[00:12] <psychoticwarrior> whats up ppl
[00:15] <hfp> Hi, when I change nfs-mountd's port via its config file (/etc/default/nfs-kernel-server on ubuntu), is there a way to restart mountd and have it use the new port without restarting the host? I tried to restart the nfs-kernel-server and nfs-mountd services but it doesn't seem to change the port; the only way is a reboot (which is a pain to handle in an ansible playbook)
[00:19] <oerheks> sudo service portmap restart # and then # sudo service nfs-kernel-server restart >> same as you do after export, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo#Install_NFS_Server
[00:23] <oerheks> the guide does not say anything about portmap.service.. https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/network-file-system.html#nfs-configuration
[00:23] <oerheks> * for systemD that is
[00:31] <hfp> oerheks: No, it doesn't change the port it's running on (I'm checking with `rpcinfo -p`)
[00:33] <oerheks> hfp, then i have no clue there :-(
[00:41] <heywood> running 16.04.3 LTS, trying to configure modeline(s) in xorg.conf — but can't find that file. anyone know where it went (or what it got replaced with)?
[00:42] <oerheks> heywood, standard there is none, you should create it yourself.
[00:44] <oerheks> see this guide, place it in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ >  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config
[00:46] <Jordan_U> heywood: First, why are you trying to configure mode lines? Chances are you're following a very old an no longer relevant guide.
[00:53] <heywood> Jordan_U: the machine in question is "headless," and i'm connecting to its nomachine (NX) server from another machine. i'd like the server to match the resolution of the display on the latter machine. i've managed to do this in the past via xorg.conf, but now i can't find my notes nor where to put the modeline info for the latter's display.
[00:54] <compdoc> I do that with x2go, and dont have to mess with conf files
[00:55] <oerheks> virtualframebuffer ?
[00:55] <oerheks> !info xvfb
[00:59] <heywood> compdoc: where would i find x2go? i don't have it installed, and it doesn't show up in any of the apt repos i have configured
[01:00] <oerheks> download it from their website, heywood
[01:01] <oerheks> or use the ppa https://launchpad.net/~x2go/+archive/ubuntu/stable
[01:01] <heywood> never mind. reading x2go.org now. not obvious why i'd want that rather than stock nomachine, though, since it looks like x2go uses the NX protocol under the hood...
[01:02] <oerheks> hmmm ppa seems outdated
[01:12] <parsnip> am i more likely to figure out how to make a ppa sooner, or ask ubuntu folks to update hledger-web to a newer version on 16.04?
[01:12] <parsnip> hmm, or maybe i can find the source for the build and use that to help me?
[01:13] <parsnip> er, source for the ubuntu build
[01:13] <parsnip> hledger-web takes like 8 hours to build on my tiny machine
[01:16] <oerheks> zesty 17.04 got 1.0.1-1 https://packages.ubuntu.com/zesty/hledger-web
[01:16] <mingdao> I just installed Ubuntu MATE on a laptop
[01:16] <mingdao> was gone when it finished, but when I hit Restart Now it didn't give the graphic telling me to remove the LiveUSB and press Enter
[01:17] <mingdao> it hung on some nouveau line
[01:17] <mingdao> hard to read text on 3200x1800 screen
[01:18] <mingdao> looks like 2 lines of nouvean fault from dmesg, one at 6.something seconds, the other at 14.something seconds and both lines have [IBUS] at the end
[01:19] <mingdao> is this a known issue with the LiveUSB from artful-desktop-amd64.iso ?
[01:20] <mingdao> just gave it a SIGINT and rebooted
[01:20] <oerheks> mingdao, maybe it is a known issue with your laptop, which one is it? and artfull 17.10 is in Beta
[01:21] <oerheks> it is good to help testing but, you need to adress #ubuntu+1
[01:21] <oerheks> artful
[01:21] <oerheks> !artful
[01:23] <mingdao> oerheks: what are you trying to say?
[01:24] <bazhang> #ubuntu+1 for artful support mingdao
[01:24] <oerheks> maybe there is something written about your system
[01:24] <oerheks> and ardful is still in beta - development
[01:25] <oerheks> ( so to keep those issues central, there is a dedicated channel )
[01:25] <mingdao> gotcha
[01:25] <oerheks> yw
[01:25] <mingdao> been running Linux since 2003, but this is the first rodeo with Ubuntu
[01:25] <mingdao> suppose it's okay to run the developer edition?
[01:25] <mingdao> think I read this is called that
[01:26] <oerheks> not many of us encounter 4k display issues .. pretty new
[01:26] <mingdao> well, I got a busybox shell :(
[01:26] <mingdao> no display issue
[01:26] <mingdao> initramfs one maybe ;)
[01:26] <mingdao> I'm too old a fart to read that small
[01:26] <nicomachus> mingdao: what version?
[01:26] <mingdao> of what?
[01:27] <oerheks> 1st what machine?
[01:27] <nicomachus> Ubuntu.
[01:27] <nicomachus> You said "suppose it's okay to run the developer edition". What's the release number?
[01:27] <mingdao> Dell XPS 15 9530
[01:27] <mingdao> nicomachus: idk
[01:27] <nicomachus> ooooooooook.
[01:27] <mingdao> is this a known issue with the LiveUSB from artful-desktop-amd64.iso ?
[01:27] <mingdao> from ubuntu channel
[01:28] <mingdao> how to tell in a busybox shell nicomachus ?
[01:28] <bazhang> mingdao, please dont ask for that support here
[01:28] <nicomachus> isn't artful like 17.10 or something?
[01:28] <mingdao> with 3200x1800 res in console ;)
[01:28] <mingdao> bazhang: what suppport?
[01:28] <bazhang> mingdao, #ubuntu+1
[01:28] <nicomachus> !17.10 | mingdao
[01:28] <mingdao> oh, sorry,
[01:28] <mingdao> nicomachus: I guess you missed the other guy doing that <5m ago ;)
[01:28] <mingdao> bot abuse :D
[01:29] <nicomachus> k bye.
[01:33] <ReddyTeddy> Howdy folks. I'm on Ubuntu 16.04, just upgraded ... and I am having one problem --- whenever my screen goes to power saving mode, no keystrokes, mouse clicks (although mouse stays on), or anything else turns it back on. Only option is hard reset with power button
[01:43] <dw1> i upgraded to 17.04 and am getting a cups-pki-expired error when trying to print. how can i refresh the cert?
[01:47] <Ericthegreat> hello
[01:47] <Ericthegreat> hey guys i got the weirdest issue with my persistant irc
[01:47] <Ericthegreat> err
[01:47] <Ericthegreat> persistant usb
[01:47] <Ericthegreat> i can install the broadcom drivers for wifi
[01:48] <Ericthegreat> they work fine till i restart
[01:48] <Ericthegreat> then nothing i do will fix it
[01:51] <Ericthegreat> am i in the right channel ive never really used this terminal client
[01:51] <nicomachus> you are
[01:51] <Ericthegreat> ok
[02:14] <treeturnfire> i had a
[02:14] <treeturnfire> boyfriend named "ubuntu"
[02:14] <treeturnfire> once
[02:14] <treeturnfire> he would "play the bongos" on my ass
[02:14] <treeturnfire> :)
[02:20] <cmanns> Anything I should do to ubuntu for performance on a top end machine?
[02:21] <cmanns> Like to speed up my R9 270X gpu, HDD (1TB SATA 2), 8GB ram so caching is fine normally 3.5-4gb ram used and getting my i7-5920k throttling up fully?
[02:21] <nicomachus> cmanns: are you noticing anything that makes you think it isn't at peak performance?
[02:22] <cmanns> Not really just was curious if anything else I should do.
[02:22] <Bashing-om> cmanns: Top end machine should exhibit no slow downs . I run an old dual core and it does 'adaquate' .
[02:22] <nicomachus> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[02:23] <cmanns> ubuntu does def feel as snappy as Win 10 N LTSB and MacOS (hackint0sh), the drivers for AMD seem to be great
[02:24] <Bashing-om> cmanns: Now if you have no real problem, and you want to increase the performance . SSD time ! The hard drive is a bottleneck .
[02:24] <nicomachus> +1
[02:24] <nicomachus> on that setup, it's the only thing holding you back
[02:25] <cmanns> Yeah, sadly no funds for SSD
[02:26] <Bashing-om> cmanns: Heavy desk top ? See what xubuntu feels like :)
[02:33] <psychoticwarrior> messing with gparted
[02:36] <madLyfe> any of you guys able to get this site to work(the download part?) trying to download the latest iso. https://instant.io/#145b85116626651912298f9400805254fb1192ae
[02:36] <madLyfe> http://i.imgur.com/3OrelbN.png
[02:45] <kk4ewt> madLyfe, http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ubuntu-16.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[02:46] <madLyfe> ?
[02:47] <danguafer> Is it possible to install Ubuntu in a desktop and then move the HDD to another desktop? I am aware that Windows has some issues on hardware compatibility.
[02:50] <adlaistevenson> danguafer: When I tried this back in 2005, it worked.
[02:50] <kk4ewt> danguafer,  its linux it should work
[02:51] <adlaistevenson> Interesting way to work around not being able to boot the machine from the install media.
[02:51] <Bashing-om> danguafer: ^ No proprietary software installed, however .
[02:57] <danguafer> Bashing-om: you mean proprietary driver, right?
[02:58] <liamliamliam> hello all
[03:01] <cmanns> Bashing-om,  it doesnt feel heavy
[03:01] <cmanns> 4.6ghz 6 core i7
[03:08] <Bashing-om> cmosguy: I would expect anything you throw on it to perform :)
[03:15] <auctus> i cant make 17.04 share my internet connection out over ethernet cable, hmm
[03:19] <Keldoclock> Hello, if my wifi connection drops immediately after connecting, and i see all networks as out of range in wireless network settings, but then i leave settings and come back and i see all wifi networks correctly and i can connect and even use the internet for 5 seconds before being booted again, what's wrong?
[03:20] <Keldoclock> I fixed this somehow and it worked for like, 8 hours and then i restarted network manager and it all went straight back to hell
[03:26] <eelstrebor> looks like they fixed the amdgpu problem - got 16.04 back on the hp pavilion and it's working great
[03:26] <psychoticwarrior> sweet eelstrebor
[03:27] <eelstrebor> now, i need to remove the kazillion screws so that i can upgrade the wifi card to a dual band AC card
[03:27] <psychoticwarrior> nice
[03:27] <psychoticwarrior> sounds like a a pain in the ***
[03:27] <eelstrebor> i hope the new card works since the hp bios uses a whitelist for wifi cards
[03:28] <eelstrebor> yeah, i'd rather work inside a desktop than a laptop
[03:28] <psychoticwarrior> yea same
[03:29] <psychoticwarrior> i hate messing with laptops
[03:29] <Keldoclock> Please save me from this wireless networking nightmare
[03:29] <psychoticwarrior> desktop is the way to go
[03:29] <Keldoclock> RealTek AE 8821
[03:29] <psychoticwarrior> ya thats what i have
[03:29] <Keldoclock> Do you also have the thing where it turns itself on and off constantly
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:44] <psychoticwarrior> whats up mang
[03:48]  * mingdao is mang?
[03:57] <mingdao> !info firefox
[03:58] <mingdao> just got 50.1.0+build2-0ubuntu1 ; must need to edit some sources.list or some such
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> mingdao: wich ubuntu version are you on?
[04:02] <mingdao> Ubuntu Artful Aardvark (development branch)
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> mingdao: #ubuntu+1 for 17.10 issues
[04:03] <mingdao> lotuspsychje: was told that earlier
[04:04] <mingdao> but I didn't ask a question, just made a statement
[04:04]  * mingdao has a search engine ;)
[04:04] <mingdao> shame about your announcement in +1
[04:05] <mingdao> I just finalized gnome-3.24 w/elogind on another distro
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> mingdao: there's no need for statements here in #ubuntu, only support here please
[04:06] <mingdao> geez
[04:57] <davido_> I'm getting all sorts of "System program problem detected" messages over the past couple days. Not sure where to start on sorting out the root cause.
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> davido_: what does the system report say exactly?
[05:00] <davido_> System program problem detected. Do you want to report the problem now?
[05:00] <davido_> So /var/crash is full of reports.
