe on it?
[20:48] <nicomachus> yes
[20:48] <nicomachus> Sbur3: yes
[20:48] <Ben64> Sbur3: yes, but you could also literally type $USER and it'd fill it in
[20:48] <Ben64> try it out by doing "echo $USER" on the command line, should print your username
[20:49] <tomreyn> ducasse: why 16.04.*1* ?!
[20:49] <himom> my kernel is 4.10.0-30 btw
[20:49] <ducasse> himom: you can't install new kernels on a liveusb, you would need to try 16.04.1 first, then 16.04.3
[20:49] <Sbur3> Ben64: I have seen that the directory '(or more accurately, the subdirectorie) are assigend to root
[20:49] <himom> oooh didn't know that
[20:50] <Ben64> Sbur3: yeah that can happen if you copy as root
[20:50] <ducasse> himom: 16.04.1 is 16.04 with it's original kernel/x.org, no hwe
[20:50] <himom> gonna do that now
[20:50] <himom> thanks for help everyone, will be back later to tell you the results
[20:50] <tomreyn> ducasse: i see what you mean
[20:53] <vutral> where do i specify a vnc password for Xvnc
[20:53] <vutral> lightdm doesnt have an option
[20:53] <ducasse> tomreyn: if 16.10 worked and 17.04 doesn't, it makes sense to try 16.04 both with and without the 17.04 hwe stack imho
[20:54] <Sbur3> EriC^^: Ben64 I have a question.  I have access to the rsync'd directory on my desktop, but there is, apparently, nothing in the subdirectories.  Is there another way to recover the content of the subdirectories of the USB key that will avoid redoing the main directory of the USB key?
[20:56] <tomreyn> ducasse: i agree
[20:57] <tomreyn> ducasse: i just hadn't looked at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Support?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Ubuntu+Kernel+Support+Schedule.svg yet.
[20:57] <pavlos> bipul: seems you do the right steps ... https://nakkaya.com/2012/08/30/create-manage-virtualBox-vms-from-the-command-line/
[20:58] <bipul> pavlos: well, i have taken a help from it. But i have gone with the offical document also
[20:59] <tomreyn> vutral: have you tried this? https://askubuntu.com/questions/506580/how-to-configure-a-password-for-lightdm-vnc-connection
[21:07] <DerRaiden> hi folks i've little problem using samba under ubuntu 16.04. if i add shares to the samba config and restart smbd and nmbd i cannout connect to the shares, but if i use net usershare add i can connect t them
[21:08] <DerRaiden> i use samba 4.3.11
[21:15] <mike_papa> Is /run/user/$(id -u)/ correct place for ipc sockets created by applications started by user?
[21:16] <DerRaiden> .
[21:17] <alekz> why /etc/sudoers MUST be edited with 'sudo visudo'? (According to the file itslef)
[21:19] <tgm4883> alekz: because if you break the sudoers file it's bad
[21:19] <ducasse> alekz: it doesn't need to, but visudo checks for errors
[21:19] <tgm4883> "visudo edits the sudoers file in a safe fashion, analogous to vipw(8). visudo locks the sudoers file against multiple simultaneous edits, provides basic sanity checks, and checks for parse errors. If the sudoers file is currently being edited you will receive a message to try again later."
[21:20] <alekz> great
[21:20] <alekz> then I cant write a normal bash script and edit it using sed or ex, right?
[21:20] <tgm4883> alekz: well you could, but if you break it then you'll need to boot to recovery to fix it
[21:21] <alekz> what do you mean by "break it"?
[21:21] <tgm4883> alekz: syntax errors, etc
[21:22] <fiber> ^ this will inevitably happen
[21:22] <alekz> ok, but that shouldn't be a problem, since I've edited million times from visudo, but for the first time I'm working in this script
[21:22] <alekz> thanks
[21:22] <tgm4883> famous last words
[21:22] <alekz> I don't get some stuff about this distro
[21:22] <alekz> the MUST work shouldn't be there, then
[21:22] <alekz> do you agree?
