[08:01] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:10] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[10:40] <awilkins> Anyone use rmtoo?
[10:45] <diplo> Nope, never seen it before
[10:47] <awilkins> Constantly wanting requirements management that works well for me. Keep wanting to do something with graphviz ; this seems to have the concept of directed graphs in it
[10:47] <awilkins> But it's a Hard Mode tool it seems, it's a bugger to even set up and get working
[10:47] <diplo> Is this to setup enviroments for dev etc from my quick read over it ?
[10:48] <awilkins> It uses `make` to generate outputs...
[10:49] <diplo> Just got to that bit, not something we'd need I guess so can't see the use of it, albeit our software devs are writing ancient code :)
[10:50] <awilkins> And you need to set up a bunch of things including TeX
[10:50] <diplo> I tried TeX once, that was an experience
[10:50] <awilkins> I have grandiose ideas about big systems and I need a tool to manage the dependency graph so I know what to work on ...
[10:51] <awilkins> Or at least have something to present
[10:51] <diplo> I'd love to be in that position, I just think our company will never get there before we go bust
[10:52] <awilkins> Wowzer, TeX is 39 years old
[10:53] <awilkins> Only 9 releases in all that time
[10:55] <awilkins> Well, since v3
[10:58] <awilkins> Then you have XeTeX, which supports unicode
[11:03] <diplo> hah - well stable and does what is says on the tin I guess
[11:35] <diddledan> how does a default route without a gateway ip address assigned work? (I've seen cases where it is configured like that and works fine, but most of the time configs require a gateway ip)
[11:36] <diplo> So no gateway= set in interfaces/ifcfg-eth0 type thing
[11:37] <diplo> On RH based systems you also have /etc/sysconfig/network that has a default route.
[11:37] <diddledan> basically just `ip route add default dev eth0`
[11:37] <diplo> And when you do ip route it displays 0.0.0.0 ?
[11:37] <diddledan> there is no ip assigned at all
[11:38] <diddledan> the destination address is 0.0.0.0 though, yes
[11:39] <diddledan> destination 0.0.0.0, no gateway, dev eth0
[11:39] <diddledan> I need to configure one to find out what it outputs on the route command 'cos I can't remember off the top of my head
[11:39] <diplo> So shouldn't work externally, we have this happen at our sites, it'll still route on the same subnet just not go out over the internet
[11:40] <diddledan> but it does work, that's the point
[11:40] <diddledan> I've seen it work
[11:40] <diddledan> so I want to know WHY it worked in those cases when usually it shouldn't
[11:41] <diplo> Then I have no idea, ours never do, we've had sites drop their gateway - bug in Cent6 and it does the above, never seen yours work like that, then again, if it works I may not have seen it :)
[11:42] <zmoylan-pi> the data must flow.... :-)
[11:42] <diddledan> WORMSIGN!
[11:42] <zmoylan-pi> *thump* *thump* *thump*
[11:43] <diddledan> maud dib will save us!
[11:45] <zmoylan-pi> he who controls the data controls the universe
[11:50] <diddledan> he who controls the universe is quite spicey!
[11:52] <davmor2> Do we have Wormsign......Maud dib, we have Wormsign the likes that God has never seen
[11:53] <davmor2> now I have to watch Dune again what a hard ship
[11:53] <zmoylan-pi> the movie or the tv mini series?
[11:54] <zmoylan-pi> the movie is incredibly beautiful but unfaithful to the books, the mini series is better but lacks the visual punch of lynchs movie
[12:39] <Oli> It's also pretty tedious to have somebody just reading 10 minutes of lore at your. It's more like a narrated play.
[12:40] <zmoylan-pi> in the beginning there was the server and it was good...
[12:42] <diddledan> and the server was in the darkness, and needed to see, so it spun up the hard disk array and all the blinken flashen
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> and lo did the os boot
[12:45] <diddledan> and then the server created process 1 but felt it was lonely so it forked a second process out of the first
[12:45] <zmoylan-pi> and adobe flash decided to update...
