[01:28] well, about to dive into the firewall on my htpc. wish me luck. [01:30] 16.04? [01:30] nicomachus: Tie a 2X4 with a long rope :) [01:30] good thinking. [01:33] i would do a mustang with hoodclips, firewall [01:34] well, I can't even reach the machine yet. I may have to actually do it from there... [01:35] but Paul would use a Charger :) [01:41] oh right [01:44] nicomachus: When it is stuck you want that 4:11 traction from the Charger to PULL . [01:45] I'm confused. [01:48] nicomachus: No wonder " dive into the firewall on my htpc " . We help pull you out :) [01:52] well idk what I did to it. I tried using a script to set up a killswitch if a VPN was disconnected and idk if it just trashed all my iptables rules or what. I can't SSH into it, even from local network. [01:56] Code Blue and attempt to resuscitate ? [01:58] nuke and pave [01:58] ? [02:00] Nnooo .. Let's not consider a ressurection - just yet . Fibulation or organ transplants ? [02:01] i'm in over my head 99% of the time when it comes to networking issues. Almost seems easier to backup and reinstall at this point. [02:03] Well, yeah . sometimes that is the fastest . Sometimes not the solution . I recall one time 3 days solid effort to find a bent pin on the NIC . [02:07] I can't even *ping* this machine. [02:08] which means icmp got disallowed somehow too. [02:16] oh boy [02:16] ohhhhh wow. [02:17] my dhcp settings got flushed... the internal IP changed. fml. [03:43] good morning to all [03:46] o/ lotuspsychje [03:46] hey there Bashing-om [03:47] all ok there? [03:47] Too slow . Ya need to "wake em up " :P [03:48] lol [03:52] first a big coffee [03:54] Lubricate the synapts. Will go much better :) [03:55] (also known as motivational fluid ) [03:56] http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-needs-your-help-to-finalize-the-unity-to-gnome-shell-transition-517331.shtml [03:57] free pizza! [04:02] No pizza for me ; As I think I fall short " experienced GNOME Shell and GTK themers, CSS experts, as well as people who are very good at identifying issues " . Think that might be a short list ? [04:03] yeah [04:56] morning guys [04:56] hey EriC^^ [05:01] EriC^^: WB ;) [05:05] what you guys up to [05:05] pizza and stuff [05:05] yum [05:05] gotta go work soon :p [05:07] :D [05:08] lotuspsychje: yesterday i found some kind of heaven [05:09] it turns out, google isn't putting all the search results back when i search, i tried duckduckgo.com and *BAM* [05:09] torrent heaven [05:09] i found a site zooqle.com it has a lot of movies and other stuff [05:10] cool [05:10] it's crazy man, all this time i've been putting stuff and inurl:pdf for instance etc and i get nothing back [05:11] i thought the warez world had gotten shit, it's google! [05:11] there's war for the planet of apes there, going to d/l today [05:12] cool, lemme know if its good [05:14] nice [05:14] any secret recipes you've learned where you work? [05:15] i bake stuff sometimes, recently discovered eclaires, pastry cream and tarts, easy and good [05:16] EriC^^: no everything is from their ideas [05:17] does your gf like baking? [05:18] sometimes yes [05:18] nice [05:19] been making sluchies like crazy lately [05:19] cool [05:19] i love cream filled deserts :p [05:20] oh yeah :D [05:20] it hits the spot :D [05:20] i think i ate like 12 eclaires last time and later at night i was thinking damn these eclaires arent good they hurt the stomach [05:20] haha i just put 1+1 together, i ate like 24 or something [05:21] lolll [05:21] i made a batch, had pastry cream left over them made another later in the afternoon [05:21] they're very easy to make and they turn out just like the ones you buy [05:22] the only shitty part is you have to make pastry cream, and also eclaires, so 2 separate stuff [05:23] yeah [05:24] the sluchies are nice and easy [05:24] just need a mixer that can crush ice [05:25] blueberry juice with it is pretty awesome, there's also red watermelon plus lemon's juice [05:27] mmmm [05:27] we have a lotta cakes at work [05:28] cool [05:29] EriC^^: they all baked at a big central baker industry [05:30] then distributed to all shops [05:32] ah i see [05:32] EriC^^: cakes are motsly biologic, but heavy for eating [05:32] dark heavy chocolat etc [05:41] yeah that's true [05:44] how's the shop going? [05:45] EriC^^: im at 10 invoices atm [05:45] great! [05:45] EriC^^: slowly growing stable :p [05:45] cool [05:46] EriC^^: i hope to merge with 18.04 gnome [05:46] EriC^^: new orders with newly ubuntu [05:48] yup gotta keep it fresh [05:50] EriC^^: i think final 17.10 might look like unity afterall [05:50] as they working at a sort of dock [05:51] nice === JanC_ is now known as JanC [09:57] Hey folks [11:53] hey BluesKaj [11:55] Hi EriC^^ [14:10] TJ-! [14:10] hi! [14:12] Hey! long time no be here :D I had forgotten the name of the program I used for IRC, and only muscle memory is allowing me to remember the key sequences to press [14:12] wb TJ- [14:13] only dropped in to try to get some help with lineageos [14:14] How is everyone getting on? [14:15] holliday time, easy peasy [14:19] I'm fighting high winds and far too much rain whilst trying to install a new roof! [14:19] Oh, and trying to get a 15km wifi link up to bring a VDSL connection in [14:33] well, that's just about the last 2 things you want when installing a roof. [14:34] Literally got the roof tied down with rope right now, parts already blew off once today [18:19] hmmmm jdk 9 is out http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/jdk9-dev/2017-August/005940.html === kostkon_ is now known as kostkon [20:18] oerheks: I'm confused. oracle-java9-installer has been available from the webupd8team/java/ubuntu ppa for a long time now [20:19] That's the Oracle one though, isn't it, not the OpenJDK one? [20:20] oh, right [20:20] Oracle's contains proprietary code [20:20] how is openjdk compared to oracle these days? Has it surpassed oracle? [20:21] my understanding is that most of the original Sun projects have been left pretty stagnant === nacc_ is now known as nacc [20:45] i see no readon to use oracle blobs, but some say it makes a little difference [20:45] c/reason [23:04] lol [23:05] what a waste of time! :/ [23:06] nacc: and Casteil wonders why his systen is broke "meh, I don't have time for this' :( [23:06] yeah [23:06] although if it's just a headless irc bouncer, just reimage it [23:07] nacc: Ya got a bit of time for explanation IRT git install method ? [23:08] Bashing-om: sure [23:10] Not knowing nada of snap . what is the advantage of installing git " sudo snap install --classic git-ubuntu " ? [23:11] leaving aside classic for a moment [23:11] as the owner of the application in question [23:11] I can specify exactly what version of every dependency should be used by my snap [23:11] because all of my dependencies ship in the snap [23:11] (a snap is a squashfs image) [23:12] so as long as my PATH and PYTHONPATH, etc. are set correctly (to refer to paths in my snap, which are well-defined by snapd), then I control *exactly* how my snap runs [23:12] on every system it is running on [23:12] and it no longer matters what version of, e.g., git, Ubuntu ships with [23:12] I have my own [23:12] and also means you don't need to install git on your system, the snap has its own [23:13] In confined snaps that's a hard requirement (they can't actually see the system filesystem) [23:13] In a classic snap, they are more like regular debs and they can use system-installed stuff. I'm trying to avoid that, just for my own sanity (it means my test matrix is exactly what I build on, and nothign else) [23:15] gawd, how useless would ssh be if you could only ssh once per-user, per-host?? [23:20] nacc: Great I be convinced of snap . Time to get my feet wet with snap packaging as that is going to be the future . [23:21] Bashing-om: it makes a *ton* of sense (i think the problem they are trying to solve is the same as flatpak) for upstream projects [23:21] Bashing-om: for end-user applications [23:23] nacc: I will see what I can learn . See what the water feels like 1st . git is a great way to start . [23:24] Bashing-om: and tbh, i'm not using snap optimally -- because i'm still a relative noob python developer, so we're not yet structure in a way that can use the python plugin to just "build" our snap [23:24] Bashing-om: so instead, we copy it in and I have my own wrapper scripts [23:25] Bashing-om: what's really interesting is even though my snap contains `git`, youc an't call it directly [23:25] you can only call git-ubuntu, because that's the only app I've defined [23:31] nacc: ^ so I have read . daunting how much I have to learn and I still have so much to learn about apt :)