[21:23] <tgm4883> alekz: um, how is that distro specific?
[21:25] <tomreyn> so hopefully this was a rhetorical question
[21:26] <ducasse> either that, or he suddenly needed recovery mode ;)
[21:27] <tomreyn> :)
[21:28]  * peterrooney thinks alekz will be back
[21:33] <nicomachus> did himom ever come back?
[21:39] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Have not re-seen himon to this time :)
[21:40] <kostkon> nicomachus, nickserv says he/she was last seen 49 minutes ago
[21:43] <jnewt> what do i need to do so that when i plug in a usb drive, i can then browse it from my file manager without going to the command line and manually mounting it?  using mate desktop, caja file manager
[21:45] <tomreyn> jnewt: do you have Settings -> Removable drives and media on your graphical Desktops' menu?
[21:48] <jnewt> tomreyn, not that I see.
[21:49] <glitsj16> jnewt: might be under System > Details
[21:49] <tomreyn> jnewt: sorry, what i pointed you to is thunar (XFCE) specific.
[21:49] <jnewt> glitsj16, I have System, but don't have System > Details
[21:50] <glitsj16> i would have expected MATE to automount USB drives by default
[21:50] <jnewt> preferences, administration, control center, about and help
[21:51] <jnewt> preferences & administration are just subsections of control center from what I see.  idk why they even have them separate
[21:52] <jnewt> glitsj16, I expected it to be somewhat easy as a daily driver (ie not a whole lot of cli stuff necessary), that hasn't really been the case.
[21:53] <glitsj16> jnewt: heard nice things about MATE but never tried it, my switching-DE-every-week phase is over
[21:54] <jnewt> I like having the power of the command line, but don't prefer it like some people do.  I would like to avoid it for daily tasks
[21:58] <pavlos> bipul: I used your code and made a VM ... no errors
[21:59] <pavlos> bipul: I cannot get the rdesktop to work but that's another topic
[22:01] <tomreyn> pavlos: he also asked in #vbox at the same time he asked here, and got help there.
[22:02] <pavlos> tomreyn: ok, thx
[22:04] <bipul> pavlos: Anyway i have foud where i am doing mistake.
[22:04] <CoffeeMonster> I've just installed Ubuntu 17.04 64-bit desktop on my 10yo desktop. However, I cannot seem to get internet access through either wired (Marvell Yukon 88E8801 Gigabit) or wireless (some USB dongle). /ifconfig is not pre-installed and thus not there. Not sure which additional info is relevant, so ask away. Advice how to proceed?
[22:06] <bipul> pavlos: Thank you :)
[22:06] <glitsj16> jnewt: if you haven't found a GUI-way yet, you can try both 'gsettings set org.mate.media-handling automount true' and 'gsettings set org.mate.media-handling automount-open true' to get the behavior you're looking for
[22:06] <pavlos> bipul: np
[22:06] <bipul>  VBoxManage showvminfo Ubuntu-server | grep <error-part>
[22:07] <bipul> And you will get to know where you doing mistake
[22:08] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: run "lspci -knn" and "lsusb" and tell us the PCI / USB IDs provided for these devices, those look similar to this: [12ef:ab89]
[22:09] <nacc> CoffeeMonster: and `ip` replaced `ifconfig`
[22:12] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn: ethernet controller 11ab:4320; usb dongle 148f:5572
[22:12] <CoffeeMonster> nacc wow, did not know, thanks
[22:13] <pavlos> bipul: I dont get any errors from the showvminfo but VRDE is not on
[22:13] <genii> If you still want ifconfig, just install net-tools
[22:14] <CoffeeMonster> genii I would if I could ;)
[22:14] <bipul> VRDE?
[22:15] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: so it's an 88E8001, not 88E8801 NIC apparently.
