[00:24] <jjain> Hey guys does anyone have some help with rEFInd setup, my installation doesn
[00:25] <jjain> 't seem to find the Ubuntu
[00:25] <jjain> Sorry for the 2 messages :\
[00:30] <aloo_shu> not sure I can fully help
[00:30] <aloo_shu> jjain, did you install from DVD
[00:37] <jjain> was someone helping me?
[00:37] <jjain> I dced
[00:37] <jjain> sorry
[00:37] <jjain> I have the problem with the rEFInd
[01:06] <Moppy> Is there a list of gaming mice that work with Ubuntu? By work, I mean the special software for programming buttons and changing the colors of the lights, etc - and not just the driver for basic functionality.
[01:19] <kenrin> The only one I know of is roccat Moppy
[01:23] <kenrin> Oh and razer has third party drivers that can do lights and things too
[01:24] <Moppy> I don't know if it's changed, but the razer linux software can't do macros, as it's not implemented in the mouse's hardware. I will check though.
[01:25] <kenrin> Well it has an API in python you can do things: https://terrycain.github.io/razer-drivers/
[01:25] <Moppy> Yea, I am looking at that now. It seems to have added macro support.
[01:27] <Moppy> So it looks like roccat and razer will mostly work
[01:37] <Moppy> kenrin: Thanks
[01:50] <jhpratt> Anyone know how to add a second clock to the status bar? Not in the dropdown.
[01:54] <[n0mad]> jhpratt: if you use gnome there appears to be an extension that can do that as far as i can tell but can't vouch for it
[01:59] <jhpratt> @n0mad on unity :/
[02:07] <jhpratt> Ok, signing off. If anyone is able to answer my question about adding a second clock, I have it over on AskUbuntu: https://askubuntu.com/questions/945450/display-multiple-time-zones-in-status-bar
[02:44] <oracule> hello
[02:47] <latemus> minecraft doesnt work on ubuntu ppc
[02:55] <aloo_shu> latemus, +1 for keeping a ppc alive
[04:06] <dckx_> I am installing ubuntu on a laptop with 2 SSD in raid 0. Windows 10 used to be installed there, but during ubuntu installation I formatted the disc as I only plan to have ubuntu on that laptop. During the installation, I was informed GRUB could not be installed, and was prompted to select a different location to install it, or to install it later manually, or to cancel the installation. The dialog is responsive, but whatever option I choose when I
[04:06] <dckx_> click "OK" nothing happens. Is this a common bug when installing ubuntu?
[04:15] <rypervenche> dckx_: Is the disk partitioned with MBR or GPT?
[04:16] <rypervenche> It's very possible that you didn't set up the boot partition, whichever type it needed to be, correctly.
[04:17] <dckx> yes, very likely. So now I'm starting the installation again after rebooting
[04:17] <dckx> but I can't make sense of all the different partitions or drives that appear in the partition manager
[04:19] <rypervenche> dckx: Can you take a screenshot of what you see for us?
[04:19] <dckx> I'm confused in two ways. 1) Being this a raid setup, do I need to create the same partitions (boot, root, swap, etc.) on both drives? Now, both drives show with the same partitions, but for example, if I create new partitions in drive A, they are not reflected on drive B automatically. And 2), which partitions should I create? and how much space for each, approximately. I remember reading swap should be as large as the RAM, and boot around 500mb,
[04:19] <dckx> and root and home whatever I wanted
[04:20] <dckx> rypervenche: can I take screenshot during installation? I'm installing on a one laptop, and chatting here on another
[04:20] <rypervenche> dckx: Oh RAID, that might take some manual work. Let me take what options it has. What version of Ubuntu?
[04:21] <dckx> 16.04.3
[04:21] <rypervenche> dckx: You can a screenshot, yes. I believe the printscreen key will do it for you. It might be another key combination on Ubuntu though, someone can speak up if it's something else.
[04:22] <dckx> rypervenche: but I can't do much during the installation, or can I?
[04:23] <dckx> rypervenche: i mean, with the screenshot
[04:23] <rypervenche> dckx: Why not? Are you using a graphical installer or the ncurses (blue and red) one?
[04:23] <dckx> rypervenche: graphical
[04:24] <rypervenche> dckx: Then you can. Also RAID is available in the "manual" partitioning choice.
[04:28] <dckx> rypervenche: I only have the top bar, but not the lateral one. I cannot open terminal, or I least I have not been able to
[04:29] <dckx> rypervenche: Now I exit the installation so I can. How can I provide the partition information?
[04:29] <rypervenche> dckx: probably "sudo fdisk -l" would give us what we need.
[04:33] <dckx> rypervenche: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25294791
[04:36] <rypervenche> dckx: Are you wanting to do a hardware RAID or a software RAID?
[04:43] <energizer> I have pings frequently above 500 to 192.168.0.1
[04:44] <energizer> internets pretty hard to use like this. what can i do?
[04:47] <rypervenche> energizer: From what IP?
[04:48] <EpicCyndaquil> hey everyone, apt-get keeps grabbing packages that dpkg claims are corrupted. How do I start troubleshooting this? simply removing the package from /var/cache/apt/archives and trying again seems to fix it all the time, but it's happening too often to just be an odd occurrence.
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:54] <energizer> rypervenche, im 192.168.42.68
[04:54] <rypervenche> energizer: And is that on your network or are you not using your own network?
[04:56] <energizer>  ip route | grep default > default via 192.168.42.1 dev wlp58s0 proto static metric 600
[04:56] <energizer> so i guess that explains it; it wasnt the right ip
[04:57] <energizer> but solving the xy problem
[04:57] <energizer> my internet is really slow
[04:57] <rypervenche> energizer: Where are you seeing said "pings"?
[04:57] <tgm4883> rypervenche: he's pinging
[04:57] <energizer> rypervenche, terminal ping
[04:58] <tgm4883> rypervenche: not he's seeing someone else pinging
[04:58] <energizer> tgm4883, right
[04:58] <rypervenche> Ahhhh ok. I finally get the 500 bit.
[04:59] <dckx> rypervenche: sorry, had to go do something. I think the drives are already in raid right? In the BIOS the SATA mode is set to RAID, and they were hardware raid 0 just an hour ago when they had windows 10 installed on them
[05:01] <rypervenche> dckx: Ah ok. You won't need anything special then, I don't think. You'll just install to that RAID drive.
