[01:28] <nicomachus> well, about to dive into the firewall on my htpc. wish me luck.
[01:30] <oerheks> 16.04?
[01:30] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Tie a 2X4 with a long rope :)
[01:30] <nicomachus> good thinking.
[01:33] <oerheks> i would do a mustang with hoodclips, firewall
[01:34] <nicomachus> well, I can't even reach the machine yet. I may have to actually do it from there...
[01:35] <Bashing-om> but Paul would use a Charger :)
[01:41] <oerheks> oh right
[01:44] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: When it is stuck you want that 4:11 traction from the Charger to PULL .
[01:45] <nicomachus> I'm confused.
[01:48] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: No wonder " dive into the firewall on my htpc " . We help pull you out :)
[01:52] <nicomachus> well idk what I did to it. I tried using a script to set up a killswitch if a VPN was disconnected and idk if it just trashed all my iptables rules or what. I can't SSH into it, even from local network.
[01:56] <Bashing-om> Code Blue and attempt to resuscitate ?
[01:58] <nicomachus> nuke and pave
[01:58] <nicomachus> ?
[02:00] <Bashing-om> Nnooo .. Let's not consider a ressurection - just yet . Fibulation or organ transplants ?
[02:01] <nicomachus> i'm in over my head 99% of the time when it comes to networking issues. Almost seems easier to backup and reinstall at this point.
[02:03] <Bashing-om> Well, yeah . sometimes that is the fastest . Sometimes not the solution . I recall one time 3 days solid effort to find a bent pin on the NIC .
[02:07] <nicomachus> I can't even *ping* this machine.
[02:08] <nicomachus> which means icmp got disallowed somehow too.
[02:16] <nicomachus> oh boy
[02:16] <nicomachus> ohhhhh wow.
[02:17] <nicomachus> my dhcp settings got flushed... the internal IP changed. fml.
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:46] <Bashing-om> o/ lotuspsychje
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> hey there Bashing-om
[03:47] <lotuspsychje> all ok there?
[03:47] <Bashing-om> Too slow . Ya need to "wake em up " :P
[03:48] <lotuspsychje> lol
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> first a big coffee
[03:54] <Bashing-om> Lubricate the synapts. Will go much better :)
[03:55] <Bashing-om> (also known as motivational fluid )
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-needs-your-help-to-finalize-the-unity-to-gnome-shell-transition-517331.shtml
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> free pizza!
[04:02] <Bashing-om> No pizza for me ; As I think I fall short " experienced GNOME Shell and GTK themers, CSS experts, as well as people who are very good at identifying issues " . Think that might be a short list ?
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[04:56] <EriC^^> morning guys
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[05:01] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: WB ;)
[05:05] <EriC^^> what you guys up to
[05:05] <EriC^^> pizza and stuff
[05:05] <EriC^^> yum
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> gotta go work soon :p
[05:07] <EriC^^> :D
[05:08] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: yesterday i found some kind of heaven
[05:09] <EriC^^> it turns out, google isn't putting all the search results back when i search, i tried duckduckgo.com and *BAM*
[05:09] <EriC^^> torrent heaven
[05:09] <EriC^^> i found a site zooqle.com it has a lot of movies and other stuff
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> cool
[05:10] <EriC^^> it's crazy man, all this time i've been putting stuff and inurl:pdf for instance etc and i get nothing back
[05:11] <EriC^^> i thought the warez world had gotten shit, it's google!
[05:11] <EriC^^> there's war for the planet of apes there, going to d/l today
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> cool, lemme know if its good
[05:14] <EriC^^> nice
[05:14] <EriC^^> any secret recipes you've learned where you work?
[05:15] <EriC^^> i bake stuff sometimes, recently discovered eclaires, pastry cream and tarts, easy and good
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: no everything is from their ideas
[05:17] <EriC^^> does your gf like baking?
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> sometimes yes
[05:18] <EriC^^> nice
[05:19] <EriC^^> been making sluchies like crazy lately
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> cool
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> i love cream filled deserts :p
[05:20] <EriC^^> oh yeah :D
[05:20] <EriC^^> it hits the spot :D
[05:20] <EriC^^> i think i ate like 12 eclaires last time and later at night i was thinking damn these eclaires arent good they hurt the stomach
[05:20] <EriC^^> haha i just put 1+1 together, i ate like 24 or something
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> lolll
[05:21] <EriC^^> i made a batch, had pastry cream left over them made another later in the afternoon
[05:21] <EriC^^> they're very easy to make and they turn out just like the ones you buy
[05:22] <EriC^^> the only shitty part is you have to make pastry cream, and also eclaires, so 2 separate stuff
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[05:24] <EriC^^> the sluchies are nice and easy
[05:24] <EriC^^> just need a mixer that can crush ice
[05:25] <EriC^^> blueberry juice with it is pretty awesome, there's also red watermelon plus lemon's juice
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> mmmm
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> we have a lotta cakes at work
[05:28] <EriC^^> cool
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: they all baked at a big central baker industry
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> then distributed to all shops
[05:32] <EriC^^> ah i see
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: cakes are motsly biologic, but heavy for eating
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> dark heavy chocolat etc
[05:41] <EriC^^> yeah that's true
[05:44] <EriC^^> how's the shop going?
