[00:00] <cmanns> I dont get why ubuntu chose to install bootloader to a drive I never told it to. Why it wouldnt go on the usb drive makes no sense.
[00:00] <psychoticwarrior> yea not sure
[00:00] <cmanns> Now I risk ruining my windows boot by trying undo what it did
[00:01] <cmanns> TL;DR Windows 10 randomly killed it's own UEFI on my primary drive (SSD) and botched my MacOS UEFI hackint0sh bootloader. So I was already half screwed but felt safe that ubuntu wouldnt do like PC-BSD did to me (similar to this) now I know to disable all drives before installing ubuntu again
[00:29] <psychoticwarrior> pulseaudio -D rules
[00:29] <psychoticwarrior> kicks asss
[00:30] <reisio> isn't using it as a daemon the ordinary way?
[00:30] <psychoticwarrior> yea whatever
[00:31] <reisio> :D
[01:01] <psychoticwarrior> reisio whats up
[01:02] <reisio> heyo
[01:02] <reisio> kinda poking casually at things worth doing; you?
[01:07] <psychoticwarrior> chillen watching live pd its entertainng
[01:08] <reisio> pd?
[01:08] <psychoticwarrior> police department
[01:08] <psychoticwarrior> cops show
[01:09] <reisio> ah
[01:09] <F4RR3LL> cops show xD
[01:09] <reisio> I hate cops
[01:09] <F4RR3LL> thats their job now, to entertain
[01:09] <reisio> little kids with tiny IQs who were bullied in school and given lethal weapons :p
[01:09] <reisio> yeah I guess
[01:09] <reisio> but they're too dumb to know that, so I'd rather not encourage them
[01:10] <F4RR3LL> its typical american
[01:10] <F4RR3LL> in everything they see oportunity to business
[01:10] <F4RR3LL> money everything even the law enforcement
[01:10] <F4RR3LL> make it as a show
[01:10] <reisio> that's true, it's the american dream
[01:10] <reisio> buy something, sell it to a sucker for more than it's worth
[01:10] <reisio> get rich
[01:11] <reisio> shit on everything, die before the environment is toxic
[01:11] <F4RR3LL> u want an advice? invest in bitcoin, its the gold 2.0
[01:11] <F4RR3LL> gather many btc as u can
[01:11] <psychoticwarrior> yea fuck cops
[01:11] <psychoticwarrior> i hate coops
[01:11] <F4RR3LL> even if u have to buy it
[01:11] <psychoticwarrior> cops
[01:11] <F4RR3LL> soon, this money empire, their money empire will fall
[01:11] <F4RR3LL> and papers will have no value no more
[01:12] <psychoticwarrior> what do you mean there money empire
[01:12] <F4RR3LL> dollars. eur
[01:12] <reisio> bitcoin is a pyramid scheme
[01:12] <F4RR3LL> who govern them
[01:12] <F4RR3LL> do u think? xD
[01:12] <reisio> and a particularly unstable one at that
[01:12] <psychoticwarrior> yea probably
[01:12] <reisio> for either reason I'd never have anything to do with it
[01:12] <F4RR3LL> so as dollar and euro
[01:12] <F4RR3LL> all of currencie
[01:12] <reisio> there are easier ways to make money if that's what you're about, anyway
[01:12] <F4RR3LL> are pyramids
[01:12] <reisio> like: stealing
[01:13] <F4RR3LL> what do u think u are doing from monday to friday?
[01:13] <F4RR3LL> u are building their financial pyramid
[01:13] <F4RR3LL> they make u believe u earn money
[01:13] <psychoticwarrior> are you saying by watching this show?
[01:13] <F4RR3LL> no in fact u are running the money for them
[01:13] <F4RR3LL> we are all but slaves of the system
[01:13] <psychoticwarrior> yes we are
[01:13] <F4RR3LL> pharaohs did the same with their pyramid
[01:13] <F4RR3LL> they now do the same, nothng changed
[01:13] <reisio> sure sure, but
[01:13] <F4RR3LL> XXI slavery
[01:13] <reisio> I'm doing it via the status quo
[01:14] <bazhang> F4RR3LL, stay on topic
[01:14] <reisio> it's not the same as growing a massive hardon for something that is 1) as bad as the status quo, & also 2) worse, because it's a pyramid scheme
[01:14] <F4RR3LL> bazhang: its the topic? lol
[01:14] <bazhang> reisio, F4RR3LL psychoticwarrior take the chatter elsewhere
[01:15] <psychoticwarrior> why
[01:15] <psychoticwarrior> we are having a good convo
[01:15] <reisio> F4RR3LL: also it's worth knowing that on this network, IRC channel ops are encouraged to pretend they aren't ops while they give warnings
[01:15] <bazhang> psychoticwarrior, this is support only
[01:15] <psychoticwarrior> for sure
[01:15] <reisio> that way when they kickban you, it's an hilarious surprise to you
[01:16] <mindofmateo> I am trying to update Ubuntu 14.04 on a computer that hasn't been updated since last year.  It fails when done through terminal or through the Software Updater.  It says: "Failed to download packages, Check your internet connection."  Any idea what's wrong?  I even switched the repo to Main Server in settings.
[01:16] <F4RR3LL> bazhang: its 3 in morning, give us a break will ya :) lol
[01:16] <F4RR3LL> seriously
[01:16] <psychoticwarrior> yes its unsupported
[01:16] <psychoticwarrior> what you should do is burn 16.04 disk
[01:16] <psychoticwarrior> and update it to dist-upgrade
[01:16] <psychoticwarrior> to 17.04
[01:17] <bazhang> F4RR3LL, this is not the chat channel no matter the timezone for you
[01:17] <psychoticwarrior> its unsupported
[01:17] <mindofmateo> Ugh, I feel so dumb now.  When was the date it fell out of support?  Just curious.
[01:17] <psychoticwarrior> not sure
[01:17] <psychoticwarrior> awhile ago
[01:17] <psychoticwarrior> you need to download imgburn
[01:17] <bazhang> !14.04
[01:18] <psychoticwarrior> burn the disc and update to 16.04
[01:18] <bazhang> psychoticwarrior, 14.04 is fully supported
[01:18] <mindofmateo> I put off changing this laptop to 16.04 because I had some issues with my PC changing to 16.04.
[01:18] <psychoticwarrior> really
[01:18] <psychoticwarrior> i always had problems with it
[01:18] <bex> hello. i was here the other day. cant boot into ubuntu, getting the error "end kernel panic - not syncing VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block" . someone told me to pastebin my results of bootinfoscript so here you go. https://pastebin.com/Qt1nbic0
[01:18] <psychoticwarrior> 17.04 works great :)
[01:18] <bazhang> psychoticwarrior, if you have no idea, then please do not offer any commentary at all
[01:19] <F4RR3LL> bazhang: is the great example of the slave of the system :)
[01:19] <F4RR3LL> no offense
[01:21] <psychoticwarrior> ok well i always had problems updating 14.04. it has issues. when i upgraded to 16.04 and 17.04 it worked
[01:22] <mindofmateo> bazhang:  I was confused there for a sec.  I was under the impression that 14 would be supported for 4 years.
[01:22] <mindofmateo> bazhang:  Do you know what is causing this failure to udpate?
[01:22] <bazhang> mindofmateo, five years
[01:22] <psychoticwarrior> try
[01:23] <psychoticwarrior> terminal
[01:23] <psychoticwarrior> apt dist-upgrade
[01:23] <psychoticwarrior> or apt full-upgrade
[01:23] <psychoticwarrior> it worked for me
[01:24] <mindofmateo> Ok I tried dist-upgrade and I see that it's getting hung up on a Chrome update, 404 error.\
[01:24] <hggdh> mindofmateo: first of all, you need to apt update
[01:24] <bazhang> mindofmateo, google chrome?
[01:24] <mindofmateo> I have updated
[01:24] <mindofmateo> yes
[01:25] <bazhang> mindofmateo, what about removing that google repo and trying again
[01:26] <psychoticwarrior> yea try apt update
[01:26] <psychoticwarrior> i agree with your advice
[01:26] <mindofmateo> How d I remove that repository?
[01:26] <psychoticwarrior> cd /etc/sources.list
[01:26] <psychoticwarrior> pico /etc/sources.list
[01:27] <psychoticwarrior> paste your output
[01:27] <mindofmateo> Just to be clear, you want me to link to the paste of that output?
[01:27] <psychoticwarrior> yea whats your repositories
[01:27] <Al3xG0> is possible unlock tasks in kernel ubuntu?
[01:28] <psychoticwarrior> im not sure about that
[01:28] <Al3xG0> is possible unlock tasks/socks in kernel ubuntu?
[01:29] <mindofmateo> I got no directory: sources.list
[01:31] <bazhang> mindofmateo, it's in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:31] <bazhang> mindofmateo, its a text to edit
[01:36] <Jordan_U> mindofmateo: This is most likely a known problem with Google changing their key. See: https://askubuntu.com/questions/599112/google-chrome-ppa-upgrade-invalid-signature .
[01:37] <psychoticwarrior> back
[01:37] <psychoticwarrior> the reps are in /etc/apt
[01:37] <mindofmateo> Ha, I was just reading that!  Thank you
[01:37] <psychoticwarrior> sources.list
[01:39] <Jordan_U> mindofmateo: You're welcome.
[01:40] <mindofmateo> Alright, while that's working, I have another question.  This notification/popup keeps appearing titled Unlock Login Keyring, saying "The password you use to log into your computer no longer matches that of your login keyring."  I don't remember ever setting up a keyring.  Why is this showing up?
[01:55] <Jordan_U> mindofmateo: A keyring is setup by default for storing things like wireless passwords. Have you changed your login password or enabled automatic login?
[01:56] <mindofmateo> I just checked setings, and it's set to off, as expected.  I am reading that some others have faced this issue when using chrome/chromium.  It only seems to show up after I load chrome.
[01:58] <bex> i can't boot into ubuntu, getting the error "end kernel panic - not syncing VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block" . someone told me to pastebin my results of bootinfoscript so here you go. paste.ubuntu.com/25251160/
[01:59] <bex> Jordan_U i think it was you
[02:00] <Jordan_U> bex: For some reason you don't have any initramfs files in /boot/.
[02:01] <bex> yea i vaguely remember googling for help on something and it said to delete them i think
[02:01] <bex> obv i don't know what i'm doing
[02:03] <mindofmateo> Next time: backups
[02:03] <bex> so i have to reinstall?
[02:05] <mindofmateo> I wouldn't say that just yet, but I'm not the one you should be asking for expert advice.
[02:05] <Jordan_U> bex: No, this can be fixed. But in the future rather than deleting files just rename them or move them somewhere else so that they can easily be restored. Also, deleting your initrd files will never help with Ubuntu.
[02:06] <Jordan_U> bex: Are you currently booted into a LiveUSB?
[02:07] <bex> yea booting back up
[02:08] <mindofmateo> bex:  I gotta go, but best of luck to you.
[02:14] <Jordan_U> bex: sudo pvscan && sudo vgscan && && sudo vgchange -a y && sudo lvscan
[02:16] <bex> connect failed
[02:17] <bex> then it shows root and swap as active
[02:22] <growp> this os sucks
[02:22] <reisio> what Windows?
[02:22] <growp> no
[02:22] <growp> ubuntu
[02:23] <growp> ubuntu is debian + shit ads
[02:23] <reisio> yeah but you're on Windows
[02:23] <growp> lol
[02:23] <growp> you realize that i changed my headers in my irc client
[02:23] <bazhang> growp, wrong channel
[02:24] <imdaroy> u right about ubuntu with unity, change your DE
[02:26] <growp> my de right now is debian 9.1
[02:26] <growp> i highly recommend it
[02:26] <growp> the interface is almost as ugly as ubuntu's though
[02:27] <bazhang> growp, thats not topical here, please take the chatter elsewhere
[02:28] <RonWhoCares> I just switched to Dvorak.  now all the short cuts don't work --- such as CTRL C > CTRL P  Any ideas?
[02:32] <reisio> switch back
[02:48] <bex> Jordan_U is there anything else?
[02:49] <Jordan_U> bex: sudo mount /dev/mapper/root /mnt
[02:52] <bex> it does not exist
[02:54] <bex> Jordan_U
[02:55] <Jordan_U> bex: Please pastebin the output of "sudo blkid".
[03:00] <MittensCleaning> tryin to activate Korean on ubuntu desktop
[03:00] <MittensCleaning> let's see...
[03:01]  * MittensCleaning goes to settings, then keyboard
[03:02] <MittensCleaning> I don't see it
[03:02] <MittensCleaning> hellowwcan anyone kindly help me use Korean on ubuntu please
[03:02] <MittensCleaning> ^-^;
[03:03] <bazhang> MittensCleaning, get ibus
[03:03] <bex> Jordan_U i think i got it mounted
[03:04] <MittensCleaning> bazhang ibus
[03:04] <bazhang> MittensCleaning, then add the necessary dictionaries
[03:04] <MittensCleaning> okay! I will try that thanku
[03:04] <bazhang> MittensCleaning, configure it, then , and this is key, you have to restart ibus
[03:04] <MittensCleaning> o.O
[03:05] <bazhang> !ibus
[03:05] <bazhang> MittensCleaning, see above
[03:05] <MittensCleaning> ok thanku, I'm looking for it
[03:05] <MittensCleaning> <3 <3
[03:06] <MittensCleaning> no ibus installed so...
[03:06]  * MittensCleaning looks for it online
[03:10] <Jordan_U> bex: Great. Where is it mounted to?
[03:10] <MittensCleaning> this is so confusing
[03:11] <MittensCleaning> there's no simple "download ibus" button xD
[03:11] <MittensCleaning> what have I done... by replacing win10 with ubuntu D
[03:11] <reisio> better OS, worse color scheme
[03:12] <MittensCleaning> hehe
[03:12] <reisio> the latter is more easily fixed, at least
[03:12] <MittensCleaning> so, in order to download certain features, we go thru more complicated processes
[03:12] <MittensCleaning> I seeeeeee
[03:13] <reisio> which features?