[05:03] <dckx> rypervenche: I have tried twice now, but it seems I can't get the partitions right
[05:09] <dckx> rypervenche: http://i66.tinypic.com/2lcn3mb.png
[05:11] <dckx> rypervenche: that didn't work
[05:12] <rypervenche> dckx: Image does not exist.
[05:13] <dckx> rypervenche: yeah, that's what i meant. I'll try one more time to install, but I'm getting screenshots of the important steps
[05:23]  * Yoginth 
[05:25] <Mittens> hello, I installed ubuntu latest version in place on win10 and now I can't seem to be able to print
[05:25] <Mittens> I will tinker around and see what's up.
[05:25] <Mittens> any relevant advice (where to look etc would be appreciated) thanks in advance.
[05:26] <Yoginth> how can i get @ubutu.com email and i will be the security manger at IRC Channel any suggestions?
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> Yoginth: security manager?
[05:28] <Flannel> Yoginth: To get an @ubuntu.com email, you need to become an Ubuntu Member: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/NewMember
[05:32] <dckx> rypervenche: the installer crashed
[05:32] <dckx> will tray again tomorrow, now I need to sleep. thanks!
[05:36] <arunkumar413> Any idea on the data format used by USB webcam
[05:42] <AndrewGazelka> Hey
[05:43] <AndrewGazelka> Is there a way to disable automatic blurring of low-resolution icons in Ubuntu?
[05:43] <AndrewGazelka> (ping me if you know) ... I couldn't find any information on the web
[05:57] <jerichowasahoax> What are some reasons the stat command can fail on a file, that have nothing to do with file permissions?
[05:57] <jerichowasahoax> Because I have a file that I can't stat as a certain user, even after "sudo chmod -R 777 /parent/directory"
[06:03] <jerichowasahoax> Alternate question: Does Ubuntu (16.04 server, if relevant) ship with some extra set of file permission enforcement that I need to check? Best as I can tell, AppArmor isn't interfering.
[06:06] <SubatomicParticl> None that I am aware of, jerichowasahoax.
[07:23] <user96> Hello, I am trying to use cryptsetup however it does not do anything after typing in a password and after doing "cryptsetup -v luksOpen /enc/vol1 vol1" it freezes after "Key slot 0 unlocked."
[08:07] <svarogg> I've got a strange error in Ubuntu 17.04 - .co.il (I'm in IL myself) domains don't get resolved by browsers/ping/etc, but do get resolved by dig/nslookup. Any other domains work correctly as far as I can tell.
[08:07] <svarogg> Adding 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 to /resolv.conf usually helps, but not always
[08:07] <svarogg> Anybody have an idea what this could be?
[08:26] <qswz> slightly off-topic, what does it mean when the RAM is welded in a laptop description? it means you can never change it?
[08:26] <qswz> or soldered, sorry for bad translation
[08:27] <capella> yah, sounds like work
[08:29] <wedgie> qswz: yes, permanently attached. at least intended to be permanent
[08:30] <qswz> wedgie: ah ok, sucks a bit to do that, but usually RAM doesn't fail before the rest
[08:30] <wedgie> qswz: usually it is a size thing. easier to make it smaller/thinner that way
[08:31] <qswz> ok
[08:49] <tomreyn> dckx_: you most likely don't want SATA mode = RAID in BIOS, this is fakeraid and just causes problems.
[08:51] <Dreaman> dckx_: 2 day not inastall ubuntu
[08:51] <Dreaman> is a jocke
[08:53] <tomreyn> dckx_: in case you can't change the bios setting or still want to keep the other OS try this http://www.overclock.net/t/1227636/how-to-change-sata-modes-after-windows-installation#
[08:55] <tomreyn> jerichowasahoax: about the stat issue, try to cd to the target directory, does that work?
[08:57] <tomreyn> jerichowasahoax: besides apparmor nothing is installed by default that should get in the way. if this is a VM or container, addditional restrictions (outside of OS control) could apply.
[09:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[09:19] <madmanonmeds> hi all
[09:28] <linuxenko> hi madmanonmeds
[09:28] <madmanonmeds> anybody that can help with the install of a invida driver, for geforce gtx 750 ti
[09:29] <madmanonmeds> it is in ubuntu 14.04
[09:29] <madmanonmeds> hi linuxenko
[09:30] <thorre> madmanonmeds: if the box runs lightdm you need to stop that service before installing the driver
[09:31] <thorre> so go out to the console, type "service lightdm stop" then "sudo bash ./<your Nvidia driver file>", answer the questions and then reboot
[09:31] <thorre> That should do the trick
[09:32] <thorre> If the Nvidia driver package complains abpout missing compilers and such try installing the build-essentials package.
[09:33] <linuxenko> Seems like there is PPA for such drivers http://bit.ly/2vOeYBh , i don't have nvidia card to try it
[09:34] <mitmf> what laptop is good for installing ubunu directly?
[09:36] <madmanonmeds> I will try that thanks thorre
[09:44] <XHFHX> Hi there. I want to backup my home folder from a broken ubuntu installation via live USB. i used sudo ecryptfs-recover-private on the mounted dir and entered my passphrase. after this i got a folder mounted in tmp - but in this it says i have to use encryptfs-mount-private again in README.txt but this fails as it says the folder is not setup properly
[09:44] <XHFHX> how can I get back my data? :/
[09:44] <tomreyn> mitmf: there are some companies which sell laptops with ubuntu, those are most likely to work (or you can return them at least if they dont work as advertised)
[09:45] <mitmf> tomreyn: what laptop?
[09:46] <tomreyn> mitmf: i did not specify one, i said look for companies selling laptops with ubuntu pre-installed
[09:48] <tomreyn> XHFHX: which system (some ubuntu live system?) are you running now, and which system is is on disk? by system, i mean operating system, and release version.
[09:48] <MonkeyDust> mitmf  havent followed, but look here http://zareason.com/
[09:48] <XHFHX> tomreyn: both times ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[09:49] <mitmf> thanks MonkeyDust
[09:49] <mitmf> :)
[09:49] <tomreyn> XHFHX: hmm i assumed it'd be fixed there. sorry i dont know then.
[09:49] <XHFHX> mh ok
[09:50] <XHFHX> well, i'll just flush the data then. wasn't anything too important in there. but not nice to see that decryption seems to be buggy^^ will turn of the encryption now on the new installation^^
[09:52] <tomreyn> XHFHX: better use full disk encryption
[09:53] <tomreyn> XHFHX: that's if you need that type of protection. IMO ecryptfs mostly makes sense for multi-user systems as an additional layer.
[09:56] <madmanonmeds> well I did that thorre, then it ran into a running x server, how to bypass that problem.
