[01:24] <mingdao> oerheks: so here I am ;)
[01:29] <mingdao> bazhang: think I remember you from Debian?
[01:29] <bazhang> no idea
[01:30] <bazhang> running the non-released version means proviging info for bugfixing for one
[01:30] <mingdao> bug link please?
[01:30] <bazhang> for what
[01:31]  * mingdao hopes it's bugzilla and not Jira
[01:31] <mingdao> "means proviging info for bugfixing for one"
[01:31] <mingdao> where's the bug tracker?
[01:31] <bazhang> !bugs | mingdao 
[01:31] <mingdao> k
[01:34] <mingdao> this is the second hard drive in the computer
[01:34] <mingdao> it was zeroed, no partition table
[01:35] <mingdao> would one expect the files to be in (hd1,gpt2) ?
[01:35] <mingdao> small text but it looks like that is /
[01:36] <mingdao> and under /boot there's efi/ and grub/ as well as the kernel, and initrd, and other files
[01:37] <bazhang> mingdao, whats the question
[01:37] <mingdao> would one expect the files to be in (hd1,gpt2) ? 
[01:38] <mingdao> what's the deal? did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed?
[01:38] <bazhang> pardon?
[01:43] <mingdao> got it to boot from grub> but don't understand why the installer didn't install the bootloader
[01:44] <bazhang> mingdao, did it ever actually boot
[01:45] <bazhang> mingdao, and was this a straight install,of a failed upgrade
[01:45] <bazhang> or a
[01:45] <mingdao> < mingdao> it was zeroed, no partition table
[01:46] <mingdao> booted with the USB and choose the Install option
[01:46] <mingdao> and no, it didn't boot
[01:46] <bazhang> how was the iso written to usb
[01:46] <mingdao> when I clicked the Restart or whatever the GUI said after the install, it segfaulted with a nouveau error fir
[01:47] <mingdao> first
[01:48] <bazhang> mingdao, how was the iso written to usb, from what os, using which software method
[01:49] <mingdao> from Gentoo with dd iirc
[01:49] <bazhang> was the iso hash checked
[01:49] <mingdao> I've installed it using this flash drive several times and it's not always installed the same
[01:49] <mingdao> ofc
[01:50] <mingdao> you can skip that if you'd like, I'm booted into it now
[01:50] <bazhang> so it boots to the installer gui
[01:51] <mingdao> yes
[01:52] <mingdao> mingdao@workstation ~/Downloads $ sha256sum artful-desktop-amd64.iso 
[01:52] <mingdao> 64c1f55e339874d9feaecf27a47255f32e212c455d66e82e57091248113f6fbf  artful-desktop-amd64.iso
[01:52] <bazhang> so the issue is the burning iso to usb
[01:52] <bazhang> thats often the case
[01:52] <mingdao> hey, that's not how I made the flash drive
[01:53] <bazhang> especially with alpha 2 software
[01:53] <mingdao> it was some instructions for using gnome disks or some such, not dd
[01:53] <mingdao> is the image bootable if you just use dd?
[01:54] <bazhang> no matter the method, those sometimes take more than the once, particurly with just enter alpha 2
[01:54] <mingdao> I used the instructions here http://ubuntu-mate.org/how-to-create-bootable-usb-drive/
[01:54] <mingdao> first time I even fired up that app; been using Gnome3 for 2+ years
[01:54] <mingdao> looking now for a later released version
[01:54] <bazhang> I never used dd, got the full on working usb installer, 17.10 has been near flawless since
[01:54] <mingdao> I don't mind bleeing edge
[01:55] <bazhang> a couple of minor hiccups
[01:55] <mingdao> I worked on the Slackware Project for 7 years before moving on to Gentoo
[01:55] <mingdao> and for the last 2 years on Funtoo almost exclusively
[01:55] <mingdao> so it's not my first rodeo
[01:56] <mingdao> Debian was installed on this little mSATA until yesterday when I started trying Ubuntu
[01:56] <mingdao> first time since I got this laptop in March 2014 that I've had a 3200x1800 16:9 desktop
[01:56] <mingdao> nice, but, had to change that to 1920x1080
[01:58] <bazhang> mingdao, rodeo or not, alpha is whole new ballgame, expect breakage, often severe
[01:59] <mingdao> no worries
[01:59] <mingdao> I run ~arch Gentoo
[02:00] <mingdao> you don't get much more breakage than that
[02:00] <mingdao> I'm just rather allergic to gooeys that hide what's happening ;)
[02:01] <mingdao> just finished up work on gnome-3.24 with elogind; no systemd, no consolekit
[02:01] <mingdao> so there are a lot of pieces on the floor around here
[02:03] <bazhang> mingdao, you did this prior or after the install
[02:06] <mingdao> what is this?
