[00:26] <Benjamin__> Hi, Im about to ask, my machine aspire one acer running the version of lubuntu 17.04, and lately its getting fast hotter than usual, is there any advice for me to look around anything inside her? thanks in advance :)
[01:25] <Felix__> Hello, Hello?
[01:26] <Felix__> Is this the place to get help with lubuntu?
[02:29] <tsimonq2> Felix__: Yes it is.
[02:32] <Felix__> Trying to put lunbuntu on  brand new acer with win10. Made a live USB which works on my other machine. When I try it on the acer, comes up with a blank screen.
[02:34] <Felix__> Past the bios, where you'd expect to see all the report text generated with startup, nothing at all. Not a character on screen.
[02:35] <tsimonq2> Felix__: How long have you waited at that screen and are you 100% sure that you're booting off of the USB?
[02:35] <tsimonq2> Felix__: Also, is that machine i386 (32-bit) or amd64 (64-bit)?
[02:37] <Felix__> A few minutes, more than three but less than 10. Pretty sure, Used f12 menu to choose it, there are only two choices and the other is windows boot mgnr. 64 bit system.
[02:37] <tsimonq2> Ah, ok.
[02:37] <tsimonq2> Felix__: What graphics card is in it?
[02:38] <Felix__> ... Integrated? It's basically a netbook. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071Y5SZYR/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 <- link to where I bought it
[02:40] <Felix__> tsimonq2: Test?
[02:42] <tsimonq2> Felix__: Looking
[02:42] <Felix__> No rush, just playing with the chat. Thanks for looking!
[02:43] <tsimonq2> Felix__: Hm, I'm not entirely sure what it would be. Try in #ubuntu? :)
[02:44] <Felix__> Yeah it's  such a weird problem I don't even know how to describe it to google. I'll check there!
[02:44] <Felix__> It was also doing this with parrot linux.
[07:00] <NinjaKirby> Any one have any advice on multi-monitor setup on Lubuntu 16.04.2 64bit with NVidia Drivers? If I do seperate Xscreens, I can't seem to wallpaper both monitors (and it also duplicates the icons on both screens), and if I do a single Xscreen, a wallpaper will tile across successfully, but the computer boots without the secondary monitor enabled.
[07:00] <NinjaKirby> Struggling to find a combination that just works.
[07:00] <NinjaKirby> *Disabled, correction, the secondary monitor is disabled.
[07:02] <NinjaKirby> That's just thrown more confusion, I said Boots without... so to restate, again; the computer boots without the second monitor enabled. My goodness.
[07:39] <NinjaKirby> Unbelievable, restarting X11VNC annihilates my PC into the equivalent of BSODing.
[07:41] <tsimonq2> !nvidia
[07:41] <tsimonq2> !nvidia | NinjaKirby
[07:41] <tsimonq2> :)
[07:41] <tsimonq2> NinjaKirby: You could also try #ubuntu, those people are smarter than me when it comes to NVIDIA drivers ;)
[07:54] <NinjaKirby> Thanks for the support, no joy with the Help documentation sadly. I'll pop over and interrogate them, heh.
[17:30] <dust> how to install the lastet realtime kernel?
[17:53] <Felix_Amore> Hi all, I'm struggling to install lunbuntu on my new acer spin1. Made a live usb with rufus and test it on my main pc. Works just fine. In the acer it goes to the boot screen, but the usual text that flashed by on boot doesn't appear.
[18:02] <wxl> Felix_Amore: first things first: did you check the hashes of the iso and also check the media integrity?
[18:03] <Felix_Amore> No and no, I'll go do that.
[18:13] <Felix_Amore> hashes of the ISO match on the MD5 & SHA512 level (first time doing that), and used media checker. Both are good.
[18:17] <wxl> you do get the GRUB menu right? where you can choose to check the media, boot the ISO, install, etc?
[18:21] <Felix_Amore> No GRUB menu. Press f12 to choose the right option from the bios, then nothin.
[18:21] <wxl> that's strange.
[18:21] <wxl> it's on a usb?
[18:21] <Felix_Amore> Yeah, and works in my other machine.
[18:21] <wxl> have you tried other usb ports?
[18:22] <Felix_Amore> Yeah, but I'll try it again.
[18:25] <Felix_Amore> Tried on all ports, then booted into windows to be sure it saw the USB. It did without issue. Also I'm 100% fine with just wiping the entire hard drive.
[18:25] <wxl> well it's like it's not responding to the usb in some way
[18:26] <wxl> do you have another bootable usb, preferably store bought?
[18:26] <Felix_Amore> No, but I can make another one? I wasn't even aware you could buy pre-made bootable usb's.