[09:58] <madmanonmeds> linuxenko: you still around
[10:00] <linuxenko> madmanonmeds , ctrl+alt+f1 , login then, sudo systemctl stop lightdm ; then run installation script, or try ppa i suggested
[10:03] <madmanonmeds> ctrl+alt+f1 does not  work on this for some reason, it just comes back to the desktop and freeze
[10:05] <MonkeyDust> madmanonmeds  try with f2 or f3, is it any different
[10:06] <BluesKaj> madmanonmeds,yeah f1 isn't used on some pcs
[10:38] <flying_sausages> Hey guys, any suggestions for an all-in-one script for a mailserver setup?
[10:39] <MonkeyDust> flying_sausages  start with tasksel (task select)
[10:41] <onhere> hi
[10:42] <flying_sausages> MonkeyDust is that like aptitude..?
[10:43] <MonkeyDust> !info tasksel
[10:46] <flying_sausages> MonkeyDust is that going to configure itself properly?
[10:47] <tomreyn> flying_sausages: configuring and managing (tweaking) a mail server (which doe snot just relay mail) takes time. it's not a software you just setup and run.
[10:47] <flying_sausages> tomreyn I was thinking about apps like mail-in-a-box or mailcow
[10:47] <flying_sausages> Scripts like these are usually a nice way for me to figure out how to break things and learn :p
[10:48] <flying_sausages> but I'd like to hear any pointers you might have as well
[10:49] <tomreyn> i have no better suggestions. do try and fiddle with it. just don't expect that you can just setup and run a amailserver accepting in- and outbound mail and stores mail for multiple users without a need to intervene regularly.
[10:49] <onhere> h
[10:50] <ikonia> it will get exploited
[10:50] <ikonia> and black listed within a week
[10:50] <ikonia> running a mail service is not a toy on the internet
[10:51] <onhere> good
[10:51] <Sveta> Hosting mail for yourself is ok. Allowing free registration of other users is a problem.
[10:51] <tomreyn> mail-in-a-box is a nice concept, i very much like that they are trying to bring mailservers into peoples' homes. but i'm not yet convinced it can be done in a way where the person managing it does not actually understand all the details.
[10:51] <flying_sausages> oh yeas Sveta it's for myself and my colleague only
[10:51] <ikonia> mail hosting for yourself is not ok
[10:51] <ikonia> it's still a mail server on the internet
[10:52] <ikonia> unless you are confident with it - you will be exploited and black listed
[10:52] <Sveta> Provide guidance for how to do it right.
[10:52] <ViciousLooRoll> How would I sync my date and term to a timezone via terminal?
[10:52] <flying_sausages> ikonia what sort of material should I read up in order not to get exploited?
[10:52] <Sveta> Great plan.
[10:52] <ikonia> the documentationon your MTA, and general info about how mail works on the internet
[10:52] <ikonia> the oreilly books are a good source
[10:52] <ViciousLooRoll> s/term/time/
[11:04] <onhere> error opening log file '#ubuntu.irc2p.log'
[11:20] <crc32> how do I set the boot device in grub2 it seems that when I did an apt-get dist-upgrade some how my /boot partition that was originally on /dev/md1 is not on /dev/md126 and poof grub declares "grub-probe: error: disk `mduuid/02cc9a6ff720f6de21045ecaa5cbb829' not found" not found. It also warned me that my computer is unbootable.
[11:21] <crc32> at this point I don't want to raid my boot partition any more I'll settle for a regular partition. How do I change my boot device?
[11:22] <MonkeyDust> crc32  "md" ... so it's RAID?
[11:23] <crc32> yes. I thought this was a good aproach to have my boot partition on mirror raid.
[11:24] <crc32> I also don't understand how all off a sudden my machine doesn't recognize /dev/md1 anymore and sees the boot partition as /dev/md126
[11:26] <crc32> How can I just destroy the /dev/md126 array and just install grub on a real partition.
[11:28] <Younder> woa. that is brain surgery
[11:29] <onhere> so
[11:30] <Younder> So you fail nothing will work, danm near inpossible to diagnose too. You had better try it out first on a virtual machine
[11:30] <crc32> So what do I do to make my machine bootable again.
[11:30] <Younder> reinstall
[11:30] <crc32> wtf
[11:31] <crc32> are you really suggesting I just reinstall?
[11:31] <Younder> YASFU
[11:31] <Younder> yes
[11:31] <MonkeyDust> crc32  make sure you have a backup, then learn from the suggestions you get here
[11:32] <Younder> sorry...
[11:32] <crc32> for real theres not some grub.cfg file where I can just say boot=/dev/sda1 or something then just reinstall grub
[11:33] <Younder> You have rendered your machine in an unbootable state
[11:33] <Younder> (you can curse now!)
[11:33] <crc32> I'm still booted into the machine now. But I got the warning the machine will not boot.
[11:34] <MonkeyDust> crc32  now first backup personal/important date, while you still have access
[11:36] <Younder> For what it's woth it has happened to me 5 times now. Mind you I have been using ubuntu since 2006.
[11:37] <Younder> I now run a 'happy' cluster of 14 linux machines and a windows system, and a androuid as well.
[11:38] <Younder> YMMV
[11:39] <Younder> rsync is great for functional backup
[11:40] <MonkeyDust> yes, it's what i use
[11:42] <MonkeyDust> but the --delete flag does not seem to work, deleted files on the source are not deleted on the dest
[11:44] <crc32> so the system still boots as I suspected. Grub2 is still on /dev/md126 but when I try to upgrade grub 2 tries to install on /dev/md1 which for some reason was renamed to /dev/md126
[11:45] <crc32> actually it looks more like the UUID changed for some reason.
[11:47] <MonkeyDust> crc32  what's the output of    lsblk -f ... paste it here http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[11:49] <crc32> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25296775/
[11:49] <crc32> grub complains it cant find `mduuid/02cc9a6ff720f6de21045ecaa5cbb829' not found
[11:55] <crc32> actually it looks like the boot partition was supposed to be /dev/md0
[11:55] <crc32> what would cause the name to change like that and is the name change related to this problem?
[11:59] <BluesKaj> systemd naming convention, maybe? why now,  who knows
[11:59] <madmanonmeds> I found it
[12:00] <crc32> found what?
[12:00] <madmanonmeds> it crashed
[12:00] <crc32> what is "it". Pronoun avoidance goes a long way.