[02:06] <bazhang> gnome-3.24 with elogind; no systemd, no consolekit
[02:07] <bazhang> is that related to what we are doing here
[02:07] <mingdao> really?
[02:07] <mingdao> I'm sorry, I thought you were a developer for some reason
[02:07] <bazhang> I have no idea why you posted that
[02:08] <mingdao> maybe I'm confusing you with someone else
[02:08] <bazhang> we were trying to get you a fully working install
[02:08] <mingdao> nvm
[02:08] <mingdao> I'm working on it now
[02:08] <mingdao> it's installed, and running
[02:18] <mingdao> how to learn from "apt-get <command>", or some other way, which is the lastest available nvidia driver?
[02:18] <mingdao> issued "apt-get" but I don't see it there
[02:18] <bazhang> mingdao, if you want more direct contact with developers, join the artful mailing list
[02:18] <mingdao> right now I just want to get some stuff ready to use this at work tomorrow
[02:19] <mingdao> am a simple man
[02:19] <mingdao> was that your answer to my last question?
[02:19] <bazhang> nopers
[02:22] <mingdao> do you know the answer?
[02:23] <bazhang> to find the current nivida drivers for you machine
[02:23] <mingdao> yes
[02:23] <bazhang> what is the card
[02:24] <mingdao> NVIDIA Corporation GK107M [GeForce GT 750M] (rev a1)
[02:24] <mingdao> also has the Intel ofc
[02:34] <Bashing-om> mingdao: kabylake for Intel ?
[02:35] <mingdao> Skylake
[02:35] <mingdao> also my wired NIC didn't load
[02:40] <Bashing-om> mingdao: kabylake see: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2364663 .
[03:27] <mingdao> Bashing-om: me Skylake
[03:28] <mingdao> yes, I've had this one since March 2014
[03:28] <mingdao> not affected
[03:28] <mingdao> my Thinkpad P50, I'm not sure about
[03:28] <mingdao> but thanks
[03:28] <mingdao> I'll read the report you posted; might be different than the one from Debian I previously read
[03:29] <mingdao> nouveau is working okay
[03:29] <mingdao> if nouveau/intel are fine for 2 external screens, I'm good
[03:33] <mingdao> wondering why e1000e didn't load
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-needs-your-help-to-finalize-the-unity-to-gnome-shell-transition-517331.shtml
[08:55] <sary> reporting bugs in 17.10 concerns #ubuntu+1 , -devel , or both!
[08:58] <sary> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/system-config-printer/+bug/1709572
[08:58] <sary> this just happened.
[11:23] <flocculant> sary: confirmed that bug
[11:32] <sary> flocculant: Okay! 
[11:32] <sary> Yep, just received and e-mail confomation. Thanks!
[11:33] <flocculant> downgrading to previous version and it works
[11:39] <sary> flocculant: feel free to add that as a comment to the bug.
[11:39] <flocculant> sary: missing gir1.2-secret-1 - person who deals with that package will be aware when online
[11:40] <sary> So they wrill be notifed to the bug..
[11:41] <flocculant> that and I pinged them elsewhere
[11:42] <sary> Nice!
[12:02] <mingdao> since I'm new to ubuntu, is running "apt-get changelog system-config-printer" in a vt an easy way to learn when the pkg is updated?
[13:04] <tsimonq2> mingdao: I would suggest apt-listchanges
[13:05] <tsimonq2> mingdao: Whenever you run apt dist-upgrade or apt full-upgrade (they recommend you use apt, not apt-get) it will show you the changelogs
[13:05] <tsimonq2> mingdao: You just first have to configure it by running sudo dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges
[15:05] <mingdao> tsimonq2: thanks
[15:40] <flocculant> sary: and fixed
[16:02] <sary> flocculant: Yes, the bug  was fixed in the package system-config-printer -1.5.9+20170804-0ubuntu2 Fix Committed => Fix Released by Till Kamppeter .
[22:10] <Guest46914> libreoffice 5.4 has been in debian unstable for 12 days, and debian import freeze isn't until 2017-08-24, so will it be imported for 17.10?
[22:16] <nacc> Guest46914: libreoffice has a delta, so it needs to be merged by someon to update it.
[22:24] <Guest46914> nacc: any chance someone is on that?
[22:25] <nacc> Guest46914: not sure, you'd need to ask the desktop team
[22:26] <Guest46914> :/
[22:38] <valorie> Guest46914: best bet is to file a bug on launchpad noting the above
[22:38] <valorie> the desktop team is very stretched and that is the most efficient
[22:39] <Guest46914> they already responded.
[22:39] <valorie> excellent