=== Guest719 is now known as fredp === fredp is now known as Guest41615 [06:17] good morning desktoppers [06:31] Morning oSoMoN [06:39] morning oSoMoN [06:41] hey duflu, jamesh [07:00] good morning [07:02] good morning desktopers [07:03] hey oSoMoN duflu jamesh [07:03] re didrocks [07:03] re seb128 [07:04] hey didrocks, seb128 [07:28] hey desktopers [07:28] seb128, hi, https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+sourcepub/8140681/+listing-archive-extra [07:29] hey ricotz, how are you? [07:29] ricotz, thanks, I'm having a look to that one today [07:30] seb128, I am good :), and you? [07:30] I'm good thanks [07:31] this is probably interesting too https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+sourcepub/7961953/+listing-archive-extra [07:34] ricotz, you should open a sponsoring bug for the aptitude debdiff [07:44] duflu, was your battery icon tweaks that landed to ubuntu-themes supposed to be enough to make it look good? it somewhat still looks compressed/not nice in current artful [07:45] seb128, otop [07:45] otp [07:45] no hurry [07:45] d_idrocks would like to use the upstream icon instead, but yeah, then issue in unity as you pointed out on the bug [07:49] seb128, yeah my new icons are actually much better than it was (blurry). And it's only condensed for low-DPI screens. 1080p and above you get the old-style long battery. Because gnome-shell only picks 16px icons in low DPI [07:51] Sorry, correction: It's only condensed for scale 1.0. For higher scales you will get the old longer battery [07:52] it's quite disturbing on scale 1.0 [07:52] didrocks, it was much worse before :) [07:52] I don't know if for status icon we should just go with adwaita [07:52] and having per session overrides [07:52] bah, what's going on with my internet today [07:53] (so, unity will use unity) [07:53] or [07:53] duflu, so http://picpaste.com/battery-GQgpUM6v.png is how it's supposed to look or is that still buggy? [07:53] didrocks, adwaita's looks fine but will break Unity7 (varies between the adwaita one and ubuntu) [07:53] we can fix it for scale=1 [07:53] duflu: yeah, hence per-session override [07:53] hum, annoying for unity-greeter though… [07:53] if we care only about unity we could rename battery icons to append -unity [07:54] and change indicator-power to use that name [07:54] both greeter and session use the indicator [07:54] the issue is if other desktop are using -mono [07:54] right, I wrote "if we care only about unity" [07:54] do we know of other desktop using -mono? [07:54] Well, authoring 39 battery icons took some effort but if you can make it work then go nuts [07:55] duflu: what's the real fix without impacting unity? [07:55] not really sure I got everything from the bug report, apart that "we need to make them square and not lying on size" [07:55] (which would impact unity, correct?) [07:55] didrocks, what we have is the real fix that works with unity. The other real fix is to modify unity to load its own different names [07:55] ah [07:55] so, it's not only authoring [07:56] didrocks, no more icon design required. It would be *deleting* symlinks and modifying Unity code [07:58] ... then Gnome Shell would just use upstream-everything, and Unity would avoid accidentally loading Adwaita icons [08:03] chrisccoulson, good morning! chromium-browser 60.0.3112.78 is ready for testing and publication in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+packages === JanC is now known as Guest77859 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [08:32] oSoMoN, ack [08:32] although, that'll be a monday thing now [08:34] hey chrisccoulson, happy friday! how are you? [08:34] seb128, I'm not too bad thanks - just eating some bacon. How about you? [08:36] I'm good thanks :-) [08:39] we have sunshine at the moment! [08:47] nice [08:47] brb [08:48] chrisccoulson, sure, I wasn't expecting a Friday publication :) [08:49] bacon, yummy! [09:19] didrocks, another idea: Modify gnome-shell to accept non-square icons like our old ones [09:19] And to not constrain them to squares [09:20] I think Marco favoured that [09:22] o/ [09:22] re, sorry restarted session a few times [09:23] hey tsimonq2 [09:23] This is a fairly visible bug that the desktop team should be aware of that I have prepared a fix for and tested: bug 1133477 [09:23] bug 1133477 in gvfs (Ubuntu) "[SRU] cut-n-paste move files got stuck forever" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1133477 [09:23] Just needs a Core Developer to upload [09:24] I've been working with the Ubuntu MATE folks as Caja is affected by this as well. [09:25] It has complete SRU documentation and a debdiff attached to the bug report. I would upload it if I had the permissions. ;) [09:26] (maybe it's in the Desktop Team packageset, I don't know, but at minimum it's in main) [09:27] Any suggestions or help would certainly be appreciated :) [09:27] duflu: yeah, I don't know how much this is involved though [09:28] duflu: but knowing that it's already loading mostly icons from adwaita, maybe