[12:01] <madmanonmeds>  the way to run the script to install the nvidia driver
[12:01] <MonoMonkey> which, to some, is the
[12:01] <MonoMonkey> ｈｏｌｙ＀ｇｒａｉｌ
[12:02] <madmanonmeds> crc32: the script crashed
[12:02] <crc32> yea. I guess your looking at an installation log or something.
[12:02] <BluesKaj> madmanonmeds, the driver from the nvidia website? if so it will beak your system on the next kernel upgrade
[12:03] <madmanonmeds> oh well
[12:03] <BluesKaj> madmanonmeds, you don't need a script to install supported nvidia drivers
[12:05] <madmanonmeds>  that is all the linux drivers on the nvidia site
[12:05] <BluesKaj> madmanonmeds, open a console and run: sudo ubuntu-drivers list
[12:07] <madmanonmeds> that system is on a diffrent drive I can't just hop over and try
[12:07] <BluesKaj> those "nvidia website drivers" aren't supported on ubuntu
[12:08] <madmanonmeds> well where are the supported drivers
[12:09] <madmanonmeds> any body
[12:10] <BluesKaj> madmanonmeds, in the package manager and in the console if you run,  sudo ubuntu-drivers list ... the recommended drivers should be listed
[12:10] <oerheks> or type drivers in dash, tool should show up
[12:10] <madmanonmeds> How do I find the right one
[12:11] <oerheks> type 'nvidia linux <graphicscard>  and the search will give you the 1st release of the supported driver
[12:11] <onhere> monkey dust:good
[12:11] <oerheks> * in a browser
[12:12] <oerheks> or tell us the graphicscard and we have a look?
[12:13] <madmanonmeds> the graphics card is the nvidia geforce gtx 750 ti
[12:14] <oerheks> nvidia 334 or higher http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/73666/en-us
[12:22] <madmanonmeds> well that turned up nothing
[12:23] <BluesKaj> the 375 or 384 seem to the ones to use, the nvidia numbers are used for the ubuntu supported  drivers
[12:24] <respawn1> anyone here running ubuntu gnome 17.04? I want to an auto-install (basic) using my HDD and not my SSD (which is actually some intel smart raid thing). On another version of Ubuntu it automatically installed the bootloader to /dev/sda when I wanted everything on /dev/sdb. Will Ubuntu Gnome give me the option of choosing where to install the bootloader, or do I need to manually partition during install? thanks in advance
[12:26] <oerheks> respawn1, yes, you get the choise where to put grub2
[12:26] <respawn1> oerheks: thank you!
[12:26] <BluesKaj> madmanonmeds, even tho the nvidia site drivers appear to be the same as the ubuntu supported drivers, nvidia doesn'tkeep up with the kernel module updates/upgrades, that's the difference
[12:26] <oerheks> it might be half way or nearly at the end of the install though
[12:27] <respawn1> oerheks: that's fine, as long as I can choose
[12:27] <BluesKaj> grub is usually installed near the end
[12:27] <respawn1> oerheks: btw just wanted to clarify..you're referring to ubuntu gnome, and not regular ubuntu right?
[12:28] <oerheks> basicly for all ubuntu versions AFAIK
[12:31] <madmanonmeds> hay blueskaj; where do i get the ubuntu supported drivers
[12:33] <oerheks> type drivers in dash, tool should show up , or go into softwarecenter > sources > additional drivers tab
[12:33] <madmanonmeds> sorry I went away for a while looking
[12:33] <oerheks> scroll back?
[12:34] <BluesKaj> in your package manager type nvidia driver, then look for the nvidia-384 or nvidia-375 , madmanonmeds
[12:37] <madmanonmeds> I will look bye for a moment
[12:44] <madmanonmeds> that seem to have worked Blueskaj
[12:44] <madmanonmeds> thank you
[12:45] <BluesKaj> madmanonmeds, thank me after you install and reboot, if it wotks then.
[12:52] <blackflow> Hello. The Ubuntu 17.04 desktop iso downloadable from the official site seems to be still the original one from April. It's basically broken with two pretty severe bugs (dns not working and kernel bug that panics when anything swap related is executed by it). Any reason the original ISO hasn't been updated with fixes?
[12:53] <BluesKaj> blackflow, show us thedownload site
[12:53] <oerheks> blackflow, normally one would enable updates during install.. and for the most of us it is working
[12:54] <BluesKaj> or update and upgrade after booting into thenew install
[12:54] <Dreaman> apt updat&apt dist-upgrade
[12:54] <blackflow> BluesKaj: the official site, https://www.ubuntu.com/download
[12:55] <Dreaman> apt update&apt dist-upgrade
[12:55] <blackflow> oerheks: well the problem is you can't do anything with the image other than use the default installer directly. any custom installation procedure based on it is broken due to those two bugs.
[12:56] <blackflow> the issue is not that it's not fixable (partially is), but that the official installation image is broken.
[12:57] <Dreaman> why not unity in 17.10
[12:57] <BluesKaj> somehow I doubt that the official image broken ...
[12:58] <blackflow> BluesKaj: well, it is :)
[12:58] <BluesKaj> could be your HW
[12:58] <blackflow> it isn't. the bugs are logged and already fixed through updates. it's the iso that's not updated.
[12:59] <BluesKaj> did md5sum the image, blackflow?
[12:59] <blackflow> yes
[12:59] <tomreyn> BluesKaj: where are they logged?
[12:59] <blackflow> are you listening to what I'm saying? the bugs are known, and have been fixed since. the ISO hasn't been updated
[13:00] <tomreyn> there will be 'nightly' builds you can use.
[13:00] <BluesKaj> how can the bug be "fixed" in that case
[13:00] <blackflow> with the updated kernel image and systemd-rsolved config that drops dnssec
[13:00] <oerheks> blackflow, again: normally one would enable updates during install..
[13:01] <blackflow> oerheks: which doesn't affect hte live environment, that's the problem
[13:01] <blackflow> in particular, the kernel bug that panics when certain swap related syscalls are made (and they're made regardless of whether swap exists or not)
[13:01] <BluesKaj> this is going nowhere ...
[13:02] <blackflow> so if you want a custom installation that requires a bit extensive memory use, you get panic'd kernel
[13:02] <blackflow> in short, the broken live environment prevents proper use for installation
[13:03] <oerheks> blackflow, on what hardware exactly?