[03:13] <MittensCleaning> I'm glad to be learning about computah, still.
[03:13] <MittensCleaning> well I want to be able to read, type in Korean
[03:13] <bex> Jordan_U https://pastebin.com/4KMJTBmL
[03:13] <reisio> there are little applet switcheroos for that
[03:14] <MittensCleaning> apples and switchfood
[03:14] <MittensCleaning> ok
[03:14] <Jordan_U> bex: sudo mount /dev/mapper/plexa--vg-root /mnt/
[03:14] <MittensCleaning> reading somethin on askubuntu.com
[03:15] <bex> ok i did t hat
[03:15] <MittensCleaning> oooo
[03:15] <MittensCleaning> I think I'm making somethin happen rght now
[03:16] <Jordan_U> bex: for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
[03:16] <MittensCleaning> "in the unity launcher, type in input"
[03:16] <EleanorEllis> What chat programs would you recommend? I want something that will do Facebook and google hangouts as well as IRC. Whatsapp would be good too
[03:17] <MittensCleaning> "go to language support and select different formats to add to your profile by clickin install/remove lang"
[03:17] <MittensCleaning> this is amazing!
[03:17] <MittensCleaning> figured there had to be an easier way
[03:17] <MittensCleaning> <3
[03:17] <reisio> think google uses proprietary nonsense
[03:17] <reisio> facebook is still xmpp based for now, IIRC
[03:17]  * reisio shrugs
[03:18] <MittensCleaning> whatever u said sound sexy, like french
[03:18] <Jordan_U> EleanorEllis: If you use IRC much at all then I would recommmend using a dedicated IRC client. For whatever reason, general purpose chat clients tend to be really clunky when it comes to using them for IRC.
[03:18] <EleanorEllis> google also uses xmpp but I know Facebook changed their authorisation
[03:18] <MittensCleaning> I'm installing Korean :3
[03:18] <reisio> facebook is good at that
[03:18] <MittensCleaning> WOOT WOOT
[03:18] <reisio> w00tpie
[03:19] <bex> ok did that Jordan_U
[03:19] <MittensCleaning> wootilicious
[03:29] <nickell> hello. can somebody help me with the command to update caddy?
[03:30] <MittensCleaning> I got my korean keyboard WOOT WOOT
[03:30] <MittensCleaning> thanks yall! <3
[03:35] <reisio> nickell: caddy?
[03:36] <nickell> yea reisio
[03:36] <reisio> oh caddy
[03:38] <nickell> reisio: any ideas?
[03:39] <reisio> what's caddy?
[03:46] <Jordan_U> bex: sudo chroot /mnt/
[03:46] <Jordan_U> bex: Your prompt should change from "$ " to "# ".
[03:51] <nickell> it's a web server
[03:56] <Jordan_U> bex: If that works then you're three commands away from a working system: "mount -a" "update-initramfs -c -k all" and "update-grub"
[03:58] <bex> got some errors on the second one
[03:58] <Jordan_U> bex: Please pastebin them.
[03:58] <bex> not sure how to do that
[03:59] <bex> i think i can figure it out give me a few
[04:02] <bex> Jordan_U https://pastebin.com/EDHhRDh2
[04:03] <bex> ah thats only part of it
[04:06] <bex> depmod: ERORO: Bad version passed version
[04:07] <bex> no such directory /lib/modules/4.4.0-62-generic
[04:08] <Jordan_U> bex: Did you delete any other files/directories when you deleted the initrd images?
[04:08] <bex> i dont remember
[04:08] <bex> i dont think so
[04:09] <Jordan_U> bex: Do you have any initrd images in /boot/ now?
[04:10] <bex> initrd.img-4.4.0-62-generic
[04:11] <bex> initrd.img-version
[04:15] <Jordan_U> bex: What release of Ubuntu is this?
[04:18] <Jordan_U> bex: Please pastebin the output of "dpkg -l | grep linux-image" .
[04:24] <bex> i dont see any output
[04:25] <bex> Jordan_U
[04:26] <Jordan_U> bex: Then at some point you removed all of your kernel packages. That is not a good idea.
[04:26] <Jordan_U> bex: apt install linux-image-generic
[04:30] <bex> failed to fetch file. i think maybe my sources.list is not right
[04:33] <Jordan_U> bex: Open another terminal (keep this one open) and run "sudo mount --bind /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/etc/resolv.conf"
[04:34] <Jordan_U> bex: Then try "sudo apt install linux-image-generic" again (in the first terminal, the one with the "# " prompt to be sure it runs in the chroot).
[04:38] <bex> i dont know how to open another terminal
[04:40] <leaftype> bex, ctrl Alt t
[04:40] <bex> i tried that
[04:40] <bex> i'm in live cd recovery mode or something
[04:40] <bex> rescue mode
[04:41] <leaftype> right click launcher icon
[04:41] <bex> i dont havea gui
[04:41] <leaftype> OH!
[04:41] <leaftype> ctrl alt f6
[04:42] <leaftype> f1 through f6 are command line options in x, and f7 is generally used for the gui
[04:46] <bex> those arent working
[04:46] <bex> oh
[04:46] <bex> wait
[04:47] <bex> was doing shift instead of alt
[04:47] <leaftype> lol, glad to figure that one out
[04:47] <bex> well
[04:47] <bex> i cant type
[04:48] <bex> n evermind f2 works
[04:51] <bex> f1 - f4 look like different things
[04:51] <leaftype> bex, what are you trying to do?
[04:52] <bex> Jordan_U said to open another terminal
[05:00] <leaftype> ah, before I joined
[05:01] <Jordan_U> bex: We can just exit the chroot and re-enter it if opening another terminal isn't working.
[05:03] <Jordan_U> bex: Are you back at the terminal that has the "# " prompt?
[05:04] <bex> yea
[05:05] <Jordan_U> bex: Ok. Run "exit"
[05:06] <bex> ok it takes me back to the rescue mode menu
[05:06] <Jordan_U> bex: It didn't just bring you back to a shell with a "$ " prompt?
[05:08] <bex> no
[05:08] <leaftype> what happened, why are we in rescue mode anyways?
[05:10] <bex> theres a shell option directly in the main menu but apt doesnt work
[05:11] <bex> apt : not found
[05:12] <leaftype> oh fun
[05:12] <Jordan_U> leaftype: I honestly don't know why bex is in rescue mode rather than a normal LiveUSB session. The initial problem that bex  came in with was that they were getting kernel panics attempting to mount their root fs at boot. Since then we've discovered that they followed some directions and deleted all of their initrd images from /boot/, then I discovered that they don't have any kernel packages installed
[05:12] <Jordan_U> at all. I thought that I had discovered that in a chroot I had him get to to be able to rebuild the initramfs images.
[05:13] <leaftype> ... for simplicity, how much data would we lose if we just said "use a liveusb and reinstall the os"?
[05:13] <Jordan_U> leaftype: That's what I was about to ask :)
[05:13] <bex> thats what i'm thinking maybe
[05:14] <bex> i'm trying to think
[05:14] <leaftype> It's one of those cases of "yeah, there might be a way to do surgery, but the great thing about computers is that we can just say "screw it" and restart
[05:15] <bex> i have a lot of data but i cant remember if its on a separte hard drive
[05:15] <Jordan_U> bex: I hope from this that you've learned to be more careful in what you're doing, and also document what you do.
[05:15] <leaftype> also, backups are awesome
[05:16] <bex> backups of everything? I dont have space for that
[05:16] <leaftype> bex, second hard drive
[05:16] <bex> how do i see how many i have
[05:17] <bex> this would suck if i lose everything
[05:17] <leaftype> bex, you probably have one. However, you could type lsblk
[05:17] <leaftype> most computers come with one, because it's all you technically need
[05:18] <bex> ok i just realized i downloaded the server version
[05:18] <bex> i can try making a new livedisk
[05:19] <bex> yea but i replaced it, i just dont know if i took the first one out or added to it
[05:19] <leaftype> bex, type lsblk
[05:19] <bex> i did
[05:19] <leaftype> and?
[05:20] <leaftype> if you have more than one, you'd have sda, sdb, etc.
[05:20] <bex> what is sr0
[05:21] <bex> it looks like a 5 tb drive and then theres my usb sticks adn then something called sr0
[05:21] <Jordan_U> bex: I don't think you've lost any data at this point (unless you lost data when you installed Ubuntu initially), but you'll have to be careful to avoid losing it in the near and far future. Also, data that only exists in one place could be lost any number of ways, from random hard drive failure (which happens) to user error, to house fire, to hundreds of other possibilities. If you have data that you
[05:22] <Jordan_U> value highly it should be backed up. You have to decide if your data is worth more to you than the cost of buying more hard drives or buying cloud storage, but understand that if you constantly work without backups you *will* lose data eventually.
[05:22] <bex> its not the end of the world
[05:22] <leaftype> bex, ah... IIRC it's likely a CD drive. Jordan_U or others know more though i guarantee
[05:22] <bex> yea maybe
[05:22] <Jordan_U> Indeed, /dev/sr0 would be an optical drive.
[05:28] <bex> ok thanks for your help today
[05:28] <Jordan_U> bex: You're welcome.
[05:29] <leaftype> it's times like this I re-evaluate how useful some things I've learned are. "this is useless and will never be useful" turns into "oh yeah, I this makes sense, because of that thing I learned"
[05:37] <inerkick> Hi Guys. I installed Lubuntu on my Toshiba c640 laptop. It got overheating issue. I did install TLP as well as psensors and lm-sensors. But it's still heating up like crazy and automatically shuts down. I even got the laptop serviced few days ago and they even got a cooling agent applied to the CPU. Kindly help how to get the heating working properly. At this moment the temperature fluctuates as shown and if it even slightly goes above 80C chances are it
[05:37] <inerkick> shuts down automatically . https://pastebin.com/6Z9bWpmZ
[05:39] <leaftype> inerkick, is the fan spinning up automatically?
[05:39] <inerkick> i think so. Im not sure
[05:39] <inerkick> it is I believe leaftype
[05:39] <inerkick> the service agent once said, fan sometimes stops and sometimes works.
[05:40] <leaftype> inerkick, do you hear it when the laptop first starts up?
[05:40] <inerkick> yeah i hear it
[05:41] <leaftype> eh... have you googled around for firmware updates etc?
[05:41] <inerkick> No.
[05:42] <inerkick> I was using Ubuntu 16.04, the forum on reddit channel suggested me to try Ubuntu 17.04. I was indeed using 14.04 before. So I just installed Lubuntu 17.04 and it's still the same
[05:44] <leaftype> whenever I think about overheating laptops, I'm thinking a fan problem. When I think fan problem, I think driver or firmware issue. When I think driver of firmware issue, I think "either someone has solved this and I never had to worry about it, or it's going to be a bullshit journey"
[05:45] <inerkick> So what do you reckon I should do? Check with Fan's driver and update ? firmware issue?
[05:46] <sary> inerkick: Hyia , which CPU is it , are you bootin the kernel with a parameter like nomodeset or acpi=off ! also did you try fancontrol and thermald .. in lubuntu there is a CPUfreq option on the panel .. try swtiching to powersave or a different freq.
[05:46] <inerkick> i installed thermald
[05:47] <inerkick> I tried few of the things mentioned here https://itsfoss.com/reduce-overheating-laptops-linux/
[05:48] <leaftype> inerkick, does it overheat even when running at a lower cpu frequency?
[05:48] <inerkick> I haven't checked ACPI off or not
[05:50] <sary> ok, what does $ cat /etc/default/gru , GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= ".." has in it!
[05:50] <Jordan_U> inerkick: Have you tried reproducing this problem in Windows?
[05:51] <inerkick> No I haven't used Windows since long time
[05:51] <inerkick> Are you asked me to check that company , sary
[05:51] <ubone> do you have TLP ?
[05:51] <inerkick> yes , I have TLP
[05:53] <Jordan_U> inerkick: Generally, there isn't anything that you should be able to do in software that would cause correctly functioning hardware to overheat. I would ask in ##hardware .
[05:55] <inerkick> I agree about that, but I was thinking if there is any issue with fan speed. Why were you suggesting about Windows? Do that address this issue in anyway possible?
[05:57] <maddogz> hi
[05:58] <maddogz> how to enable dvd driver on ubunu?
[05:58] <maddogz> i ran Disk and its there. but i inserted dvd disc nothing happen.
[05:58] <Jordan_U> inerkick: If it were a driver problem, and I don't think it is, then you would likely be able to confirm that by using the OS that the machine was sold with and seeing that it doesn't overheat.
[05:59] <inerkick> The machine didn't came with OS infact.
[05:59] <maddogz> i can type eject on terminal and it works
[05:59] <Jordan_U> maddogz: Can you see the files in the file manager (nautilus)?
[05:59] <inerkick> Will ACPI enabling does any good? Jordan_U
[05:59] <maddogz> Jardan_U nothing . no drive
[06:00] <sary> inerkick: what company! please paste the output of $ cat /etc/default/grub , and sudo lshw -C cpu . into https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[06:01] <Jordan_U> inerkick: Well, ACPI is generally a good thing to have. Did you disable it? If so, why?
[06:01] <inerkick> I haven't touched anything of that
[06:02] <Jordan_U> inerkick: Then you probably already have ACPI enabled, as that is the default.
[06:03] <inerkick> sary, https://paste.ubuntu.com/25252643/ check this
[06:03] <inerkick> ok, Jordan_U
[06:08] <inerkick> Does that help anyways sary to find what might be the issue?
[06:09] <Jordan_U> maddogz: Please pastebin the output of "sudo mount /dev/sr0 /mnt/" then the output of "dmesg".
[06:11] <maddogz> Jordan U mount no medium dev/sr0
[06:13] <Jordan_U> maddogz: Please paste the output of "dmesg" into https://pastebin.ubuntu.com and post the link here.