[22:16] <bipul> Idk but when you able to run VM i.e  Oracle VM VirtualBox Headless Interface 5.0.40_Ubuntu
[22:16] <bipul> , after making installation. I have unmount my .iso image via command
[22:16] <bipul> VBoxManage storageattach $VM --storagectl "IDE Controller" --port 0 --device 0 --type dvddrive --medium none
[22:16] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn whoops :( indeed, I meant to type 88e8001 :(
[22:16] <pavlos> bipul: the showvminfo gives me, VRDE Connection:    not active
[22:17] <bipul> And when you found any issue related to storage or network, i have given you the command to look for ir
[22:17] <bipul> it
[22:17] <bipul> yes
[22:17] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: skge is the driver for that. the lspci command you ran should have said so?
[22:17] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn correct
[22:18] <bipul> then look into google and https://forums.virtualbox.org/
[22:19] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: so your system identified and loaded the correct driver for the ethernet NIC. now run 'ip link' and see whether it created the network device. they are no longer called 'eth*', so maybe discuss all that are listed there.
[22:22] <CoffeeMonster> there are three, the loopback, the ethernet and the wireless if i'm not mistaken. any particular info that would be relevant?
[22:22] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: whats the name of the ethernet and wireless interfaces?
[22:23] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn: enp6s12 and wlx6002b4d1edcb
[22:24] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: if IP addresses were assigned to the ethernet interface, this command will list them: ip address show enp6s12 | awk '/^ *inet/{print $2}'
[22:25] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: that's both ipv4 and ipv6 addresses / CIDRs
[22:26] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: have you tried to just 'ping -c2 8.8.8.8'? this would tell you whether you have internet connectivity (8.8.8.8 is a public DNS server operated by Google)
[22:26] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn just an fe80 ip6, which is a link-local address if i remember my courses right?
[22:26] <CoffeeMonster> no ipv4
[22:27] <CoffeeMonster> i have tomreyn, "network is unreachable"
[22:28] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: that's correct, so indeed no ip address was assigned. so, check the cable, does it have a link (i assume you have some LED there to indicate link state)
[22:30] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn the led is red/orange, seems to be blinking quite a bit
[22:30] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: also, 'ip link show enp6s12' (which is a subset of the output you previously generated when you ran 'ip link') should tell you the state of your network interface. here it says "state UP" (amongst a lot of other things)
[22:31] <CoffeeMonster> the ethernet has state up, the wireless has state down
[22:31] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn also worth noting: the dongle does seem to work to some degree. i can see the available networks
[22:31] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: so for the ethernet NIC, the only issue seems to be that assigning (or possibly receiving, via DHCP) IP addresses did not succeed.
[22:32] <CoffeeMonster> should i try assigning a static ip?
[22:32] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn
[22:32] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: i.e. there should be no driver issues, no need to install additional drivers, it's probably just a configuration issue.
[22:33] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: how do you normally assign an ip address there?
[22:33] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: if you feel comfortable assigning a static ip address this is maybe a good approach to work around this issue quickly.
[22:37] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn on my home network i have never assigned a static ip before... but i should be able to figure it out. i'll tell you if i succeed
[22:37] <oerheks> dhcp range 1-100, static 101,102,103
[22:38] <tomreyn> oerheksthats mnot an RFC, is it?
[22:38] <tomreyn> oerheks: i mean, how can you know this?
[22:38] <oerheks> most routers do accept this
[22:39] <Jordan_U> CoffeeMonster: What device are you connecting to? Is this a home modem/router/switch/wireless AP combination or just a modem?
[22:39] <tomreyn> aha, wasnt aware
[22:42] <CoffeeMonster> Jordan_U tp-link ac1200
[22:42] <CoffeeMonster> ergh idiot
[22:42] <CoffeeMonster> archer c50 i mean
[22:43] <tomreyn> http://www.tp-link.com/us/products/details/Archer-C50.html
[22:45] <Jordan_U> CoffeeMonster: Great. Do you see lights on either port (computer or router) when plugged in? What about when another working machine is plugged in?
[22:46] <tomreyn> we know the one on the computers' end "is red/orange, seems to be blinking quite a bit"
[22:47] <noraatepernos> Where would you guys check for an outgoing connection bottleneck?