[13:04] <blackflow> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1674838
[13:04] <blackflow> it's a pretty severe bug, that has been fixed since
[13:05] <blackflow> it prevents using the live environment of the installer from doing anything a bit more memory extensive
[13:05] <blackflow> eg, working with ZFS (that's officially supported by Ubuntu, so it's not an unsupported use case)
[13:07] <oerheks> odd, with updates enabled you would get 4.10.0-30
[13:07] <blackflow> oerheks: updates of what?
[13:08] <oerheks> kernel ?
[13:08] <blackflow> and how do you reboot the live environment into the new kernel?
[13:08] <blackflow> the updates you're talking about are applied to the _installed_ OS, not the live env
[13:08] <oerheks> i am talking about install.
[13:09] <oerheks> still, what hardware exactly?
[13:09] <blackflow> which part of it in particular are you interested?
[13:10] <oerheks> cpu and gpu please
[13:12] <blackflow> oerheks: core i5-4460 and nvidia geforce gtx 960
[13:12] <ViciousLooRoll> What's the best place to use as home directories for non user accounts
[13:12] <ViciousLooRoll> Like my teamspeak and znc-admin user
[13:15] <oerheks> blackflow,  that is not unusual hardware, and not that recent so it should be working fine..
[13:16] <tomreyn> ViciousLooRoll: if it's system users without a shell you could use /nonexistent
[13:17] <ViciousLooRoll> Is there anything wrong with just using /home/teamspeak
[13:17] <ViciousLooRoll> And /home/znc?
[13:18] <tomreyn> ViciousLooRoll: some other system users (without a login shell) still point to /home/SERVICENAME (such as syslog)
[13:18] <tomreyn> ViciousLooRoll: i assume yours actually need shells, though?
[13:19] <blackflow> oerheks: oh I know that :) this issue has nothing to do with the particular hardware.
[13:19] <ViciousLooRoll> tomreyn: I'm not sure if they need a shell
[13:20] <ViciousLooRoll> I have disabled login on both of them.
[13:20] <tomreyn> ViciousLooRoll: well i guess oyu can point them to /home/servicename either way.
[13:23] <oerheks> blackflow, then avoid the live session, and install with updates. i have no other plausible solution, the iso gets updated with 17.04.1 somewhere this month, august
[13:23] <oerheks> and is the start of the big release, some companies wait for the 17.04.1 release anyway
[13:23] <blackflow> oerheks: you're missing the point
[13:23] <blackflow> I am not talking about the installer. forget the installer. I'm talking about the live env.
[13:24] <oerheks> I know, blackflow , wait for the 17.04.1
[13:25] <blackflow> oerheks: are you sure about that? 17.04 is not LTS. in two months 17.10 is coming out which obsoletes 17.04
[13:27] <oerheks> hmm you are right
[13:27] <oerheks> my bad :-(
[13:29] <oerheks> Then no, the iso does not get updated at all..
[13:29] <BluesKaj> wqell, that's dumb
[13:30] <blackflow> you don't say :)
[13:30] <blackflow> paints a pretty bad picture of Ubuntu.
[13:36] <tomreyn> maybe it takes a bug report to get an updated .iso https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer
[13:50] <tomreyn> blackflow: this doesn't solve the issue for the general public, but you can (apparently - this guide has not been updated recently) build your own live-cd using the fixed packages as discussed here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch
[13:54] <ovalseven8> Hey, I have encrypted my system using LUKS/dm-crypt. Afterwards I added a line to a script and now my system does not really boot anymore. Is there a way I can decrypt it and remove that single line again
[13:55] <tomreyn> ovalseven8: two options: emergency boot, live cd + chroot. what does "does not really boot anymore" look like?
[13:56] <tomreyn> also, which file did you modify?
[13:56] <ovalseven8> tomreyn: I can enter my passphrase and it is decrypted but the window where you type in your username and password is not there and it's just black then
[13:56] <ovalseven8> In this script I use a command/program and I forgot to install that program first
[13:57] <ovalseven8> And now it seems like the system has massive problems with handling this
[13:57] <tomreyn> press ctrl-alt-f1 once you are at the black screne,. see if you get a textual login prompt there, then use textual commands to undo what you did to break it
[13:58] <ovalseven8> I will try out and say if it works
[13:58] <coin3d> Hi all. My apt seems to be in kind of a 'deadlock'. I deleted kernels from /boot manually (because boot was full and i couldnt run apt install -f), now i still cannot run apt install -f because apt is missing the already deleted kernel files
[13:59] <ovalseven8> tomreyn: No it does not work
[13:59] <coin3d> how can i tell apt to just 'deal with it' and force delete the kernel packages?
[14:00] <ovalseven8> tomreyn: I don't know what to do, I don't want to reinstall EVERYTHING :(
[14:08] <tomreyn> ovalseven8: which part does not work?
[14:09] <ovalseven8> tomreyn: switching to text mode
[14:09] <tomreyn> ovalseven8: okay, so when you hit ctrl-alt-f1 you just remain on a black screen?
[14:10] <ovalseven8> tomreyn: It's actually not a fully black screen. It's black then something shows up for a very short time and then it's black again ...
[14:10] <tomreyn> ok
[14:10] <tomreyn> !rescue | ovalseven8
[14:10] <ovalseven8> I guess it has something to do with systemd because i added a line in /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/60-lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf
[14:10] <ovalseven8> tomreyn ^
[14:11] <ovalseven8> There I wanted to use numlockx but I forgot to install numlockx
[14:11] <ovalseven8> So I guess the system tries to use numlockx but no idea
[14:12] <tomreyn> lightdm is your graphical login manager, the daemon / tool which shows the graphical login prompt. if it fails to start due to an invalid configuration this is why you cannot get to the login
[14:12] <oerheks>  
[14:13] <ovalseven8> tomreyn: Yeah, but I also can't access the text mode
[14:13] <tomreyn> ovalseven8: are you saying that you tried recovery and it did not output any text on screen?
[14:13] <ovalseven8> tomreyn: well i only get grub shell
[14:14] <ovalseven8> but i don't know what I should type there
[14:14] <john_doe_jr> how to enable the precise-updates repository?
[14:14] <oerheks> john_doe_jr, not. precise 12.04 is dead, EOL.
[14:15] <john_doe_jr> oerheks: well I can't upgrade
[14:15] <john_doe_jr> oerheks: given that I can't update the distributions…how do I enable it?
[14:15] <tomreyn> ovalseven8: you only get to grub shell when you do what exactly?