[06:13] <Jordan_U> maddogz: Is the disk severely scratched? Are you trying to use a blue-ray disk in a DVD drive? Does the drive spin up at all?
[06:14] <sary> inerkick: ok, that looks ok , the system is booting with the default , as in ACPI and KMS are enabled so that's good for the Intel cpu , no am looking at the intel cpu and the laptop specs it has an on-board built-in Intel HD Graphics Iris .. this is the laptop right http://www.toshiba.eu/discontinued-products/satellite-c640-118/ , if so it has a discret ATI GPU ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 5470 .. so i would
[06:14] <sary> check in the BIOS of you could Disable the on board Intel graphics , and boot with the ATI Radeon one only ..
[06:15] <inerkick> I didn't had OS before, and I'm not sure I ahd TI Radeon
[06:16] <maddogz> Jordan_U https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25252705/
[06:17] <inerkick> I am not sure I had ATI mobility Radeon . but that laptop looks like mine
[06:17] <sary> inerkick: or ves versa , disable the ATI and boot only with the Intel one .. see if that makes a difference .. also Make sure the heatsink/vent system is not dusty..
[06:17] <sary> ok , what does lspci | grep VGA shows ..
[06:18] <inerkick> I got the laptop serviced just 2 days ago and lspci | grep VGA shows this. 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[06:19] <ubone> maddogz: whats on the dvd
[06:19] <maddogz> dvd movie
[06:20] <maddogz> brand new disc
[06:20] <ubone> libdvdread or something,
[06:21] <ubone> install vlc it should pull it
[06:22] <ubone> also replace cdrkit with cdrtools , there is a ppa for it
[06:23] <sary> inerkick: ok good .. am thinking it may be the graphics card (gpu), connected to the same heat sink as the cpu, that causes the shutdown. And the gpu will only overheat when cpu is not getting very stressed/hot and thus the fan is not running fast enough to keep the gpu from overheating!
[06:23] <ubone> you could maybe have a lower mhz profile for the gpu
[06:24] <inerkick> so what you suggest, sary
[06:25] <ubone> sary: dmesg , look for power state
[06:25] <ubone> oh its for inerkick
[06:26] <ubone> you can switch profiles in /ets/default/tlp
[06:28] <psychoticwarrior> anybody still up?
[06:30] <sary> inerkick: The laptop isn't connected to an external monitor , or is it!
[06:30] <darme> Hello. I am using Ubuntu Gnome. My laptop is docked and lid is usually closed. When I start computer with lid closed, it starts with built-in screen on. I have to open and then close laptop lid for built-in screen go off. It bugs me out. Where could I look for solution for my problem? I've tried to google, but google does not understand my problem, it thinks I want to prevent laptop from going to sleep when I close lid.
[06:35] <ubone> tweaks
[06:35] <ubone> power > suspend on lid close
[06:37] <ubone> does 'blank screen' also affect your external screen?
[06:39] <inerkick> no, it's not connected to any external monitor, sary
[06:39] <sary> inerkick: my next seggustion would be to boot with the ubuntu 16.04 64bit mini iso , and check if the fans are running fine .. if it does the continue, but you must be connected to wired ethernet to install.. when you reach the software installation highligh the desktop DE you want xubuntu-desktop , or lubuntu-desktop by pressing the space key , then ok .it simply goes like this:
[06:39] <sary> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U42Ln3k7VK0&t=327s
[06:41] <sary> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[06:41] <psychoticwarrior> I love my 17.04
[06:44] <sary> inerkick: also , check if the fans running normal if unplugging the battery or the AC.. !
[06:45] <ubone> is the fan clean
[06:45] <inerkick> My battery isn't in a good condition. I need to replace it, it's always running on AC, sary
[06:46] <sary> good question ubone ..
[06:46] <inerkick> The thing is, when I start using browser and multiple apps, the system gets overheated and all of a sudden it shuts down
[06:47] <sary> damnit Toshiba! it's a new laptop you say ..
[06:47] <ubone> set the gpu profile to powersave
[06:47] <sary> well , check the cpu usege activities , run top or system monitor ..
[06:48] <ubone> or battery
[06:48] <inerkick> Toshiba really screwed millions of laptops right now, sary. They really need to get back all of what they made and give a better service
[06:49] <ubone> the suspense is killing me
[06:50] <ubone> if you use the ATi gpu you - do you have radeon.dpm=1 in grub
[06:50] <sary> if the laptop is still under warranty.. i would flip-mode on them!
[06:50] <ubone> did you check the available power states in dmesg? did you try any of them in tlp?
[06:52] <sary> inerkick: what does dmesg | grep -i Toshiba , shows..
[06:53] <inerkick> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25252885/ sary
[06:56] <ubone> inerkick: look in /etc/default/tlp enable powersave/battery for radeon , add radeon.dpm=1 to grub
[06:57] <inerkick> kind guide me through ubone
[06:58] <inerkick> I wonder if I am having Radeon in my laptop, ubone
[06:58] <ubone> lspci
[06:59] <inerkick> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25252911/ ubone
[07:01] <ubone> no radeon, only intel
[07:02] <inerkick> yes
[07:02] <inerkick> That's what sary too said
[07:03] <ubone> "this is the laptop right http://www.toshiba.eu/discontinued-products/satellite-c640-118/ , if so it has a discret ATI GPU ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 5470 .. so i would
[07:03] <ubone> check in the BIOS of you could Disable the on board Intel graphics , and boot with the ATI Radeon one only ."
[07:15] <uebera||> Hi. Does the 16.04.3 HWE stack (Linux 4.10 kernel) come with livepatch support?
[07:15] <sary> uebera||: you may want to ask in #ubuntu-kernel .
[07:16] <uebera||> sary: will do, thx.
[07:22] <pressure679> To enable gpu modesetting by driver or by kernel grub parameters.
[07:23] <pressure679> They both work, and I skimmed through the xorg.0.log, it seems like they overlap each other.
[07:23] <pressure679> But I just skimmed.
[07:24] <pressure679> - at least the PC booted fine by both using the nomodeset and <driver>.modeset kms in grub.
[07:24] <pressure679> Ah the freedom.
[07:26] <sary> pressure679: Intel, Nouveau, ATI and AMDGPU drivers already enable KMS automatically for all chipsets, so you need not install it manually. if you boot with nomodeset , then KNS will be dsiabled.
[07:26] <sary> s/KNS/KMS *
[07:40] <pressure679> - xorg does not store a configuration file in /etc/X11 any more, but the folder /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d still has some.
[07:41] <dionysus69> hey
[07:42] <dionysus69> i have a situation
[07:42] <psychoticwarrior> what is it?
[07:42] <dionysus69> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6b71aa6282bd631b3c8d0dda9ce4792b
[07:43] <dionysus69> my username is ubuntu and i am able to exec sudo commands
[07:43] <dionysus69> + doesnt even ask for password
[07:43] <psychoticwarrior> cool
[07:43] <dionysus69> so whats going on? i am given this vps for setting up something.
[07:44] <dionysus69> ubuntu 16.04, sudoers file doesnt mention ubuntu username so does it make sense?
[07:53] <geirha> dionysus69: could be via group membership
[07:53] <dionysus69> ok I found this line under /etc/sudoers.d/* some file ubuntu ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
[07:53] <dionysus69> does it make sense though? why would anyone have that as default
[07:54] <dionysus69> sounds unsecure as fuck even if you need an RSA key to connect
[07:54] <geirha> for a live session it does
[07:54] <dionysus69> what do you call a live session?
[07:54] <Jordan_U> dionysus69: Please watch your language.
[07:55] <dionysus69> sorry about that, that's freudian slip :D
[07:55] <geirha> when you boot an Ubuntu DVD or USB, you can enter a live session, where you try out ubuntu before deciding on whether to install
[07:55] <Jordan_U> dionysus69: Where you are booted not into an installed system, but into a somewhat ephemeral system generally used for testing and installing Ubuntu. AKA, a LiveCD/USB.
[07:55] <dionysus69> this is an ec2 vps
[07:55] <geirha> The initial user you get auto-logged in as is named ubuntu, and it can use sudo without a password
[07:56] <dionysus69> the file has a header saying: Created by cloud-init v. 0.7.9
[07:56] <Jordan_U> dionysus69: Then that is certainly problematic, and is *not* what upstream Ubuntu ships.
[07:57] <dionysus69> yep, this is not default installation, as I said I got an access to this for testing purposes.
[07:57] <dionysus69> but this is the first time I encountered sudo without password + I couldnt find the rule for it for a while so I was confused :D
[07:58] <Jordan_U> dionysus69: I would be curious to see if there are any other holdovers from a live session that shouldn't be there.
[07:59] <dionysus69> ye I don't know, things could be tweaked, partly by AWS and partly by whoever is testing me
[08:02] <Jordan_U> dionysus69: Testing you?
[08:02] <dionysus69> ye this is a test before I get hired as a sys admin
[08:03] <dionysus69> but I am not that good atm, all linux stuff I know is from web development and using it as my main OS too :)
[08:03] <Jordan_U> dionysus69: Is talking to people in #ubuntu allowed during this test?
[08:03] <dionysus69> well it is not supervised and I am not limited on time
[08:08] <geirha> well, you have two options as I see it. Keep the ubuntu user but treat it as if it was root user, or create your own user with "regular" sudo privileges, and disable the ubuntu user
[08:09] <dionysus69> I could just delete the rule I mentioned but not worth it
[08:09] <dionysus69> if tester wants me to use weird sudo user, let it be :D
[08:11] <geirha> just make sure you have another way to elevate to root if you do delete that rule, otherwise you lock yourself out
[08:13] <Jordan_U> dionysus69: Just as a quick check to see if this actually is a live session somehow, "mount | grep squashfs". On a live session it will print something like "https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/so-about-this-googlers-manifesto-1e3773ed1788" and on a non-live system it should produce no output (unless you happen to be playing with squashfs images).
[08:13] <dionysus69> ye I wont experiment with that on live system :D
[08:14] <Jordan_U> dionysus69: Sorry, mispase there obviously :)
[08:14] <dionysus69> no output
[08:15] <dionysus69> blkid outputs ext4
[08:15] <Jordan_U> s/mispase/mispaste/ On a related note, anyone have any ideas why my ssh connection might be having severe lag (sometimes on the order of 10 seconds) leading me to blindly type ahead?
[08:16] <dionysus69> one more roadblock, I installed nginx, ufw is disabled, iptables is all accepting but port 80 is still closed
[08:17] <dionysus69> output of netstat https://gist.github.com/anonymous/c7a80cf791b714b013de79e2dd603e8b
[08:17] <dionysus69> perhaps an internet connection as a whole maybe hanging up
[08:18] <ddellav> dionysus69 it appears as though there is a firewall somewhere along the way blocking it
[08:18] <ddellav> is this an AWS instance?
[08:18] <dionysus69> yep
[08:18] <ddellav> if so the security rules would need to allow port 80
[08:18] <dionysus69> hmm ok maybe i am not supposed to test it on public 80, who knows
[08:23] <ddellav> it's likely they want you to modify the security rules of the instance to allow the port
[08:23] <ddellav> unless they didn't give you access to the AWS control panel or API
[08:23] <dionysus69> nope I have no access to AWS console
[08:24] <ddellav> then you need to probe the firewall to see what ports are open
[08:24] <ddellav> obviously ssh, but there must be another
[08:25] <dionysus69> uwf is disabled
[08:25] <ddellav> perhaps they only want https traffic
[08:25] <ddellav> ufw is only for the local machine. With AWS there's an external firewall
[08:25] <dionysus69> ye it is mentioned for me to setup self signed cert https but i am not on that part yet
[08:25] <ddellav> you can't access it from the box
[08:25] <ddellav> then yea, they only want https
[08:25] <ddellav> so you'll need to configure that
[08:25] <ddellav> and ignore port 80
[08:26] <dionysus69> kk brb then xD
[08:26]  * ddellav wonders why he's helping someone get an admin job when he is unemployed lol
[08:26] <Cobrax> xD
[08:28] <sary> Jordan_U: packet loss on the connection! how is the ping ratios.. a high load on the server! is X11 forwarding enabled.. if you don't beed it "ssh -x " and enable compression "ssh -C ) assuming your sshin' with open ssh , or are you using a different client.. try ssh using mosh https://mosh.org/#getting
[08:28] <dionysus69> :D ddellav trust me you dont want this job, too low salary
[08:28] <ddellav> dionysus69 is it more than 0?
[08:29] <ddellav> lol
[08:29] <dionysus69> where are you from? I ll tell how it is
[08:29] <dionysus69> how low *
[08:29] <ddellav> country? US
[08:30] <dionysus69> ye, you definitely dont want this job then :D
[08:31] <dionysus69> its like 700$ a month, you can earn more by being a barber in US
[08:32] <Cobrax> what do you do
[08:33] <Cobrax> some network stuff afaik
[08:33] <dionysus69> AWS sys admin job basically
[08:33] <dionysus69> setting up env for web apps
[08:34] <dionysus69> wordpress* more specifically
[08:34] <Cobrax> why such shit pay
[08:34] <Cobrax> you're getting ripped off unless you have no experience
[08:34] <dionysus69> i am from poor country xD
[08:34] <Cobrax> US?
[08:34] <dionysus69> + ye, I dont have experience
[08:34] <dionysus69> no lol, I am from Georgia
[08:34] <Cobrax> SHE BOZO
[08:34] <dionysus69> not the state though
[08:34] <dionysus69> lmfo
[08:35] <dionysus69> where are you from Cobrax :D
[08:35] <Jordan_U> sary: Interestingly it looks like I'm getting between 7 and 20% packet loss right now, with nothing but mosh in use. And it looks like all of the loss is between my desktop and the wireless AP. I should have checked that a while ago but the problem didn't seem to be affecting other connections. That may be it entirely, thanks!
[08:35] <Cobrax> israel but i am born in his country
[08:35] <dionysus69> hahaha
[08:35] <dionysus69> Georgian-jew, ha!