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> davido_: and the details of the crash says what?
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> davido_: you can extract the details, and see whats it about
[05:03] <davido_> is there a tool more effective than 'less' for reviewing the crash reports?
[05:07] <davido_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25274808/
[05:09] <davido_> Or this...
[05:09] <davido_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25274817/
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> davido_: what does your report mention its about?
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> davido_: you have GUI?
[05:13] <davido_> Yes, I have GUI. What would you like me to do to answer your previous question?
[05:16] <davido_> sorry, back.
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> davido_: the GUI crash report, you can expand, and see what made the crash exactly
[05:18] <davido_> I cannot. The gui has become too unstable. I am able to use the terminal with a reasonable degree of stability.
[05:18] <davido_> well, reasonable is relative. ;)
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> davido_: wich ubuntu version do you have, and what did you do to make this unstable?
[05:22] <davido_> I have Ubuntu 17.04. As for what I did to make it this unstable, I'd be glad to know the answer to that myself. I haven't installed anything new on it in the past few weeks, just typical apt update && apt full-upgrade every so often.
[05:24] <davido_> But at this point even something so simple as 'sudo apt update' produces "Invalid problem report. This problem report is damaged and cannot be processed. Error('Incorrect padding',)
[05:25] <davido_> along with a segfault.
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> davido_: doesnt sound healthy
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> davido_: can you hastebin output of sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade ?
[05:27] <davido_> https://pastebin.com/iykLme0L
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> davido_: you added external ppa's to your system
[05:29] <EriC^^> davido_: can you do "strace -o /tmp/bla sudo apt upgrade; cat /tmp/bla | nc termbin.com 9999" ?
[05:30] <EriC^^> hmm sudo doesn't like that
[05:31] <EriC^^> davido_: can you do "sudo strace -o /tmp/bla apt upgrade; cat /tmp/bla | nc termbin.com 9999" ?
[05:32] <davido_> http://termbin.com/kaam
[05:35] <davido_> The degredation is so abrupt from where things were , say, three days ago, I wonder if I've got a failing memory module.
[05:36] <EriC^^> davido_: could be, try a memtest
[05:37] <davido_> have a favorite?
[05:37] <EriC^^> not really
[05:37] <davido_> preferably something that I would already have installed,  given apt isn't going to cooperate. ;)
[05:37] <davido_> perhaps stress?
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> davido_: i would suggest to purge all those external ppa's
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | davido_
[05:38] <EriC^^> never tried it, i thought it was just for stressing the cpu?
[05:38] <melissa_> Hello. Can anyone tell me since when Canonical owns Freenode? This is totally new to me.
[05:39] <davido_> its -m option bounces on malloc/free calls.
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> melissa_: freenose is the irc network
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> melissa_: canonical, the company behind ubuntu
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> !freenode | melissa_
[05:42] <melissa_> Oh ok. Another question: I have problems with bluetooth, it doesn't work consistently. It gets disconnected now and then during use, and often when I boot or resume from suspend. Does anyone know how to troubleshoot?
[05:42] <melissa_> I'm using Kubuntu. Also of note is the fact that I have both the KDE default BT app and Blueman enabled
[05:43] <EriC^^> melissa_: check "dmesg" after it happens
[05:43] <melissa_> alongside each other. I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it
[05:43] <davido_> going to reboot. bbiab.
[05:53] <davido_> The situation seems to have improved. It appears possible that Atlassian sucks even more than I already imagined. ;)  (the ppa that contains hipchat)
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> davido_: always keep your ubuntu clean with packages from official repos
[05:54] <davido_> Great advice if you can live with it.
[05:55] <HowardwLo> my /tmp directory is mounted on a tiny root disk. I have a bigger disk mounted on /data0, can i just do a sudo mount -B /tmp /data0/tmp ?
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> !mount | HowardwLo
[05:55] <davido_> If you haven't ever had some product you'd rather not install forced upon you by your employer you're living a charmed life. ;)
[05:57] <sary> melissa_: Canonical doesn't own freenode, Canonical owns the domain irc.ubuntu.com only which is a cname to chat.freenode.net.
[05:57] <sary> melissa_: what does frkill list , and dmesg | grep Blue .. says!
[05:57] <HowardwLo> lotuspsychje: so mount only makes the directory accessible ? it doens’t actually move to another drive?
[05:58] <davido_> Anyway, thanks, have a good evening (localtime)
[06:00] <EriC^^> HowardwLo: that would simply mount bind it at /data0/tmp making the files that are in /tmp temporarily accessible in /data0/tmp
[06:01] <EriC^^> after you unmount, they'll be gone
[06:01] <HowardwLo> EriC^^: it’ll also be limited by the disk space in /tmp right?
[06:01] <HowardwLo> to clarify, my issue is /tmp is getting full too fast
[06:02] <Jordan_U> HowardwLo: 1: You have your bind mount arguments reversed, the mountpoinjt is the second argument not the first. 2: It would be more clear if you simply made /tmp/ a symlink to /data0/tmp.
[06:02] <HowardwLo> Jordan_U: would symlink solve my diskspace issue?
[06:03] <Jordan_U> HowardwLo: Yes.
[06:03] <HowardwLo> !symlink
[06:03] <HowardwLo> shiz
[06:04] <HowardwLo> so ln -s /tmp /data0/tmp ?
[06:05] <HowardwLo> anything i add into /tmp will actually be on the /data0 drive?
[06:05] <Jordan_U> HowardwLo: Note also though that /tmp/ is generally expected to have smaller files that need to be accessed quickly, which is why many people use tmpfs (backed by virtual memory rather than a disk) for /tmp/. Using a large *slow* drive for /tmp/ could make many things slower.
[06:05] <EriC^^> HowardwLo: why dont you edit fstab and set the new tmp properly?
[06:06] <geirha> HowardwLo: other way around. /data0/tmp will be the symlink pointing to /tmp
[06:06] <HowardwLo> devops is on vacation and i’m sweatin bullets.
[06:06] <HowardwLo> Jordan_U: ah….hmm….. that would be bad
[06:06] <EriC^^> i wonder what happens when he rebooted though
[06:07] <EriC^^> if tmp is a symlink to /data0/tmp, and whatever fs gets mounted wouldn't that mess his plan up
[06:08] <Jordan_U> EriC^^: Well you wouldn't make /tmp/ a symlink *and* a mountpoint for a tmpfs filesystem. You'd do one or the other.
[06:08] <EriC^^> yeah
[06:08] <EriC^^> ^ HowardwLo
[06:08] <Jordan_U> EriC^^: Is there a particular process that is filling up /tmp/?
[06:08] <EriC^^> fstab editing will occur :P
[06:52] <screamslash> I'm running ubuntu 16.04.2 lts 64bit on a hp laptop and my wifi wont switch on how do i fix this?
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> screamslash: wich chipset is that?
[06:54] <screamslash> 64bit
[06:54] <screamslash> intel
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> screamslash: i mean wifi chipset/name
[06:54] <screamslash> idk
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> screamslash: you can check with sudo lshw -C network
[06:55] <screamslash>   *-network DISABLED
[06:55] <screamslash>        description: Wireless interface
[06:55] <screamslash>        product: Wireless 3165
[06:55] <screamslash>        vendor: Intel Corporation
[06:56] <hateball> screamslash: also you should do a "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" to bring you to 16.04.03, make sure you are fully updated
[06:56] <screamslash> its a intel chip
[06:56] <screamslash> i was right
[06:56] <screamslash> now what?
[06:58] <hateball> screamslash: has it ever been working since you installed your machine?
[06:58] <hateball> screamslash: run "rfkill list" to see if is hard/soft blocked
[06:58] <hateball> and you should as I said update the system to make sure you're fully patched in case of kernel bugs
[06:59] <screamslash> it was working before i installed ubuntu
[06:59] <screamslash> i was using arch before this
[07:00] <screamslash> the output
[07:00] <screamslash> https://pastebin.com/1kGWueGt
[07:05] <screamslash> would you just look at my wifi menu here and tell me whats going on
[07:05] <screamslash> https://my.mixtape.moe/euvknv.png
[07:08] <Blessed> HI
[07:08] <Blessed> I have problem with packard bell BU45 laptop, when it goes in sleep mode and hibernation I can't wake it up. I just see black screen
[07:09] <Scourje> hello im looking for terry a davis
[07:13] <TomyWork> hi, i have a recurring problem with the gui font rendering in most apps: http://ctrlv.in/987240
[07:14] <TomyWork> this happens about half the time after resuming from standby or changing monitor setups
[07:15] <TomyWork> i cant even see the input line in xchat, but what i can see is fixed-width fonts like the chat log in xchat or the terminal
[07:15] <TomyWork> can anyone help me solve this issue? this is on kubuntu 14.04
[07:15] <Scourje> have u tried psilocybin
[07:16] <screamslash> my wifi issue is STILL unresolved
[07:16] <hateball> screamslash: the likely cause is that the intel firmware for that chipset hasnt loaded properly
[07:16] <screamslash> how do i fix it
[07:16] <hateball> screamslash: "cat /var/log/dmesg|grep -i firmware" does that list anything of interest?
[07:17] <screamslash> it doesnt show anything
[07:23] <hateball> screamslash: how about "cat /var/log/dmesg|grep -i ucode"
[07:25] <screamslash> nothing
[07:26] <sary> screamslash: sudo rfkill unblock all , or unblock 2 ..
[07:27] <dsc_> does someone know how to add firefox to the start menu in lxde
[07:27] <dsc_> when you install firefox from source, it doesnt add any icon
[07:28] <sary> dsc_: isn' there a startup config menu in lxde, if you're using lubuntu you may wish to ask in #lubuntu .
[07:31] <dsc_> sary: cool
[07:32] <sary> dsc_: am not sure why you've installed firfox from source.. what's wrong with the firfox version from the official repo!
[07:33] <dsc_> its outdated
[07:33] <dsc_> (im using debian btw, so its even more outdated :P)
[07:35] <sary> dsc_: there seems to be an Official PPA for Firefox Beta ,and daily builds.
[07:35] <dsc_> oh. cool
[07:35] <sary> well this is #ubuntu , not #debian .
[07:36] <dsc_> true
[07:37] <sary> so see if there is a firefox official repo for debian.
[07:37] <dsc_> nah, got this one to work - with icon
[07:38] <dsc_> why use verified packages for debian when you can manually build it yourself!
[07:38] <dsc_> thx!!
[07:39] <sary> build as you wish , but still there is https://mozilla.debian.net/
[07:41] <TomyWork> a stackoverflow post suggested setting font antialiasing to grayscale. any idea how to do that (or disable font antialiasing entirely) using a console command?
[07:43] <TomyWork> on kde, that is
[07:49] <sary> TomyWork: you might have a better chance on suggestions in #kubuntu .
[07:50] <TomyWork> ah, didnt know that existed on freenode yet
[07:50] <TomyWork> but for some reason, my font rendering is back now
[07:52] <TomyWork> possibly had something to do with me going through all the fonts in system settings -> system administration -> font management
[07:52] <TomyWork> could have been that just triggering a preview of all fonts flushed some kind of internal cache
[07:52] <TomyWork> or going to that panel in general
[07:55] <hethkar> How to fix failed to start session in 16.04 system doesnt start after that mesasage. If i enter recovery mode from grub i get the same message . I have a live media handy now
[08:01] <Blankspace> Hi can anyone help with creating dual booting
[08:01] <Blankspace> Ubuntu with windows
[08:01] <Scourje> boof
[08:02] <Scourje> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biznszWdVi0
[08:04] <Blankspace> What does unusable partition means
[08:04] <Scourje> probably dxm related
[08:56] <pumba> hi2u
[08:57] <pumba> ubuntu automatically runs syndaemon on my laptop but i cant find where the command is set... its run at startup but cant find which file.. anyone know?
[09:18] <techsynt> exit
[09:35] <autopsy> Hello
[09:45] <royal_screwup21> How do I close a window that isn't closing despite hitting 'x'?
[09:47] <_pronet_> task manager > Kill your file manager :Eg Thunar
[09:47] <_pronet_> :royal_screwup21
[09:52] <zendot> Since ubuntu is widely used for servers is it safe to assume that I can leave my laptop on indefinitely on without it slowing down or causing problems?