[14:15] <oerheks> there is a trick to upgrade after supports ends, see the old-versions part in the following url
[14:15] <oerheks> !eolupgrade
[14:15] <tomreyn> john_doe_jr: change apt sources to point to old-releases.ubuntu.com
[14:16] <ovalseven8> tomreyn: When I type "Esc" while booting I get to grub shell
[14:16] <oerheks> oh, old-releases <> old-versions, my bad
[14:16] <tomreyn> john_doe_jr: but you *really* need to upgrade, or better reinstlal now that your system has been outdated for so long.
[14:16] <tomreyn> ovalseven8: right, but that's not what i suggested to do
[14:16] <john_doe_jr> where is sources.list?
[14:17] <tomreyn> john_doe_jr: /etc/apt/
[14:17] <ovalseven8> tomreyn: Sorry, I don't know what I should do now
[14:17] <tomreyn> ovalseven8: did you read what ubottu  wrote?
 ovalseven8: If your system fails to boot normally, it may be useful to boot it into recovery mode. For instructions, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode
[14:18] <ovalseven8> Yeah, but I don't get in recovery mode :( Will try again
[14:18] <tomreyn> shift key is not escape key
[14:18] <ikonia> you need to explain more than "don't get into recovery mode"
[14:19] <john_doe_jr> tomreyn: after I add the old-releases to the sources.list…I just do an apt-get update right?
[14:19] <tomreyn> john_doe_jr: yes, and then (if the update worked fine and without any warnings) you 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
[14:20] <tomreyn> john_doe_jr: and then you could try a distribution upgrade. but anything said before here still applies.
[14:20] <john_doe_jr> tomreyn: that would update the distribution and might break some things
[14:20] <ovalseven8> tomreyn: now i am in recovery mode
[14:21] <ovalseven8> yeah, i have root access now
[14:21] <tomreyn> john_doe_jr: apt-get dist-.upgrade with a sources.list file for the same release you are running does not upgrade ubuntu
[14:23] <tomreyn> ovalseven8: okay, so after mounting all read-writable as discusse don the page ubottu pointed you to, you can edit the file you had edited earlier.
[14:23] <tomreyn> ovalseven8: you can use 'editor /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/60-lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf' to do so.
[14:23] <john_doe_jr> how would I update the distribution then?
[14:24] <ovalseven8> tomreyn: i have only read access :(
[14:24] <ikonia> why don't you just do this outside of recovery mode
[14:24] <tomreyn> john_doe_jr: did you read the 'EOLUpgrades' page ubottu kindly pointed you to (by request of ik0nia) earlier?
[14:25] <ovalseven8> ikonia: Because it's not possible
[14:25] <ikonia> why is it not possible
[14:25] <ovalseven8> ikonia: Because the system does not boot
[14:25] <ikonia> it will boot
[14:25] <ikonia> it just will not lauch X
[14:26] <ovalseven8> ikonia: How do I get write access in recovery mode?
[14:26] <ikonia> you need to remount the file system, however I suggest you don't do it this hard
[14:26] <ikonia> just boot the system and edit the file
[14:26] <john_doe_jr> tomreyn: if I do a do-release-upgrade is there anything I need to be worried about?
[14:26] <tomreyn> ikonia: ovalseven8 stated that he ends up on a black screen at normal boot, and that pressing ctrl-alt-f1 just quickly showed some text, then another black screen.
[14:27] <ovalseven8> ikonia: Well, my problem is that the system does not boot regularly. So I don't understand you.
[14:27] <ikonia> that seems unliekly
[14:27] <ikonia> likley
[14:27] <ikonia> likely even
[14:27] <tomreyn> I agree
[14:27] <ikonia> if it's just the greeter it will just be the X display not working
[14:27] <john_doe_jr> tomreyn: will that put me at another LTS?
[14:28] <tomreyn> john_doe_jr: if it works out as it should, it will upgrade to 14.04 LTS
[14:30] <john_doe_jr> tomreyn: it said I shouldn't continue b/c I was running it using ssh
[14:30] <tomreyn> john_doe_jr: so do the upgrade while sitting on the computers' keyboard, not remotely.
[14:30] <ovalseven8> I got the line deleted but now my it booting is absolutely not possible anymore :(
[14:31] <john_doe_jr> tomreyn: I'm not at the office
[14:31] <ovalseven8> Yes, now I have it! :)
[14:31] <ovalseven8> Thanks a lot tomreyn for your help
[14:31] <tomreyn> john_doe_jr: then go to the office / delay the upgrade until you are at the office, or use your OOB management system (if you have one)
[14:32] <john_doe_jr> tomreyn: the whole problem is that I'm getting the following error message: "The following packages have unmet dependencies: libssl-dev : Depends: libssl1.0.0 (= 1.0.1-4ubuntu5.39) but 1.0.1f-1ubuntu2.18 is to be installed" ..is there anyway I can fix this with out doing a release LTS upgrade?
[14:32] <tomreyn> ovalseven8: welcome. next time you ask for assistence, please try to always explain how things do not work, and explain what you are doing, since we can't watch your screen.
[14:33] <ovalseven8> tomreyn, OK. I bootet in recovery mode, got to root shell, then tried to get write access (https://askubuntu.com/questions/117950/how-do-i-change-file-system-in-recovery-mode-to-read-write-mode)
[14:33] <ovalseven8> and then removed this one line
[14:33] <tomreyn> john_doe_jr: yes, you can reinstall.
[14:33] <ovalseven8> Afterwards I had to fix grub
[14:34] <john_doe_jr> tomreyn: reinstall?
[14:34] <tomreyn> john_doe_jr: or install, rather, a newer release, as suggested previously.
[14:35] <tomreyn> !next
[14:56] <venthe1650> Hello. do you know any program that allows for easy share of files between ubuntu android and windows on the same network?
[14:59] <tomreyn> venthe1650: you could setup a nextcloud server
[14:59] <tomreyn> venthe1650: for a smaller solution, an ssh server would probably work, too.
[15:01] <venthe1650> I actually have nextcloud server on raspberry pi :) but the problem is that a few other people use it and sending larger files is kinda slow
[15:01] <venthe1650> I though about more direct solution
[15:02] <lamduh> how do people remote into their linux desktops from windows? Is tightvnc or rdp the right choice?
