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| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers | 06:17 |
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| duflu | Morning oSoMoN | 06:31 |
| jamesh | morning oSoMoN | 06:39 |
| oSoMoN | hey duflu, jamesh | 06:41 |
| didrocks | good morning | 07:00 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 07:02 |
| seb128 | hey oSoMoN duflu jamesh | 07:03 |
| seb128 | re didrocks | 07:03 |
| didrocks | re seb128 | 07:03 |
| oSoMoN | hey didrocks, seb128 | 07:04 |
| ricotz | hey desktopers | 07:28 |
| ricotz | seb128, hi, https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+sourcepub/8140681/+listing-archive-extra | 07:28 |
| seb128 | hey ricotz, how are you? | 07:29 |
| seb128 | ricotz, thanks, I'm having a look to that one today | 07:29 |
| ricotz | seb128, I am good :), and you? | 07:30 |
| seb128 | I'm good thanks | 07:30 |
| ricotz | this is probably interesting too https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+sourcepub/7961953/+listing-archive-extra | 07:31 |
| seb128 | ricotz, you should open a sponsoring bug for the aptitude debdiff | 07:34 |
| seb128 | duflu, was your battery icon tweaks that landed to ubuntu-themes supposed to be enough to make it look good? it somewhat still looks compressed/not nice in current artful | 07:44 |
| duflu | seb128, otop | 07:45 |
| duflu | otp | 07:45 |
| seb128 | no hurry | 07:45 |
| seb128 | d_idrocks would like to use the upstream icon instead, but yeah, then issue in unity as you pointed out on the bug | 07:45 |
| duflu | seb128, yeah my new icons are actually much better than it was (blurry). And it's only condensed for low-DPI screens. 1080p and above you get the old-style long battery. Because gnome-shell only picks 16px icons in low DPI | 07:49 |
| duflu | Sorry, correction: It's only condensed for scale 1.0. For higher scales you will get the old longer battery | 07:51 |
| didrocks | it's quite disturbing on scale 1.0 | 07:52 |
| duflu | didrocks, it was much worse before :) | 07:52 |
| didrocks | I don't know if for status icon we should just go with adwaita | 07:52 |
| didrocks | and having per session overrides | 07:52 |
| seb128 | bah, what's going on with my internet today | 07:52 |
| didrocks | (so, unity will use unity) | 07:53 |
| didrocks | or | 07:53 |
| seb128 | duflu, so http://picpaste.com/battery-GQgpUM6v.png is how it's supposed to look or is that still buggy? | 07:53 |
| duflu | didrocks, adwaita's looks fine but will break Unity7 (varies between the adwaita one and ubuntu) | 07:53 |
| didrocks | we can fix it for scale=1 | 07:53 |
| didrocks | duflu: yeah, hence per-session override | 07:53 |
| didrocks | hum, annoying for unity-greeter though… | 07:53 |
| seb128 | if we care only about unity we could rename battery icons to append -unity | 07:53 |
| seb128 | and change indicator-power to use that name | 07:54 |
| seb128 | both greeter and session use the indicator | 07:54 |
| didrocks | the issue is if other desktop are using -mono | 07:54 |
| seb128 | right, I wrote "if we care only about unity" | 07:54 |
| seb128 | do we know of other desktop using -mono? | 07:54 |
| duflu | Well, authoring 39 battery icons took some effort but if you can make it work then go nuts | 07:54 |
| didrocks | duflu: what's the real fix without impacting unity? | 07:55 |
| didrocks | not really sure I got everything from the bug report, apart that "we need to make them square and not lying on size" | 07:55 |
| didrocks | (which would impact unity, correct?) | 07:55 |
| duflu | didrocks, what we have is the real fix that works with unity. The other real fix is to modify unity to load its own different names | 07:55 |
| didrocks | ah | 07:55 |
| didrocks | so, it's not only authoring | 07:55 |
| duflu | didrocks, no more icon design required. It would be *deleting* symlinks and modifying Unity code | 07:56 |
| duflu | ... then Gnome Shell would just use upstream-everything, and Unity would avoid accidentally loading Adwaita icons | 07:58 |
| oSoMoN | chrisccoulson, good morning! chromium-browser 60.0.3112.78 is ready for testing and publication in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+packages | 08:03 |
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| chrisccoulson | oSoMoN, ack | 08:32 |
| chrisccoulson | although, that'll be a monday thing now | 08:32 |
| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson, happy friday! how are you? | 08:34 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, I'm not too bad thanks - just eating some bacon. How about you? | 08:34 |
| seb128 | I'm good thanks :-) | 08:36 |