[08:35] <Cobrax> jew-orgian
[08:35] <dionysus69> :D
[08:35] <Cobrax> dude 700$ is a good living where you are
[08:35] <dionysus69> not really
[08:36] <dionysus69> it was 10 years ago :P
[08:36] <Cobrax> offtopic now.. i frineded you
[08:36] <dionysus69> heh, ok :)
[08:46] <Peetz0r> hello! does ayone know what (one of) the largest package in the repo would be? (download size, not install size)
[08:47] <sary> Jordan_U: Good catch , in that case i would try and "lock the connection to the AP's BSSID" , that might help!
[08:54] <sary> Peetz0r: https://packages.ubuntu.com/ ..
[08:56] <Peetz0r> sary: yeah, I know that interface and how I can lookup the size of any package there
[08:56] <Peetz0r> but it doesn't tell me which ones are huge, other than manually looking trough many of them
[08:58] <sary> Peetz0r: there is table that shows the .deb  file "package size" ..
[08:59] <sary> Peetz0r: i don't know of a way to filter the largest packages..
[08:59] <Peetz0r> sary: yes, but that I already knew ;)
[09:11] <sary> Peetz0r: you may want to search on the forums or the web , and probably ask here again some other times.. it seems like a dead-time zones now!
[09:12] <Peetz0r> I will, thanks :)
[09:13] <sary> but that's a good question reall .. also consider regestring on the forums ask in a proper section.
[09:13] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[09:14] <sary> Hyia
[09:16] <Nokaji---> Morning, ... I'm recovering from a crash - I'm booted from a live CD and need to make a back-up copies of critical stuff, e.g. my <home> directory, config files & anything else in the install partition in case I need it. I've tried a few proggies with little success (Archive Manager, Backups) - only got 10MB backed up so far. Help me please :)
[09:17] <Nokaji---> bbiab ...
[09:17] <sary> Peetz0r: you're asking for the packages on the repo archive and not the ones installed, right!
[09:17] <sary> what.. that was fast!
[09:18] <Peetz0r> sary: yep
[09:19] <Guest37394> back - (display was wonky)
[09:20] <sary> Peetz0r: gotchya.
[09:21] <sary> Nokaji---: you can use cp to copy /home to an external usb or into a cloud services ..
[09:22] <Nokaji---> sary, Thanks
[09:24] <dionysus69> hey
[09:24] <dionysus69> so I have the same problem with HTTPS, nothing happens when I make nginx listen on 443, still unreachable
[09:24] <dionysus69> is there a way to know if AWS is the one blocking the traffic?
[09:24] <dionysus69> without access to AWS console :S
[09:30] <sary> dionysus69: did you looked at the logs ,  /var/log/nginx/error.log ..
[09:31] <dionysus69> signal process started
[09:31] <dionysus69> two of those lines are the only contents of error.log
[09:33] <sary> well that doen't say much ..
[09:35] <sary> is nginx listenin' on port 443 , check sudo netstat -plnt | grep nginx
[09:35] <dionysus69> sary yep it is listening https://gist.github.com/anonymous/eb756183a6038b1fbf577e385e908590
[09:38] <sary> dionysus69: maybe that second instance is causing a loop ..
[09:38] <dionysus69> ok I ll disable ipv6
[09:38] <dionysus69> one sek
[10:00] <|Night|> hey, I am struggling to debug a reboot here, every night at around 2AM my computer reboots, corntab has no tasks at that time
[10:01] <|Night|> 43 0 * * * "/home/night/.acme.sh"/acme.sh --cron --home "/home/night/.acme.sh" > /dev/null
[10:01] <geirha> you've checked all crontabs?
[10:02] <|Night|> is only one clse but that is for certs.
[10:02] <|Night|> all?
[10:02] <geirha> /etc/crontab, /etc/cron.d/* etc
[10:03] <|Night|> hmm let ms check
[10:04] <|Night|> anacorn is there but that is normal
[10:04] <geirha> at 2 am?
[10:05] <geirha> if so, it will be running tasks in /etc/cron.daily
[10:06] <|Night|> blank
[10:07] <|Night|> well blank in snese wehat is there is known
[10:07] <|Night|> anacron             csf-cron            csf_update          lfd-cron            php                 .placeholder        popularity-contest
[10:08] <|Night|> hmm none of the scripts ion there has s start time
[10:09] <sary> So what do you think would cause a system reboot without a user input..!
[10:10] <|Night|> power is fine,  might be hw related
[10:10] <|Night|> but that would not account for that it is same time more or less
[10:11] <geirha> does "atq" list any jobs?
[10:12] <|Night|> nop
[10:13] <sary> you mean the power adapter AC cable , how good it's condition..
[10:14] <|Night|> its a headless box
[10:14] <|Night|> PSU is new, cpu is kinda old but works fine
[10:20] <|Night|> running stresstest on cpu now
[10:22] <geirha> I assume you've looked at log messages from just before the reboots..?
[10:23] <|Night|> checked logs and they start where rbeoot accored
[10:24] <sary> |Night|: which cpu is it , was it vonnected to wifi, if so which iwifi card is it .. is it a Broadcom!
[10:24] <|Night|> head /var/log/syslog gives out 02:16 AM
[10:24] <geirha> meaning they were rotated at that point, so look at the *.1 log files
[10:24] <|Night|> sary:  no wifi, dual nic Intel gig. CPU is i7 990x
[10:27] <|Night|> sary:  no wifi, dual nic Intel gig. CPU is i7 990x
[10:28] <Nokaji---> sary: I saw you ask what could cause your pc switching off after same amount of time, a wild guess here is overheating, maybe tripping some safety device
[10:29] <|Night|> geirha:  having removed gibberih from logs .1 | .2 i see nothing on systemmd
[10:30] <|Night|> php seasm to run lots of clean ups buti that couldn ot cause this
[10:31] <geirha> anything from the kernel (kern.log.1)?
[10:32] <sary> |Night|: Ok thanks , check /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades. The line that controls Automatic reboots Unattended-Upgrade::Automatic-Reboot .. is the value set to tru or false..
[10:32] <sary> Nokaji---: Yes, that might be a reason, or the gpu..
[10:33] <sary> |Night|: you might wan to Check /var/log/apt/history.log to see if updates are occurring before the reboot.
[10:34] <Nokaji---> sary: there are various temperature readings available for cpu, HDD, mobo etc if you can access them
[10:35] <|Night|> Unattended-Upgrade::Allowed-Origins {
[10:35] <|Night|> "${distro_id}:${distro_codename}";
[10:35] <|Night|> "${distro_id}:${distro_codename}-security";
[10:35] <|Night|> only  that is not comment out
[10:35] <|Night|> Nokaji---:  checked that, they are fine
[10:35] <Nokaji---> also there may be a log written somewhere that details end conditions, I've no idea how to find such a log though
[10:37] <sary> |Night|: also, what's the value set for cat /proc/sys/kernel/panic .. if it's value is 1 then server will immediately reboot on panic. Bad drivers/hw/software can cause kernel panic. if it's not panic , check $ last reboot
[10:38] <sary> Nokaji---: Yes, do you have them set and configured! you do hear the fans spinnin' don't you ..
[10:40] <sary> Nokaji---: you're the user with a toshiba laptop right!
[10:40] <Nokaji---> sary I once had a fan speed controller set, accessed via terminal, it didn't work perfect but gave fan speed readings and temperatures, plus they were settable
[10:40] <|Night|> sary:  fans work fine
[10:40] <|Night|> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25253905/
[10:40] <Nokaji---> there are often logs that give last time you rebooted and list any errors
[10:42] <Nokaji---> sary: maybe you can do a search for 'ubuntu temperature reboot logs errors' or similar
[10:42] <sary> |Night|: ok , we're trying to figure out if it's a hardware or a software cause .. also  Check /var/log/apt/history.log ..
[10:42] <Nokaji---> best I have, sorry
[10:43] <sary> Nokaji---: Thanks :) i don't have overheating issue.
[10:43] <Nokaji---> okay, difficult to scroll/read here, I'm on my emergency pc :)
[10:44] <|Night|> http://termbin.com/yi3h
[10:45] <|Night|> simpler to output cat to that than copy paste from terminal
[10:47] <sary> Nokaji---: I Rememebr that you were about to backup your /home directory and stuff ..
[10:47] <Nokaji---> sary: yup, still trying - lol, such a newbie
[10:49] <sary> Nokaji---: it's cool we all learn something at one point or another , but being newbie is no excuse to be lazy that's all.. so how did you try to copy using the GUI or in terminla with cp rsync ..
[10:51] <Nokaji---> sary: tried rsync and cp, problem seems to have been correcly naming the destination folder .... last coupla minutes I've 'CD' into the destination, maybe that will be easier as 'home' is global (doesn't need path specified - I forget what they call that)
[10:52] <Nokaji---> terminal, also tried some GUIs but live boot seems to have limited access, buttons greyed out
[10:52] <|Night|> any other idea sary| geirha?
[10:59] <sary> Nokaji---: which cp command did you used to try with , Yes $HOME environment variable you mean ..
[11:00] <sary> |Night|: there is no high load on the server, Right!
[11:02] <|Night|> depends, some times plex runs other times not
[11:02] <|Night|> but a 1080p transcode hardly puts any load on
[11:03] <|Night|> even when i put on high syntetic load, nothing happens
[11:05] <|Night|> I've checked task in bios they are also nothing there that should cause such behavor,
[11:07] <dedze> pavlos: hello
[11:09] <dedze> Hi guys, I have a port open on my routeur, name is Teredo and everytime I close it, it reopns within a few douzens of seconds
[11:09] <dedze> Anyone knows whats up
[11:09] <sary> |Night|: that's a decent cpu you got there, and i don't think plex is causing this behaviour either.. are the dual Intel gig running at full/deplex speeds!
[11:10] <sary> Nokaji---: the externial use name is under /media/YourUser/ .. right..
[11:10] <|Night|> sary:  good cpu for 1080 but not 4k, sadly.  they are gigabit connected to two subnets
[11:10] <|Night|> internal network
[11:11] <|Night|> and one right on the dity internett
[11:13] <sary> |Night|: I can't think of anything the is the caused, i mean we've check it's not the power supply, not an overheating , nor a software .. what else we might be missing!
[11:13] <|Night|> indeed that was my checklist prior to asking here
[11:14] <|Night|> the error reports option i get when i vnc inn are caus that i dont mount some drives on startup and they look for files there
[11:17] <sary> and nothing suspicious on the logs , am out of thoughts.. you may want to post on the forums , or and ask here some other times.. someone might have an indepth view on this.
[11:17] <sary> |Night|: ^
[11:18] <Nokaji---> sary: sorry, woz away ... I've made it inside the destination Dir, I now need to execute a copy 'home' command, ... maybe cp /home or such....
[11:18] <|Night|> sary:  logs are what isto be expcpted, as stated, nothing i can see there in the given time spectrum
[11:19] <|Night|> you might be right about automatic update,  they are back to 0 || 0
[11:20] <|Night|> /Unattended-Upgrade::Automatic-Reboot "false"; both false and commted out
[11:21] <Nokaji---> sary: now I've broken the destination path down into bits, I can see how to specify it as one ... some directories have spaces, which causedsome of my troubles
[11:21] <Nokaji---> plus ... is it media, is it dev or it it some long-winded alphanumeric
[11:22] <sary> Nokaji---: ok, you don't have to be inside the dis dir .."/~" is a shortcut for YOUR home folder. so something like sudo cp -r /~ /media/flash , but you have to make sure what is the right dis path .. the usb should be under /media/YOURUser/USBNAME ..
[11:22] <Nokaji---> sary: I broke it down so I could see where the error was
[11:23] <sary> Nokaji---: ok..
[11:24] <|Night|> sary:  i run every scrip on corn.daily and all worked fine
[11:25] <|Night|> mlocate hangs, for a while lets see where it goes
[11:25] <Nokaji---> sary: plus my keybooard has the character map wrong so trouble finding symbols - I did set it to uk k/b, to no avail
[11:26] <|Night|> nop mlocate also works
[11:26] <sary> Nokaji---: what i would do is create a direcotry on the usb with the name back-up , and sudo cp -R /~ /media/sary/MYPASSPORT/back-up .
[11:26] <sary> or /home-backup
[11:27] <Nokaji---> sary: I'm copying to a partition for now but I can use that - thanks
[11:28] <|Night|> sary:  scary how expensive the i7 990x was back in the days, im glad i did not pay full price
[11:28] <sary> Nokaji---: cool, either way.
[11:28] <sary> |Night|: Yep , i was thinking the same.
[11:30] <|Night|> is it normal that i ne ed to run diskpart same times on same drive, i get ant read superlblock sda
[11:31] <|Night|> sudo fsck /dev/sda
[11:33] <|Night|> SMART and selftest says disk is fine
[11:34] <samgoody> Hi. I ran a standard upgrade with apt.
[11:34] <samgoody> Included man-db (2.7.5-1), install-info (6.1.0.dfsg.1-5), plymouth-theme-ubuntu-text (0.9.2-3ubuntu13.1), initramfs-tools (0.122ubuntu8.8)…
[11:34] <samgoody> And Setting up base-files (9.4ubuntu4.5) New version of config file /etc/issue ... config file /etc/issue.net ... config file /etc/lsb-release
[11:34] <samgoody> Since then the server has been crashing every few hours, and CPU is over the top
[11:34] <sary> |Night|: from recover (safe) mode , drop to a root shell , $ mount -o remount,rw / , $ fsck -f /dev/sda , $ mount -o remount,ro / , $ sync , $ reboot ..
[11:35] <samgoody> Is there any way to rollback the apt-upgrade?
[11:35] <|Night|> what does that do that fssck does not from terminal?
[11:35] <samgoody> Or any other way to get back a stab;le syste,
[11:36] <tomreyn> samgoody: take a look at the system log to find out why it has become unstable
[11:37] <tomreyn> samgoody: you can technically downgrade single packages to specific versions if those other versions are still available. it is not supported nor recommended, though.