[22:48] <noraatepernos> My loadtester isn’t even touching the CPUs on this ec2 instance yet it doesn’t like going above 500 requests per second.
[22:48] <noraatepernos> They’re http get requests.
[22:49] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn: assigning a static ip did not seem to help; the ping command used to immediately fail, but now it does try to ping, and it gives destination host unreachable on everything including default gateway
[22:50] <CoffeeMonster> (except localhost, which does succeed)
[22:51] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: are you able to access the routers' web interface using a different computer, such as a smartphone, tab or laptop?
[22:51] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn there's only one indicator for cabled, and i have other devices on cable :D but i checked the dhcp client list in the router's interface and it's not there
[22:52] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: okay, is there another device list besides the dhcp one on that web interface?
[22:52] <CoffeeMonster> arp list
[22:52] <tomreyn> and its not there either?
[22:53] <tomreyn> "ip link show" lists the MAC addresses
[22:54] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: i suggest you also take a look at /var/log/syslog - it should tell you what's going wrong.
[22:55] <CoffeeMonster> it only lists the mac address if i manually add it, but no, didn't list it by itself
[22:55] <CoffeeMonster> the other devices show up in the arp list as 'unloaded'
[22:55] <CoffeeMonster> but i assume that just means they're from dhcp and not fixed?
[22:56] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn ok let's have a look
[22:56] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: i'm not familiar with the term"unloaded" regarding networking (except for linux modules, buut it won't be that).
[22:57] <Jordan_U> CoffeeMonster: Just to be sure, you do have your computer plugged into one of the orange ports and not the blue "internet" port. Correct?
[22:58] <tomreyn> this refers to http://www.tp-link.com/res/upfile/images/20150430051430.png
[22:58] <CoffeeMonster> Jordan_U very sure :p the blue internet port is used correctly, and the other devices in the yellow etherports are working fine
[23:01] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn Jordan_U: in the syslog: nautilus: called "net usershare info" but it failed: failed to execute child process "net" (no such file or directory)
[23:01] <CoffeeMonster> i think right after enabling the wired connection, but i could be mistaken (org.freedesktop.hostname1)
[23:01] <himom> hi I'm back
[23:01] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: that's okay, you want to look much earlier where it loads the drivers and tries to configure ip addreses via dhcp (or static)
[23:02] <himom> I tested Ubuntu 16.04
[23:02] <himom> ducasse: 16.04.1 has no issues at all, on 16.04.3 there were artifacts in blender, but no artifacts in games (big improvement)
[23:03] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: nautilus only becomes active by the time the graphical desktop is already started, the command it runs there is to check for samba / smb / cifs / windows shares
[23:03] <himom> so the results are a bit unexpected for me
[23:08] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn 379 hits on "dhcp"; i see some request timed out, state changed unknown ->timeout, canceled dhcp transaction, state change timeout -> done; a lot of dhcpdiscover on enp6s12 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval etc.; some state changed ip-config -> failed (reason 'ip-config-unavailable')
[23:08] <CoffeeMonster> anything more specific i should look for?
[23:08] <himom> https://prnt.sc/g43ccx
[23:09] <Bashing-om> himom: reading .
[23:10] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn i put it back on dhcp, disabled and enabled the interface, checked syslog: "no buffer space available" and "failed to send 300 byte long packet over enp6s12 interface"
[23:12] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: hmm that's interesting. let's run a web search on that
[23:13] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn lshw -c network mentions width: 32 bits... does this conflict with my os being 64 bit? or is it something completely irrelevant?
[23:18] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: that's not relevant
[23:18] <Jordan_U> CoffeeMonster: Is your cable a crossover or straightthrough cable?
[23:20] <Jordan_U> CoffeeMonster: Your ethernet card might be old enough to not be able to automatically accomidate to the wrong cable being used.
[23:20] <CoffeeMonster> Jordan_U i have no idea... it's the ordinary one, whichever that is? it's the same cable i have used in the past to connect my ps3 to my router; also wireless is also not working, so it's probably deeper than just the wire
[23:20] <himom> so I get artifacts on 17.04, only partially on 16.04.3, but not at all on 16.04.1 what to do?