[09:54] <compdoc> I dont think laptops are made to run 24/7, but the OS is
[09:57] <zendot> compdoc can you please elaborate why the laptop is not made to run 24/7?
[09:57] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[09:58] <compdoc> they tend to have bios and os options to go to sleep when not touched, but I suppose it shouldnt harm it
[09:59] <zendot> i put it on sleep mode at night, just don't want to shut it down so that i don't have to reopen everything i need
[10:07] <EriC^^> zendot: you should be good
[10:08] <nine_pt> How I can activate the generation of core dum for my develop app? I already purged apport and it continues to don't generate. ulimit is unlimited
[10:13] <nine_pt> nine_pt: solved ...
[10:20] <Exterminador> hello guys.. i had to reinstall Xubuntu in my laptop. but analyzing dmesg output, im wondering about lines 883 to 888. http://paste.ubuntu.com/25276047/
[10:34] <sary> Exterminador: is everthing runnig as expected on Xubuntu! is there a BIOS upgrade for the mobo.. if not i would report this to the manufacture.
[10:37] <bytefire> hi, when
[10:37] <Exterminador> sary: yes all working as expected
[10:38] <bytefire> hi when i run chsh i get: you may not change shell for user '<username>'
[10:38] <bytefire> it's a new user i have created
[10:40] <EriC^^> bytefire: type sudo chsh -s /bin/bash <user>
[10:40] <EriC^^> or whatever shell you're trying to set it to
[10:44] <bytefire> EriC^^: thanks. but that doesn't actually change the shell for me
[10:45] <bytefire> EriC^^: sorry! that did it :)
[10:45] <bytefire> thanks
[10:45] <arun007> hi
[10:46] <littlekitty> hi i have a security concern about my vnc connection to an ubuntu server
[10:46] <littlekitty> how come I dont have to give any login credentials when I connect?
[10:48] <EriC^^> bytefire: no problem
[10:50] <bytefire> okay now i'll get to actual problem i want to investigate: uate>> cmd=0
[10:50] <bytefire> sorry.. being clumsy..
[10:50] <geirha> littlekitty: you should enable one or more such security feature when you enable desktop sharing
[10:51] <bytefire> i compile kernel v4.12.5 (stable) and ran ubuntu with that. gui comes up and when i try to log in i get: CRITICAL: We failed, but the fail whale is dead. Sorry...
[10:51] <sary> Exterminador: Did you install xubuntu within EFI, or legacy BIOS!
[10:51] <littlekitty> also why does x11vnc say it uses por 5901 though i can connect per 5900 ?
[10:52] <littlekitty> might there be a second vnc server running?
[10:52] <bytefire> why did i compile kernel v4.12.5? in an attempt to deal with another problem: system locks up when left running overnight
[10:53] <bytefire> this is ubuntu 16.04 lts
[10:53] <geirha> littlekitty: there's a vnc server ("Desktop Sharing") installed by default
[10:53] <geirha> littlekitty: sounds like you've installed and run a secondary vnc server
[10:53] <littlekitty> geirha: oh okay, what is it called?
[10:54] <geirha> Open the dash and search for Desktop Sharing
[10:54] <arun007> littlekitty: It is called remina
[10:54] <arun007> remmina
[10:55] <littlekitty> @arun007 must be different one 'The program 'remmina' is currently not installed. '
[10:55] <geirha> no, remmina is a vnc client. The vnc server is called vino, but named "Desktop Sharing"
[10:55] <littlekitty> i cant look it up in dash
[10:55] <littlekitty> only got a ssh connection
[10:56] <arun007> geirha: oops :)
[10:56] <littlekitty> the thing is i asked about the vnc tool yesterday
[10:56] <sary> Exterminador: Anyway, The message is reporting a bug in the BIOS mobo firmware. The kernel works around this problem, so unless you are seeing problems you believe are associated with this message you can safely ignore it.
[10:56] <geirha> well, you set it up with a gui; vino-preferences
[10:56] <littlekitty> but shame on me i forgot the name
[10:57] <littlekitty> no command 'vino' found
[10:57] <geirha> yeah there's no binary named vino
[10:57] <arun007> ya the binary is called vino-preferences
[10:58] <littlekitty> oh i found it. it's called xrdp
[10:58] <littlekitty> okay so i got xrdp and x11vnc and neither of them is secured by credentials
[10:59] <littlekitty> but what is used for my ssh connection then? how can i find that out?
[10:59] <geirha> you might like freenx or x2go more
[11:00] <littlekitty> x11vnc seems easier to configure
[11:00] <littlekitty> so how can i stop xrdp from autostarting?
[11:00] <littlekitty> i meant easier than xrdp. i dont know about those @geirha
[11:01] <geirha> they're saner than rdp
[11:02] <littlekitty> my /etc/rc.local is empty
[11:02] <littlekitty> if that means anything
[11:03] <littlekitty> should I uninstall xrdp rather fiddling around to disable the autostart?
[11:03] <bytefire> the fail whale error is preceeded by this: gnome-session[1765]: ** (zeitgeist-datahub:2282): WARNING **: zeitgeist-datahub.vala:229: Unable to get name "org.gnome.zeitgeist.datahub" on the bus!
[11:17] <arun007> anyone suggest a better font for gnome-terminal
[11:18] <littlekitty> if a folder starts with a dot is it automatically hidden?
[11:18] <arun007> littlekitty: yes
[11:19] <littlekitty> ty
[11:23] <littlekitty> so i managed to get into dash
[11:24] <littlekitty> but there is no xrdp listed to uninstall
[11:35] <karalaine> Hi, just got 17.04 running in this Thinpad x1 with intel hd 5500. mouse cursor keeps blinking randomly and disappearing at times altogether? googling stackoverflow etc posts seem to suggest that there would be extra displays in display settings but thats not the case.
[11:44] <Dridh> Hi
[11:44] <Dridh> Please name a ts reader for ubuntu
[11:46] <arun007> Dridh: what you want to read?
[11:46] <techsynt> hi who can name a channel for an unofficial talking ?
[11:46] <techsynt> in freenode server
[11:47] <Dridh> Transport stream
[11:48] <EriC^^> techsynt: #ubuntu-offtopic or #chat
[11:49] <Dridh> ?
[11:49] <bytefire> how can i boot ubuntu without gui. just text mode
[11:50] <hateball> !recovery
[11:50] <arun007> bytefire: change run level to 3
[11:51] <arun007> bytefire: see my PM
[11:52] <tarzeau> will netplan be installed no matter what on 17.10 (and later 18.04)? can ubuntu work without, if i remove netplan?
[11:52] <BluesKaj> bytefire, ctl+alt+F1-F6 at the login page
[11:53] <bytefire> arun007: cheers!
[11:53] <bytefire> BluesKaj: thanks, but i don't want gui to come up at all
[11:54] <bytefire> arun007: out of interest, how does it work? what decides whether to start gui or not?
[11:55] <BluesKaj> then remove the login I guess, which ever one you use
[11:55] <bytefire> as in why setting run level to 3 stops gui from coming up
[11:56] <arun007> bytefire: check this link http://www.pathbreak.com/blog/ubuntu-startup-init-scripts-runlevels-upstart-jobs-explained
[11:56] <Dridh> Hi
[11:57] <Dridh> Need a transport stream analyzer
[11:57] <Dridh> for ubuntu
[11:57] <Dridh> Please tell
[11:57] <Dridh> ?
[11:57] <bytefire> arun007: thanks very much
[11:58] <arun007> Dridh: Here it is https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/lucid/dvbsnoop/
[11:59] <geirha> bytefire: sudo systemctl disable lightdm.service
[12:00] <compdoc> Dridh, not sure what that is
[12:15] <bytefire> geirha: thanks. i prefer runlevel solution as it disables gui completely
[12:50] <Israphel> guys do you know if openconnect 7.08 will be backported to ubuntu xenial by any chance?
[12:57] <mystictot> which is best compression tool. Considering the fact that data is around 150GB and i need to distribute the compressed data to non-linux users
[12:57] <mystictot> ?
[12:58] <compdoc> zip?
[13:02] <eutampieri> Hello everyone! Does anybody know why suddenly all my USB peripherals stopped working in 16.04 even if lsusb gives correct output?
[13:06] <o1e9> oops, it is not a first time then dd an ISO image to USB drive systemd-udevd crashes ... anyone experienced that before?
[13:07] <hethkar> Hello my boot hangs at this screen http://i.imgur.com/ZQ3tFN1.jpg ubuntu 16.04 how can i fix this and get into desktop
[13:08] <LordDragon> hey all
[13:09] <LordDragon> my ubuntu server install doesnt seem to be auto syncing the time with NTP
[13:09] <LordDragon> timesyncd doesnt seem installed
[13:09] <LordDragon> do i need that to auto sync time?
[13:10] <eutampieri> hethkar try Ctrl+Alt+F7
[13:11] <eutampieri> or Ctrl+Alt+F2 then login and then sudo service lightdm restart
[13:12] <compdoc> LordDragon, install ntp
[13:12] <hethkar> eutampieri yes i tried that but could get into those ttys .. its not working
[13:12] <LordDragon> compdoc: this doc i saw said "In recent Ubuntu releases timesyncd replaces the client portion of ntpd."
[13:12] <compdoc> ah
[13:13] <eutampieri> However, does anybody know why suddenly all my USB peripherals stopped working in 16.04 even if lsusb gives correct output?
[13:13] <ducasse> LordDragon: it definitely should be installed, the unit is called systemd-timesyncd iirc
[13:14] <ducasse> LordDragon: just enable and start it if it isn't already
[13:14] <vlt> eutampieri: Did a reboot help?
[13:14] <LordDragon> how do i cleanup my /boot dir?
[13:14] <vlt> LordDragon: apt autoremove
[13:14] <LordDragon> vlt: thank you
[13:16] <LordDragon> wow. so i cant autoremove because "unmet dependecies" which seems to be linux-image-generic
[13:17] <LordDragon> i guess /boot is full or something
[13:17] <LordDragon> and it cant install the needed kernel
[13:18] <bytefire> i have a wifi chip on motherboard whose driver - rtl8192ce - i think causes system to lock up
[13:18] <bytefire> what's the best way to deal with this? a) blacklist that module b) disable wifi some other way?
[13:19] <bytefire> or something else
[13:20] <ducasse> bytefire: disable it in bios?
[13:21] <bytefire> ducasse: what???
[13:21] <eutampieri> vlt no, unfortunately!
[13:21] <bytefire> i mean a non-fictitious solution
[13:21] <ducasse> bytefire: there's no setting to do so?
[13:22] <Dump_not> You can buy usb-wifi addapter also :)
[13:23] <vlt> eutampieri: Is your keyboard or mouse connected via USB?
[13:24] <namoamitabuddha> Hello
[13:24] <Dump_not> oY!
[13:25] <namoamitabuddha> Can I create a bootable USB stick for Ubuntu installer just by dd the iso to the block device of the USB stick?
[13:25] <ducasse> namoamitabuddha: yes
[13:25] <namoamitabuddha> I don't know many modern stuff such as efi, etc.
[13:26] <ducasse> namoamitabuddha: it's a hybrid iso with mbr, partition table - everything you need
[13:27] <namoamitabuddha> I don't know whether it also contains GPT.
[13:28] <ducasse> namoamitabuddha: it has an efi partition, which is the important bit. the partition table is probably gpt with protective mbr - i don't remember
[13:32] <vlt> namoamitabuddha: (Sometimes I have to make sure all data is actually written to the USB drive after the dd process has finished.)
[13:33] <namoamitabuddha> Thanks
[13:33] <namoamitabuddha> Usually is it assured by sync; sync; sync?
[13:39] <LordDragon> hey all. so i freed up some space in /boot
[13:39] <LordDragon> and autoremove got some of the extra
[13:40] <LordDragon> but now when i try to finish the "upgrade"
[13:40] <LordDragon> i get:
[13:40] <LordDragon> The following packages have been kept back:
[13:40] <LordDragon>   linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic
[13:40] <vlt> namoamitabuddha: I'm not sure. I just have a look at `vmstat 1` :-D
[13:40] <LordDragon> 3 packages are held back.
