| Mister_Q | Morning guys | 07:33 |
|---|---|---|
| Mister_Q | popey, wanna do the follow up hangout this week? | 07:33 |
| mhall119 | czajkowski: wow, evman.io is fantastic! | 13:51 |
| czajkowski | yes | 13:52 |
| czajkowski | :D | 13:52 |
| czajkowski | makes my life very simple | 13:52 |
| czajkowski | https://devrel.net/tools/evman-event-management-tool-devrel-teams | 13:53 |
| mhall119 | ugh, why does it have to be ruby | 14:09 |
| czajkowski | lol | 14:13 |
| czajkowski | thats what Laurent said | 14:13 |
| czajkowski | but he's been submitting back features and has his own version running | 14:13 |
| ahoneybun | does anyone know when the list for CC voting will be out? | 14:18 |
| mhall119 | ahoneybun: it's usually pretty soon after mark short-lists candidates | 14:39 |
| ahoneybun | mhall119: I have a slight feeling I will be short-listed | 15:04 |
| ahoneybun | popey: so my prof at my Microsoft Server class does not use Ubuntu because of the Amazon spyware | 16:19 |
| ahoneybun | just wanted to share that | 16:20 |
| popey | What do they use ahoneybun ? | 16:20 |
| ahoneybun | well for server he uses CentOS but he has Windows on Desktop | 16:21 |
| ahoneybun | but has the WSL I think | 16:21 |
| popey | and he is worried about spyware? | 16:21 |
| ahoneybun | I told him the flavors don't have the amazon stuff | 16:21 |
| popey | Neither does Ubuntu | 16:22 |
| ahoneybun | he says it's against the GPL | 16:22 |
| popey | what is? | 16:22 |
| ahoneybun | it's on the ISO so it is shipped | 16:22 |
| ahoneybun | shipping spyware | 16:22 |
| popey | well, it's okay to be wrong | 16:22 |
| ahoneybun | the Unity spyware is still shipped I think tbh | 16:24 |
| ahoneybun | popey: where can I get the package list? | 16:28 |
| ahoneybun | cdimage does not have the desktop image just server | 16:28 |
| popey | the online search feature that you fondly call spyware, was disabled in 16.04 | 16:29 |
| popey | so perhaps they're using an older release | 16:29 |
| popey | but from 16.04 onwards there is no online search. It can be re-enabled. | 16:30 |
| popey | There _is_ an Amazon icon in the launcher by default, but that is literally a shortcut to their website with a tag in the url, nothing more. | 16:30 |
| popey | you could boot a vm of a clean install to show what's installed. | 16:30 |
| popey | but i know for sure that it was removed in 16.04 because I was one of the people lobbying for it. So I remember it quite vividly. | 16:31 |
| ahoneybun | disabled =/ not installed | 16:32 |
| hggdh | ahoneybun: you have control over it; it is *not* enabled by default. | 16:33 |
| popey | ahoneybun: to be clear, what is your definition of "spyware"? | 16:33 |
| hggdh | and it is a long way from being spyware | 16:33 |
| hggdh | or, better, what is the prof's definition of spyware? | 16:34 |
| popey | To be 100% clear. The online search feature in the dash is _off_ by default in 16.04 and beyond. | 16:35 |
| pleia2 | by the haters definition of spyware, most of the internet is spyware (search engines, social media, etc) | 16:35 |
| hggdh | ^ indeed | 16:35 |
| popey | The online search which searched stores for relevant things is _not_ installed in 16.04 and beyond | 16:35 |
| pleia2 | based on observation, these are people who already dislike Ubuntu for whatever reason and are just looking for an excuse | 16:35 |
| popey | so ahoneybun it's both disabled (no traffic leaving your machine when you search in the dash) and it's not installed (no information transmitted to amazon or whoever) by default. | 16:36 |
| pleia2 | (including our free software luminaries, who have long hated Canonical and the commercialization of Linux) | 16:36 |
| popey | http://imgur.com/a/czMSP this is the default in 16.04 | 16:37 |
| popey | http://imgur.com/a/7v7oB this is what happens if you flip the online search on in 16.04 | 16:38 |
| popey | It doesn't search amazon (or the other stores - it wasn't only amazon, contrary to popular opinion) even if you turn it on | 16:38 |
| popey | ahoneybun: It's certainly an interesting discussion to have. There's a lot of misinformation out there. | 16:40 |
| popey | Unfortunately much of it is well ingraned, so once someone has that perspective, shifting it is hard. | 16:40 |
| hggdh | cognitive bias is expected. Once one accepts something as a tautological truth, changing opinions is difficult | 16:43 |
| hggdh | but it always irks me when a so-called professor does not keep updated with the developments | 16:44 |
| popey | I'm sure if I was a professor I couldn't be expected to keep up with everything :) | 16:44 |
