[06:40] <inetpro_> goeiemore
[08:33] <Langjan> Good day all
[08:37] <Kilos> guten morgen
[08:38] <Langjan> How is my friend Kilos keeping?
[08:38] <Kilos> not too bad ty Langjan and you?
[08:39] <Langjan> Fine thanks Kilos - whats ailing you? 
[08:40] <Kilos> why?
[08:40] <Kilos> our hospitals are ailing me
[08:40] <Langjan> Well, not too bad must mean mildly bad?
[08:40] <Kilos> the ausie docs wanted to bypass last year already
[08:41] <Kilos> here i just get more meds to keep me alive haha
[08:41] <Langjan> Perhaps hoping they will kill you and leave one less white man...
[08:58] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:59] <Kilos> one of the pills is for making attacks non fatal
[09:10] <Langjan> Who is the Libre Office expert among us? 
[09:42] <Kilos> lol
[09:42] <Kilos> superfly
[09:42] <Kilos> there must be more but fly helped me when i sukkeled
[09:48] <Langjan> Thks Kilos I somehow managed to sort the problem out meanwhile
[09:48] <Kilos> slim jan
[09:49] <Langjan> sukkel-tot-ek-regkom Jan
[09:54] <Kilos> lol
[09:54] <Kilos> mooi so oom dit werk ook
[09:55] <Langjan> Ja partykeer. Ander kere is ek bly vir 'n slim vriend soos Kilos 
[10:00] <Kilos> ai! nee man ek ken slimmes
[10:02] <Langjan> Jy is te beskeie my vriend. Jy is wat jy is, wees dankbaar daarvoor en leef daarvolgens! 
[12:02] <inetpro_> Kilos: Jy is wat jy is... :-)
[12:02] <inetpro_> ai!
[12:02] <inetpro_> goeiedag ooms Langjan en Kilos
[12:09] <Kilos> lol
[12:28] <Langjan> Ditsem inetpro, mooi loop. 
[13:56] <pavlushka> ahoy ZA
[14:42] <Langjan> Ahoy pavlushka 
[14:43] <pavlushka> Hello Langjan :)
[14:46] <paddatrapper> Morning everyone
[14:48] <Langjan> Hello paddatrapper, on which side of the world are you located? Morning from NZ/Oz 12 Aug or from Americas 11 Aug?  
[14:50] <paddatrapper> Langjan: Canada, so morning of 11 Aug
[14:51]  * paddatrapper is dreading the long flight home tomorrow...
[15:28] <Langjan> Travel safe paddatrapper 
[15:29] <paddatrapper> Langjan: thanks 
[15:31] <Langjan> Canadian summer! Work, family or holiday? 
[15:44] <pavlushka> Morning paddatrapper 
[15:44] <paddatrapper> Debconf so somewhat work and some holiday
[15:45] <pavlushka> paddatrapper: its good to be home isn't it?
[15:46] <Langjan> Well Spring is in the air in the sunny North of SA 
[15:46] <paddatrapper> pavlushka: I'm not home yet, but when I eventually do get there on Monday - yes it will be
[15:46] <paddatrapper> Cape Town is raining cats and dogs as far as I can tell (or was earlier)
[15:46] <pavlushka> paddatrapper: ah, I meant that :p
[15:47] <Langjan> Well they need much rain to survive the summer...hope it keeps coming
[15:47] <paddatrapper> this is very true...
[17:21] <Langjan> Look what I stumbled upon: https://freedompenguin.com/articles/opinion/ubuntu-mate-16-04-redefines-linux-desktops/
[17:22] <Langjan> Been using it in my lappie and installed it for a friend, very impressed!
[18:03] <Langjan> Is my slim vriend nog wakker? Kilos  
[19:17] <Kilos> just came to say night all. sleep tight
[19:30] <captine> evening all
[20:18] <squish102> Anyone know software that could manage a debian install. push patches or make small configuration changes?
[20:19] <squish102> like change a desktop icon to point to a different url
[20:19] <squish102> i have 8000 machines to manage with the software
[20:20] <squish102> not looking at puppet enterprise because they want $120/year per machine
[20:21] <squish102> doesn't make sense to spend R12 mil a year to manage the machines
[20:33] <paddatrapper> squish102: ansible?
[20:33] <paddatrapper> puppet does have a non-enterprise edition, but I don't know what it entails as I have never used it
[20:34] <superfly> o/
[20:34] <paddatrapper> hi superfly 
[20:35] <superfly> how's DebConf going, paddatrapper?
[20:35] <paddatrapper> superfly: great fun! Lots of interesting talks
[20:35] <paddatrapper> Fly out tomorrow...
[20:36] <superfly> So sad I couldn't make it :-(
[20:37] <paddatrapper> yeah... I won't be able to make next year and I'm already sad about it
[20:53] <squish102> paddatrapper: i will look at ansible thx. not sure if anyone here has experience with either ansible or puppet that could tell me how difficult or easy it is
[20:56] <paddatrapper> squish102: I've used ansible quite extensively. It's based on yaml files and ssh. You define roles and then assign hosts or groups to those roles 
[23:06] <squish102> paddatrapper: i will have raspberry pi's that have an rdp client and chromium brower installed
[23:06] <squish102> all i need to do is patch management and some updates once a year to them.
[23:06] <squish102> ansible a good enough solution?
[23:07] <squish102> and the free version work with 8000 pi's all the same
[23:08] <paddatrapper> squish102: yeah sounds fine for that. Ansible is open source and has no limits. The only thing you can buy from Red Hat is the use of their cloud setup to manage everything from the Web 
[23:08] <squish102> ok thanks, i will look into ansible
[23:09] <paddatrapper> squish102: how about unattended-upgrades for the updates? Runs once a week or so and installs updates. Configurable around which updates and warnings, news, etc 
[23:09] <squish102> have zero people to support it once it is rolled out, so i hope it does not take lots of care and feeding
[23:10] <squish102> have to stagger updates because they all remote stores and the network would just break if they all tried to get updates at same time
[23:10] <paddatrapper> It randomises when (and that's configurable IIRC) 
[23:11] <paddatrapper> You can run ansible from your laptop, so as long as you have ssh access to the machines, you're good
[23:14] <squish102> so paddatrapper, replacing a desktop icon with a new one, or changing a firewall rule, or stopping an unnecessary service on debian
[23:14] <squish102> would it have any problem doing that kind of thing?
[23:21] <paddatrapper> squish102: copy, iptables, service are the three task names needed there 
[23:21] <paddatrapper> If you want a reference my configs live in: https://gitlab.com/paddatrapper 
[23:22] <paddatrapper> https://gitlab.com/paddatrapper/ansible 
[23:24] <squish102> Thanks paddatrapper , will check it out