[13:40] <leftyfb> LordDragon: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:41] <LordDragon> leftyfb: yeah but i dont want a whole new linux version
[13:41] <LordDragon> i just want the latest kernel and to remove the old ones
[13:41] <leftyfb> LordDragon: that's not what it does
[13:41] <LordDragon> oh
[13:41] <ws2k3> im trying to install rpm2cpio on buntu 16.04 but im getting Package rpm2cpio is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[13:41] <ws2k3> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[13:41] <ws2k3> is only available from another source
[13:42] <leftyfb> !package rpm2cpio
[13:42] <leftyfb> ws2k3: rpm2cpio is available from the universe repository
[13:43] <ws2k3> leftyfb what does that mean?
[13:43] <leftyfb> ws2k3: can I ask why you think you need anything to do with rpm?
[13:44] <ikonia> I'm curious too
[13:46] <LordDragon> leftyfb: that did it. thanks. i still have a few leftover initrd.img-x.xx-generic files. do i just manually delete them? or is there a proper command for removal?
[13:46] <Mylon> Hello, my package manager list seems woefully out of date.  I'm running an old version of pidgin and Firefox.  sudo apt-get update didn't update for me.  What's a good way to get more up to date software?
[13:46] <leftyfb> LordDragon: it's never a good idea to manually delete anything in /boot
[13:46] <leftyfb> Mylon: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[13:47] <LordDragon> leftyfb: well it was full and nothing would work so i used dpkg to remove some. but then sudo apt-get install -f put parts back etc
[13:47] <Mylon> leftyfb: 15.10
[13:47] <ducasse> Mylon: that's dead
[13:48] <leftyfb> Mylon: that is no longer supported. You need to upgrade. Preferably to 16.04
[13:48] <LordDragon> dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove linux-image-3.13.0-108-generic which isn't installed
[13:48] <Dump_not> After installing ubuntu with ubuntu mini I got only couple of repos. Can some body give link to most needed repos for ubuntu?
[13:48] <kappa1> hello! I resized my partitions and now I can't access my ubuntu partition. I am on a Mac System that used EFI to boot. What can I do to solve this?
[13:48] <LordDragon> yet the initrd.img file is there
[13:49] <Mylon> Well... My other computer didn't handle an update well but...
[13:49] <Mylon> Let's try my luck on this one.
[13:49] <Mylon> apt-get dist-upgrade didn't do anything either... Hmm.
[13:49] <ikonia> it won't
[13:50] <ikonia> because it's on an EOL release
[13:50] <ikonia> the repos are dead
[13:50] <Mylon> How do I upgrade then?  My v17 media did not work well on my other laptop (kept complaining about the boot partition so I ended up wiping he whole HD)
[13:51] <ikonia> if you've wiped the whole PC you do a clear install
[13:51] <Mylon> This laptop actually has data I care about.
[13:52] <ikonia> back it up then
[13:58] <hateball> !eolupgrade | Mylon
[13:59] <someone_> Hi , I'm looking for program divides internet speed between devices .
[14:00] <Mylon> Are there any one-stop solutions that change the display of the desktop?  I'm not a huge fan of the status bar on top and the taskbar on the left (the default v17 setup)
[14:00] <someone_> Is there any program like this works on Ubuntu ?
[14:04] <someone_> anyone ?
[14:05] <acresearch> people, i just installed sudo apt install autodocktool,,, but when i start it i get a traceback saying ---> ImportError: No module named oldnumeric   any help?
[14:06] <ducasse> someone_: you'd normally do that on your router, try ##networking
[14:06] <zetheroo> has anyone been able to get Nagstamon 2 working in Ubuntu 16.04 ?
[14:06] <Mylon> hateball: Thank you.
[14:07] <vlt> someone_: tc
[14:08] <vlt> someone_: (If I got your question right.)
[14:08] <vlt> someone_: Seems to be part of the iproute package.
[14:10] <someone_> Thanks guys.
[14:15] <o1e9> someone_, look for 'iptables load balancing', there are many tips how to use iptables statistics for trafic shaping
[14:17] <someone_> o1e9 Thanks
[14:47] <Mylon> A website wasn't rendering right in my 17.04 install browser (firefox) so I tried downloading Chrome, but when I open the package up, Ubuntu Software comes up and has an install button, but the button does nothing.  What's going on?
[14:51] <nicomachus> Mylon: did you just download the .deb?
[14:51] <nicomachus> There's a bug with software center installing .deb's. You can do from terminal easily.
[14:52] <tsglove> Hey guys, I'm pulling my hair out.  I have a csv file.   I need to know the character set, so I can convert it.   If I run    file -ib file.csv     it returns iso-8859-1       if I run   uchardet file.csv    it returns    windows-1252                   So then I run iconv -f iso-8859-1 -t us-ascii file.csv      and it blows up on the first accented letter.  Same if I use windows-1252.    Any idea what I could run/do?
[14:54] <leftyfb> tsglove: If you're going to copy and paste the same question from another channel/medium, please take the time to clean it up so people don't need to struggle to read it.
[14:54] <ash_workz> so I got a prompt and minimized all my windows and can't get back to the prompt
[14:55] <ash_workz> when I do `wmctrl -l` I see the title of the window for the prompt
[14:55] <ash_workz> but `wmctrl -i -R <win_id>` doesn't do anything
[14:55] <Mylon> Yeah, It's the deb.
[14:55] <ash_workz> similar to using the <win_id> for the desktop... even though at least the focus is removed from the current window
[14:56] <ash_workz> any ideas why?
[14:56] <Mylon> I found the command to do it from the file.
[14:57] <nicomachus> Mylon: great. did it work installing from terminal?
[14:58] <ultrav1olet> what the f* has happened to ubuntu's RSS security feed?
[14:58] <Mylon> It launched, but it had some weird errors in the console.
[14:58] <ultrav1olet> https://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+security+updates+rss -> https://www.ubuntu.com/usn/ -> 404
[14:58] <ultrav1olet> Like really?
[14:59] <Mylon> Something about insufficient permissions, even though I sudod the command.
[14:59] <tgm4883> ultrav1olet: https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/ works for me
[15:00] <tgm4883> ultrav1olet: something's wonky with your link
[15:00] <ultrav1olet> tgm4883: so the link has indeed changed and no one set up a redirect. How nice.
[15:00] <ultrav1olet> yeah, and with google's too
[15:01] <tgm4883> ultrav1olet: what was the link before? I don't think it's changed
[15:01] <tgm4883> oh, maybe it did
[15:01] <ultrav1olet> tgm4883: https://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+security+updates+rss -> https://www.ubuntu.com/usn/ -> 404
[15:01]  * tgm4883 shrugs
[15:01] <ultrav1olet> either you're super inattentive or just ignore what I wrote
[15:02] <tgm4883> ultrav1olet: Actually, there is a redirect in place, it's just broken apparently
[15:03] <ash_workz> I can't believe it's so hard for me to find out exactly what these window properties are
[15:04] <tgm4883> ultrav1olet: you should file a bug for it
[15:04] <ultrav1olet> a broken redirect is a missing redirect
[15:04] <tgm4883> ultrav1olet: no
[15:05] <ultrav1olet> tgm4883: I'm not registered at launchpad, so it's up to you to do that ;)
[15:06] <ultrav1olet> argue with someone else please - I'm a simpleton who just sees what he sees
[15:06] <tgm4883> ultrav1olet: it's not on launchpad, it's on github. But I'll go ahead and do it because I figured you would rather just complain about it anyway
[15:09] <ash_workz> does anyone know where I can get more specific information on window properties? 'modal, sticky, maximized_vert, maximized_horz, shaded...' ?
[15:10] <dckx> hi all. After updating ubuntu, my /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf no longer exists. Does anyone know what file now stores the touchpad settings?
[15:12] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> my ubuntu told me there is an upgrade available, i clicked yes
[15:12] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> now it says it's gonna uninstall xscreensaver
[15:12] <nacc> dckx: might have moved to libinput (40-libinput.conf)
[15:12] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> i just want to know why do i have to install xscreensaver
[15:13] <leftyfb> Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2: what version are you upgrading to/from?
[15:13] <ash_workz> maybe I'm in the wrong channel for my problem :
[15:13] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> 16.04
[15:13] <leftyfb> Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2: to or from?
[15:13] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> wait
[15:13] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> i amusing 16.04
[15:13] <axslayer33> Is anyone here familiar with authenticating Ubuntu to AD?
[15:13] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> did i click yes to a version upgrade?
[15:14] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> i want to wait 'till 18.04
[15:14] <nacc> ash_workz: what information do you need about them? their values? or what they mean?
[15:14] <leftyfb> Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2: personally, I would not upgrade away from 16.04 until 18.04 comes out
[15:14] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> i know that
[15:14] <axslayer33> I remember the last tme I was here someone was working on the exact same thing....
[15:14] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> did i clicked a version upgrade?
[15:14] <axslayer33> don't remember who though
[15:14] <ash_workz> nacc: what they mean... I mean some are self explanatory, but modal, sticky (kinda self explanatory via TIAS) and shaded
[15:14] <leftyfb> Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2: We do not know what you clicked
[15:14] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> ok
[15:15] <Mo4_xi1_ge1_Ren2> i've just clicked cancel to whatever i was doing, thank you guys and gals!
[15:16] <nacc> ash_workz: https://specifications.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-1.3.html
[15:16] <nacc> ash_workz: not sure if that is canonical
[15:17] <dckx> nacc: will check, thanks
[15:18] <arun007> can anyone suggest some monospace fonts to use with terminal
[15:18] <codecutter> installed neo4j via apt-get but can't find the /bin, how do i locate it?
[15:18] <ash_workz> nacc: thanks!
[15:20] <nacc> codecutter: `dpkg -L neo4j` or `apt-file list neo4j` will list the contents
[15:21] <tomeaton17> Is there a way to stop my headphones from becoming a headset when I open up an application that uses the microphone? It is really glitched on my bluetooth headset, it keeps telling me I have a call when I don't.
[15:22] <codecutter> apt-file list neo4j, gives me nothing
[15:22] <ash_workz> thanks nacc, that did help. What did you do to find this spec?
[15:23] <codecutter> nvm, found it
[15:23] <tomeaton17> I want it to just stay as an audio sink
[15:23] <ash_workz> this is weird, when I did `wmctrl -i -R ...` in a different terminal it switched me back to my old terminal instead of that prompt I'm trying to target
[15:23] <nacc> ash_workz: google for 'linux window property definitions modal shaded'
[15:24] <nacc> codecutter: fwiw, neo4j is not a package in ubuntu afaict
[15:24] <axslayer33> is anyone here familiar with trying to authenticate ubuntu to AD?
[15:24] <nacc> codecutter: is it a symbol?
[15:24] <nacc> axslayer33: you'd use samba (or some winbind or somesuch for it)
[15:24] <codecutter> symbol?
[15:25] <nacc> codecutter: some things are 'provided' by packages but are not packages themselves
[15:25] <nacc> codecutter: only useful for dependency resolution
[15:25] <codecutter> found it, nvm
[15:25] <axslayer33> Yeah, I know, I keep getting told that it can't find any KDC server despite the fact I have the kdc server, I have the name, I can ping it, everything
[15:25] <axslayer33> kinit keeps failnig.
[15:25] <nacc> axslayer33: i'm not very familiar with it, just know what technologies to use
[15:25] <tsglove> Hey guys, I'm pulling my hair out.  I have a csv file.   I need to know the character set, so I can convert it.   If I run    file -ib file.csv     it returns iso-8859-1       if I run   uchardet file.csv    it returns    windows-1252                   So then I run iconv -f iso-8859-1 -t us-ascii file.csv      and it blows up on the first accented letter.  Same if I use windows-1252.    Any idea what I could run/do?
[15:25] <ash_workz> thanks nacc
[15:31] <tsglove> leftyfb, got it working with  iconv -f windows-1252 -t utf-8 -o newFile.csv originalFile.csv
[15:41] <whoami1> last day the problem was not solved
[15:41] <whoami1> and the link of the problem is https://pastebin.com/MQ49038B
[15:42] <whoami1> please check it and give me the solution how do i fix it
[15:44] <codecutter> https://pastebin.com/3GaABUJJ
[15:45] <kristhian> have you tried apt-get update --fix-missing
[15:46] <Dbugger> Hello everyone
[15:47] <Dbugger> I have a weird issue. CTRL+SHIFT+T is the combo for a new Terminal. If I do this combo on a workspace, then change workspace and press the combo again, a new terminal will open in the new workspace but... I will be taken back to the previous workspace where the other terminal is
[15:47] <Dbugger> Isnt that weird?