[18:27] <wxl> there's various software out there, not to mention people that offer it for linux
[18:27] <wxl> i mean even ubuntu has them for sale
[18:28] <wxl> everything points at something being wrong with the hardware. i've seen issues where people could get tge GRUB screen but nothing else and that can be solved by tweaking graphics settings but this is different than that
[18:28] <wxl> maybe it's taking a long time to boot????
[18:28] <Felix_Amore> Left it on the final screen for four hours ish. Nothing at all.
[18:28] <wxl> jeez
[18:28] <wxl> that's nuts
[18:29] <Felix_Amore> What would happen if the hardware doesn't meet minimum lubuntu requirements?
[18:30] <wxl> you should still be able to boot
[18:30] <wxl> i'm not sure if PAE would cause a problem
[18:30] <Felix_Amore> Mhm.
[18:31] <Felix_Amore> It's a netbook with a 1.1gighertz processor and 4 gigs of ram.
[18:32] <wxl> yeah not an issue then
[18:33] <Felix_Amore> I'm really irritated because the hard drive is 32 gigs, shown capacity is 28 and the free space is 18 gigs. And it's brand new! thats 10 gigs of stuff that  I didn't put there!
[18:34] <Felix_Amore> I wanna wipe it and put linux on it.
[18:34] <wxl> well
[18:34] <wxl> oh wait
[18:34] <Felix_Amore> ?
[18:35] <wxl> does it have that new garbage windows came up with where you have to have signed software to boot? if so, turning on legacy booting in the bios will help
[18:36] <wxl> UEFI
[18:36] <Felix_Amore> Can't find the legacy option in the bios, but did disable secureboot. I'll go look for a legacy option (again)
[18:36] <wxl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[18:36] <wxl> that said
[18:36] <wxl> here's the crazy idea:
[18:37] <wxl> pull out the hard drive. use a USB to SCSI/SATA (depending on what you have) adapter to hook it up to your desktop, then boot the installer on the desktop and when you choose drives to install on, put it on the USB drive
[18:38] <Felix_Amore> It's a laptop, so I'd like to leave opening it as the last option taken.
[18:38] <wxl> i hear you
[18:48] <Felix_Amore> Weird weird weird. Works fine on my other machine.
[18:49] <wxl> that's why i'm saying it's likely a hardware issue of SOME kind
[18:50] <wxl> may be related to BIOS, but we can still call that a hardware issue
[18:50] <wxl> tl;dr it's not a lubuntu issue
[18:51] <Felix_Amore> Well, have any other channel for me to bother then?
[18:51] <wxl> oh well you're probably just as good here as anywhere else :)
[18:52] <wxl> the only thing i could suggest beyond that is either a channel with more people (#ubuntu or ##linux) or find some support that relates directly to that piece of hardware
[18:53] <wxl> but again, most problems i see with system requirements or driver issues will occur AFTER the GRUB menu. if you're getting that, and you KNOW that the ISO/media checks out, then there's no reason to believe it's related to the software itself
[18:53] <Felix_Amore> Yeah, I don't get to the grub menu.
[18:53] <wxl> most weird issues people have relate to hashes and such. so if you got that, you can verify that you have what's been tested as bootable and functional
[18:54] <wxl> i guess we could have something wrong in the latest dailies, but i assume you're trying to use a released version?
[18:56] <Felix_Amore> Yeah
[18:57] <wxl> yeah so that's what i'm saying-- it's been tested and the hashes of what we tested are published, so if you're hashes match, you're running what we tested which pretty much removes the likelihood of a software problem
[18:57] <wxl> which is unlikely to be the issue anyways since it works on your other machine!
[19:01] <Felix_Amore> So it's just a hardware thing to overcome. Crap.
[19:01] <wxl> pretty much, yeah
[19:01] <wxl> i have to say this is a weird one
[19:01] <wxl> i've seen cases where certain ports don't work
[19:01] <wxl> but you've checked all those
[19:01] <wxl> i've seen cases where the boot is super slow but again you checked that
[19:01] <Felix_Amore> I have a history of weird issues booting linux.
[19:02] <wxl> i guess there's some weird remote possibility that there's some funkiness to the usb that makes it only boot on certain machines but that just seems freaking weird
[19:02] <wxl> i have seen a lot of diversity in usb hardware, though
[19:02] <wxl> i know it's supposed to be universal and all, but..... ;)
[19:03] <Felix_Amore> I've tried two USB's now. I suppose I'll try a third laptop?
[19:03] <wxl> ahahahah
[19:03] <wxl> two different usbs, too, wow
[19:03] <wxl> different manufacturers/models?
[19:03] <wxl> i guess if you have another laptop you can verify it on, then pretty much puts the nail in the coffin about it being related to the specific hardware
[19:04] <Felix_Amore> Yeah, one is about a year old and one is years old.
[19:04] <wxl> is there windows on the netbook?
[19:04] <Felix_Amore> Yeah, win10.
