[08:01] morning boys and girls. [08:05] Morning all [08:10] morning davmor2 [10:40] Anyone use rmtoo? [10:45] Nope, never seen it before [10:47] Constantly wanting requirements management that works well for me. Keep wanting to do something with graphviz ; this seems to have the concept of directed graphs in it [10:47] But it's a Hard Mode tool it seems, it's a bugger to even set up and get working [10:47] Is this to setup enviroments for dev etc from my quick read over it ? [10:48] It uses `make` to generate outputs... [10:49] Just got to that bit, not something we'd need I guess so can't see the use of it, albeit our software devs are writing ancient code :) [10:50] And you need to set up a bunch of things including TeX [10:50] I tried TeX once, that was an experience [10:50] I have grandiose ideas about big systems and I need a tool to manage the dependency graph so I know what to work on ... [10:51] Or at least have something to present [10:51] I'd love to be in that position, I just think our company will never get there before we go bust [10:52] Wowzer, TeX is 39 years old [10:53] Only 9 releases in all that time [10:55] Well, since v3 [10:58] Then you have XeTeX, which supports unicode [11:03] hah - well stable and does what is says on the tin I guess [11:35] how does a default route without a gateway ip address assigned work? (I've seen cases where it is configured like that and works fine, but most of the time configs require a gateway ip) [11:36] So no gateway= set in interfaces/ifcfg-eth0 type thing [11:37] On RH based systems you also have /etc/sysconfig/network that has a default route. [11:37] basically just `ip route add default dev eth0` [11:37] And when you do ip route it displays 0.0.0.0 ? [11:37] there is no ip assigned at all [11:38] the destination address is 0.0.0.0 though, yes [11:39] destination 0.0.0.0, no gateway, dev eth0 [11:39] I need to configure one to find out what it outputs on the route command 'cos I can't remember off the top of my head [11:39] So shouldn't work externally, we have this happen at our sites, it'll still route on the same subnet just not go out over the internet [11:40] but it does work, that's the point [11:40] I've seen it work [11:40] so I want to know WHY it worked in those cases when usually it shouldn't [11:41] Then I have no idea, ours never do, we've had sites drop their gateway - bug in Cent6 and it does the above, never seen yours work like that, then again, if it works I may not have seen it :) [11:42] the data must flow.... :-) [11:42] WORMSIGN! [11:42] *thump* *thump* *thump* [11:43] maud dib will save us! [11:45] he who controls the data controls the universe [11:50] he who controls the universe is quite spicey! [11:52] Do we have Wormsign......Maud dib, we have Wormsign the likes that God has never seen [11:53] now I have to watch Dune again what a hard ship [11:53] the movie or the tv mini series? [11:54] the movie is incredibly beautiful but unfaithful to the books, the mini series is better but lacks the visual punch of lynchs movie [12:39] It's also pretty tedious to have somebody just reading 10 minutes of lore at your. It's more like a narrated play. [12:40] in the beginning there was the server and it was good... [12:42] and the server was in the darkness, and needed to see, so it spun up the hard disk array and all the blinken flashen [12:44] and lo did the os boot [12:45] and then the server created process 1 but felt it was lonely so it forked a second process out of the first [12:45] and adobe flash decided to update... [12:46] and thus began armagedden [12:46] thus spake zombieos [12:48] I'd hate to see a flash process turn into a zombie [12:51] and there was much disk trashing [12:52] and yea did the uesr fire up chrome to find a solution... [12:52] and google advertised [12:54] I really need to set up static dns entries for some of my boxes - I have no idea what IP they're using and want to ssh into them to update them [12:57] My router has a DNS server that works for the DHCP leases it assigns... but not from the router itself *arrrg* [13:02] did i miss the bit where p0p3y quit hanging out here? [13:03] haven't seen him for long time [13:18] i use nmap to find them when they shift ip after a reboot. it means i constantly find new stuff people are adding to the network :-) [13:20] Watch out, m0nkey_ is about! [13:20] m0nkey_ magic, m0nkey_ magic ::theme tune:: [13:23] foobarry: he was in here the other day, I pinged him specifically mind :) he's active on Telegram podcast channel too [13:27] its official, irc is dying [13:27] dieing [13:27] whatever [13:28] it's august slowdown as people go on holliers and those left have to cover for those off [13:32] Nah, it's been dead in here forever [13:32] Same peeps all the time really === zmoylan-pi is now known as fake_tache [13:33] really? [13:33] 77 nicks and a fair few of those are dups / bots probably only 10 of us who actually talk actively ish === fake_tache is now known as zmoylan-pi [13:39] In the worlds before m0nkey_, primal chaos reigned.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS_5BORSayc [13:56] I prefer fake_tache zmoylan-pi :) [16:11] doo be doo [16:11] alternatively: don't be don't [16:12] what the actual?! https://twitter.com/chordbug/status/895679096470085632 [16:24] * Laney makes some noise [16:25] I used to be in a really active IRC channel when I was a teenager, then over a few months it completely died [16:26] a few people stopped coming on when they went to university or similar, then it snowballed from there [16:26] SAD! [16:26] aye, I've had a couple situations over the years where a community just died [16:27] last major one was ircqnet #computers channel (the whole of the network is gone now) [16:27] I was in that channel for over a decade before it went south [16:27] many folk came and went in that time [18:17] Evenin peeps [18:20] evening knightwise [18:21] hey brobostigon how are you doing dude [18:22] knightwise: yes not bad, and you? [18:22] doing ok , rearranging the home office to see if we can make a little more room for an extra trainee we will be having over [18:24] i know that feeling, rearraging out my study to make space for a possible nursery. [18:24] aha :) little jedy on the way too ? [18:25] yes, :) [18:26] congratulations dude [18:26] ty, :) [18:27] knightwise: issue here is, my kate is bipolar and with the medications she has for it, we just need to hope, because her meds can cause a malforme baby. [18:35] man ... thats bad.. We are rootin for ya [18:40] knightwise: thank you. greatly appreciated. [18:44] off to the couch [18:44] got an episode of Hinterland I want to catch up on [18:44] then beeeed ! its been a VERY long week [18:46] :) [23:26] I like the quote on the end of this article from another security guy: "If you're going to start a rebellion amongst all your red-teamers, don't do it at Defcon." http://www.zdnet.com/article/salesforce-fires-red-team-staffers-who-gave-defcon-talk/