[15:11] <tomreyn> lamduh: yes, vnc (tunnelled through ssh) works, if you want a lower latency experience, try x2go
[15:34] <jerichowasahoax> tomreyn: I had already gone to bed when you sent your message, but to provide an update: My ACLs for that directory were somehow bogus, so I just ran "setfacl -m u:that_user:rwx /parent/directory" again and now everything's fine
[15:34] <jerichowasahoax> I'm 99% sure I allowed +x the first time, but maybe I hit the "C" key by accident and didn't notice or something
[15:39] <yoginth> Hello
[15:39] <sp0on> hi
[15:40] <yoginth> My location: Theni, India
[15:49] <jerichowasahoax> How do I disable the "You have mail" message in my shell? Because the only "mail" I have is usually "INTERNAL FOLDER DATA DO NOT DELETE" (which doesn't show up in anything except /usr/bin/mail), and I have an IMAP client to handle my actual mail for me anyway.
[15:50] <jerichowasahoax> I'm using zsh, if it matters, but I feel like this is some shell-agnostic thing.
[15:56] <CarlFK> 00:1f.6 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection (2) I219-V (rev 31)  - was working fine 4 weeks ago.  still works to pxe boot, but now I get no /dev/eth or any mention of it in dmsg
[15:57] <CarlFK> google says [    1.216090] e1000e 0000:00:1f.6: The NVM Checksum Is Not Valid 	but I don't even see the e1000 module in dmesg
[16:01] <glitsj16> jerichowasahoax: you could try commenting out the 'pam_mail.so' reference in /etc/pam.d/login (possibly also in /etc/pam.d/sshd for ssh logins)
[16:09] <dckx> hello everyone. I'm having problems installing ubuntu in my laptop. The laptop has 2 SSD in Raid 0 (in BIOS SATA option, I had selected "RAID". Now, following someone's suggestion here, I selected AHCI). My idea now is two have one of the SSD drives with ubuntu, and the other one with Windows. Is that possible? Or do they have to be on the same drive? Regardless of that, I want to install Ubuntu first. I am in liveusb,  but when I try to install I
[16:09] <dckx> get an error about installing the bootloader in dev/sda. Also, the partitions listed in the partition manager look weird. After I disabled the RAID, I expected to just find 2 HDDs, but I actually have many more partitions. I just would like to assign a new partition table to each hard drive, but the partition manager doesn't let me. I can only assign a new partition table to one drive, not to the other. So, I'd love to have some help :D
[16:09] <tomreyn> dckx: rulw #1: don't use fakeraid
[16:09] <tomreyn> *rule
[16:10] <tomreyn> oh, i should read on sorry.
[16:10] <dckx> tomreyn: that came with the manufacturer, but yes, let's get that fake raid out and have two independent hard drives
[16:11] <tomreyn> dckx: so you want to multi.boot windows and ubuntu linux. then the best approahc is to install windows first, then ubuntu
[16:11] <dckx> tomreyn: OK, I will do that first.
[16:12] <tomreyn> you can install one of them to partitions on the one disk, the other to partitons on the other disk.
[16:12] <dckx> great
[16:13] <jerichowasahoax> glitsj16: seems to do the trick, thank you
[16:13] <tomreyn> you can also use software raid on linux to have raid functionality across two partitions on two physical disks. windows cannot handle these, but that's okay as long as there is still enough space to install windows to separate partitions.
[16:13] <tomreyn> jerichowasahoax: thanks for your feedback earlier, glad it worked out.
[16:13] <glitsj16> jerichowasahoax: you're welcome
[16:13] <tomreyn> !multiboot | dckx
[16:14] <tomreyn> !dualboot  | dckx
[16:14] <oerheks> !dualboot
[16:14] <tomreyn> thanks ;)
[16:15] <dckx> tomreyn: I am installing windows now, but when I have to select the drive/partition, I only have two drives (and I have 3 physical drives)
[16:15] <tomreyn> dckx: i can only assist with linux i'm afraid
[16:16] <tomreyn> dckx: you could boot to the ubuntu live / installer system and check available storage devices there.
[16:16] <dckx> tomreyn: Could you help me there two completely wipe out the drives?
[16:16] <dckx> tomreyn: so they are unformatted, just free space?
[16:16] <dckx> tomreyn: as if they were new?
[16:16] <tomreyn> dckx: sure
[16:18] <dckx> tomreyn: I'm booting into liveusb now. Is there a way to install quassel there or another irc client so I can pastebin whatever I do in terminal and share the link other? Otherwise, i have to type the links in this other computer
[16:19] <oerheks> command | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:19] <tomreyn> dckx: you can use "pastebinit", a package you can install, providing a command you can pipe output to. it returns a short url. you can also install the hexchat IRC client there or browse to https://chat.freenode.net
[16:21] <tomreyn> dckx: oerhek's command also works, and you don't even need to install anything. once you're ready, the first output you could paste is that of 'sudo lsblk --ls'
[16:22] <tomreyn> this should be sufficient to identify which disks are detected and which ones we need to wipe
[16:26] <oerheks> wb
[16:27] <dckx> lsblk --ls <---- it says is an empty document when I do pastebinit
[16:28] <Menzador> tomreyn: it's https://webchat.freenode.net
[16:28] <EriC^^> dckx: try "sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999"
[16:29] <dckx> EriC^^: it says "Error: Can't have a partition outside the disk!"
[16:29] <tomreyn> Menzador: oops thanks
[16:30] <qswz> it feels weird that a recent i5 is better than a 2years old i7 (for the same cpu range)
[16:31] <tomreyn> dckx: sudo lsblk --fs | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:31] <dckx> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25298574/
[16:31] <qswz> tht disk is a mess
[16:32] <EriC^^> dckx: if you dont need them then wipe the raid stuff from them
[16:32] <qswz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25298585/ mine
[16:33] <dckx> EriC^^: I thought I had. I mean, I changed the SATA setting in BIOS from RAID to AHCI
[16:33] <EriC^^> dckx: no i mean on the disk itself
[16:33] <dckx> EriC^^: like opening the laptop and doing something to the disks physically?
[16:33] <EriC^^> dckx: no i mean the partition tables and raid metadata stuff
[16:33] <tomreyn> dckx: sdc is what your live session is running from, sr0 is your optical media drive (cdrom/dvd/...), if you are happy to overwrite all remaining disks this will be ada, sdbc and sdd
[16:34] <dbrass> Anyone has experience with PulseAudio and JACK? I may have messed up my audio setup and I would need some help.
[16:35] <dckx> tomreyn: sdd I need to keep as it is now. The other two can be wiped ot
[16:35] <dckx> out
[16:36] <tomreyn> dckx: sdc is what your live session is running from, sr0 is your optical media drive (cdrom/dvd/...), if you are happy to overwrite all remaining disks this will be sda, sdb and sdd
[16:36] <tomreyn> ^ typos fixed
[16:36] <EriC^^> dckx: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=884556
[16:36] <tomreyn> dckx: ok, we keep sdd. so you want to: sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1024 count=1 ; sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1024 count=1
[16:38] <dckx> tomreyn: done
[16:38] <tomreyn> dckx: what this did was to just overwrite, with zeroes, the first 1024 bytes of those two disks. that's where the partition tables are stored, and probably (i would think) the raid meta data as well.