| chrisccoulson | we have sunshine at the moment! | 08:39 |
| seb128 | nice | 08:47 |
| seb128 | brb | 08:47 |
| oSoMoN | chrisccoulson, sure, I wasn't expecting a Friday publication :) | 08:48 |
| oSoMoN | bacon, yummy! | 08:49 |
| duflu | didrocks, another idea: Modify gnome-shell to accept non-square icons like our old ones | 09:19 |
| duflu | And to not constrain them to squares | 09:19 |
| duflu | I think Marco favoured that | 09:20 |
| tsimonq2 | o/ | 09:22 |
| seb128 | re, sorry restarted session a few times | 09:22 |
| seb128 | hey tsimonq2 | 09:23 |
| tsimonq2 | This is a fairly visible bug that the desktop team should be aware of that I have prepared a fix for and tested: bug 1133477 | 09:23 |
| ubot5 | bug 1133477 in gvfs (Ubuntu) "[SRU] cut-n-paste move files got stuck forever" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1133477 | 09:23 |
| tsimonq2 | Just needs a Core Developer to upload | 09:23 |
| tsimonq2 | I've been working with the Ubuntu MATE folks as Caja is affected by this as well. | 09:24 |
| tsimonq2 | It has complete SRU documentation and a debdiff attached to the bug report. I would upload it if I had the permissions. ;) | 09:25 |
| tsimonq2 | (maybe it's in the Desktop Team packageset, I don't know, but at minimum it's in main) | 09:26 |
| tsimonq2 | Any suggestions or help would certainly be appreciated :) | 09:27 |
| didrocks | duflu: yeah, I don't know how much this is involved though | 09:27 |
| didrocks | duflu: but knowing that it's already loading mostly icons from adwaita, maybe just having indicator-power loading unity-* icons | 09:28 |
| didrocks | that's the less intrusive | 09:28 |
| duflu | didrocks, fair enough. I am drifting toward organizing dinner so would like to stop pondering the problem anyway | 09:28 |
| didrocks | duflu: enjoy your dinner :) | 09:28 |
| seb128 | tsimonq2, get a sponsoring bug in the queue, I can try to have a look if nobody beats me to it but it's probably not doing to be today | 09:29 |
| seb128 | duflu, have a nice dinner and a good w.e! | 09:29 |
| tsimonq2 | seb128: Should be in the queue next time it updates | 09:29 |
| tsimonq2 | seb128: I can ask my usual Core Developer sponsor to upload it for me, but regardless I'd just like to make the Desktop Team aware ;) | 09:30 |
| duflu | seb128, thanks, but I'm not there yet | 09:31 |
| tsimonq2 | seb128: LocutusOfBorg uploaded it for me ;) | 10:19 |
| seb128 | tsimonq2, great :-) | 10:20 |
| seb128 | you guys start being active desktopers! | 10:20 |
| tsimonq2 | seb128: ;) | 10:20 |
| tsimonq2 | seb128: I just wish I had archive upload access so I didn't have to poke people... although I will apply for MOTU on August 14th :D | 10:21 |
| seb128 | tsimonq2, right, keep going like that and you should get it without issue | 10:21 |
| tsimonq2 | seb128: The hardest part about that bug was filling out the SRU docs tbh, but look at how thorough I tried to be to minimize any questions later ;) | 10:22 |
| tsimonq2 | I think that's the most thorough I've ever been on a bug report... although it's like a 700 line diff :P | 10:24 |
| tsimonq2 | seb128: But I might just stick around in this channel so if I need to collab with the desktop team at all or vice versa, we can do so | 10:26 |
| seb128 | tsimonq2, great, it's always good to have more people around and involved :-) | 10:57 |
| jbicha | seb128: GNOME 3.24 can work with gjs 1.49 on mozjs52, we just get a lot of annoying warnings like comment 3 on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=785568 | 12:17 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 785568 in general "gnome-documents should use var instead of let/const for gjs 1.49.4" [Major,New] | 12:17 |
| andyrock | Trevinho: do you remember the tool to test indicators? | 12:46 |
| andyrock | desktoppers ^^^ | 12:46 |
| * kenvandine waves | 13:14 | |
| jbicha | kenvandine: good morning | 13:14 |
| gQuigs | previously I could just do a bzr pull request to get metapackages like https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-restricted-addons changes.. they don't have any recent commit activity.. do I just want to do a normal debdiff? | 13:22 |
| jbicha | gQuigs: that branch is from Ubuntu Distributed Development which stopped working a while ago. Yes | 13:24 |
| gQuigs | jbicha: moved to git? or just do a debdiff? | 13:25 |
| jbicha | currently there is no VCS for ubuntu-restricted-addons/extras | 13:29 |
| gQuigs | jbicha: k, thanks | 13:30 |
| kenvandine | freenode doesn't like me trying to connect via private internet access VPN | 13:37 |
| Laney | morning | 13:39 |
| kenvandine | hey Laney | 13:40 |