[15:47] <whoami1> kristhian: i have tried
[15:48] <whoami1> but when am trying to install vim or gvim then its again apperaring
[15:48] <whoami1> and vim is not installing
[15:49] <x0a> do you mean CTRL+ALT+T? that's the default on mine on 17.04
[15:49] <arooni> question;. is this still the way to make my laptop suspend and potentially wake up at certain times? https://askubuntu.com/questions/61708/automatically-sleep-and-wake-up-at-specific-times
[15:49] <Dbugger> x0a, Sorry, yeah. I meant that one
[15:50] <whoami1> kristhian: please
[15:50] <whoami1> reply
[15:50] <nacc> whoami1: my guess is a bad mirror
[15:50] <nacc> whoami1: hash sum mismatches don't happen anymore with xenial and on (iirc), if the mirror is correct
[15:50] <x0a> Dbugger I just tried it, i don't get the same behavior on my end. but that might be because I'm using Terminix rather than gnome-terminal
[15:50] <nacc> whoami1: although odd to see it for the security repo too
[15:50] <whoami1> nacc: i have change to the main server
[15:50] <whoami1> nacc: still its happening
[15:51] <nacc> whoami1: did you purge your local lists?
[15:51] <Dbugger> x0a, I am using Terminator
[15:51] <whoami1> nacc: yes i have already done that
[15:51] <Dbugger> *Terminator
[15:52] <whoami1> nacc: first i have used sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/*
[15:52] <x0a> interesting. it may be a bug on their end
[15:52] <axslayer33> I guess no one here has any knowledge of AD Authenticating from Ubuntu?
[15:52] <whoami1> nacc: then sudo apt clean
[15:52] <whoami1> nacc: then tried apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:53] <oerheks> Dbugger, sounds as normal behaviour, opening new tab in terminater instead of opening a new instance of terminator
[15:53] <Dbugger> oerheks, but if I want to open a new window?
[15:53] <kristhian> sorry whoami1, im not that good in troubleshooting tho, i just saw that you need --fix-missing there
[15:53] <kristhian> i am also new in linux, first disto is ubuntu
[15:54] <whoami1> oo
[15:54] <kristhian> i think nacc has the best answer for your problem
[15:54] <whoami1> but nacc is not replying
[15:54] <kristhian> maybe he is busy
[15:54] <whoami1> maybe
[15:55] <oerheks> Dbugger, maybe terminator has the same settings as gnome terminal, shift + ctrl + N = new terminal
[15:55] <whoami1> help
[15:55] <x0a> Dbugger let me give terminator a try
[15:55] <Dbugger> x0a, sure
[15:55] <Dbugger> oerheks, that combo gives me nothing
[15:56] <oerheks> whoami1, if you did change to *main* , why does your paste still contain  http://in.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[15:56] <oerheks> Dbugger, then it is not possible in terminator, sorry
[15:57] <Dbugger> oerheks, weird, because in my previous system it was possible...
[15:57] <whoami1> oerheks: dont knwo
[15:57] <whoami1> *know
[15:57] <whoami1> let me check again
[15:58] <ducasse> Dbugger: try shift+ctrl+i
[15:58] <x0a> Dbugger weird.. my ctrl+alt+t seems to run terminix directly rather than x-terminal-emulator
[15:58] <oerheks> ducasse +1 just found: Shift+Ctrl+I >> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/144594/terminator-doesnt-open-new-window
[15:58] <kristhian> will dpkg --configure -a
[15:58] <kristhian> help?
[15:58] <kristhian> in whoami1's problem?
[15:59] <ducasse> Dbugger: you can configure that in preferences
[15:59] <oerheks> kristhian, nope his mirror seems to be behind
[15:59] <kristhian> i see, ok
[16:04] <ducasse> whoami1: try removing your old lists again and edit your sources.list to another mirror
[16:04] <kristhian> will deleting and finding new mirror to be attached in /etc/apt/sourceslist.d help?
[16:04] <kristhian> in whoami1?
[16:04] <whoami1> ducasse: which one?
[16:04] <kristhian> oh
[16:04] <kristhian> yeah, that's what i meant too
[16:05] <ducasse> whoami1: try one that is regularly updated, see the ubuntu mirror list
[16:05] <ducasse> !mirrors | whoami1
[16:05] <x0a> Dbugger just tried it. had to do some screwery in dconf. but i cant replicate your symtom. i hit the combo in this workspace, then move to the second workspace and hit the combo, it doesn't switch to the first
[16:07] <glitsj16> https://www.ubuntu.com/usn/ is 404'ing.. is there a new URL for Ubuntu Security Notices?
[16:08] <oerheks> glitsj16, just noticed it too, if i remove the last bits, it works
[16:09] <oerheks> https://usn.ubuntu.com/
[16:09] <glitsj16> oerheks: thanks
[16:09] <oerheks> not sure where to report this and were
[16:11] <DaVinciIT> (new on Ubuntu) hi all. I would like to change all my workstation to Ubuntu. do you know a book/link ? (is it possibile centralize users/group/access policy like a AD ?) thank you for your time.
[16:11] <Dbugger> x0a, I might try uninstalling and reinstalling
[16:13] <whoami1> ducasse: i have changed to ubuntu main server
[16:13] <tgm4883> oerheks: it's already reported
[16:13] <whoami1> oerheks: i have changed to the main server
[16:14] <tgm4883> oerheks: glitsj16 https://github.com/canonical-websites/www.ubuntu.com/issues/2128
[16:14] <glitsj16> oerheks: me neither, looks like they're going through some changes for usn, currently i can only get the atom feed working, not the rss one
[16:14] <oerheks> tgm4883, thanks, i shall have no worries now
[16:14] <Dbugger> Indeed, it is something that happens only with "terminator", not with Ubuntu native term
[16:15] <glitsj16> tgm4883: thank you, I'll keep an aye on the feeds and report after testing
[16:17] <ycyclist> #join #vim
[16:32] <scottyg> hello all. i currently have linux-image-generic, linux-image-generic-lts-utopic, and linux-image-generic-lts-vivid installed (hardware enablement stack). linux-image-generic started complaining about being held back. i could just run apt-get install on the package but i'm wondering if i should just purge -generic and -generic-lts-utopic since I don't need them.
[16:32] <scottyg> haven't found the right combination of google search words to figure out if that is safe!
[16:33] <scottyg> feels weird to purge linux-image-generic so figure i'd ask first
[16:38] <hggdh> scottyg: you can run just with the HWE stack(s). But if you keep linux-image-generic, it is a very good move to keep it up-to-date
[16:39] <scottyg> thanks hggdh. so just to confirm, it should be safe to purge linux-image-generic and linux-image-generic-lts-utopic?
[16:40] <hggdh> yes, it should. Under which kernel are you currently running?
[16:40] <hggdh> (cat /proc/kernel_signature)
[16:41] <scottyg> awesome
[16:41] <scottyg> i wonder if that proc device is new, doesn't exist on my computer
[16:41] <scottyg> anyway, uname -a
[16:41] <scottyg> 3.19.0-80-generic #88~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP
[16:41] <oerheks> i would use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove unused kernels safely
[16:41] <hggdh> ^ yes
[16:42] <scottyg> huh didn't realize autoremove accept a package. nice
[16:43] <oerheks> have fun!
[16:43] <hggdh> scottyg: my bad. It is /proc/version_signature
[17:32] <Elec_A> Can I ask a crazy question? How to know which device is my /home folder located? like sda or sdb or sdc? I don't have "/home" in the output of commands like "lsblk". does it mean it is located where root "/" is located ?
[17:33] <nacc> Elec_A: yes, that's what i'd expect
[17:35] <Elec_A> nacc: output of lsblk show that the type of "/" is "lvm" what does lvm mean?
[17:35] <oerheks> !lvm
[17:36] <oerheks> Logical Volume Managment
[17:36] <Elec_A> oerheks: Thank you!
[17:37] <knittl> hi. I have the weirdest problem. A "du -sh * | sort -h" does not show some files, but they are in the directory (ls shows them, du -h file shows the correct size). What's up?
[17:38] <someboy> Hi all.
[17:38] <someboy> I want to write an script like this `while true; start xvfb; sleep; python2.7 my-dog.py; killall xvfb; sleep`
[17:38] <someboy> how can I get it working, with starting the xvfb and sleep too
[17:39] <oerheks> knittl, man du
[17:39] <oerheks>  -s, --summarize display only a total
[17:39] <knittl> oerheks: yes, but it's a regular file
[17:39] <knittl> not inside another directory
[17:40] <knittl> the size reported by du is off by 1 GB (700 MB vs 1.8 GB)
[17:40] <knittl> I just noticed, that the file has 114 links. This is fishy (but shouldn't affect du?)
[17:42] <oerheks> i cannot give an answer to that, too little info ..
[17:42] <knittl> oerheks: can I provide more info?
[17:44] <oerheks> ls -la should show the same output as du -h, i guess
[17:44] <oerheks> not sure what is going on there
[17:44] <nacc> knittl: what files, specifically aren't shown?
[17:44] <nacc> knittl: can you give an example output (use a pastebin)
[17:44] <knittl> ooooh. those are all hardlinks to the same file. rsync de-duplicated them (now they are counted multiple times, but on the old system only once)
[17:44] <nacc> somepoortech: you need to background the xvfb process probably
[17:45] <nacc> somepoortech: nm! someboy left, sorry
[18:27] <Elec_A> How can I read a file for no reason? I mean read a file and then throw the already read data away.
[18:28] <nacc> Elec_A: i don't understand? just throw the data away
[18:28] <Elec_A> nacc: yes, I want to test the I/O rate of my hard drive.
[18:28] <Jordan_U> Elec_A: cat /path/to/file > /dev/null
[18:28] <Elec_A> Jordan_U: Great! Thanks!
[18:29] <nacc> Elec_A: use an actual IO tester?
[18:29] <nacc> Elec_A: as what you're testing is the read rate of your filesystem
[18:29] <oerheks> Open Disks from the Dash, and select Benchmark Disk....
[18:30] <Jordan_U> Elec_A: Note that the second and subsequent times you read the same file (or read data from a recently written file) you will get some cached data in RAM that will skew your results/
[18:30] <oerheks> hdparm -Tt /dev/sdX would give 2 numbers, cached and buffered
[18:31] <Elec_A> nacc: the problem is "iostat" does not return any reading rate and is always showing 0.0 kB/s. It is a remote system and I'm connected to it with ssh. I don't internet connected to the system and iostat is installed. I came up with the idea of reading file and throw the read data away.
[18:32] <Elec_A> nacc: I want to see what's wrong with iostat.
[18:32] <Elec_A> oerheks: oh thats nice!
[18:32] <Elec_A> Jordan_U: Thanks!
[18:33] <benmoss> is anyone aware that the redirect from https://www.ubuntu.com/usn/rss.xml is broken?
[18:34] <nacc> tgm4883: --^ you filed a bug irrc?
[18:34] <nacc> *iirc
[18:34] <tgm4883> nacc: yes I did
[18:34] <tgm4883> https://github.com/canonical-websites/www.ubuntu.com/issues/2128
[18:34] <Elec_A> Jordan_U: Can I clear cached data manually?
[18:34] <axisys> anyone here use davmail? I am trying to findout how to increase java memory size . I do not see a parameter in davmail.properties file
[18:35] <benmoss> looks like the USN RSS feed is a known issue: https://github.com/canonical-websites/www.ubuntu.com/issues/2128
[18:35] <Handle> I've got a problem with dhclient, it removes the configured IPv6 from an interface when being started which is not what I want. Can anybody help?
[18:35] <oerheks> benmoss, it is reported, thank you for your observing and reporting this issue >> https://github.com/canonical-websites/www.ubuntu.com/issues/2128
[18:36] <Handle> I'm using -P to enable IPv6 prefix delegation and disable the address query but the IPv6 is being removed regardless
[19:30] <ycyclist>  So I just did an update to 16.04 and though I did -fy, it prompted me for whether to accept updates to sudoers stuff.  Is there a way to just say yes to that too?