[23:21] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: when you "sudo grep sky2 /var/log/syslog", are there any messages which sound like an error or warning?
[23:23] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn that returns nothing at all
[23:23] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: umm, sorry, wrong kernel module
[23:24] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: when you "sudo grep skge /var/log/syslog", are there any messages which sound like an error or warning?
[23:25] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: i guess your best option right now is to try this with the 17.04 live / installer system, see if you can get either network device working proeprly there. if you can, oyu can at least rule out a hardware /wiring issue.
[23:26] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn netdev watchdog: enp6s12 (skge): transmit queue 0 timed out
[23:26] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: hmm okay this can be either a driver or hardware or configuration issue, it's not really clear.
[23:31] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn is there any way this could be caused by some kind of 32/64 bit mismatch? it's the first time i'm running a 64 bit os on it.  should i give it a try to install 32 bit or is it just a waste of time?
[23:31] <CoffeeMonster> apart from the ethernet/wireless, everything *seems* to be working fine
[23:33] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: if a 64-bit OS would not work on this system then it would not even have completed the boot.
[23:33] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: this said, if the driver is bad quality, 32-bit might help
[23:34] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: but that's not too likely. i'd rather try the suggestion i just made and maybe do some cross testing
[23:34] <CoffeeMonster> skge driver right? should i maybe look for an updated version, transfer it to the desktop via usb?
[23:35] <CoffeeMonster> ok i'll check the live usb boot thingy
[23:35] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: why dont you just try whether it works on the live?
[23:35] <tomreyn> :)
[23:36] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn the dvd drive seems to be a bit worn, and it's usually a pain in the behind to get it open :D i can hear it trying to open, but being stuck. then sometimes after 10 tries, it opens up. sometimes not and i have to use a hairpin
[23:37] <CoffeeMonster> alright, it's in... and now the wait begins
[23:38] <Jordan_U> himom: Have you filed a bug report? Please pastebin the output of "dmesg" when you are seeing these artifacts. Please also pastebin the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log .
[23:40] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: did you not say usb boot? is the dvd drive connected via usb then? i had assumed a usb stick, a lot less painful (once you got it written properly)
[23:40] <CoffeeMonster> i did, i meant dvd... i haven't had much sleep lately lol
[23:40] <himom> Jordan_U: I haven't. I get them only in 3d applications such as blender, unity3d and games. It started when I updated to 17.04
[23:42] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: then the best suggestion i can provide is actually "get sleep", and think about what, if anything, you changed between when it worked and now.
[23:43] <himom> Jordan_U: I already checked xorg log and nothing interesting was there. 16.10 didn't have those problems
[23:44] <CoffeeMonster> tomreyn it's not working either on the live dvd... i'll check into more detail later. so far what has changed: i removed the raid configuration, installed ubuntu 64bit instead of windows vista 32bit... that's about it i think
[23:44] <CoffeeMonster> all the hardware is still the same
[23:44] <htaccess> anyone else been hitting "E: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-libc-dev_3.13.0-123.172_amd64.deb  404  Not Found" on 14.04 boxes for the last few hours?
[23:46] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: oh, somehow i was assumign you had run linux successfully on this system before.
[23:47] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: okay then i suggest that you install ubuntu 16.04 lts instead, or rather that you try whether you can get this live / installer online before you install.
[23:47] <CoffeeMonster> ok ty. i'll probably be giving that try tomorrow then
[23:47] <CoffeeMonster> ty for all the help
[23:48] <tomreyn> CoffeeMonster: welcome. also, if you have another NIC lying around, or a frined who can borrow you one that works with this bus type, give that a try, too.
[23:49] <tomreyn> and last but not least, reboot them router, too.
[23:50] <CoffeeMonster> hmm i might be able to raid some broken computer somewhere around the house :D
[23:50] <CoffeeMonster> but they're probably onboard
[23:52] <CoffeeMonster> and i'll try and see if rebooting the router helps... but i'm not particularly getting my hopes up on that one