| hggdh | no, not with everything, it is rather difficult, if not impossible. But if I, as a professor, state something, I should at least try to make sure it is up-to-date | 16:45 |
| hggdh | and not based on old hearsay | 16:46 |
| czajkowski | if a prof is calling that spyware, I'd question his ability to be a prof tbh, clearly doesnt know what he's talking about | 16:47 |
| czajkowski | well at least if you're going to say something make sure your facts were correct | 16:47 |
| hggdh | when I was teaching, I would say "I do not know" if I did not know something; in some cases, this might end as a project, to find more | 16:48 |
| hggdh | (involving the class) | 16:49 |
| ahoneybun | czajkowski: reading stallman | 16:50 |
| ahoneybun | but I don't question his ability | 16:50 |
| czajkowski | ahoneybun: who is ? | 16:51 |
| ahoneybun | my prof | 16:51 |
| ahoneybun | tbf Stallman is on the very end of extream | 16:51 |
| ahoneybun | *extreme | 16:51 |
| hggdh | RMS is a true visionary. Pretty much as all true visionaries, his position is at one extreme | 16:51 |
| ahoneybun | spyware I think would be anything that sends data out to a 3rd party | 16:52 |
| ahoneybun | but that makes any Google product/service as one | 16:52 |
| hggdh | visionaries are important (but not always correct) | 16:52 |
| hggdh | spyware should be anything that collects data without (1) clearly informing it is doing so; (2) clearly informing what it will be used for; (3) not offering you a way to decline | 16:53 |
| ahoneybun | tho I'm sure all Canoncial employees are done hearing about the spyware thing lol | 16:53 |
| hggdh | yes, it will be going on for a long time. But then this is true on pretty much anything Canonical does, since there is this bad blood | 16:54 |
| ahoneybun | czajkowski: tbf he teaches Microsoft Server anyway | 16:55 |
| hggdh | and, by extension, with Ubuntu | 16:55 |
| ahoneybun | but does use CentOS and such | 16:55 |
| hggdh | which is owned by RH... | 16:56 |
| ahoneybun | and? | 16:56 |
| hggdh | I am always surprised that people see CentOS (or Fedora) as something independent from RH, and see Ubuntu and see Ubuntu as "what Canonical wants" | 16:58 |
| ahoneybun | I did not say that | 16:59 |
| hggdh | I know. | 17:00 |
| ahoneybun | CentOS for him is much better then Ubuntu Server | 17:00 |
| ahoneybun | as Companies use RH and SUSE more | 17:00 |
| hggdh | and Oracle Linux, pretty much forced on anyone that deploys Oracle on Linux | 17:02 |
| hggdh | (which, BTW, still carries (c) from RH) | 17:02 |
| ahoneybun | yea we talked about that | 17:03 |
| inetpro | talking about the search stuff being disabled, why would I get the following on a minimal 16.04 server installation? | 19:07 |
| inetpro | Aug 8 20:53:57 localhost.localdomain /usr/lib/snapd/snapd[8060]: retry.go:61: DEBUG: The retry loop for https://search.apps.ubuntu.com/api/v1/snaps/metadata finished after 4 retries, elapsed time=40.001806181s, status: Post https://search.apps.ubuntu.com/api/v1/snaps/metadata: net/http: request canceled while waiting for connection (Client.Timeout exceeded while awaiting headers) | 19:07 |
| hggdh | (which, BTW, still carries (c) from RH)/join #ubuntu-communitycouncil | 19:08 |
| hggdh | sigh | 19:08 |
| inetpro | obvously on a private network with no direct connectivity, hence why it is failing | 19:08 |
| popey | inetpro: snapd looking for updates | 19:09 |
| inetpro | and if I don't use snapd? | 19:10 |
| popey | inetpro: one for http://forum.snapcraft.io/ perhaps? | 19:10 |
| mhall119 | it'll still look | 19:10 |
| mhall119 | same as update-manager | 19:10 |
| popey | you can uninstall snapd if you dont use it | 19:10 |
| inetpro | is there a good reason to have snapd installed by default? | 19:12 |
| popey | yes, so people can install snaps :) | 19:12 |
| inetpro | ok, let me rephrase... could there be a good reason to have snapd installed on a typical web server | 19:13 |
| popey | sure, if the owner wanted to install snaps of applications on it :D | 19:14 |
| popey | nextcloud, postgresql, other databases etc | 19:14 |
| popey | which will only work if you open the firewall to the store, currently | 19:14 |
| * inetpro clearly needs to explore snapd a little more | 19:15 | |
| inetpro | ansible xenial-servers -m apt -sKa "name=snapd state=absent purge=yes" | 19:30 |
| ahoneybun | popey: OpenHelp would be a good platform for it | 21:40 |
| ahoneybun | that https://popey.com/blog/posts/ubuntu-community-hub-proposal.html | 21:40 |
| ahoneybun | GNOME docs people are going to be there | 21:40 |
| ahoneybun | also I think this can go: https://docs.ubuntu.com/phone/en/ | 21:44 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!