[19:04] <wxl> hm
[19:04] <wxl> might be UEFI related some how
[19:05] <wxl> "if the other systems (Windows Vista/7/8, GNU/Linux...) of your computer are installed in UEFI mode, then you must install Ubuntu in UEFI mode too. "
[19:05] <Felix_Amore> Maybe. I even used the win10 recovery boot from usb method of choosing the usb and had the same result.
[19:05] <wxl> you must use a 64 bit boot
[19:05] <wxl> and yeah you're supposed to disable all that quickboot BS
[19:06] <Felix_Amore> Tried using rufus with the gpt setting, and did download the 64bit version of lubunut
[19:06] <Felix_Amore> No quickboot, but did disable secureboot.
[19:06] <wxl> yeah whatever they call it
[19:07] <wxl> what about Intel Smart Response Technology (SRT). ?
[19:07] <Felix_Amore> Don't think so, but I'll look again.
[19:09] <Felix_Amore> Not on this machine. It almost looks like it doesn't even get to the bios...
[19:09] <wxl> that's super weird
[19:09] <Felix_Amore> But when I push the bios button nothing happens.
[19:09] <wxl> but you can, at some point, get to the BIOS?
[19:10] <Felix_Amore> Yeah. Press power button, tap f2 and I get bios. Press power button, wait ten seconds, press f2, nothing.
[19:11] <wxl> huh
[19:11] <wxl> BIOS is so weird with UEFI
[19:11] <TheSchaf> don't blame uefi for everything :P
[19:11] <wxl> if the USB is not in, can you get somewhere that will allow you to select a drive?
[19:11] <wxl> TheSchaf: i blame uefi for you not shushing it ;)
[19:12] <Felix_Amore> Yup. Get into bios as normal.
[19:12] <wxl> cuz maybe leave the USB out until you actually select the drive?
[19:14] <Felix_Amore> Powered on (USB not plugged in), into bios, choose boot order (USB before windows boot mngr), plug in usb. Nothing.
[19:14] <wxl> harumph.
[19:14] <wxl> i'm stumped, honestly
[19:16] <Felix_Amore> http://i.imgur.com/1Wvvlvo.jpg <- here's what it looks like, if it helps.
[19:18] <Felix_Amore> The little blur is a single underscore. Typing does nothing, have to hold the power button to shut it off.
[19:20] <wxl> that's the sort of thing i've seen with a bad download/copy
[19:20] <wxl> so to be totally sure, how did you check the integrity of the media itself (i.e. check against a bad copy)?
[19:22] <Felix_Amore> https://www.ghacks.net/2007/03/26/check-media-integrity/ Followed these directions
[19:23] <wxl> hm
[19:23] <wxl> try doing this:
[19:23] <wxl>  1. boot on your desktop
[19:23] <wxl>  2. get to the grub menu
[19:23] <wxl>  3. select the option to "check disc for defects" or whatever it is
[19:24] <wxl> if THAT succeeds, then i can be sure
[19:24] <Felix_Amore> Okay, thats the machine I'm talking to you from. Be back soon.
[19:24] <wxl> kk
[19:35] <Felix_Amore> Would formatting the whole drive maybe make it work better?
[19:38] <wxl> hard to say. if it's BIOS-level, no
[19:42] <Felix_Amore> Sigh.
[19:42] <Felix_Amore> Does it matter that the device has flash memory and not some other kind?
[19:42] <wxl> shouldn't, no
[19:43] <wxl> did you do the check as aforementioned btw?
[19:44] <Felix_Amore> Working on it. I'm re-making the live USB with rufus and having it check for bad blocks then I'll try again.
[20:02] <Felix_Amore> On my other laptop, got grub and did disk check and no errors
[20:03] <wxl> well there ya go
[20:03] <wxl> hardware :
[20:03] <wxl> (
[20:04] <Felix_Amore> Now I have to decide if I want to return it and get a new one...
[20:41] <tester_> hello peple
[20:41] <tester_> is anybody here =)
[20:42] <wxl> !ask
[20:45] <tester_> ok! i've got oldy nx6310 Compaq with Windows xp sp3. And i've tried to install 32 desctop Lubuntu via CD with downloaded image of it. But computer doesn't see the image, nor via CD nor via flash USB
[20:46] <wxl> did you check the hashes of the downloaded iso?
[20:46] <tester_> no
[20:46] <wxl> well, then you have no way of knowing that you didn't run into some download errors
[20:46] <wxl> that's always the first step
[20:46] <wxl> this should help:
[20:47] <wxl> !md5sum
[20:50] <tester_> e98bd5f4b750888bcc77f16df79bc775
[20:50] <tester_> E:\Downloads\lubuntu-17.04-desktop-i386.iso
[20:51] <tester_> is it normal that it's called desctop for notebook?