just having indicator-power loading unity-* icons [09:28] that's the less intrusive [09:28] didrocks, fair enough. I am drifting toward organizing dinner so would like to stop pondering the problem anyway [09:28] duflu: enjoy your dinner :) [09:29] tsimonq2, get a sponsoring bug in the queue, I can try to have a look if nobody beats me to it but it's probably not doing to be today [09:29] duflu, have a nice dinner and a good w.e! [09:29] seb128: Should be in the queue next time it updates [09:30] seb128: I can ask my usual Core Developer sponsor to upload it for me, but regardless I'd just like to make the Desktop Team aware ;) [09:31] seb128, thanks, but I'm not there yet [10:19] seb128: LocutusOfBorg uploaded it for me ;) [10:20] tsimonq2, great :-) [10:20] you guys start being active desktopers! [10:20] seb128: ;) [10:21] seb128: I just wish I had archive upload access so I didn't have to poke people... although I will apply for MOTU on August 14th :D [10:21] tsimonq2, right, keep going like that and you should get it without issue [10:22] seb128: The hardest part about that bug was filling out the SRU docs tbh, but look at how thorough I tried to be to minimize any questions later ;) [10:24] I think that's the most thorough I've ever been on a bug report... although it's like a 700 line diff :P [10:26] seb128: But I might just stick around in this channel so if I need to collab with the desktop team at all or vice versa, we can do so [10:57] tsimonq2, great, it's always good to have more people around and involved :-) [12:17] seb128: GNOME 3.24 can work with gjs 1.49 on mozjs52, we just get a lot of annoying warnings like comment 3 on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=785568 [12:17] Gnome bug 785568 in general "gnome-documents should use var instead of let/const for gjs 1.49.4" [Major,New] [12:46] Trevinho: do you remember the tool to test indicators? [12:46] desktoppers ^^^ [13:14] * kenvandine waves [13:14] kenvandine: good morning [13:22] previously I could just do a bzr pull request to get metapackages like https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-restricted-addons changes.. they don't have any recent commit activity.. do I just want to do a normal debdiff? [13:24] gQuigs: that branch is from Ubuntu Distributed Development which stopped working a while ago. Yes [13:25] jbicha: moved to git? or just do a debdiff? [13:29] currently there is no VCS for ubuntu-restricted-addons/extras [13:30] jbicha: k, thanks [13:37] freenode doesn't like me trying to connect via private internet access VPN [13:39] morning [13:40] hey Laney [13:40] hey kenvandine [13:40] get back ok? [13:40] yeah... lots of delays made for a long day [13:40] got in late last night [13:40] debconf going well? [13:47] there we go... just had to switch to SASL login for freenode :) [13:48] bit too much firefighting for my liking [13:48] but not too bad [14:04] seb128: are you fixing that ubiquity ftbfs? [14:04] cyphermox, in a meeting but after that if nobody beats me to it yes [14:05] seb128: ok, no rush [14:05] just checking :) [14:06] cyphermox, hey btw, any chance you could review https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox-plugin-alternative-toolbar/+bug/1703662 ? it's probably an easy mir request :-) [14:06] Ubuntu bug 1703662 in rhythmbox-plugin-alternative-toolbar (Ubuntu) "[MIR] rhythmbox-plugin-alternative-toolbar" [Wishlist,New] [14:07] sure [14:11] thanks [14:15] seb128: I proposed fixes for unity7+g++7 too [14:15] andyrock, great [14:25] didrocks, did you know of cases where picking "ubuntu on wayland" gives an xorg session? seems to happen when I tried to log with my test user atm, dunno if that's because there is already a session open or if something with the test user [14:27] seb128: I don't really know, you gave a reproduceable testcase, correct? [14:27] so, I was waiting to have some cycles working on this, but first, switching to wayland by default [14:27] well I can't login into wayland with that second user and will had a similar issue [14:27] the ubuntu on wayland gives an xorg session [14:27] we could have the list unsync due to our patch [14:27] I guess that needs debugging [14:27] I mentioned it in case you know about it being a known issue [14:28] I didn't see it, but someone else mentioned it on the channel [14:28] some folks on the forum were talking about the opposite problem: getting a Wayland session when they picked 'Ubuntu' [14:28] any variable that would be useful to print? [14:28] so yeah, I think it's a real bug [14:28] seb128: all gdm logs [14:28] with debug enabled [14:28] k [14:28] I'm going to open a bug [14:28] (but in a call atm) [14:28] but TBH, let's wait to revert this patch for session ordering [14:28] you did open one already [14:28] and assigned it to me [14:29] but the goal is to have: wayland by default, then, let's see if the issue is that the gdm list is at 2 places [14:31] btw, we still plan to have X by default for the live session for now, right? I'm thinking of