[19:37] <arooni> hey team.  i have a laptop running 16.04;  how following; https://askubuntu.com/questions/15520/how-can-i-tell-ubuntu-to-do-nothing-when-i-close-my-laptop-lid i added HandleLidSwitch=ignore to /etc/systemd/logind.conf and it works; but 1) how can i have this be the case *only* when plugged in, and not on battery?  2) how can i get my laptop to go to sleep at certain times
[19:47] <grym> i'm running 16.04 on an nvidia tx-1 (aarch64).  I want to run a 32-bit binary on it --  Is there an  ARM version of `ia32-libs`?
[19:48] <arooni> hey team; i followed https://askubuntu.com/questions/763085/with-ubuntu-16-04-laptop-doesnt-suspend-when-lid-is-closed ;; but it looks like on my 16.04 (running kernel 4.8) i dont see options for suspend on battery / ac options .. ideas?
[19:48] <minimec> arooni: 2) --> https://askubuntu.com/a/1795
[19:49] <arooni> minimec: ok i think my irc client was messed up apologies if you answered sooner
[19:53] <chrisml> with cronjobs, is it better to redirect output and write (>) to /dev/null or append (>>) ?
[19:55] <Jordan_U> chrisml: If you're redirecting to /dev/null then it doesn't matter.
[19:55] <chrisml> Jordan_U ya, i just saw one appending and one writing, want to make them both the same
[19:56] <Jordan_U> chrisml: I'd stick with '>' if you're going to choose. Appending to /dev/null is just an odd concept, and requires a whole extra byte! :)
[19:56] <chrisml> :D
[19:57] <chrisml> true
[20:06] <Elec_A> I'm trying to execute this line, but it fails, what is wrong with it $ plot "< awk '(NR>2){print;}' ~/outputfinal"
[20:06] <ycyclist>  So I just did an update to 16.04 and though I did -fy, it prompted me for whether to accept updates to sudoers stuff.  Is there a way to just say yes to that too?
[20:06] <Elec_A> It returns "plot: < awk '(NR>2){print;}' ~/outputfinal: No such file or directory"
[20:12] <TJ-> Elec_A: do not put the < inside the "...", try "plot <(awk '(NR>2){print}') "
[20:12] <MeiR> i'm exploring a new existing server for learning it. it's ubuntu with ufw disabled, and iptables lists some rules. how can i be sure what is the source of the rules for automatic startup?
[20:13] <TJ-> MeiR: usually iptables-save and iptables-restore are responsible for saving/loading them. Normally the saved rules are in a file in /etc/
[20:13] <Elec_A> TJ-: yep. it worked! Thank you :)
[20:13] <TJ-> MeiR: If unsure how they're being applied I'd so "sudo grep -rn INPUT /etc/" to locate all files with "INPUT" in them, and figure out which one it is
[20:13] <MeiR> TJ-: yeah, but it's possible to perform iptables-restore also with referrencing a file, right?
[20:14] <MeiR> thought it would be better to have a look on startup commands
[20:14] <TJ-> MeiR: indeed, that's how the init scripts do it, they simply will have something like "iptables-restore -f /etc/iptables.save"
[20:14] <TJ-> MeiR: try "sudo grep -rn iptables-restore /etc/" :)
[20:15] <ycyclist> Okay, it looks like --force-yes and --force-confnew might be overlapping.
[20:15] <MeiR> ok thanks, good direction
[20:15] <TJ-> MeiR: if that fails, it's likely a systemd script under /lib/systemd/
[20:15] <MeiR> actually, i can look for part of one of the rules
[20:15] <ycyclist> I would like --force-confnew and otherwise --force-yes
[20:15] <TJ-> MeiR: yes, that's why I suggest "INPUT" since that is usually the chain where basic rules are being set
[20:16] <MeiR> i meant something more specific from within "iptables -L" output :)
[20:16] <MeiR> anyhow, i think i found it:
[20:16] <MeiR> root@dev:~# sudo grep -rn iptables-restore /etc/
[20:17] <MeiR> /etc/network/if-up.d/iptables:1:iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.rules
[20:17] <MeiR> /etc/network/interfaces:15:     pre-up iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.rules
[20:17] <MeiR> /etc/iptables.rules <== that's the bustard
[20:18] <TJ-> MeiR: right, that's installed by the ifupdown package
[20:18] <Doomsdrzej> Hello all fellow Ubuntuers
[20:20] <kostkon> Doomsdrzej, hi
[20:24] <Doomsdrzej> Is this channel strictly for support or do you also allow free chat around here?
[20:25] <Pici> Doomsdrzej: support only, other chatter is in #ubuntu-offtopic or elsewhere on freenode.
[20:25] <Doomsdrzej> Ah, thank you.
[20:27] <sirru5h> Hello everyone
[20:30] <MeiR> TJ-, unfortunately, after adding a rule and restoring iptables, something is still blocking the port
[20:30] <MeiR> it shows in netstat with LISTEN, but i can't telnet to it from outside
[20:31] <MeiR> ufw is disabled as i mentioned. what else can block it on ubuntu?
[20:31] <MeiR> nothing should block in the provider side (DigitalOcean with clout firewall off)
[20:31] <MeiR> cloud*
[20:32] <gabrielc> MeiR: if you run iptables-save the output is empty?
[20:33] <MeiR> wait, before that, what's the -I initial flag?
[20:33] <MeiR> i see now that all rules are added with -A (append)
[20:33] <MeiR> and the rule i just added (copied from some website) starts with -I
[20:33] <gabrielc> MeIR: -I insert the rule on top
[20:34] <MeiR> -I, --insert chain [rulenum] rule-specification
[20:34] <MeiR> Insert one or more rules in the selected chain as the given rule number. So, if the rule number is 1, the rule or rules are inserted at the head of the chain. This is also the default if no rule number is specified.
[20:34] <MeiR> ok, so should not make a difference i guess?
[20:34] <MeiR> unless some later rule blocks it again
[20:35] <gabrielc> MeiR: see the firewall logs. /var/log/syslog or with dmesg
[20:36] <MeiR> iptables-save isn't empty
[20:37] <gabrielc> MeiR: with iptables-save you can view the rules that apply
[20:39] <gabrielc> MeiR: check the lines that start with : . these are the defaults. ie INPUT DROP or INPUT ACCEPT
[20:40] <MeiR> root@dev:~# grep DROPPED /var/log/syslog
[20:40] <MeiR> root@dev:~# dmesg|grep DROPPED
[20:40] <MeiR> both are empty
[20:40] <MeiR> in the telnet it times out, so it must be DROP, right?
[20:41] <gabrielc> MeiR: dmesg|grep "IN="
[20:41] <oost> part
[20:41] <MeiR> gabrielc: empty too
[20:42] <MeiR> frusturating +_+
[20:43] <gabrielc> MeiR: use tcpdump to see whats happen with the three way handshake if the connection is tcp
[20:46] <arooni> is there an nice light weight calendar that syncs to google calendar?  or runs it like wavebox does for google inbox?  there used to be something called sunrise but that got kaboshed
[20:46] <bray90820> Can anyone recommend a touch mouse that works well with ubuntu I tried the apple magic mouse but that was a POS
[20:46] <gabrielc> MeiR: if the connexion start on one machine and ends on another, you must run tcpdump on both machines, on the interfaces involved
[20:47] <arooni> i think it was called california actually
[20:47] <MeiR> gabrielc, how can i filter by port?
[20:47] <ash_workz> is there a compose sequence for subscripts?
[20:48] <ash_workz> like how AltGr+1+^ is a superscript?
[20:49] <gabrielc> MeiR: --dport or --sport and with other options of iptables. read a tutorial or the manual
[20:49] <MeiR> gabrielc, i meant tcpdump :)
[20:50] <gabrielc> MeiR: tcpdump -n -i eth0 port 80
[20:52] <gabrielc> MeiR: you can use icmp (ping) to check the connectivity between machines to analyze the problem
[20:52] <MeiR> gabrielc, i can see traffic in both sides
[20:53] <MeiR> (which saves the need of connectivity check, i beleive)
[20:54] <gabrielc> MeiR: make the ping work in both ways and then the tcp or udp port
[20:55] <Elec_A> I have two files, in one of them there is a list of two columns like "3 8; 4 9; 5 4; ..." and the other file is "3 1; 4 10; 5 2, ...", I want to combine these files based on their first column in a way that to have a single file with 3 columns. are there any tools available to do this ?
[20:55] <MeiR> gabrielc, i believe that ping replies are disabled on purpose on the server
[20:56] <Elec_A> the new file should be like "3 8 1; 4 9 10; 5 4 2; ...."
[20:57] <gabrielc> MeiR: make the rules to testing, later remove them
[20:58] <Elec_A> found the solution! I used "join" command.
[20:58] <gabrielc> MeiR: ping was invented to use it in these cases
[21:01] <MeiR> gabrielc so to allow port 1?
[21:03] <arooni> anyway to see different settings on 16.04 for plugged in / battery power for deciding whether or not to resume/suspend when lid closes?
[21:03] <msev-> : The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/strukturag/libde265/ubuntu xenial Release' does not have a Release file.
[21:03] <msev-> N: Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use.
[21:03] <msev-> help please :)
[21:04] <TJ-> MeiR: I always put log rules first so everything gets logged. Otherwise there might be a rule before it that matches and jumps to another target, and that won't get logged
[21:06] <TJ-> MeiR: also, is the service listening on the interface you're connecting to from outside? use "sudo netstat -tnlp" to check. If it is listening on 0.0.0.0 (IPv4) or :::* (IPv6) then it is bound to all interfaces
[21:06] <MeiR> [23:30:42] <MeiR> it shows in netstat with LISTEN, but i can't telnet to it from outside
[21:07] <TheAndreiM> hello
[21:07] <TheAndreiM> I got a question
[21:07] <TJ-> MeiR: it's listening on all interfaces then? If so, then "sudo tcpdump -ni <ifname> port XX" and try the connection from outside.
[21:07] <MeiR> gabrielc, it shows with 0.0.0.0:*
[21:07] <TheAndreiM> how can I easily add a programming language repo to official apt-get?
[21:08] <MeiR> sorry, was for TJ- ^
[21:08] <TheAndreiM> I've checked the documentation and not sure how to use launchpad
[21:08] <TJ-> MeiR: is it possible your outside client has firewall rules blocking it, at it's network?
[21:09] <MeiR> TJ-: i don't think so but i'll check. checked also from my own pc
[21:09] <TheAndreiM> can anyone help me?
[21:09] <TheAndreiM> or point the right way?
[21:13] <TJ-> MeiR: use 'nmap' to check the open ports, e.g "sudo nmap -F <ipaddress>" from your client
[21:14] <gabrielc> MeiR: is the connection tcp or udp?
[21:14] <MeiR> tcp
[21:15] <MeiR> it's for Check_MK (Nagios)
[21:16] <pikytcus> So this is tcikoritys, on the laptop that crashes. I've done some more playing with it, and the kernel is actually panicking when it tries to load i915 with modesetting.
[21:16] <gabrielc> MeiR: both machines resides on the same lan? or they look at each other with routing
[21:17] <MeiR> gabrielc: different vps-s on digital ocean, so routing
[21:17] <MeiR> TJ-, the port doesn't show on nmap
[21:18] <pikytcus> I thought of trying to capture crash data, but whenever I load with modeset=1, I get a black screen. I installed kdump-tools in an effort to get the /proc/vmcore saved, but again, completely black screen. IDK where to go from here.
[21:18] <MeiR> TJ-: and i tried tcpdump with gabrielc, and i can see incoming traffic
[21:19] <pikytcus> Any tips on how to get crash data from a kernel that won't show it and apparently can't kexec?
[21:19] <gabrielc> MeiR: continue with the plan to make ping work first
[21:19] <MeiR> gabrielc, i did, but it looks like it ignores it
[21:20] <gabrielc> MeiR: if there are routing problems with ping you could see them
[21:20] <MeiR> wait, after the 'iptables' commands i should perform save/restore?
[21:21] <gabrielc> MeiR: you can run iptables-save > myrules.txt
[21:21] <gabrielc> MeiR: what you see with iptables-save is what's running
[21:22] <MeiR> i can anytime reload everything with that files i found at first. right?