| Laney | hey kenvandine | 13:40 |
| Laney | get back ok? | 13:40 |
| kenvandine | yeah... lots of delays made for a long day | 13:40 |
| kenvandine | got in late last night | 13:40 |
| kenvandine | debconf going well? | 13:40 |
| kenvandine | there we go... just had to switch to SASL login for freenode :) | 13:47 |
| Laney | bit too much firefighting for my liking | 13:48 |
| Laney | but not too bad | 13:48 |
| cyphermox | seb128: are you fixing that ubiquity ftbfs? | 14:04 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, in a meeting but after that if nobody beats me to it yes | 14:04 |
| cyphermox | seb128: ok, no rush | 14:05 |
| cyphermox | just checking :) | 14:05 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, hey btw, any chance you could review https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox-plugin-alternative-toolbar/+bug/1703662 ? it's probably an easy mir request :-) | 14:06 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1703662 in rhythmbox-plugin-alternative-toolbar (Ubuntu) "[MIR] rhythmbox-plugin-alternative-toolbar" [Wishlist,New] | 14:06 |
| cyphermox | sure | 14:07 |
| seb128 | thanks | 14:11 |
| andyrock | seb128: I proposed fixes for unity7+g++7 too | 14:15 |
| seb128 | andyrock, great | 14:15 |
| seb128 | didrocks, did you know of cases where picking "ubuntu on wayland" gives an xorg session? seems to happen when I tried to log with my test user atm, dunno if that's because there is already a session open or if something with the test user | 14:25 |
| didrocks | seb128: I don't really know, you gave a reproduceable testcase, correct? | 14:27 |
| didrocks | so, I was waiting to have some cycles working on this, but first, switching to wayland by default | 14:27 |
| seb128 | well I can't login into wayland with that second user and will had a similar issue | 14:27 |
| seb128 | the ubuntu on wayland gives an xorg session | 14:27 |
| didrocks | we could have the list unsync due to our patch | 14:27 |
| seb128 | I guess that needs debugging | 14:27 |
| seb128 | I mentioned it in case you know about it being a known issue | 14:27 |
| didrocks | I didn't see it, but someone else mentioned it on the channel | 14:28 |
| jbicha | some folks on the forum were talking about the opposite problem: getting a Wayland session when they picked 'Ubuntu' | 14:28 |
| seb128 | any variable that would be useful to print? | 14:28 |
| didrocks | so yeah, I think it's a real bug | 14:28 |
| didrocks | seb128: all gdm logs | 14:28 |
| didrocks | with debug enabled | 14:28 |
| seb128 | k | 14:28 |
| seb128 | I'm going to open a bug | 14:28 |
| seb128 | (but in a call atm) | 14:28 |
| didrocks | but TBH, let's wait to revert this patch for session ordering | 14:28 |
| didrocks | you did open one already | 14:28 |
| didrocks | and assigned it to me | 14:28 |
| didrocks | but the goal is to have: wayland by default, then, let's see if the issue is that the gdm list is at 2 places | 14:29 |
| jbicha | btw, we still plan to have X by default for the live session for now, right? I'm thinking of gparted | 14:31 |
| didrocks | yeah | 14:34 |
| didrocks | apart if we have the time to work on it | 14:34 |
| didrocks | (sudo apps running on wayland) | 14:34 |
| jbicha | there is a workaround for pkexec, but I think there is justifiable hesitancy in applying itt: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/763531 | 14:35 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 763531 in overview "pkexec in .desktop no longer works" [Critical,Reopened] | 14:35 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I did open one? forgot about it :-( | 14:36 |
| seb128 | didrocks, but yeah waiting is fine no worry | 14:36 |
| didrocks | seb128: no worry ;) yeah, I didn't tell you I was waiting on the switch once the decision was taken | 14:36 |
| didrocks | seb128: my big guess again is that the 2 lists are unsynced somewhere in gdm code | 14:37 |
| didrocks | jbicha: indeed, I read about that one, we'll see how it goes, but for now X on live is a working solution | 14:38 |
| didrocks | (IMHO) | 14:38 |
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| ogra | seb128, might be faster to discuss this on IRC and then dump a summary into the forum ... doesnt the wayland session have any mechanism to set global env vars that we could use with snapd ? | 15:15 |
| ogra | (i.e. how is the non-modified XDG_DATA_DIRS set in a wayland session today) | 15:16 |
| jbicha | I guess Flatpak had a similar problem: https://github.com/alexlarsson/xdg-app/issues/147 | 15:20 |
| ogra | jbicha, well, i guess everyone will have such a problem ... how are distributors supposed to set defaults for wayland sessions ... there must be some mechanism | 15:22 |