[11:37] <Nokaji---> sary, sucess at last! - thanks - I used mainly your cp -R thing but had to change the source, I'm thinking 'home' when I'm running a live boot and need the 'home' form another partition - lol, and it was some crazy alphanumeric
[11:38] <samgoody> OK, I am not experienced at using the system logs (green noob). Is there any good layout of all system log files in ubuntu 16.04 ?
[11:38] <tomreyn> samgoody: based on this package versions this seems to be an ubuntu 16.04 server, correct?
[11:38] <Nokaji---> hopefully next time I'll do it in half the time, ... max, preferably in 5 seconds
[11:39] <samgoody> Yes
[11:39] <tomreyn> samgoody: system logs are located in /var/log/
[11:40] <tomreyn> they get rotated which means that every day or so what was written to the logs a while ago is removed off the original logfile and placed in a compressed logfile with a .gz file extension
[11:40] <tomreyn> so the newest records are always in the files without .gz
[11:40] <samgoody> But which would most likely have the issues?
[11:40] <sary> |Night|: you Do not run fsck on a live or mounted file system, try what i've suggested , then Check in /var/log/fsck for results if running on a headless system .
[11:40] <tomreyn> samgoody: take a look at /var/log/syslog first of all.
[11:41] <samgoody> thanks
[11:41] <sary> Nokaji---: excellent , well done :)
[11:41] <tomreyn> samgoody: do you know how to view it?
[11:41] <samgoody> vim?
[11:41] <|Night|> i got it up and running drive did not mount on start up, same times happens a few times, same drive
[11:42] <samgoody> var/log/syslog is 0 bytes
[11:42] <samgoody> and no rsyslog
[11:42] <tomreyn> samgoody: what about /var/log/syslog ?
[11:43] <tomreyn> samgoody: use sudo
[11:43] <samgoody> Thats what I meant, but IRC dropped the /
[11:43] <samgoody> And I am using sudo
[11:43] <Nokaji---> Hiyas tomreyn - many thanks for all your time and effort last night, deeply appreciated - I manged to faff it up still so am going for a reinstall at some point
[11:43] <samgoody> I mean, Adium dropped the /, as otherwise it would be an IRC message.
[11:43] <tomreyn> samgoody: hmm that's unusual, maybe the file system has become read-only
[11:44] <tomreyn> samgoody: just run 'dmesg -T' instead then
[11:44] <samgoody> No, I can write to disk
[11:44] <samgoody> sudo dmesg -T gives me a LOT of UFW block messages
[11:44] <tomreyn> samgoody: what does "sudo ls -l /var/log/syslog" say?
[11:45] <samgoody> -rw-rw---- 1 sshd dev 0 May 26  2014 /var/log/syslog
[11:45] <tomreyn> samgoody: UFW is a firewall management utility. it's probably just internet noise
[11:46] <tomreyn> samgoody: that's an incorrect owner and group
[11:46] <samgoody> I figured it is just noise - par for the course on a any public inetrface. Anyways, UFW shouldn't cause system instability AFAIK
[11:47] <tomreyn> samgoody: did you change some file or directory owners or permissions recently?
[11:47] <tomreyn> ... using sudo
[11:47] <samgoody> The group I changed, because I wanted all the members of the dev group to be able to see all logs
[11:47] <samgoody> That was done months ago, never had issues with it.
[11:47] <samgoody> But I didnt touch the owner (used chgrp)
[11:47] <tomreyn> samgoody: it looks like it was done in may 2014, and introduced an issue then, no more logs could be written
[11:48] <tomreyn> ever - since then
[11:48] <samgoody> Well, thats a pretty serious issue.
[11:48] <tomreyn> it's a result of a bad use of sudo.
[11:49] <tomreyn> why it's owned by sshd is beyond me, though, that's completely wrong, too
[11:49] <samgoody> Thats a polite way of spelling "idiot sysadmin"
[11:49] <samgoody> Who is sshd? Can I change that?
[11:49] <tomreyn> samgoody: correct :) or make it 'elephant in a porcellain store'
[11:51] <samgoody> I assume that sshd is the ssh daemon, and would be what I use to ssh in. No idea how that would become the owner. But should I reset the owner to wheel or root?
[11:51] <tomreyn> samgoody: if ownership of this specific file are off, chances are this will be the same for many other files / direcotries, too. can you show 'sudo ls -l /var/log' and 'sudo ls -l /etc/'?
[11:51] <samgoody> Oh, the nginx logs are still being written correctly (in /var/log/nginx/error.log)
[11:51] <tomreyn> samgoody: i would think sshd is the user the ssh server (daemon) process runs as (after dropping provileges)
[11:52] <samgoody> And I have newrelic on the server, so maybe their daemon made this change?
[11:52] <tomreyn> samgoody: use pastebin to show those outputs then
[11:52] <tomreyn> i don't think it would
[11:52] <tomreyn> most likel ynot
[11:53] <tomreyn> correct ownership for /var/log/syslog is "syslog adm". restart the logging daemon after fixing it.
[11:54] <samgoody> https://pastebin.com/Q30RAgr5
[11:54] <tomreyn> sudo chown syslog:adm /var/log/syslog*; sudo service rsyslog restart
[11:55] <samgoody> great. No ls -l shows -rw-rw---- 1 syslog adm 1208 Aug  6 07:54 /var/log/syslog
[11:56] <tomreyn> samgoody: what about the other file sin /var/log ?
[11:56] <samgoody> I was looking at all the stiuff that is magically flowing into syslog
[11:57] <tomreyn> /etc/amonagent seems ot have bad ownership / gruop, but i don't know this software.
[11:58] <samgoody> I will uninstall amon. It never worked for us (it was supposed to help debug)
[11:58] <tomreyn> /etc/owncloud is probably wrong, too
[11:58] <tomreyn> possibly also the group of /etc/postfix
[11:59] <tomreyn> /etc/roundcube is definitely wrong
[12:00] <samgoody> https://pastebin.com/2gNkW47T
[12:00] <samgoody> Thanks very very much for your help.
[12:00] <tomreyn> i think you'd best you'd best backup and reinstallsoon, cherry picking files from your backup after verifying their correct ownership and group assignments
[12:00] <samgoody> I was just thinking that
[12:03] <tomreyn> owner and group for /var/log/ufw.log are wrong, but then i don't have this file on my 16.04 system although i have ufw installed
[12:03] <JyZyXEL> append boot=casper maybe-ubiquity, where can i get a full list of boot options i can sue?
[12:03] <tomreyn> so you can proibably just delete it
[12:03] <JyZyXEL> use*
[12:03] <tomreyn> samgoody: take a look at syslog again, since it is now being writtne to
[12:04] <sary> JyZyXEL: kernel boot paramters are in the kerenl docs.
[12:05] <tomreyn> samgoody: all those 'dev' group assignment in /var/log are wrong
[12:05] <JyZyXEL> sary: those are not kernel boot parameters
[12:06] <tomreyn> samgoody: for the future, it won't break functionality to add users to existing groups (to give them access), but you should not just change the groups of files using sudo unless you are exactly aware of the consequences.
[12:06] <tomreyn> nor the owners
[12:07] <tomreyn> nor permissions
[12:13] <ubuntu_user> Hi, I'm a new linux user. What I want to know is whether it is necessary to update my kernel even if all the hardware are in a working condition?
[12:14] <sary> JyZyXEL: what are they then..!
[12:15] <pankaj> Hi Guys, I wanted to install GTA Vicecity Game on ubuntu but not finding any suitable support from internet.
[12:17] <tomreyn> ubuntu_user: there are two types of updates: feature updates and patches (to fix security issues and bugs). the latter you definitely want to have
[12:17] <pankaj> How to download GTA Vicecity on ubuntu?
[12:17] <ubuntu_user> ok tomreyn
[12:18] <tomreyn> ubuntu_user: is this an automatically offered kernel update we're talking about? then you most likely want to install it.
[12:18] <samgoody> Am getting a lot of supervisorctl[21570]: ERROR: unix:///var/run/supervisor.sock no such file (already shut down?)
[12:18] <samgoody> Aug  6 08:17:19 nissan systemd[1]: supervisor.service: Unit entered failed state.
[12:18] <samgoody> Aug  6 08:17:19 nissan systemd[1]: supervisor.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
[12:18] <samgoody> in the newly fixed syslog.
[12:18] <samgoody> ls: cannot access '/var/run/supervisor.sock': No such file or directory
[12:20] <tomreyn> pankaj: i don't thnink this game runs natively on linux. you may be able to make it work through WINE.
[12:20] <samgoody> What is supervisord?
[12:20] <tomreyn> (but i cannot support you on that)
[12:20] <pankaj> Does any other awesome game work on linux?
[12:22] <tomreyn> samgoody: have you tried a web search on this? why do you have it installed if you don't know what it is? it doesn't come with ubuntu 16.04 by default.
[12:31] <tomreyn> ubuntu_user: while i understand that you'd prefer to get multiple opinions on some questions, i would appreciate if oyu would not ask the same question in multiple IRC channels at the same time  this is considered impolite if you're just asking beginner type questions which most people will be able to answer, since you make more people spend time on helping your out than necessary.
[12:50] <Soul_Sample> let's say I'm on 16.04 and want to upgrade to the next release. what could be the reasons for getting the "No releases found", if my update manager is set to notify me about ANY updates, not just LTS?
[12:51] <AlienCat> I got some error in apt-get: E: Internal Error, No file name for libglib2.0-cil:amd64
[12:52] <kostkon> AlienCat, you'd have to give us the whole output
[12:54] <sary> Soul_Sample: in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades" file. what value is set to..
[12:54] <Soul_Sample> sary: normal
[12:54] <Soul_Sample> sary: and I did an apt update afterwards, of course
[12:55] <AlienCat> any way to do it from command line?
[12:55] <AlienCat> my web browser has crashed
[12:55] <sary> Soul_Sample: what's in $ cat /etc/resolv.conf ..
[12:56] <sary> Soul_Sample: ok, what did update said ..
[12:56] <Soul_Sample> nameserver 8.8.4.4, nameserver 8.8.8.8, search Home
[12:56] <Soul_Sample> that's in resolf.conf
[12:56] <Soul_Sample> update says that everything is up to date. and it is, for 16.04
[12:56] <AlienCat> how can I upload output from console?
[12:57] <kostkon> !paste | AlienCat
[12:57] <kostkon> !pastebinit | AlienCat
[12:58] <AlienCat> but my apt is broken
[12:58] <AlienCat> it wont let me install anything until I solve this
[12:59] <sary> Soul_Sample: so you're connected to the internet .. what is in /etc/apt/sources/list ..
[12:59] <ruid> I have an IP address entry in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/Wired connection 1, that doesn't show up in Network Manager....
[13:00] <kostkon> AlienCat, is it on a server?
[13:00] <Soul_Sample> sary: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25254653/
[13:00] <GrandPa-G>  I have a program that runs forever with a open socket (UDP) to a server. On occasion a ip lease renewal comes and changes the ip. That breaks the program. I really can't change the program so
[13:01] <GrandPa-G> I want to create a test method to try various approaches (like a reboot). How can I externally force a dhcp renewal and get a new ip. I have access to server, client and dhcp router. Ideas?
[13:03] <kk4ewt> do you own the dhcp server
[13:03] <sary> Soul_Sample: That looks clean , did you try the software updater GUI , or are you on a server!
[13:04] <kk4ewt> GrandPa-G, ^^
[13:04] <Soul_Sample> sary: I tried both the GUI and do-release-upgrade. no server, just my private computer.
[13:04] <GrandPa-G> the dhcp service is done on my router. yes I have access to it.
[13:05] <kk4ewt> so set the ip address for your mac address in the routor so the Server gets the same ip all the time  (or set a static ip )
[13:06] <sary> Soul_Sample: what does do-release-upgrade -c , says!
[13:06] <Soul_Sample> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[13:06] <Soul_Sample> No new release found.
[13:06] <sary> and do-release-upgrade -d ..
[13:06] <GrandPa-G> kk4ewt:I misunderstood your question. I don't have access to the router in the production environment. I do have access to the router for testing purposes. Thus I cann't reserve a ip slot.
[13:07] <GrandPa-G> kk4ewt: also, there a many of the same setups at various locations, so setting static ip would be very difficult, however a path to think about.
[13:08] <sary> Soul_Sample: I would report this in #ubuntu-release .
[13:08] <Soul_Sample> sary: okay, on it
[13:10] <Soul_Sample> sary: thanks!
[13:12] <sary> Soul_Sample: You're welcome ,so what was the cause, and what solved it..
[13:12] <sary> if you care to share , that is ..
[13:12] <Soul_Sample> sary: nothing solved it, I just reported it to ubuntu-release :D
[13:13] <sary> Soul_Sample: thaha ok :)
[13:13] <sary> these should be interesting , i might join there..
[13:15] <sary> Well, that channel looks dead!
[13:21] <bjrohan> Hello. I am connecting to another machine using ssh -X, and am opening X applications. How do I increase the resolution of those applications?
[13:23] <Nokaji---> Hi, can you think of any other precautions I should take before a reinstall, other than backing up the home directory?
[13:27] <Nokaji---> oops ... not just home Dir but the entire partition it seems - well guess I'm all set to rock n' roll then
[13:29] <Nokaji---> this is either a good or a bad idea ... wish me luck ...
[14:34] <goldstar> is there anyone planning on maintaining the unity codebase?
[14:34] <goldstar> when the ubuntu guys scrap it
[14:37] <Nokaji> Bliss
[14:42] <Nokaji> ubuntu freshly installed, firefox and tabs, emailer and emails,xchat and server choices all brought back to life; I don't know what you lot were so worried about
[14:45] <pankaj> I know character encoding means to map a set of bits to a particular glyph but why nothing happens when I change the character encoding?
[14:47] <tomreyn> goldstar: i've heard that there'll be a community project to keep maintaining it. i do not remember details.
[14:47] <tomreyn> (i bet there's some website discussing it)
[14:48] <tomreyn> Nokaji: welcome about yesterday.