[21:22] <MeiR> instead of worrying about saving the state or deleting
[21:22] <MeiR> that file*
[21:23] <MeiR> iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.rules
[21:23] <MeiR> all the rules that were set before my check are stored there
[21:23] <Moppy> How can I enable natural scrolling (reverse scroll wheel) in Ubuntu Desktop?
[21:24] <pikytcus> If needed, I can resubmit any hardware/software info. I have no idea how to get crash data from this since it goes to a completely blank screen. No idea if it's even loading the kdump kernel (I'd guess not but IDK).
[21:24] <gabrielc> MeiR: if /etc/iptables.rules is the file loaded when booting, yes
[21:25] <gabrielc> MeiR: has the server connectivity behind his default gateway?
[21:26] <MeiR> PING google.com (172.217.10.110) 56(84) bytes of data.
[21:26] <MeiR> ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
[21:26] <MeiR> ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
[21:26] <MeiR> hmm.... interesting
[21:27] <MeiR> gabrielc is that hinting that it cannot initiate connections?
[21:27] <gabrielc> MeiR: ping to the default gw
[21:28] <MeiR> root@dev:~# ping 0.0.0.0
[21:28] <MeiR> PING 0.0.0.0 (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
[21:28] <MeiR> ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
[21:28] <MeiR> wtf
[21:29] <gabrielc> MeiR: run something like iptables-save |grep -i output|grep -i drop
[21:29] <pikytcus> Is there something else I have to do to load the kdump kernel after a panic?
[21:29] <MeiR> oh, acutally it makes sense
[21:29] <MeiR> -A OUTPUT -j DROP
[21:30] <MeiR> it drops anything if it didn't match any rule
[21:30] <gabrielc> MeiR: 0.0.0.0 is not valid as destination
[21:30] <MeiR> we added icmp only for input
[21:30] <MeiR> that's why "ping" fails
[21:30] <MeiR> sooo i got it
[21:30] <gabrielc> MeiR: well, on the client side you must accept output, but on server you must accept input
[21:30] <MeiR> i should add the port also on OUTPUT :)
[21:31] <MeiR> yeah
[21:31] <MeiR> damn
[21:31] <MeiR> was so simple yet hidden from my thought
[21:31] <gabrielc> MeiR: ping is a friend
[21:35] <GrandPa-G> does anyone know a discussion place were I could get some help on scraping some complex web pages?
[21:37] <MeiR> gabrielc, it should be only --sport in both INPUT and OUTPUT, right?
[21:37] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: archive.org probably got forums or mailing lists dedicated to that. there's also archive.otday / archive.is who work on something similar.
[21:37] <MeiR> because we don't care about destination port
[21:37] <gabrielc> MeiR: sport is for source port, dport is for destination port. tcp has both of them
[21:37] <tomreyn> .. .and finally some kind-of-organization called archiveteam
[21:38] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: of course none of this has anything to do with ubuntu support ;)
[21:38] <MeiR> gabrielc, so i must add both?
[21:38] <GrandPa-G> tomreyn: of course, but you are all more informed than me.
[21:38] <MeiR> which means, 2 rules of INPUT and 2 rules of OUTPUT?
[21:38] <gabrielc> MeiR: better specify both
[21:39] <gabrielc> MeiR: like -s (source ip) and -d (destination ip) on each rule
[21:40] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: i doubt that as a generic statement. there's #ubuntu-offtopic also, but i guess you got fewer listeneres there, and most just know whom to talk to on what (personally i dont)
[21:40] <MeiR> FINALLY :D
[21:40] <MeiR> thanks a lot gabrielc! and also TJ-
[21:41] <pikytcus> Trying kernel 4.11.0-13-generic just for fun
[21:41] <gabrielc> MeiR: it work?
[21:42] <Skipp_OSX> 18-core Core i9-7980XE CPU coming out soon for $2000
[21:42] <Skipp_OSX> i9 hehe
[21:43] <oerheks> Skipp_OSX, how is that ubuntu support related?
[21:44] <MeiR> gabrielc, yeah, finally i could get reply from Check_MK agent
[21:44] <gabrielc> if it works read the documentation to make those rules persistent, and if you can reboot it now to confirm
[21:44] <Skipp_OSX> support channel didn't know sry
[21:44] <MeiR> yeah, i added them to the rules file
[21:45] <Skipp_OSX> kthxbye
[21:45] <MeiR> and the command is called in /etc/network/if-up.d/iptables
[21:45] <MeiR> and in /etc/network/interfaces with "pre-up"
[21:46] <MeiR> pre-up iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.rules
[21:47] <gabrielc> MeiR: has iptables-rules the correct syntax? without a typo?
[21:49] <MeiR> gabrielc, if there were typos, it would throw error in some stage?
[21:49] <gabrielc> MeiR: should
[21:49] <MeiR> ok them all goes smooth
[21:49] <MeiR> then*
[21:49] <gabrielc> MeiR: good
[21:50] <MeiR> now i have whole different problems, with configuring OMD
[21:50] <MeiR> but i'll leave it for tomorrow :)
[21:50] <gabrielc> MeiR:
[21:50] <gabrielc> MeiR: life goes on
[21:50] <MeiR> what monitoring system you recommend?
[21:51] <MeiR> open source or at least free is highly preferred
[21:51] <gabrielc> MeiR: i dont know. depends on the need
[21:52] <MeiR> server up/down, services up/down, hardware usage statistics
[21:52] <MeiR> for multiple servers
[21:53] <gabrielc> MeiR: zabbix? cacti? nagios?
[21:54] <MeiR> i got recommendations for Nagios, and that's how i heard about Check_MK, and later about OMD
[21:55] <gabrielc> MeiR: read something about zabbix too
[21:55] <MeiR> if it's not clear yet, i'm pretty new to linux world :)
[21:56] <gabrielc> i have been using Linux for 20 years or more
[22:00] <TJ-> MeiR: you should simply set the rules you need in memory, then do "sudo iptables-save > /etc/iptables.rules" or whatever the file is called, to ensure the file format is correct
[22:00] <TJ-> MeiR: but, if you want to see the rule format iptables-save uses, on the in-memory rules, just do "sudo iptables -S"
[22:03] <MeiR> yeah i'm quite familiar with this stuff already, thanks TJ- :)
[22:07] <chalcedny> is there a recommended way to zip files in ubuntu 16.04 besides commmand line?
[22:07] <chalcedny> hubby has several files to send
[22:11] <bjrohan> Hello all. I was able to remotely log in to my machine with x11vnc. I had to reboot the machine, and now I whne trying to use x11vnc I get the error: XOpenDisplay(":0") failed
[22:11] <bjrohan> I'm assuming because, the machine is sitting at the unity logon screen after roboot?
[22:11] <bjrohan> How can I remedy this from the command line remotely
[22:12] <pavlos> chalcedny: can you put all files in a folder and then from the file Manager zip them all into one zip file which can be sent?
[22:14] <chalcedny> pavlos, i dunno. can we?
[22:15] <chalcedny> pavlos, is 7 zip on ubuntu good?
[22:15] <pavlos> chalcedny: I created a folder in my home dir, chal, then I added a few files into that folder, then with the File Manager I selected that folder to compress and gave it the zip extension
[22:16] <pavlos> chalcedny: there are many compression pgms 7zip is fine.
[22:16] <chalcedny> let me see if he understands what to do
[22:16] <chalcedny> he says he's never done it before
[22:17] <pavlos> chalcedny: is he working with gui, File Manager only?
[22:17] <chalcedny> pavlos, gui would be easier yes
[22:18] <pavlos> chalcedny: ok, start File Manager, right click create new folder
[22:18] <chalcedny> ok going to his computer chull
[22:19] <pavlos> chalcedny: drag into that folder a couple of files (later he can add many files
[22:19] <bjrohan> Update if I run the following command, I can see the login screen, but as soon as I log in x11vnc quits :-(
[22:19] <bjrohan> sudo x11vnc -xkb -noxrecord -noxfixes -noxdamage -display :0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -usepw
[22:19] <chalcedny> ok .. he's away from the computer so give him a moment to unlock it
[22:22] <pavlos> chalcedny: here's a small video ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgYYR0WFjbM
[22:22] <bjrohan> Is there a better channel to ask in? for x11vnc help?
[22:30] <pavlos> bjrohan: any errors in  /var/log/Xorg.log ?
[22:31] <bjrohan> pavlos: I believe that i am finding the right track, in that I believe upon connection it wants to create a new session, instead of continuing with the original
[22:33] <pavlos> bjrohan: it should connect to the port defined, 5901 I guess
[22:33] <miguelfuller> anybody knows if on xubuntu in console mode when I delete a file it goes to a recycle bin or it gets permanently deleted?
[22:33] <bjrohan> pavlos: what would i look for in the logs. tailing the logs appears to just show resolutions
[22:33] <bjrohan> pavlos: running the command, start on port 5900
[22:33] <bjrohan> whereas before reboot it was 5901
[22:33] <th0r> bjrohan, I use x11vnc on :0, but run autologin at boot so don't ever call a login manager.
[22:35] <pavlos> bjrohan: ps -ef | grep x11vnc should list the process running
[22:35] <hggdh> miguelfuller: if you used 'rm', then permanently deleted
[22:36] <miguelfuller> hggdh: so console commands for delete like rm don't put files on bin only in graphical file manager?
[22:36] <bjrohan> pavlos: that does show it running, even though I can't connect to it, and it had shown that it quit
[22:37] <hggdh> yes. the file manager has the logic to move a file to a "trash" place; 'rm' assumes you know whatyou are doing
[22:37] <bjrohan> th0r: meaning no login screen then
[22:37] <bjrohan> th0r: ever
[22:38] <th0r> bjrohan, right...when I log in via vnc I am sent direct to the desktop
[22:39] <bjrohan> th0r: and at the machine, again, no login screen
[22:39] <th0r> bjrohan, I start x11vnc in rc.local (which I believe no longer works in stretch)
[22:39] <bjrohan> th0r: whats stretch?
[22:40] <th0r> bjrohan, Right. Come to think of it, I might be at a login screen if I wasn't doing an autologin at boot
[22:40] <bjrohan> th0r: possibly a screensaver login?
[22:40] <Casteil> ok so I've been fighting this frickin ubuntu vm :| http://i.imgur.com/1Q3sZ8X.png
[22:41] <th0r> bjrohan, I never tried that. Can put my commandline in the cloud if you would like to dissect it
[22:41] <Casteil> my /boot is full and I'm trying to clear up the unused kernels
[22:41] <nacc> Casteil: you would need to use dpkg for that at this point
[22:41] <nacc> Casteil: as your apt can't progress in the broken state
[22:41] <bjrohan> th0r: For now, since I am a distance from my machine, just need to get x11vnc to work. I can diable login at boot until I get back to the machine I suppose
[22:41] <Casteil> I attempted that :(
[22:42] <nacc> Casteil: should be able to figure out the installed kernel packages (the old ones) and purge a few to free up enough space in boot to proceed
[22:42] <Casteil> using uname -r I get 4.4.0-81-generic
[22:42] <pavlos> Casteil: remove a couple files from /boot directly, that gives room for apt to work
[22:42] <nacc> Casteil: why is your uname relevant?
[22:42] <nacc> pavlos: good point
[22:42] <pavlos> Casteil: not your current kernel (uname -r)
[22:42] <Casteil> hm
[22:43] <Casteil> the fact that this shit can just crap up in here is kinda goofy
[22:43] <Casteil> :|
[22:43] <nacc> !ohmy | Casteil
[22:44] <Casteil> ....
[22:44] <nacc> Casteil: it's not great that you are in this situation
[22:44] <nacc> Casteil: have you run autoremove at all recently? Or were you mostly using a GUI?
[22:44] <Casteil> it's a ubuntu vm hosting an irc bouncer, no gui
[22:45] <th0r> bjrohan, https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw3H7FgNpAoyUHM4Z0VidjVZWXc
[22:45] <Bashing-om> Casteil: If you do not want to deal with it , one can set that the system will deal with it automatically ( for the next time ) .
[22:45] <Casteil> that would be fantastic lol
[22:45] <nacc> Casteil: ok, then you've been using apt. iirc, by default, apt will say something like "the following packages are no longer needed" typically after each new kernel gets installed, the oldest is no longer needed. Were you doing that? (sudo apt autoremove when you see that message)?