[20:51] <tester_> =)
[20:56] <tester_> e98bd5f4b750888bcc77f16df79bc77 should be, but mine is just different on last digit: e98bd5f4b750888bcc77f16df79bc775 / Should i download one more time?
[20:57] <tester_> sorry, hash is ok, i checked it. What is the next step?
[20:59] <tester_> I tried this version on Virtual box it workes greate!
[21:00] <tester_> thank u peple for anwers, at least smth =)
[21:03] <wxl> tester_: you need ot check for copy errors now.
[21:05] <wxl> my guess is that's what's happening. a bad copy.
[21:05] <wxl> how did you do this?
[21:06] <tester_> hash is ok
[21:06] <wxl> got that
[21:06] <wxl> that checks for download errors
[21:06] <wxl> copy errors are different
[21:06] <wxl> unless you've checked the hash of the copied image
[21:14] <tester_> the hash on the CD is the same
[21:15] <tester_> also i tried to load the disk and USB on my Desctop PC, it doesn't load
[21:15] <tester_> so it works only on Virtual box
[21:16] <wxl> what method did you use to copy the iso to the physical media?
[21:16] <wxl> also, how did you check the hash on CD
[21:16] <tester_> nero burning
[21:16] <tester_> winMD5 sum
[21:16] <wxl> yeah i'm not sure it works with windows :/
[21:17] <wxl> can you use the USB or CD to boot on VirtualBox?
[21:17] <tester_> yaes
[21:17] <tester_> yeas
[21:17] <wxl> then it sounds like the problem isn't the iso and it isn't the media
[21:18] <wxl> does this have a legacy boot option? have you turned off secure boot and all that business?
[21:18] <wxl> how do you know that it doesn't recognize the media? what actually happens upon attempting to boot?
[21:18] <wxl> are you sure bios is set up to boot from that device and not some other device first?
[21:23] <tester_> right now i also tryed alternative version, checked it's hash, check via Virtial (all works), but not wia my Desctop PC nor via notebook nx6310 nor via flash nor via cd on both mashines
[21:26] <tester_> i choose the CD and flash like the 1 and 2, when loading on both machines i see: on nx6310 nothing at all and then loading HDD after 2 min of rolling the CD
[21:26] <tester_> and on my new DEsctop PC i see: No  system try another disk
[21:30] <wxl> the only thing i'm not sure of is the tools that you used
[21:30] <wxl> you should be doing a bit by bit copy, not copying the file over to an existing filesystem on the media
[21:30] <wxl> i.e. the resulting media should be an EXACT copy of the iso file
[21:34] <tester_> ok look
[21:34] <tester_> https://prnt.sc/g4i0a1
[21:39] <tester_> on the screenshot can be seen: 1)the checked hash of iso on CD; 2)the loaded VM from that iso from that CD
[21:42] <wxl> yeah that's the ISO on the CD
[21:42] <wxl> not the CD composed of only the ISO
[21:44] <wxl> rather i should say that the CD should be composed of only the contents of the ISO
[21:44] <wxl> to check the image you need to do a hash of the entire media, not just a file on it
[21:46] <wxl> if your cd or flash drive or whatever, when you open it up, has a file on it that is the ISO file, you've done something wrong
[21:55] <tester_> but 1) how to do such CD/USB and 2) why Virtual Box works fine which that CD??
[21:56] <wxl> 1. i don't know. ask at ##windows maybe for a bit by bit copy tool? i've heard of people using rufus, but i don't know. dd works best in linux.
[21:56] <tester_> and on the screen u can see there only iso nothing else
[21:57] <wxl> 2. probably because you're not booting from the cd image but booting from the iso file on the image
[21:57] <wxl> the iso is an image. you can think of it like a zip file.
[21:57] <wxl> if you see the iso on the cd, then you don't have the contents laid out on that cd.
[21:57] <wxl> the one way it's not a zip file: it contains a filesystem
[21:58] <tester_> i booting from disk on VB
[22:00] <tester_> look http://prntscr.com/g4iban
[22:01] <wxl> right. see the ".iso" at the end?
[22:01] <wxl> that's booting from the iso file which happens to be on the cd
[22:11] <tester_> ok maybe
[22:11] <tester_> ...
[22:21] <tester_> QOworks
[22:21] <tester_> wxl THANNK U MAN
[22:21] <tester_> rufus works
[22:22] <wxl> np
[22:23] <tester_> its my 1 lynux
[22:23] <wxl> you're bootin on linux finally? :)
[22:23] <TheSchaf> so what was his issue?
[22:24] <wxl> TheSchaf: UEFI. always UEFI.
[22:24] <TheSchaf> hehe
[22:26] <tester_> wxl u my hero https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6IQ_FOCE6I
[22:27] <tester_> have luck!