[14:49] <michelem> hi folks. Any idea why "nginx" depends on such packages as fonts-dejavu-core and libx11-data ?
[14:50] <Nokaji> tomreyn: Hiyas, thanks again for taking the time with me - we did have glitch but you were right about my apt issues - it was dodgy for some time, e.g pressing shut-down would sometimes log me off instead
[14:51] <Nokaji> been wanting to reinstall but never found the courage :)
[14:57] <Soul_Sample> sary: everything went perfecly, I only had to remove .config/nautilus for some reason. Even nvidia proprietary drivers updated with no issues
[15:07] <sary> Soul_Sample: Excellent :)
[15:23] <inerkick> Hi.. I got Ubuntu 16.04, I even got wifi drivers installed
[15:24] <inerkick> but my Android phone's wifi isn't detecting on my laptop. kindly help
[15:24] <Bombo> i booted into a live (l)ubuntu (stick) network works (dhcp), but firefox can't resolve e.g. google.com, in lxterminal it does work 'host google.com' the dns server is 8.8.8.8, i don't get it
[15:24] <AlienCat> okay here is my error http://termbin.com/g74z
[15:25] <AlienCat> if you can se the site
[15:26] <Bombo> apt can't resolve archive.ubuntu.com, but host archive.ubuntu.com does
[15:26] <AlienCat> huh?
[15:28] <mzaza> I can't create WiFi hotspot from my laptop running Ubuntu, this could be easily done in previous releases just by click the network manager and then choose create new wifi network. Any ideas on how to fix it?
[15:28] <Bombo> AlienCat: how about removing libglib2.0-cil
[15:28] <Bombo> AlienCat: and apport, then install them again, maybe?
[15:33] <mzaza> I get network disconnected as soon as I try to connect to it
[15:34] <Bombo> mzaza: i'm doing that manually, sorry ;)
[15:34] <Bombo> mzaza: but see if there is debug log somewhere?
[15:34] <Bombo> mzaza: maybe in syslog?
[15:38] <Katronix> Hi all, today I did an apt-upgrade and received the following error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25255593/ should I force it to be removed and then re-install it from scratch?
[15:42] <Bombo> Katronix: i would try it
[15:42] <Katronix> it looks like apt wants to replace mariadb with mysql
[15:43] <Katronix> any way to convince it not to?
[15:44] <Bombo> what does apt-get say?
[15:44] <Bombo> got any mysql packages still installed? (remove them)
[15:46] <Katronix> well when I told it to purge mariadb-server-core-10.1 it replied with: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25255679/
[15:48] <Katronix> it looks like I do have mysql-common installed
[15:51] <AlienCat> I am trying to remove it
[15:51] <AlienCat> but it wont let me
[15:53] <tomreyn> AlienCat: sudo dpkg --purge libglib2.0-cil
[15:54] <AlienCat> E: File does not exist: /usr/share/cli-common/packages.d/policy.2.6.glib-sharp.installcligac
[15:54] <tomreyn> add --force-missing
[15:54] <AlienCat> do I have to remove cli-common?
[15:55] <tomreyn> sorry there is no --force-missing, my bad
[15:59] <AlienCat> so what can I do then?
[15:59] <alive> ubuntu xenial, openvpn will start from command line with --config name.conf but will not start as a systemd service at all
[16:00] <alive> service openvpn status says "active (exited)" and no logs other than "Started OpenVPN Service"
[16:00] <tomreyn> AlienCat: can you show the output of: sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-cache policy; sudo apt-get -f install
[16:00] <alive> pls where do I see whats wrong with openvpn
[16:02] <Nokaji> tomreyn: about the pulled update, comment #6 here refers to it - The guy who wrote that hangs around in these parts, if not this channel - https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?t=71637
[16:02] <Nokaji> looks like the same version numbers too, form memory
[16:04] <AlienCat> here: http://termbin.com/mcm6
[16:09] <tomreyn> AlienCat: you surely have no lack of 'openmetaverse' PPA configurations
[16:09] <AlienCat> uh
[16:11] <tomreyn> AlienCat: you must have it configured multiple times. those lines are identical.
[16:14] <tomreyn> AlienCat: it's alsao broken and not in use (but packages installed fomr there wont get updates unless they exist in other APT sources with identical package names)
[16:14] <sveinse> I have consistently problems with samba not working properly on 16.04(.3) server. I have to manually restart the smbd service for it to accept connections. Is this a known error?
[16:15] <AlienCat> http://termbin.com/aume now it complains about appstrean
[16:15] <tomreyn> AlienCat: so i suggest you start by diabling (edit files, put # in front of these lines) the 'openmetaverse' PPA first of all.
[16:15] <AlienCat> yes I got rid of those now
[16:15] <tomreyn> AlienCat: then make sure you get security updates ("zesty-security") directly from security.ubuntu,com and not mirror.one.com
[16:16] <AlienCat> ah okay
[16:17] <tomreyn> that's another system nicely hosed by broken PPAs
[16:17] <AlienCat> one?
[16:17] <tomreyn> mirror.one.com is an oofficial ubuntu mirror, thats ok
[16:18] <tomreyn> i don't know which other PPAs you had installed packages from which are now stuck there.
[16:20] <AlienCat> still complains about appstream tho
[16:20] <tomreyn> AlienCat: sudo apt-get install --reinstall apport
[16:20] <tomreyn> does this succeed?
[16:21] <AlienCat> no
[16:22] <AlienCat> http://termbin.com/rijl
[16:22] <AlienCat> need something called site
[16:23] <GrandPa-G> if I have a cron that is scheduled for every sunday at 8 am and on sunday the computer is down, does that mean the cron will never run to catch up?
[16:23] <tomreyn> yeay dpkg segfaulting
[16:23] <tomreyn> AlienCat: i suggest you just reinstall
[16:23] <AlienCat> :|
[16:24] <pavlos> GrandPa-G: correct
[16:25] <tomreyn> AlienCat: it's probably faster. there's a reason why ppa's are not supported, and why each of them says so. be careful with them.
[16:25] <AlienCat> actually
[16:25] <AlienCat> I got this errors becuase I emptied /usr/lib by misstake xD
[16:31] <tomreyn> AlienCat: pointing this our at the start might have been a good idea, too
[16:31] <tomreyn> *ouT
[16:31] <AlienCat> So reinstalling?
[16:32] <AlienCat> just thinks it is annoying reinstalling
[16:32] <tomreyn> i won't spend time on trying to help recover this system. what you do is up to you. reinstall seems like a logical choice.
[16:35] <AlienCat> Okay I am sorry, think you
[16:36] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: you can trigger a cron job at reboot, though. if you combine the two and make sure (in the script that is started) that it does not run too often then you can cover both situations (where the given interval matches and the system is running, and where the system is not running at that time)
[16:37] <tomreyn> man 5 crontab: @reboot        Run once, at startup.
[16:39] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn:so the reboot script checks something (maybe a flag from the weekly) and either do the task if the flag is not set or exit if it has. Am I getting the idea?
[16:42] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: make cron run the script differently @reboot and at regular intervals, passing a different parameter. then have the script logic handle these situations. alternatively, make the script create a lock file and check the age of that lock file at every run.
[16:43] <tomreyn> you could also combine the two
[16:46] <ducasse> GrandPa-G: or use anacron
[16:48] <mitmf> if i install ubuntu to laptop directly, then how can i get driver?
[16:49] <mitmf> like chipset dirver, …..
[16:52] <ducasse> mitmf: most drivers are supplied with the kernel, so you don't need to install them yourself. you might need a different graphics or wifi driver, but that's normally it.
[16:53] <mitmf> then where i can get graphics driver?
[16:53] <ducasse> mitmf: worry about that when you need it.
[16:53] <mitmf> oh
[16:54] <ducasse> mitmf: it depends on gpu etc.
[16:55] <mitmf> i want to buy laptop for installing ubuntu directly, but i don’t know which laptop is good ?
[17:13] <SuperUserock> Hi
[17:16] <empty_cup> i'm setting up sftp chroot for users and it works great except for the ability to log user actions like uploading/downloading of files.
[17:17] <empty_cup> i'm running ubuntu 16.04
[17:19] <empty_cup> oh. i jus read the 'monitor' capability is in OpenSSH 7.6 and otherwise provided by Fedora/RHEL. bummer.
[17:25] <YankDownUnder> empty_cup, Have you read through the sftp-server man page(s) for further information on logging...?
[17:28] <empty_cup> YankDownUnder: I have, I was avoiding the creation of /dev/log in each chrooted account but there may be a path with rsyslog creating the directory on the fly
[17:29] <dmbpplvrywhr> good afternoon.   i am trying to install php5.6, but I am unable to locate a package as there seems to be no  php5-* packages in Ubuntu 17.04
[17:31] <ducasse> dmbpplvrywhr: you're right, there isn't
[17:32] <dmbpplvrywhr> ...
[17:33] <ducasse> dmbpplvrywhr: there is a ppa iirc, but that's at your own risk, of course
[17:33] <dmbpplvrywhr> php5 <> php7 , have significant CODE BREAKING changes ...   unfortunately I am working on very large projects (cost millions to develop) which havn't had their code-base completely rewritten for php7
[17:33] <dmbpplvrywhr> the ppa's are a bit ... sketchy imo :S
[17:34] <ducasse> dmbpplvrywhr: then stick to an ubuntu version that has php5
[17:34] <dmbpplvrywhr> this is kind of nuts  lol....   im either stuck with severly outdated packages using Debian, or bleeding edge with Ubuntu :S
[17:35] <dmbpplvrywhr> well...  some things are bleeding edge.    thought for sure Ubuntu would have a 5 and 7 package
[17:35] <dmbpplvrywhr> you guys maintain a python 2.7 and 3.x package ...
[17:36] <dmbpplvrywhr> both of which are outdated lol
[17:40] <dmbpplvrywhr> well, thanks for confirming my observation -- although distributions seem to be rather sloppy and/or bloated in recent years of literally every major distro (RHEL / CentOS / Debian / and now Ubuntu).   I find them full of crap, and lacking in the most common essentials.  Who the hell uses Python 2.7 anymore ??   seriously -.-
[17:43] <dmbpplvrywhr> php 5.6 was released 28 August 2014 .....    where python 2.7 was released July 3rd, 2010  ---  yet,   you remove php 5.6 (newer package),  and keep something that is at least 4 years older ?
[17:44] <dmbpplvrywhr> and the usage statistics ....  https://w3techs.com/technologies/comparison/pl-php,pl-python       any version of php is way more popular than any version of python.
[17:46] <dmbpplvrywhr> i find it difficult to comprehend any logic in this --  are you sure there is absolutely no official package  (maybe backport ? )   ---  only 'ppa'
[17:47] <ducasse> nothing in xenial-backports, no.
[17:51] <lesshaste> silly question  but when  I run "time foo" and it gives me real	0m54.437s
[17:51] <lesshaste> user	0m27.096s
[17:51] <lesshaste> what does it mean? The computer is mostly idle
[18:01] <pavlos> lesshaste: https://askubuntu.com/questions/53444/how-can-i-measure-the-execution-time-of-a-terminal-process
[18:01] <spearthistle> hi, my tegra chromebook used to boot chrubuntu from usb and ssd, but now just show a blank screen (without any attempt at booting the signed kernel).  everything has been working for a couple of years, but after having to reinstall this new issue has surfaced.  Is this the right group?
[18:02] <de-facto> which is the most *stable* browser software (i dont care for features at all if i get stability and security) for ubuntu? Had bad experience with both Chromium and Firefox...
[18:02] <dmbpplvrywhr> wtf this ppa is a joke
[18:02] <dmbpplvrywhr> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/DDMnz3mS/
[18:03] <tomreyn> lesshaste: 'man 1 time' states:  U: Total number of CPU-seconds that the process used directly (in user mode), in seconds; S: Total number of CPU-seconds used by the system on behalf of the process (in kernel mode), in seconds; E: Elapsed real (wall clock) time used by the process, in [hours:]minutes:seconds.
[18:03] <dmbpplvrywhr> seriously ....    5.6 packages that depend on 7
[18:03] <tomreyn> lesshaste: it also discusses the default format, which starts with "%Uuser %Ssystem %Eelapsed"
[18:06] <dmbpplvrywhr> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/fMu1A2qF/
[18:07] <tomreyn> dmbpplvrywhr: this is not the place to discuss your POV on PPAs or linux distributions, it's exclusively a support channel for (supported installations and configurations) of Ubuntu.
[18:08] <lesshaste> thanks all..all resolved
[18:08] <tomreyn> you could discuss ubuntu more generally in #ubuntu-offtopic, though
[18:08] <dmbpplvrywhr> yes ---  would be nice if Ubunto included one of the most popular packages as part of it's distribution.  I can find hundreds of unused/.unwanted packages included, but you skip this ?    seriously ?
[18:08] <dmbpplvrywhr> is there a reason for it ?
[18:09] <tomreyn> dmbpplvrywhr: did you read what i just wrote?
[18:09] <dmbpplvrywhr> did it blow up ?     call down the death star ?   open a wormhole ?
[18:09] <ducasse> dmbpplvrywhr: just stop now, please
[18:09] <dmbpplvrywhr> i understand, this is specific to the distribution
[18:12] <dmbpplvrywhr> whatever. thank you for confirming there was no logical reason for this.  it was just to be a dick.
[18:19] <tomreyn> geez, some folks...
[18:19] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
[18:40] <robh71> I am setting up a server with apache and i want the virtual hosts to be run under different users, any pointers as to what is the best (current) module to use for this?
[18:44] <gabrielc> mpm-itk ?
[18:45] <robh71> I tried that but it conflicts with mpm_prefork and if I disable mpm_prefork then apache stops working altogether
[18:46] <Richard_Cavell> Hi. I'm on Ubuntu 64-bit 16.04. My computer froze and I did a power off/on cycle. Now when I try software update it says "failed to download repository information".  My Net connection is working fine.  What do I do?