[22:45] <minimec> Casteil: maybe first try to 'sudo apt clean' to clear the package cache in '/var/cache/apt/archives'. If apt doesn't work, you can remove then 'by hand'.
[22:45] <pavlos> Casteil: you can use dpkg --purge <oldkernel>
[22:46] <th0r> bjrohan, give that a go....it might work for you at the login screen....now that I look at it
[22:46] <nacc> Casteil: look into unattended-upgrades and turning on the autoremove flag
[22:46] <Bashing-om> Casteil: When you are stable we will return to ' unattended-upgrades' . remind me then .
[22:48] <Casteil> gah, using sudo apt-get purge linux-image-x.x.x-x-generic
[22:48] <Casteil>  I get
[22:48] <nacc> Casteil: *not* apt. You have to use dpkg directly.
[22:49] <nacc> Casteil: as you are in an broken state for some packages, apt can't proceed, most likely
[22:49] <Casteil> seems that way
[22:49] <bjrohan> th0r: well . . failed, upon reboot, had a login screen :-(
[22:50] <pavlos> Casteil: can you send this, ls -l /boot | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:51] <Casteil> well that's handy
[22:51] <Casteil> http://termbin.com/yxxb
[22:52] <th0r> bjrohan, I run that command line on a debian laptop and two raspbian desktops. I run it from rc.local at boot. Ubuntu may be different...there are changes in systemd that made it not work in debinan's latest release, so maybe ubuntu is the same
[22:52] <bjrohan> ok
[22:53] <pavlos> Casteil: rm vmlinuz-4.4.0-{64,66,70,71,72} ... that will make enough room
[22:54] <nacc> pavlos: then probably `sudo apt -f install; sudo apt autoremove` ?
[22:54] <pavlos> sure
[22:55] <Bashing-om> Casteil: pavlos With the caveat that the 'rm' will break the package manager and will have to fix .
[22:55] <Casteil> pav ok, so that freed up 4%
[22:55] <Casteil> :|
[22:55] <nacc> Bashing-om: it *might* be ok with files removed from packages to be removed, I'm trying to remember
[22:55] <pavlos> Casteil: you can clean up the {abi,config,initrd,System-map} respectively
[22:57] <th0r> bjrohan how are you trying to run the commandline?
[22:57] <Casteil> crap..
[22:59] <Casteil> I have no idea what you're referring to unfortunately, pavlos
[22:59] <nacc> Casteil: what does apt report now?
[23:00] <nacc> Casteil: if you're still out of space, pavlos says you can remove the same version of files for abi,config,initrd and System.map in /boot
[23:00] <nacc> e.g., config-4.4.0-{64,66,70,71,72}
[23:00] <Casteil> grr
[23:00] <Bashing-om> Casteil: ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ; ls -al /boot/ ' to see an overview of the kernels .
[23:00] <Casteil> doesn't help that I can't copy/paste into this vm
[23:01] <nacc> Casteil: you mean to copy commands?
[23:02] <Casteil> yep
[23:02] <nacc> Casteil: are you ssh'd in?
[23:02] <bjrohan> th0r: no, running unity
[23:02] <bjrohan> that way I can easily run my VM
[23:03] <pavlos> Casteil: ssh to your vm, then you can copy/paste
[23:03] <Casteil> nope.. no ssh access, just console on my vm server
[23:03] <Casteil> this crap is so irritating
[23:03] <bjrohan> th0r: sorry, misunderstood. what do you mean how am I trying to run the commandline. before I could ssh to the machine, run x11vnc, then connect to it locally using KRDC
[23:03] <bjrohan> I could enter my password at the screensaver screen, and do everything I needed to
[23:04] <pavlos> Casteil: use the nc termbin.com 9999 you may have to type those 4-6 chars
[23:04] <pavlos> Casteil: ls -l | nc termbin.com 9999 ... then give the url
[23:04] <Casteil> meh, I don't have time for this
[23:04] <Casteil> thanks for the help
[23:04] <bjrohan> I had to to a reboot and now upon starting the x11vnc, using KRDC, i see my login screen, once I enter my password, I get a server quit message
[23:05]  * pavlos ... and he's gone
[23:08] <th0r> bjrohan, are you leaving the ssh session running while using krdc?
[23:08] <bjrohan> yes
[23:08] <Bashing-om> pavlos: He will be back in whine mode .
[23:08] <pavlos> Bashing-om: lol
[23:09] <pavlos> dont even know the VM, VirtualBox can be configured for bi-directional copy/paste
[23:09] <bjrohan> getting quite frustrated, I have work I have to do :-(
[23:10] <pavlos> bjrohan: there is a startup file executed upon login, if that file calls something that does not exist, error
[23:11] <chull> hi Bashing-om *hugs*
[23:11] <chull> <-- chal
[23:11] <bjrohan> pavlos: I am not understanding, as it as working perfectly, then reboot, and poof, no more
[23:11] <Bashing-om> chull: Long time no read . stable ?
[23:11] <pavlos> bjrohan: could be it lost the auth cookie
[23:11] <chull> pavlos, ive got the files in a new directory. What do i need to do to compress them now?
[23:12] <pavlos> chull: right click, select compress ... give it a name and pick .zip extension
[23:12] <chull> Bashing-om, keeping on keeping on, you?
[23:12] <chull> pavlos, right click where? i didnt see it
[23:13] <pavlos> chull: it should create a nameyougave.zip file
[23:13] <pavlos> chull: right click on the folder that contains files
[23:13] <Bashing-om> chull: same : see what I can learn today - you are my ginny pig :)
[23:13] <backnforth> Hi, I have a command line question. How do I use apt-get upgrade and use & at the same time
[23:14]  * chull squeaks! happily
[23:14] <pavlos> backnforth: 'use' ???
[23:14] <backnforth> &
[23:14] <nacc> backnforth: why would background an upgrade task?
[23:14] <chull> pavlos, um click where please?
[23:14] <nacc> *would you
[23:15] <backnforth> because I'm using ssh and I only have one console at a time
[23:15] <nacc> backnforth: those aren't at all true together generally
[23:15] <nacc> backnforth: you can ssh multiple times
[23:15] <pavlos> chull, you created a folder and threw in there files. Name of folder?
[23:15] <pavlos> chull, with FileManager, select that foler, right click, Compress ...
[23:15] <chull> pavlos, he named it dfc
[23:16] <pavlos> chull, with FileManager, select dfc, right click, Compress ...
[23:16] <pavlos> chull, asks for name of zip file, and zelect zip extension
[23:17] <chull> pavlos, i'm at the file in his gui, are we talking about something else?
[23:17] <pavlos> chull, you use the File Manager (looks like a drawer)
[23:18] <chull> pavlos, got pictures or how to get there? he doesn't know either
[23:18] <pavlos> you can drag pics from some folder into dfc
[23:18] <chull> he is having a really sick time
[23:18] <chull> our question is: where is 'file manager'?
[23:19] <pavlos> chull, ubuntu screen, icons on the left side, one looks like a cabinet or a drawer
[23:19] <limbo_> Is there a tool to increase the size of a swap file or swap partition on the next reboot?
[23:19] <limbo_> I'd change it manually, but I don't want my swap to be called swap2 or something like that.
[23:20] <minimec> limbo_: Create a bigger swap file and change the swap path in /etc/fstab.
[23:20] <chull> pavlos, when i click the file cabinet looking icon, it shows the dfc file.
[23:21] <chull> the question is where to click?
[23:21] <pavlos> chull, lets start from the basic ubuntu screeen
[23:21] <pavlos> the cabinet is usually 2nd icon from the top
[23:21] <chull> hubby has cairo-dock
[23:22] <chull> orange ball with two white and orange 'eyes' is 2nd from the top
[23:22] <pavlos> well, can someone else help ... I dont have this dock
[23:23] <chull> the file cabinet is 9th from the top
[23:23] <pavlos> ok, clickit
[23:23] <pavlos> create a dfc folder
[23:23] <pavlos> drag a few pics in there
[23:24] <chull> ok we did that
[23:24] <pavlos> right click on dfc should give you a Compress ... option
[23:26] <chull> pavlos, im sorry we have clicked all over it, even the top bar. which part of it are you saying to click on please?
[23:26] <pavlos> limbo_: you need to swapoff, change the size (maybe using dd), update fstab, and swaapon
[23:26] <pavlos> chull: you have the File Manager open, you see various folders, one of them is dfc and contains some pics
[23:27] <pavlos> chull: id you right click on dfc, you can a submenu, one option is compress ...
[23:27] <chull> pavlos, hmm looking
[23:28] <chull> pavlos ive disappeared all the other things.. he got them back, but so far nothing says compress or zip?
[23:30] <pavlos> chull: when you right click on a folder, do you get a submenu?
[23:31] <pavlos> chull: are your running ubunt u16.04 or something else?
[23:31] <chull> pavlos, it is ubuntu 16.04. we just aren't speaking the same language sort of. I don't know Ubuntu-ese and hubby can't talk.
[23:32] <pavlos> chull: you started File Maanger, you see folders, right?
[23:32] <chull> pavlos, depending where in the box that has the files i click yes there are different submenus
[23:32] <pavlos> chull: if you right click on a fl=older, is the a submenu (a context menu)
[23:33] <chull> (i learned on command line debian. i dont know from guis.. hubby is a windows guy. arrgh.
[23:34] <pavlos> chull: even in windows, we do the same things ... right click on a folder, zip or compress
[23:34] <pavlos> chull: if you do not see a menu after right click, ...
[23:35] <chull> pavlos, uh huh, but i'm still asking if i click the frame or inside the white space of the box or where?
[23:35] <pavlos> chull: your folders should be Documetns, Downloads, Pictures, and dfc
[23:35] <pavlos> chull: move the mouse on top of dfc and right click
[23:35] <chull> pavlos, yes ok there.. still nothing says zip or compress NOW i know where you're talking
[23:36] <pavlos> chull: no submenu?
[23:36] <chull> pavlos, yes there are submenus but not what you said?
[23:37] <pavlos> chull: I've got about 17 option in that submenu, open, open with ... and later I have compress, the last being properties
[23:37] <chull> pavlos, when i click on dfc it raises the box with the files in
[23:37] <chull> pavlos, do i need to close it first?
[23:38] <pavlos> chull: I will like for File Maanger to run on its own window
[23:38] <chull> pavlos, what?
[23:38] <pavlos> chull: seems cairo dock has icons on the bottom, one is File Maanger
[23:39] <pavlos> chull: if you click that , the File Maanger appshould open up and run in its own window, right?
[23:41] <chull> pavlos, we are completely lost about file manager. there appears to be something to download called 'file manager' its free it says?
[23:41] <pavlos> chull: is that how it looks? http://www.webupd8.org/2012/04/cairo-dock-30-released-with-gtk3.html
[23:43] <pavlos> chull: I have the basic ubuntu 16.04 desktop so visually it is difficult to guide you with cairo-dock
[23:45] <chull> pavlos, i suspect that cairo-dock is one of those things that people customize. his has icons on both sides, not at the bottom
[23:45] <glitsj16> chull: if you want to share files with someone on the same network, it might be a lot easier to use an app like nitroshare (https://nitroshare.net/), which is cross-platform
[23:45] <chull> ( see why i like terminals? 1 place to type everythng)
[23:46] <chull> glitsj16, nope. need to upload compressed files to nasty agency before midnight eastern.
[23:47] <pavlos> chull: from command line be in your home dir, cd ~
[23:47] <pavlos> chull: ls should list dfc folder
[23:47] <glitsj16> chull: I see, no dropbox or the likes to exchange those files?
[23:48] <pavlos> chull: zip myzipfile.zip dfc/*
[23:48] <chull> pavlos, he's got layers of directories
[23:48] <chull> maybe i can navigate to it in about a week. maybe.
[23:49] <chull> pavlos/ glitsj16 he showed me a main file folder finally
[23:49] <pavlos> chull: even if dfc has dirs, zip with zip everything from dfc and down
[23:49] <chull> lemee see if clicking somewhere on it gives me 'zip'
[23:50] <pavlos> chull: I used command line
[23:50] <pavlos> chull: zip should be installed in your system
[23:59] <chull> pavlos, he does have zip. i checked with command line.