| jbicha | and https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736660 | 15:22 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 736660 in gnome-session "wayland session does not process .bash_profile" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 15:22 |
| ogra | (like a distributor can enhance gsettings defaults etc) | 15:22 |
| ogra | it should not process bash_profile for sure | 15:22 |
| ogra | that is for shells | 15:23 |
| ogra | but it should have a mechanism to adjust and enhance defaults that a distributor or even a developer of a GUI related service can use | 15:23 |
| ogra | (snapd would fall under the latter ... ubuntu in general would fall under the former) | 15:24 |
| jbicha | I don't really know, I was just pointing to a few things from gnome-session's commit log | 15:24 |
| ogra | yeah | 15:24 |
| ogra | using profile.d or bash_profile for such stuff is just wrong though ... | 15:24 |
| ogra | i could imagine logind having such a mechanism | 15:25 |
| seb128 | ogra, it's the new world, systemd/wayland/... those claiming that shell scripts are hack and that it's time to do without them | 15:25 |
| ogra | it needs to be something session wide and dedicated to wayland | 15:25 |
| seb128 | until they need some env | 15:25 |
| seb128 | and somebody adds back similar hacks :p | 15:25 |
| ogra | seb128, well, thats what i'm saying ... | 15:26 |
| seb128 | ogra, we are not going to sort that out today and meanwhile snaps are not working | 15:26 |
| ogra | seb128, i dont want to have to manage GUI stuff via profile.d or bash_profile or whatnot | 15:26 |
| seb128 | ogra, so let's merge that small script and then we can work on a better solution if you want | 15:26 |
| ogra | but that small script only sets it for login shells | 15:26 |
| ogra | does wayland process profile.d ? | 15:27 |
| ogra | (or the session manager wayland uses rather) | 15:27 |
| seb128 | ogra, gnome-session does I think | 15:28 |
| ogra | thats so wrong :P | 15:28 |
| ogra | but well, if it does, then yes, lets get it landed | 15:29 |
| seb128 | ogra, I guess we should use https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/environment.d.html | 15:30 |
| ogra | for gdm then ? or for whastever fires up systemd --user ? | 15:31 |
| ogra | seb128, find a second approver for https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3398 ... then it can be merged | 15:33 |
| Laney | environment.d is probably a good idea | 15:35 |
| seb128 | hey Laney, how are you? having fun in french-speaking-land? ;-) | 15:37 |
| Laney | oh hey seb128 | 15:37 |
| Laney | it's more french than I thought it would be | 15:37 |
| Laney | I thought it would be like people speak english but they have french/english signs and stuff | 15:38 |
| jbicha | more French than France? | 15:38 |
| Laney | but NOPE they actually speak french all the time | 15:38 |
| Laney | what a place to be | 15:38 |
| Laney | well they have great bagels, so that's a +1 on france already :-) | 15:38 |
| ogra | is there anyone in that country anyway ? i though they are all send on vacation | 15:39 |
| ogra | *sent | 15:39 |
| kenvandine | I just finished up the snapcraft office hours, showing off the gnome-3-24 platform snap :) | 15:40 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, hey Ken, had a good trip back and gnome-3-24 demo? ;-) | 16:00 |
| seb128 | ok desktopers, I'm still around a bit but getting out of work mode | 16:00 |
| kenvandine | good demo... trip was much too long :) | 16:00 |
| seb128 | I might still comment on backlog or email with delays but otherwise have a good w.e! | 16:01 |
| kenvandine | flight delayed leaving manchester, so my connection had to be rebooked and left me in Philly for 6 hours :( | 16:01 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, you should get some rest :-) | 16:01 |
| seb128 | urg :-/ | 16:01 |
| kenvandine | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EE3dmAX5Ro | 16:01 |
| kenvandine | link to the office hours demo :) | 16:01 |
| seb128 | I'm going to watch that one later | 16:01 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, have a good one! | 16:01 |
| kenvandine | hey oSoMoN! | 16:02 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, thanks, you too | 16:02 |
| oSoMoN | hey kenvandine! | 16:02 |
| * oSoMoN EOW | 16:22 | |
| oSoMoN | have a good week-end folks! | 16:22 |
| * kenvandine does a little dance | 16:57 | |
| kenvandine | gnome-3-24 platform snap works in 14.04 :-D | 16:57 |
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