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: im at 10 invoices atm
[05:45] <EriC^^> great!
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: slowly growing stable :p
[05:45] <EriC^^> cool
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: i hope to merge with 18.04 gnome
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: new orders with newly ubuntu
[05:48] <EriC^^> yup gotta keep it fresh
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: i think final 17.10 might look like unity afterall
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> as they working at a sort of dock
[05:51] <EriC^^> nice
[09:57] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:53] <EriC^^> hey BluesKaj
[11:55] <BluesKaj> Hi EriC^^
[14:10] <nicomachus> TJ-!
[14:10] <nicomachus> hi!
[14:12] <TJ-> Hey! long time no be here :D I had forgotten the name of the program I used for IRC, and only muscle memory is allowing me to remember the key sequences to press
[14:12] <oerheks> wb TJ-
[14:13] <TJ-> only dropped in to try to get some help with lineageos
[14:14] <TJ-> How is everyone getting on?
[14:15] <oerheks> holliday time, easy peasy
[14:19] <TJ-> I'm fighting high winds and far too much rain whilst trying to install a new roof!
[14:19] <TJ-> Oh, and trying to get a 15km wifi link up to bring a VDSL connection in
[14:33] <nicomachus> well, that's just about the last 2 things you want when installing a roof.
[14:34] <TJ-> Literally got the roof tied down with rope right now, parts already blew off once today
[18:19] <oerheks> hmmmm jdk 9 is out http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/jdk9-dev/2017-August/005940.html
[20:18] <leftyfb> oerheks: I'm confused. oracle-java9-installer has been available from the webupd8team/java/ubuntu ppa for a long time now
[20:19] <TJ-> That's the Oracle one though, isn't it, not the OpenJDK one?
[20:20] <leftyfb> oh, right
[20:20] <TJ-> Oracle's contains proprietary code
[20:20] <leftyfb> how is openjdk compared to oracle these days? Has it surpassed oracle?
[20:21] <leftyfb> my understanding is that most of the original Sun projects have been left pretty stagnant
[20:45] <oerheks> i see no readon to use oracle blobs, but some say it makes a little difference
[20:45] <oerheks> c/reason
[23:04] <nacc> lol
[23:05] <nacc> what a waste of time! :/
[23:06] <Bashing-om> nacc: and Casteil wonders why his systen is broke "meh, I don't have time for this' :(
[23:06] <nacc> yeah
[23:06] <nacc> although if it's just a headless irc bouncer, just reimage it
[23:07] <Bashing-om> nacc: Ya got a bit of time for explanation IRT git install method ?
[23:08] <nacc> Bashing-om: sure
[23:10] <Bashing-om> Not knowing nada of snap . what is the advantage of installing git " sudo snap install --classic git-ubuntu " ?
[23:11] <nacc> leaving aside classic for a moment
[23:11] <nacc> as the owner of the application in question
[23:11] <nacc> I can specify exactly what version of every dependency should be used by my snap
[23:11] <nacc> because all of my dependencies ship in the snap
[23:11] <nacc> (a snap is a squashfs image)
[23:12] <nacc> so as long as my PATH and PYTHONPATH, etc. are set correctly (to refer to paths in my snap, which are well-defined by snapd), then I control *exactly* how my snap runs
[23:12] <nacc> on every system it is running on
[23:12] <nacc> and it no longer matters what version of, e.g., git, Ubuntu ships with
[23:12] <nacc> I have my own
[23:12] <nacc> and also means you don't need to install git on your system, the snap has its own
[23:13] <nacc> In confined snaps that's a hard requirement (they can't actually see the system filesystem)
[23:13] <nacc> In a classic snap, they are more like regular debs and they can use system-installed stuff. I'm trying to avoid that, just for my own sanity (it means my test matrix is exactly what I build on, and nothign else)
[23:15] <nacc> gawd, how useless would ssh be if you could only ssh once per-user, per-host??
[23:20] <Bashing-om> nacc: Great I be convinced of snap . Time to get my feet wet with snap packaging as that is going to be the future .
[23:21] <nacc> Bashing-om: it makes a *ton* of sense (i think the problem they are trying to solve is the same as flatpak) for upstream projects
[23:21] <nacc> Bashing-om: for end-user applications
[23:23] <Bashing-om> nacc: I will see what I can learn . See what the water feels like 1st . git is a great way to start .
[23:24] <nacc> Bashing-om: and tbh, i'm not using snap optimally -- because i'm still a relative noob python developer, so we're not yet structure in a way that can use the python plugin to just "build" our snap
[23:24] <nacc> Bashing-om: so instead, we copy it in and I have my own wrapper scripts
[23:25] <nacc> Bashing-om: what's really interesting is even though my snap contains `git`, youc an't call it directly
[23:25] <nacc> you can only call git-ubuntu, because that's the only app I've defined
[23:31] <Bashing-om> nacc: ^ so I have read . daunting how much I have to learn and I still have so much to learn about apt :)