[12:46] <diddledan> and thus began armagedden
[12:46] <zmoylan-pi> thus spake zombieos
[12:48] <diddledan> I'd hate to see a flash process turn into a zombie
[12:51] <zmoylan-pi> and there was much disk trashing
[12:52] <zmoylan-pi> and yea did the uesr fire up chrome to find a solution...
[12:52] <diddledan> and google advertised
[12:54] <diddledan> I really need to set up static dns entries for some of my boxes - I have no idea what IP they're using and want to ssh into them to update them
[12:57] <awilkins> My router has a DNS server that works for the DHCP leases it assigns... but not from the router itself *arrrg*
[13:02] <foobarry> did i miss the bit where p0p3y quit hanging out here?
[13:03] <foobarry> haven't seen him for long time
[13:18] <zmoylan-pi> i use nmap to find them when they shift ip after a reboot. it means i constantly find new stuff people are adding to the network :-)
[13:20] <m0nkey_> Watch out, m0nkey_ is about!
[13:20] <zmoylan-pi> m0nkey_ magic, m0nkey_ magic ::theme tune::
[13:23] <diplo> foobarry: he was in here the other day, I pinged him specifically mind :) he's active on Telegram podcast channel too
[13:27] <foobarry> its official, irc is dying
[13:27] <foobarry> dieing
[13:27] <foobarry> whatever
[13:28] <zmoylan-pi> it's august slowdown as people go on holliers and those left have to cover for those off
[13:32] <diplo> Nah, it's been dead in here forever
[13:32] <diplo> Same peeps all the time really
[13:33] <fake_tache> really?
[13:33] <diplo> 77 nicks and a fair few of those are dups / bots probably only 10 of us who actually talk actively ish
[13:39] <awilkins> In the worlds before m0nkey_, primal chaos reigned.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS_5BORSayc
[13:56] <diplo> I prefer fake_tache zmoylan-pi :)
[16:11] <diddledan> doo be doo
[16:11] <diddledan> alternatively: don't be don't
[16:12] <diddledan> what the actual?! https://twitter.com/chordbug/status/895679096470085632
[16:24]  * Laney makes some noise
[16:25] <Laney> I used to be in a really active IRC channel when I was a teenager, then over a few months it completely died
[16:26] <Laney> a few people stopped coming on when they went to university or similar, then it snowballed from there
[16:26] <Laney> SAD!
[16:26] <diddledan> aye, I've had a couple situations over the years where a community just died
[16:27] <diddledan> last major one was ircqnet #computers channel (the whole of the network is gone now)
[16:27] <diddledan> I was in that channel for over a decade before it went south
[16:27] <diddledan> many folk came and went in that time
[18:17] <knightwise> Evenin peeps
[18:20] <brobostigon> evening knightwise
[18:21] <knightwise> hey brobostigon how are you doing dude
[18:22] <brobostigon> knightwise: yes not bad, and you?
[18:22] <knightwise> doing ok , rearranging the home office to see if we can make a little more room for an extra trainee we will be having over
[18:24] <brobostigon> i know that feeling, rearraging out my study to make space for a possible nursery.
[18:24] <knightwise> aha :) little jedy on the way too ?
[18:25] <brobostigon> yes, :)
[18:26] <knightwise> congratulations dude
[18:26] <brobostigon> ty, :)
[18:27] <brobostigon> knightwise: issue here is, my kate is bipolar and with the medications she has for it, we just need to hope, because her meds can cause a malforme baby.
[18:35] <knightwise> man ... thats bad.. We are rootin for ya
[18:40] <brobostigon> knightwise: thank you. greatly appreciated.
[18:44] <knightwise> off to the couch
[18:44] <knightwise> got an episode of Hinterland I want to catch up on
[18:44] <knightwise> then beeeed  ! its been a VERY long week
[18:46] <brobostigon> :)
[23:26] <diddledan> I like the quote on the end of this article from another security guy: "If you're going to start a rebellion amongst all your red-teamers, don't do it at Defcon." http://www.zdnet.com/article/salesforce-fires-red-team-staffers-who-gave-defcon-talk/