gparted [14:34] yeah [14:34] apart if we have the time to work on it [14:34] (sudo apps running on wayland) [14:35] there is a workaround for pkexec, but I think there is justifiable hesitancy in applying itt: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/763531 [14:35] Gnome bug 763531 in overview "pkexec in .desktop no longer works" [Critical,Reopened] [14:36] didrocks, I did open one? forgot about it :-( [14:36] didrocks, but yeah waiting is fine no worry [14:36] seb128: no worry ;) yeah, I didn't tell you I was waiting on the switch once the decision was taken [14:37] seb128: my big guess again is that the 2 lists are unsynced somewhere in gdm code [14:38] jbicha: indeed, I read about that one, we'll see how it goes, but for now X on live is a working solution [14:38] (IMHO) === ogra_ is now known as ogra [15:15] seb128, might be faster to discuss this on IRC and then dump a summary into the forum ... doesnt the wayland session have any mechanism to set global env vars that we could use with snapd ? [15:16] (i.e. how is the non-modified XDG_DATA_DIRS set in a wayland session today) [15:20] I guess Flatpak had a similar problem: https://github.com/alexlarsson/xdg-app/issues/147 [15:22] jbicha, well, i guess everyone will have such a problem ... how are distributors supposed to set defaults for wayland sessions ... there must be some mechanism [15:22] and https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736660 [15:22] Gnome bug 736660 in gnome-session "wayland session does not process .bash_profile" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [15:22] (like a distributor can enhance gsettings defaults etc) [15:22] it should not process bash_profile for sure [15:23] that is for shells [15:23] but it should have a mechanism to adjust and enhance defaults that a distributor or even a developer of a GUI related service can use [15:24] (snapd would fall under the latter ... ubuntu in general would fall under the former) [15:24] I don't really know, I was just pointing to a few things from gnome-session's commit log [15:24] yeah [15:24] using profile.d or bash_profile for such stuff is just wrong though ... [15:25] i could imagine logind having such a mechanism [15:25] ogra, it's the new world, systemd/wayland/... those claiming that shell scripts are hack and that it's time to do without them [15:25] it needs to be something session wide and dedicated to wayland [15:25] until they need some env [15:25] and somebody adds back similar hacks :p [15:26] seb128, well, thats what i'm saying ... [15:26] ogra, we are not going to sort that out today and meanwhile snaps are not working [15:26] seb128, i dont want to have to manage GUI stuff via profile.d or bash_profile or whatnot [15:26] ogra, so let's merge that small script and then we can work on a better solution if you want [15:26] but that small script only sets it for login shells [15:27] does wayland process profile.d ? [15:27] (or the session manager wayland uses rather) [15:28] ogra, gnome-session does I think [15:28] thats so wrong :P [15:29] but well, if it does, then yes, lets get it landed [15:30] ogra, I guess we should use https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/environment.d.html [15:31] for gdm then ? or for whastever fires up systemd --user ? [15:33] seb128, find a second approver for https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3398 ... then it can be merged [15:35] environment.d is probably a good idea [15:37] hey Laney, how are you? having fun in french-speaking-land? ;-) [15:37] oh hey seb128 [15:37] it's more french than I thought it would be [15:38] I thought it would be like people speak english but they have french/english signs and stuff [15:38] more French than France? [15:38] but NOPE they actually speak french all the time [15:38] what a place to be [15:38] well they have great bagels, so that's a +1 on france already :-) [15:39] is there anyone in that country anyway ? i though they are all send on vacation [15:39] *sent [15:40] I just finished up the snapcraft office hours, showing off the gnome-3-24 platform snap :) [16:00] kenvandine, hey Ken, had a good trip back and gnome-3-24 demo? ;-) [16:00] ok desktopers, I'm still around a bit but getting out of work mode [16:00] good demo... trip was much too long :) [16:01] I might still comment on backlog or email with delays but otherwise have a good w.e! [16:01] flight delayed leaving manchester, so my connection had to be rebooked and left me in Philly for 6 hours :( [16:01] kenvandine, you should get some rest :-) [16:01] urg :-/ [16:01] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EE3dmAX5Ro [16:01] link to the office hours demo :) [16:01] I'm going to watch that one later [16:01] seb128, have a good one! [16:02] hey oSoMoN! [16:02] oSoMoN, thanks, you too [16:02] hey kenvandine! [16:22] * oSoMoN EOW [16:22] have a good week-end folks! [16:57] * kenvandine does a little dance [16:57] gnome-3-24 platform snap works in 14.04 :-D === JanC_ is now known as JanC