[18:52] <pavlos> Richard_Cavell: does 'sudo apt update' gives you errors in a terminal? can you pastebin that output?
[18:53] <Richard_Cavell> pavlos: http://ideone.com/9hV7kN
[18:53] <Bashing-om> Richard_Cavell: ^^ Also - there are better ways to handle recovering from a freeze incident . File system left in a inconsistent state ? Maybe ?
[18:54] <pavlos> Richard_Cavell: chrome recently (2-3 days ago) changed their key, you need to get the new one
[18:57] <Richard_Cavell> Maybe.  But what do I do?  The computer just froze
[19:01] <Al3xG0> i have too many files i need send command "ls" get output and run.. how do I do that? automatic
[19:01] <tomreyn> Richard_Cavell: a green screen that looks somewhat like a grub menu but isn't a grub menu? what does it say?
[19:02] <tomreyn> Richard_Cavell: try holding down the shift key during boot in case it actually is the grub menu
[19:03] <tomreyn> Al3xG0: what makes you think that you have "too many files"?
[19:03] <Bashing-om> Richard_Cavell: Boot to the grub boot menu; 'e' key for edit mode -> boot paramaeters screen . The line starting with linux arrow across to "quiet splash" replace these terms with fsck.mode=force . Key combo ctl+x to continue the boot process. The system will run file system checks .
[19:03] <tomreyn> Al3xG0: also i'm not sure i understand what exactly you are seeking to automate, can you specify?
[19:04] <Richard_Cavell> Bashing-om: Okay I need to log off.  Here goes...
[19:05] <Al3xG0> tomreyn  i have too many lists i send "ls x0*" i need get output parsing run in "perl script.pl x01" "perl script.pl x02"
[19:07] <tomreyn> Al3xG0: sorry, i still dont understand
[19:11] <tomreyn> Al3xG0: too many lists of what?
[19:11] <Richard_Cavell> Hi. Sorry, I came back.  I got into the GRUB menu and was able to hit e, but the code that appeared was long and complex.  I want to do a fsck on my computer - how do I do this?
[19:11] <Richard_Cavell> (I got to a grub command-line thing but it didn't recognize the fsck command)
[19:11] <tomreyn> Al3xG0: oh, i think i'm getting it now. you have a directory with a lot of file system objects in it, and when you try to list a subset of them using wildcards / shell globbing you get an error message suggesting that too many elenebts match?
[19:11] <tomreyn> *elements
[19:11] <tomreyn> or rather file system objects.
[19:11] <Bashing-om> Richard_Cavell: Di tiu see a line similar " linux    /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-24-generic root=UUID=217ed9a7-e11a-4e32-8c05-992e8c8932b6 ro  quiet splash $vt_handoff" in the resulting screen when 'e' is pressed ?
[19:11] <Richard_Cavell> I see an awful lot of stuff
[19:12] <tomreyn> Al3xG0: if so, use 'find' instead, distribute files across multiple directories (e.g. large sites would create subdirectories taking the name of the first character of a subset of files, so all files starting X would go into the X/ subdirectory)
[19:12] <Al3xG0> tomreyn for file in x0*; do perl open.pl "$file" 2000; done
[19:13] <Al3xG0> is command.
[19:14] <tomreyn> Al3xG0: and this does not work? if so, is there an error message? if so, what does it say? if not, does it behave differently than you expected? if so, how? if not, what is the issue?
[19:21] <Richard_Cavell> Me again. I found a line that looked quite like what you suggested and added fsck.mode=force to the end of the line (is that what you wanted me to do?) I then hit ctrl-X and it booted, but it didn't appear to do any filesystem check.
[19:24] <Bashing-om> Richard_Cavell: The instruction was to replace "quiet splash" . So that one can "see" the noot messages . We can however assume that the file system checks were run and all is good in the file system .
[19:24] <Richard_Cavell> I don't want to assume that
[19:24] <Richard_Cavell> I'm going to replace quiet splash and do it again.
[19:25] <Richard_Cavell> But this change isn't permanent, is it?
[19:25] <Richard_Cavell> Next time I load it'll be back to normal?
[19:25] <oerheks> it is an one time edit indeed
[19:25] <Bashing-om> Richard_Cavell: No the edit will only affect the current boot .
[19:27] <Richard_Cavell> Ok here goes again
[19:32] <Richard_Cavell> Bashing-om: I'm back
[19:33] <Richard_Cavell> After I booted with fsck.mode=force the screen stayed black for about 5 seconds, then it booted normally.  I saw no other evidence of a file system check being done
[19:34] <oerheks> do it from a live iso then
[19:35] <Richard_Cavell> Is there a way I can determine whether that's necessary?
[19:35] <Richard_Cavell> My system updater is still not working
[19:36] <sary> Richard_Cavell: try from recovery mode , #see http://paste.ubuntu.com/25257496/
[19:37] <Richard_Cavell> Drop to a root shell?
[19:38] <tomreyn> Richard_Cavell: recovery mode loads a menu which offers an option to spawn a root shell
[19:38] <sary> you could fix packges with dpkg from within recovery mode as well.
[19:40] <Bashing-om> Richard_Cavell: Do not know what to say . I have run the file system check on my system and I do see fsck running and it's outputs .
[19:40] <TML> I have a 17.04 system where upgrading linux-image-4.10.0-30-generic hangs (I waited over 2 days for it to progress); now I can't install anything with apt because dpkg cannot complete upgrading this package. Any advice?
[19:41] <Bashing-om> TML: What shows ' df -h ; df -i ' for space and inodes usage ?
[19:42] <TML> Bashing-om: df -h shows 12% usage; df -i says 10%
[19:43] <oerheks> ohhhhh google key issue
[19:43] <oerheks> Bashing-om, richard_cavell got a known issue
[19:44] <oerheks> google key is revoked, after 10 years ( pub   dsa1024 2007-03-08 [SC] ) solution: wget -q -O - https://dl.google.com/linux/linux_signing_key.pub | sudo apt-key add -
[19:44] <oerheks> from https://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/
[19:45] <oerheks> Richard_Cavell, sorry, didn't read your pastebin before, you have a known issue
[19:45] <oerheks> not because a reboot, just google key is revoked, after 10 years ( pub   dsa1024 2007-03-08 [SC] ) solution: wget -q -O - https://dl.google.com/linux/linux_signing_key.pub | sudo apt-key add -
[19:45] <oerheks> from https://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/
[19:46] <oerheks> this started friday morning :-)
[19:46] <Richard_Cavell> oerheks: Hallelujah!  You have fixed my computer!
[19:46] <Richard_Cavell> Thank you, sir
[19:46] <oerheks> and to delete the old key, sudo apt-key del 7FAC5991
[19:47] <oerheks> the 8 digits are the last 8 numbers on the full key, as shown in your sources keys
[19:49] <oerheks> so actually it is a milestone :-)
[19:49] <Richard_Cavell> oerheks: I shall sing your praises in other channels.
[19:50] <oerheks> please spread it, thank you. ( and have fun!)
[19:50] <tomreyn> uuh dsa-1 keys in 2017
[20:02] <e-vent> Anyone know why my ubuntu is stuck at loading initial ram disk after a disk clone?
[20:02] <e-vent> I've regenerated grub and initramfs
[20:03] <e-vent> The standard boot options do not work
[20:03] <e-vent> but recovery does boot
[20:03] <e-vent> I expect either none or both to work so I don't understand what is going on
[20:09] <e-vent> reinstalled grub and have the same issue
[20:09] <tomreyn> try removing quiet + splash options off the default boot
[20:09] <e-vent> defaults do not boot
[20:09] <e-vent> recovery does
[20:09] <e-vent> quiet and splash are not set
[20:10] <tomreyn> does it not say why it drops you to initrd shell though?
[20:10] <tomreyn> or does it really get stuck?
[20:10] <e-vent> All I see is, loading initramfs and freezes
[20:10] <e-vent> I hit Ctrl Alt Del and it reboots
[20:11] <e-vent> So it cannot have loaded it
[20:11] <e-vent> Or that is as I understand it
[20:12] <e-vent> What I dont understand is
[20:12] <tomreyn> it can take a while to tell you what the error seems to be, did you wait up to 5 minutes?
[20:12] <e-vent> how recovery can boot
[20:12] <e-vent> if default cant
[20:12] <e-vent> I'll leave it for a bit and see
[20:12] <e-vent> but pretty sure I did
[20:12] <e-vent> recovery is happy to resume a normal boot afterward
[20:12] <e-vent> so I just don't get what is going on
[20:13] <oerheks> i hope no encrypted home or such?
[20:13] <tomreyn> clones drives suggests uuids ar eno longe runique, i guess, maybe that's the issue
[20:14] <e-vent> it is in LVM
[20:14] <e-vent> #but no encryption
[20:14] <MarcisB> Hello all ubuntu
[20:14] <oerheks> lvm, important information
[20:14] <e-vent> tomreyn, I checked the UUIDs
[20:14] <MarcisB> Hello i have problem with chrome installation on ubuntu
[20:14] <e-vent> it should be fine
[20:14] <e-vent> as for the LVM
[20:14] <e-vent> it boots fine in recovery, so LVM shouldn't be an issue?
[20:15] <oerheks> MarcisB, let me guess, google key error wile updating?
[20:15] <MarcisB> oerheks,  Yeees
[20:15] <MarcisB> How i can fix it
[20:15] <MarcisB> ) =
[20:15] <oerheks> MarcisB, known issue,  google key is revoked, after 10 years ( pub   dsa1024 2007-03-08 [SC] ) solution: wget -q -O - https://dl.google.com/linux/linux_signing_key.pub | sudo apt-key add -
[20:15] <oerheks> from https://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/
[20:15] <oerheks> and to delete the old key after that,  sudo apt-key del 7FAC5991
[20:16] <e-vent> having to use advanced options to see anything at all
[20:16] <e-vent> default boot is just black screen
[20:20] <e-vent> Literally do not even know how to debug this
[20:22] <e-vent> I don't even understand how I get no output from this when quiet is not set...
[20:22] <EriC^^> e-vent: did you try checking the logs?
[20:23] <EriC^^> /var/log/boot.log
[20:23] <e-vent> I don't know what to check for
[20:23] <e-vent> default doesn't even boot
[20:23] <e-vent> I'll check the recovery boot logs now
[20:24] <e-vent> boot.log does not exist
[20:25] <EriC^^> try kern.log
[20:25] <EriC^^> did you try booting with nomodeset?
[20:26] <e-vent> default is to do so with nomodeset
[20:26] <e-vent> kern log has truncated output
[20:26] <EriC^^> odd
[20:27] <e-vent> firewall stuff
[20:27] <EriC^^> why do you usually boot with nomodeset?
[20:27] <e-vent> its overwritten
[20:27] <e-vent> I have an issue with a GPU
[20:27] <e-vent> it needs to be blacklisted
[20:27] <EriC^^> oh
[20:27] <e-vent> gma500 crap
[20:28] <EriC^^> e-vent: which ubuntu version is it?
[20:28] <e-vent> server 16.04
[20:28] <e-vent> or the most up to date version of
[20:28] <e-vent> LTS
[20:30] <EriC^^> try "grep Storage /etc/systemd/journald.conf"
[20:32] <e-vent> #Storage=Auto
[20:33] <EriC^^> e-vent: change it to Persistent
[20:33] <e-vent> remove # also I assume?
[20:33] <EriC^^> *persistent
[20:33] <EriC^^> yeah
[20:34] <e-vent> rebooted
[20:34] <EriC^^> e-vent: ok once it crashes, use the recovery and try "journalctl --boot=-1"
[20:35] <e-vent> crash?
[20:35] <e-vent> it doesnt get past the initramfs
[20:35] <SomeDamnBody> Does anybody know how to set up the llvm version for 16.04 to 4.0 and not 3.8?
[20:35] <SomeDamnBody> I'm having some compile errors, and I think it is because of my default llvm version
[20:35] <EriC^^> e-vent: did you try an older kernel?
[20:35] <e-vent> I have only 2
[20:36] <e-vent> neither work by default
[20:36] <e-vent> only on recovery
[20:36] <e-vent> as I said
[20:36] <e-vent> I cloned this disk from another
[20:36] <TML> anyone else have input/advice on my broken dpkg / linux-image-4.10.0-30-generic issue?
[20:45] <e-vent> waited 7 minutes
[20:45] <e-vent> no errors
[20:45] <e-vent> no output
[20:46] <e-vent> stuck at Loading initial ramdisk.
[20:46] <e-vent> How on earth can it load the same kernel in recovery mode
[20:46] <e-vent> but not normal
[20:47] <EriC^^> try adding debug in the kernel line as well as removing quiet splash
[20:47] <EriC^^> also try asking in ##linux
[20:47] <e-vent> None of this even makes sense
[20:47] <e-vent> either it should work for none or both
[20:49] <MarcisB> I cant install chrome because i see dependency isnt satisfable
[20:50] <MarcisB> In software center
[20:50] <MarcisB> ) =
[20:50] <MarcisB> libfontconfig issue
[20:50] <EriC^^> MarcisB: try running the command in the terminal and paste the output in a pastebin
[20:51] <MarcisB> ok
[20:52] <sary> e-vent: i would check ls -l /boot , and df -h , also try preforming a filesystem check #see http://paste.ubuntu.com/25257496/
[20:52] <sary> Also, which GPU is used ..
[20:53] <sary> and display/login manager.. check the logs in /var/log/
[20:54] <e-vent> File system is fine
[20:54] <e-vent> It has to be or recovery wont boot
[20:54] <e-vent> There's no DE or GUI
[20:54] <e-vent> just terminal
[20:55] <oerheks> depends, if you have partitions mounted somewhere, recovery would skip that.
[20:55] <MarcisB> EriC^^, https://pastebin.com/fs90iUy3 Here : )
[20:55] <MarcisB> https://pastebin.com/fs90iUy3 I cant install chrome i see this in terminal  : (
[20:56] <sary> e-vent: can you see the voice , and hear the light! .. if you don't see the logs how can you tell what's going on..!
