[05:20] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:39] <mr-jules> good morning bud
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> hi mr-jules
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> updated 17.10 but no sign of a dock yet
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> https://www.itnews.com.au/news/microsoft-patches-first-critical-linux-on-windows-bug-470426
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> lol
[10:13] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:14] <ducasse> \o BluesKaj
[10:14] <ducasse> wow, on my artful machine: "138 packages can be upgraded." - it was last upgraded yesterday :)
[10:14] <BluesKaj> o/ ducasse
[10:15] <BluesKaj> yeah, new kernel version too
[10:15] <ducasse> and g++
[10:17] <BluesKaj> 84 packages upgraded here, but I don't have the PIMs or the office suite
[10:18] <brunch> ubuntu rollin' when :)
[10:19] <BluesKaj> brunch, we're talking about Artful 17.10
[10:20] <brunch> I gave it a go, it was beautiful
[10:20] <ducasse> i don't have any office stuff either, not even a de.
[10:26] <BluesKaj> ducasse, using a  wm
[10:30] <ducasse> BluesKaj: yes, same here
[10:31] <BluesKaj> no I use kde/plasma, was asking if you use a wm :-)
[10:31] <BluesKaj> I forgot the ?
[10:32] <BluesKaj> i3?
[10:33] <ducasse> i3, yes. i find it works well both on my 3-monitor desktop and this laptop with small screen.
[10:33]  * BluesKaj nods
[10:34] <ducasse> the multihead handling is really good, treating each screen completely independently
[10:35] <BluesKaj> why 3 monitors if you use a wm?
[10:36] <ducasse> because you can't see several virtual desktops simultaneously on one screen
[10:38] <BluesKaj> assume this 3 monitor setup is for work then
[10:40] <ducasse> part work, part hobby
[10:42] <ducasse> BluesKaj: how's your weather today? the rain and thunder has finally passed here, it seems
[10:42] <BluesKaj> I use VDs but I have them pinned to separate apps, and one extra for miscellaneous on my TV
[10:43] <BluesKaj> all on my TV that is
[10:44] <BluesKaj> yerah, we have a simi iar forecast  for the next few days
[10:46] <lordievader> I got too used to the KDE/plasma way of doing multiple displays, don't like the way I3 does things in this department.
[10:47] <BluesKaj> I tried the i3 on my laptop, it was interesting for a while , but I still prefer a DE
[10:48] <ducasse> thankfully i3 has already been 'ported' to wayland :-p
[10:48] <lordievader> I rather like the tiling stuff, but I never could get it just right.
[10:48] <BluesKaj> <---old windows guy , so i'm used to a DE
[10:48] <lordievader> ducasse: Oeh, are you doing wayland?
[10:49] <ducasse> only played with it so far, it's still missing stuff
[10:53] <BluesKaj> tried fedora 26 with wayland ahd gnome, smooth and fast , but it's gnome :/
[10:53] <BluesKaj> ahd = and
[10:54] <brunch> I'm on f26 right now
[10:54] <brunch> gnome is pretty neat, but there's some forced vsync stuff going on
[10:54] <BluesKaj> kde/plasma runs poorly on wayland apparently
[10:55] <brunch> so games run like crap unless they're in fullscreen
[10:55] <brunch> which is a bummer since I always play windows
[10:57] <lordievader> ducasse: No dpi (or scaling) issues?
[10:57] <lordievader> Last time I tried Plasma on Wayland everything was huge! So I figured, but we have xrandr.... oh wait.
[11:02] <ducasse> none that i've seen so far, but i'm also worried about  the lack of tools like xrandr.
[12:34] <oerheks> seriously, how hard can it be, gparted/ changing partitions, graphically
[12:39] <lordievader> oerheks: What do you mean?
[12:39] <oerheks> he is dragging the partition size just the wrong way, over and over again
[12:40] <oerheks> i am not sure how to clear this up
[12:43] <BluesKaj> delete the partition then choose new
[12:44] <oerheks> :-D
[12:44] <BluesKaj> unless there's data he wants to save
[12:47] <oerheks> He has got it now..
[12:54] <ducasse> oerheks: it took a lot of effort, though :)
[12:55] <oerheks> Yeah, sometimes it is hard to find a way to make it clear, i thought i explained well ..
[12:56] <oerheks> WHen you have done this once, it is easy, i know
[12:56] <oerheks> now wait and let him reinstall grub
[12:57]  * ducasse grabs a 10-foot pole
[14:40] <ducasse> nacc: he's just trying to run a toshiba tool from a live usb, no need for gksu i think. note: it's taken him two hours to put 'sudo ' in front of his command, and he still can't do it.
[14:42] <nacc> ducasse: ah ha
[14:42] <nacc> ducasse: thanks for the context (just waking up here)
[15:05]  * ducasse looks forward to the day realtek is prevented from making wifi chipsets due to repeated incompetence
[15:18] <oerheks> mayb i should not have given the ppa, but then again, he would need to rebuild the driver with any kernelupdeet
[15:20] <ducasse> ppa is probably easier, but lets see if the driver even works :)
[16:44] <ducasse> cool, did not know ubuntu now had a refind package... i need to try this.
[16:45] <oerheks> ducasse, did you stumble across this ? https://gist.github.com/Brainiarc7/dfff8321b94fd666eb64eda0382f6813
[16:47] <ducasse> oerheks: nope, thanks!
[16:47] <ducasse> looks interesting...
[16:47] <oerheks> I have seen this beiing used a few weeks back, but with troubles.
[16:47] <oerheks> not sure it still is troubling..
[16:48] <oerheks> WHere did you find your info?
[16:51] <ducasse> hihi, see those horrid incantations for setting up secure boot keys etc :)
[16:51] <ducasse> oh, someone just mentioned trying refind in #ubuntu, and i noticed there is now a package in the repos
[16:52] <oerheks> oh indeed, time to drop this from my bookmarks
[16:54] <ducasse> only zesty, though
[16:55] <oerheks> good enough
[16:55] <oerheks> King Willie https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/royal-announcement-william-kate-officially-021200634.html
[17:01] <nicomachus> moving chromium/chrome discussion here.
[17:01] <nicomachus> BluesKaj: I just like the blue icon. :D
[19:23] <BluesKaj> ducasse, fradeco uses kde/plasma, he was asking in kubuntu earlier
[19:24] <ducasse> BluesKaj: ah, unknown territory to me then
[19:26] <BluesKaj> ducasse, unless he thinks it's a 'buntu thing
[19:26] <BluesKaj> ask anywhere 'buntu for answrers
[19:27] <BluesKaj> ducasse, now he tells me he runs gnome
[19:27] <ducasse> suspicious
[19:30] <BluesKaj> he's new to irc apparently
[19:34] <ducasse> echo XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP, should tell you the desktop