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brobostigonmorning boys and girls.08:01
davmor2Morning all08:05
brobostigonmorning davmor208:10
awilkinsAnyone use rmtoo?10:40
diploNope, never seen it before10:45
awilkinsConstantly wanting requirements management that works well for me. Keep wanting to do something with graphviz ; this seems to have the concept of directed graphs in it10:47
awilkinsBut it's a Hard Mode tool it seems, it's a bugger to even set up and get working10:47
diploIs this to setup enviroments for dev etc from my quick read over it ?10:47
awilkinsIt uses `make` to generate outputs...10:48
diploJust got to that bit, not something we'd need I guess so can't see the use of it, albeit our software devs are writing ancient code :)10:49
awilkinsAnd you need to set up a bunch of things including TeX10:50
diploI tried TeX once, that was an experience10:50
awilkinsI have grandiose ideas about big systems and I need a tool to manage the dependency graph so I know what to work on ...10:50
awilkinsOr at least have something to present10:51
diploI'd love to be in that position, I just think our company will never get there before we go bust10:51
awilkinsWowzer, TeX is 39 years old10:52
awilkinsOnly 9 releases in all that time10:53
awilkinsWell, since v310:55
awilkinsThen you have XeTeX, which supports unicode10:58
diplohah - well stable and does what is says on the tin I guess11:03
diddledanhow does a default route without a gateway ip address assigned work? (I've seen cases where it is configured like that and works fine, but most of the time configs require a gateway ip)11:35
diploSo no gateway= set in interfaces/ifcfg-eth0 type thing11:36
diploOn RH based systems you also have /etc/sysconfig/network that has a default route.11:37
diddledanbasically just `ip route add default dev eth0`11:37
diploAnd when you do ip route it displays 0.0.0.0 ?11:37
diddledanthere is no ip assigned at all11:37
diddledanthe destination address is 0.0.0.0 though, yes11:38
diddledandestination 0.0.0.0, no gateway, dev eth011:39
diddledanI need to configure one to find out what it outputs on the route command 'cos I can't remember off the top of my head11:39
diploSo shouldn't work externally, we have this happen at our sites, it'll still route on the same subnet just not go out over the internet11:39
diddledanbut it does work, that's the point11:40
diddledanI've seen it work11:40
diddledanso I want to know WHY it worked in those cases when usually it shouldn't11:40
diploThen I have no idea, ours never do, we've had sites drop their gateway - bug in Cent6 and it does the above, never seen yours work like that, then again, if it works I may not have seen it :)11:41
zmoylan-pithe data must flow.... :-)11:42
diddledanWORMSIGN!11:42
zmoylan-pi*thump* *thump* *thump*11:42
diddledanmaud dib will save us!11:43
zmoylan-pihe who controls the data controls the universe11:45
diddledanhe who controls the universe is quite spicey!11:50
davmor2Do we have Wormsign......Maud dib, we have Wormsign the likes that God has never seen11:52
davmor2now I have to watch Dune again what a hard ship11:53
zmoylan-pithe movie or the tv mini series?11:53
zmoylan-pithe movie is incredibly beautiful but unfaithful to the books, the mini series is better but lacks the visual punch of lynchs movie11:54
OliIt's also pretty tedious to have somebody just reading 10 minutes of lore at your. It's more like a narrated play.12:39
zmoylan-piin the beginning there was the server and it was good...12:40
diddledanand the server was in the darkness, and needed to see, so it spun up the hard disk array and all the blinken flashen12:42
zmoylan-piand lo did the os boot12:44
diddledanand then the server created process 1 but felt it was lonely so it forked a second process out of the first12:45
zmoylan-piand adobe flash decided to update...12:45
diddledanand thus began armagedden12:46
zmoylan-pithus spake zombieos12:46
diddledanI'd hate to see a flash process turn into a zombie12:48
zmoylan-piand there was much disk trashing12:51
zmoylan-piand yea did the uesr fire up chrome to find a solution...12:52
diddledanand google advertised12:52
diddledanI really need to set up static dns entries for some of my boxes - I have no idea what IP they're using and want to ssh into them to update them12:54
awilkinsMy router has a DNS server that works for the DHCP leases it assigns... but not from the router itself *arrrg*12:57
foobarrydid i miss the bit where p0p3y quit hanging out here?13:02
foobarryhaven't seen him for long time13:03
zmoylan-pii use nmap to find them when they shift ip after a reboot. it means i constantly find new stuff people are adding to the network :-)13:18
m0nkey_Watch out, m0nkey_ is about!13:20
zmoylan-pim0nkey_ magic, m0nkey_ magic ::theme tune::13:20
diplofoobarry: he was in here the other day, I pinged him specifically mind :) he's active on Telegram podcast channel too13:23
foobarryits official, irc is dying13:27
foobarrydieing13:27
foobarrywhatever13:27
zmoylan-piit's august slowdown as people go on holliers and those left have to cover for those off13:28
diploNah, it's been dead in here forever13:32
diploSame peeps all the time really13:32
=== zmoylan-pi is now known as fake_tache
fake_tachereally?13:33
diplo77 nicks and a fair few of those are dups / bots probably only 10 of us who actually talk actively ish13:33
=== fake_tache is now known as zmoylan-pi
awilkinsIn the worlds before m0nkey_, primal chaos reigned.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS_5BORSayc13:39
diploI prefer fake_tache zmoylan-pi :)13:56
diddledandoo be doo16:11
diddledanalternatively: don't be don't16:11
diddledanwhat the actual?! https://twitter.com/chordbug/status/89567909647008563216:12
* Laney makes some noise16:24
LaneyI used to be in a really active IRC channel when I was a teenager, then over a few months it completely died16:25
Laneya few people stopped coming on when they went to university or similar, then it snowballed from there16:26
LaneySAD!16:26
diddledanaye, I've had a couple situations over the years where a community just died16:26
diddledanlast major one was ircqnet #computers channel (the whole of the network is gone now)16:27
diddledanI was in that channel for over a decade before it went south16:27
diddledanmany folk came and went in that time16:27
knightwiseEvenin peeps18:17
brobostigonevening knightwise18:20
knightwisehey brobostigon how are you doing dude18:21
brobostigonknightwise: yes not bad, and you?18:22
knightwisedoing ok , rearranging the home office to see if we can make a little more room for an extra trainee we will be having over18:22
brobostigoni know that feeling, rearraging out my study to make space for a possible nursery.18:24
knightwiseaha :) little jedy on the way too ?18:24
brobostigonyes, :)18:25
knightwisecongratulations dude18:26
brobostigonty, :)18:26
brobostigonknightwise: issue here is, my kate is bipolar and with the medications she has for it, we just need to hope, because her meds can cause a malforme baby.18:27
knightwiseman ... thats bad.. We are rootin for ya18:35
brobostigonknightwise: thank you. greatly appreciated.18:40
knightwiseoff to the couch18:44
knightwisegot an episode of Hinterland I want to catch up on18:44
knightwisethen beeeed  ! its been a VERY long week18:44
brobostigon:)18:46
diddledanI like the quote on the end of this article from another security guy: "If you're going to start a rebellion amongst all your red-teamers, don't do it at Defcon." http://www.zdnet.com/article/salesforce-fires-red-team-staffers-who-gave-defcon-talk/23:26

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