[20:57] <e-vent> there are no logs
[20:57] <e-vent> it does not boot
[20:58] <sary> What is defualt kernel boot options line in grub ..! /etc/default/grub
[20:59] <e-vent> gimmie a min
[20:59] <e-vent> need to go into recovery
[20:59] <Bashing-om> MarcisB: EriC^^ What release are we working ? . " 4.12-0ubuntu0.12.04.1. "
[21:00] <e-vent> default=0
[21:00] <MarcisB> Bashing-om,  Yes
[21:00] <Bashing-om> MarcisB: Show ' lsb_release -a ' .
[21:01] <MarcisB> Bashing-om, How i can use this command?
[21:02] <sary> e-vent: how about GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= , and GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= !
[21:04] <Bashing-om> MarcisB: Execute in terminal ' lsb_release -a | nc termbin.com 9999 ' and pass the resulting URL kink back here . Need to know the kernel we are working with .
[21:04] <Bashing-om> kink/link*
[21:05] <e-vent> modprobe.blacklist=gma500_gfx nomodeset
[21:08] <sary> e-vent: remove them and place "text" in there , see if oy shows logs , also how are the premissions set on $HOME try reseting chown owner:owner /home/owner/* , chown owner:owner /home/owner/.* .. from the root shell in recovery .
[21:09] <sary> s/oy/it*
[21:09] <sary> where owner is your username... e-vent
[21:09] <e-vent> dunno how many times I'll say it
[21:09] <e-vent> it doesnt load the initial ramdisk
[21:09] <e-vent> no logs
[21:11] <sary>  I didn't see that you mentioned it..
[21:11] <e-vent> permissions are not a problem
[21:11] <e-vent> this is a disk that was cloned
[21:11] <e-vent> the other disk works fine
[21:16] <sary> e-vent: my finall suggestions would be to set GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" , GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
[21:16] <sary> and run the dpkg fix.
[21:16] <Bashing-om> e-vent: A thought - both drives installed such that there is a conflict in UUIDs ?
[21:19] <e-vent> no
[21:19] <e-vent> disconnecting them
[21:19] <e-vent> I've just booted the old disk
[21:19] <e-vent> and its not working except in recovery
[21:19] <e-vent> just like the other one
[21:19] <e-vent> which means it must have been an update...
[21:19] <e-vent> which is
[21:19] <e-vent> insane
[21:19] <e-vent> none of this even makes godamn sense
[21:20] <e-vent> the initial file system doesnt load
[21:20] <e-vent> unless in recovery....
[21:20] <e-vent> WHAT?
[21:21] <Bashing-om> e-vent: recovery == "nomodeset" I would be looking at the graphic's driver . GMA500 ? Not good support .
[21:21] <e-vent> already said
[21:22] <e-vent> nomodeset is on my default
[21:23] <sary> Do you even know what nomodeset disables!
[21:25] <e-vent> in this case
[21:25] <Bashing-om> e-vent: Nother thought to try and see what is not going on . Boot explictly from grub by telling grub what to boot from ? See what grub reports back in terminal .
[21:25] <e-vent> it fixes an issue I have with GMA500 drivers never putting any output
[21:25] <e-vent> Bashing-om, what will that achieve?
[21:26] <e-vent> It will just get stuck at initial ram fs surely?
[21:27] <TML> dpkg hangs on "/usr/bin/perl /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-4.10.0-30-generic.postinst configure"
[21:29] <e-vent> jesus christ I feel like I'm taking crazy pills
[21:29] <e-vent> I reset the bios
[21:29] <e-vent> and now it boots?
[21:29] <e-vent> wtf
[21:29] <e-vent> what the hell has the bios got to do with initramfs loading?
[21:29] <hggdh> e-vent: please calm down
[21:30] <e-vent> its like having the engine not starting in your car and you change the headlights and it starts...
[21:31] <hggdh> e-vent: you will need to find out what was changed from previous BIOS settings
[21:31] <TML> e-vent: if you're using a machine with a UEFI BIOS, it's actually not as disconnected as it might seem
[21:31] <Bashing-om> TML: Operational head room ? What shows ' df -h ; df -i ' ?
[21:31] <e-vent> I didn't change anything in the bios
[21:31] <oerheks> it would explained i guess, as you have cloned it
[21:31] <e-vent> I literally fired up clonezilla and cloned it
[21:31] <TML> Bashing-om: already answered - over 10TB of disk free, and only 10% of inodes used
[21:32] <Bashing-om> TML: Yhen header ? '
[21:32] <e-vent> It does use UEFI
[21:32] <TML> Bashing-om: I don't understand what you're asking
[21:32] <TML> e-vent: UEFI BIOS and initramfs interact
[21:32] <e-vent> bloody hell
[21:32] <oerheks> uefi .. and a gma500 gpu ?
[21:33] <e-vent> yes asrock server board
[21:33] <e-vent> I've never heard of anything like this
[21:33] <Bashing-om> TML: Then headers ? ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' .
[21:33] <e-vent> UEFI retains stuff from a previous install?
[21:34] <oerheks> biospassword perhaps?
[21:34] <TML> Bashing-om: linux-image-extra-4.10.0-30-generic linux-image-4.10.0-30-generic linux-headers-4.10.0-30-generic linux-headers-generic
[21:35] <e-vent> I've never heard of anything like this before
[21:35] <e-vent> the UEFI must be getting confused because its got some form of IDs retained
[21:35] <e-vent> from the last "install" / disk
[21:35] <e-vent> then
[21:35] <TML> e-vent: it's part of the whole point of UEFI - to make the BIOS more aware of the OS
[21:35] <e-vent> won't work with the cloned disk
[21:35] <e-vent> wew
[21:35] <Bashing-om> TML: Got me . maybe pastebin ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' see that the package manager is in a consistent state .
[21:35] <e-vent> I've never heard of this documented
[21:36] <e-vent> i knew uefi was making stuff a lot more accessible OS to BIOS while
[21:37] <TML> Bashing-om: no errors
[21:39] <Bashing-om> TML: Well ! grasping // what are you installing and how that dpkg screams ? "/usr/bin/perl /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-4.10.0-30-generic.postinst configure" ?
[21:40] <GrandPa-G> Is there a place in syslog that shows what ip was bound to eth0 at boot time?
[21:40] <TML> Bashing-om: I did "apt upgrade" on Friday in a disconnected screen session; when I logged in this morning, it was still running. I cannot apt install anything now because it complains about dpkg being inconsistent, and "dpkg --configure -a" hangs on that
[21:41] <TML> e-vent: Under UEFI, the bootloader is actually stored inside the BIOS in the "EFI System Partition" (or "ESP").
[21:42] <TML> e-vent: if it tries to jump to the location stored in the ESP, and that location doesn't exist, you will have a boot hang
[21:43] <TML> e-vent: resetting the BIOS probably flushed the portion of NVRAM which contains the ESP, so it went and found the new location instead of trying to continue going to the missing location
[21:43] <e-vent> any idea how to properly clone and move?
[21:44] <TML> No, I don't actually use UEFI systems for reasons just like this :)
[21:44] <e-vent> no kidding
[21:45] <e-vent> I assume that explains why recovery still works?
[21:45] <e-vent> And recovery pulls it from the disk and not the EFI?
[21:46] <TML> Maybe - I can't speak to that, sorry
[21:46] <Bashing-om> TML: Any joy ' sudo apt -f install ' sudo dpkg -C ' ? where the -f is fix missing .
[21:48] <TML> Bashing-om: "apt -f install" is hung trying to install the kernel
[21:49] <TML> Bashing-om: "dpkg -C" says that linux-image-extra-4.10.0-30-generic is "half-configured"
[21:50] <Bashing-om> TML: pastenin ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' See what else is nessed up . Maybe all we have to do is re-install the -30 kernel .
[21:53] <TML> Bashing-om: https://gist.github.com/tml/81f244bb11aa88d4612d9de34d9a608f
[21:53] <TML> Bashing-om: no idea what the 19 and 28 are doing in there
[21:53] <TML> maybe I can purge those
[21:56] <TML> hm - that hangs too
[21:58] <Bashing-om> TML: Yeah .. the 1st fields of the dpkg output say there are serious issues . Pastebin ' ls -al /usr/src/ ' ls -al /lib/modules/ ; ls -al /boot ' . See what is missing and what we can do .
[22:12] <GrandPa-G> has anyone done this "Edit /etc/dhcpcd.conf and add a single line to the bottom of the file "noipv6rs" as described in https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/59657/too-many-dhcpcd-router-available-message-in-the-syslog and not had any side effects?
[22:12] <roothorick> trying to update, apt hangs at installing linux-headers-4.4.0-89. Doesn't even respond to ctrl-C, have to kill it from another terminal.
[22:20] <TML> roothorick: that's funny, mine is doing the same thing but it's version 4.10.0-30
[22:20] <roothorick> somehow, turning on debugging fixed it
[22:21] <psychoticwarrior>  i have a /boot partition as ntfs now does this include boot and kernel images from other operating systems
 it says system reserved
 how do i find out how big /boot is
 i know i can use gparted
 it says only 100M
[22:21] <roothorick> ...or not. Now hanging on linux-headers-4.4.0-89-generic
[22:22] <oerheks> a /boot partition as ntfs .. not supported in ubuntu
[22:22] <psychoticwarrior> ok
[22:22] <psychoticwarrior> now does that include kernel images or just /boot for windows
[22:23] <roothorick> maybe my OS array is too fast and causes a deadlock? I don't know
[22:24] <oerheks> psychoticwarrior, you have a efi partition?
[22:24] <psychoticwarrior> not sure
[22:24] <oerheks> that should be fat32, iirc
[22:24] <oerheks> !uefi
[22:24] <psychoticwarrior> ok im not sure
[22:24] <psychoticwarrior> i have a triple boot system
[22:25] <roothorick> yeah. Somehow turning on debugging makes it work
[22:25] <roothorick> makes no sense
[22:26] <roothorick> psychoticwarrior: that's a recovery partition for Windows Vista and later. Highly doubt you can put it to any meaningful use in Linux
[22:26] <psychoticwarrior> true
[22:27] <psychoticwarrior> will it screw up my system if it uses all 100M
[22:27] <psychoticwarrior> yea thats what it says recovery
[22:27] <roothorick> unless you break Windows you shouldn't even be mounting it
[22:27] <roothorick> unless you want to break Windows*
[22:27] <psychoticwarrior> i should of known that
[22:27] <psychoticwarrior> no i need windows too
[22:27] <psychoticwarrior> and im using kali linux
[22:27] <psychoticwarrior> and ubuntu
[22:28] <roothorick> if it's an EFI system there will also be a FAT partition that the system FW uses to find what to boot
[22:29] <psychoticwarrior> true
[22:29] <psychoticwarrior> its using ntfs though
[22:29] <roothorick> Then that's NOT the EFI partition
[22:29] <psychoticwarrior> ok
[22:29] <psychoticwarrior> what is then
[22:29] <psychoticwarrior> Device     Boot      Start        End    Sectors   Size Id Type
[22:29] <psychoticwarrior> shit didnt copy
[22:30] <roothorick> it's a boot and recovery partition for Windows. It serves no purpose until the Windows chainloader has started. Leave it alone.
[22:30] <roothorick> seriously, IGNORE it
[22:30] <psychoticwarrior> ok
[22:30] <psychoticwarrior> the sda6 is / for kali
[22:30] <psychoticwarrior> sda7 is ubuntu
[22:31] <psychoticwarrior> sda2 is windows
[22:31] <roothorick> what are 3-5?
[22:32] <psychoticwarrior> extended is 3
[22:32] <psychoticwarrior> 5 is linux swap
[22:32] <roothorick> so legacy partition table
[22:32] <psychoticwarrior> ya i guess so
[22:33] <roothorick> in that case there will be no common /boot. The BIOS executes the MBR at the start of the disk, which typically is the first stage of GRUB. GRUB then loads its configuration and etc. from some other partition, typically the / or /boot of one of the Linux installs
[22:33] <roothorick> I don't know exactly how multi-Linux interacts
[22:35] <psychoticwarrior> i know how to install and config
[22:35] <psychoticwarrior> dont really know the inner workings
[22:35] <roothorick> what's the issue you're having anyway?
[22:36] <psychoticwarrior> nothing really
[22:36] <psychoticwarrior> just want to know what /boot is for windows. and what it does
[22:36] <psychoticwarrior> system reserved
[22:38] <roothorick> IIRC it contains parts of NTLDR and a special recovery image
[22:38] <psychoticwarrior> ok
[22:39] <psychoticwarrior> i guess it kinda serves a purpose
[22:39] <roothorick> deleting it WILL hose Windows
[22:40] <roothorick> it's possible to make Windows work without it but you need to modify the BCD
[22:40] <roothorick> which is well beyond the scope of this channel obviously
[22:43] <unicornjedi> does anyone here have time to help me setup snapshots?
[22:54] <TML> Bashing-om: Figured out what's hanging -  "/sbin/mdadm --examine --scan --config=partitions"
[22:56] <Bashing-om> TML: Good work !
[22:57] <TML> Still have to get to the bottom of why mdadm is even running - it's a single partition disk
[22:57] <Bashing-om> TML: Encryption ?
[22:58] <TML> ah - yep, that's probably it
[22:58] <TML> encrypted homedirs
[22:58] <jnewt> how can i get a right click send selected files to zip archive on ubuntu-mate?
[23:34] <pconwell> Trying to set up windows 10 guest on headless ubuntu server using virutal box. Any suggestions? The VM will run, but when I connect to the windows 10 guest using RDP, it just shows the windows logo and nothing happens.
[23:41] <pconwell> If I use an ubuntu live CD instead of the windows ISO cd, it works fine -- so it seems to be something with windows install. I've checked the MD5 of the windows install iso
[23:59] <dos000> how do i start the system-settings from the command line ?
[23:59] <dos000> i am on ubuntu 17.04