[16:39] <tomreyn> dckx: can you: sudo partprobe; lsblk --fs | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:39] <dckx> tomreyn: I see. I did the lsblk --fs and looks the same though. http://paste.ubuntu.com/25298606/
[16:40] <dckx> tomreyn: almost the same
[16:40] <tomreyn> dckx: linux 'caches' partition tables, the partptrobe command is to renew its information.
[16:40] <dckx> tomreyn: sorry, didn't read your previous msg
[16:41] <tomreyn> if you don't have the partprobe command available, this should work, too: echo 1 > /sys/class/scsi_device/device/rescan
[16:42] <dckx> http://termbin.com/gyio
[16:42] <dckx> tomreyn: I think it worked. http://termbin.com/gyio
[16:42] <tomreyn> dckx: hmm, sdb still thinks it has a raid on it. can you show the outputs of the 'dd' command from earlier?
[16:43] <tomreyn> actually sda also states so.
[16:43] <EriC^^> apparently raid metadata is on the last 512kb of the disk
[16:43] <dckx> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25298630/ that was the output of "dd" commands
[16:44] <EriC^^> dckx: try sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 seek=$(( $(blockdev --getsz /dev/sdb) - 1024 )) count=1024
[16:45] <EriC^^> same for sda sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 seek=$(( $(blockdev --getsz /dev/sda) - 1024 )) count=1024
[16:45] <tomreyn> i'm with EriC^^ there. and then you do the same for sda (there are two occasions where you need to replace it)
[16:46]  * tomreyn concurs, just those two commands
[16:46] <EriC^^> then try "sudo partprobe && lsblk --fs | nc termbin.com 9999" again
[16:46]  * tomreyn nods
[16:47] <dckx> so eric's command gives an error
[16:47] <EriC^^> dckx: the first one?
[16:47] <dckx> blockdev: cannot open /dev/sdb: Permission denied dd: invalid number: ‘-1024’ blockdev: cannot open /dev/sda: Permission denied dd: invalid number: ‘-1024’
[16:49] <EriC^^> dckx: try sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 seek=$(( $(sudo blockdev --getsz /dev/sda) - 1024 )) count=1024
[16:49] <dckx> EriC^^: that worked
[16:49] <EriC^^> same for sdb
[16:49] <EriC^^> replace the 2 instances in the line
[16:50] <dckx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25298663/
[16:50] <EriC^^> looks good
[16:50] <dckx> EriC^^: great, thank you
[16:50] <dckx> tomreyn: thank you too
[16:51] <tomreyn> actually those partitions are still there?
[16:51] <tomreyn> EriC^^: ^
[16:51] <tomreyn> "isw_dffbghaeh_Volume0"
[16:51] <EriC^^> tomreyn: yeah, i dunno about those volume stuff
[16:52] <tomreyn> hmm okay, maybe they'll be gone after a reboot
[16:52] <EriC^^> dckx: try "sudo fdisk -l | nc termbin.com 9999"
[16:53] <dckx> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25298680/
[16:54] <tomreyn> dckx: i guess it's fine then
[16:56] <tomreyn> dckx: you could reboot into the live cd again and do another "sudo lsblk --fs" and see wehther those isw_dffbghaeh_Volume0 are still there. or you could just try to install windows now
[16:58] <dckx> tomreyn: I'll reboot and do what you say, and then install windows. Thank you so much to you and Eric
[16:59] <tomreyn> welcome
[17:00] <ViciousLooRoll> Do any of you use irc via tmux instead of a bouncer?
[17:03] <tomreyn> !any
[17:04] <jerichowasahoax> glitsj16: update: commenting pam_mail.so doesn't remove the "You have new mail" that shows up if something other than internal folder data actually appears in my mailbox. Which, in my particular case, is fine, but I feel like it should be mentioned
[17:04] <ViciousLooRoll> tomreyn: oh yeah..
[17:04] <ViciousLooRoll> Of course someone does
[17:05] <ViciousLooRoll> I'm just not enjoying znc so I was wondering if it would be a good idea.
[17:06] <jerichowasahoax> if you can access the box your tmux session is on from all places you actually want to IRC from, tmux (or screen or what have you) is perfectly ok
[17:08] <jerichowasahoax> i use znc myself, but using a multiplexer is a well endorsed strategy
[17:12] <glitsj16> jerichowasahoax: thanks for the info.. I guess there could be pam_mail.so references in other files under /etc/pam.d besides login-related ones (e.g. /etc/pam.d/su)
[17:21] <EriC^^> j #linux
[17:23] <oerheks> j ##linux EriC^^
[17:23] <EriC^^> oerheks: :p
[17:25] <glitsj16> jerichowasahoax: I haven't seen those messages in ages on my boxes actually (without editing pam_mail.so stuff).. can't exactly remember if that is due to having .forward files and/or having added custom MAILTO vars to cron related files..
[17:45] <Technodrome> Good day
[17:46] <Technodrome> Anyone here have a chromebook? just curious
[17:55] <EriC^^> Technodrome: i'm willing to bet yes
[17:58] <oerheks> !info refind
[18:40] <smares> cheers guys! any idea if openssl 1.1 will find its way officially into artful?
[18:42] <MonkeyDust> !find artful
[18:42] <DWSR> I'm in the process of trying to create a Bastion host image for our infrastructure. I'm starting from the ubuntu-server ISO or EC2 image and would like to remove absolutely everything that's not critical for this functionality. I'm basically looking to get as close to `ubuntu-minimal + openssh-server` as possible. Anyone have some guidance on accomplishing this or perhaps some advice on this approach in general? Thanks!
[18:42] <MonkeyDust> smares  what's artful
[18:42] <calcmandan> looking for assistance for owncloud on ubuntu recently placed into a smoothwall setup. everything's working but the rss fetcher on the news app. if anyone has an idea on what ports i should allow i could sure use a hint
[18:43] <smares> 17.10
[18:43] <smares> artful aardvark
[18:45] <smares> was hoping for an update as debian buster also upgraded to 1.1 which offers support for tls 1.3
[18:52] <Menzador> smares: The 17.04 version is stable. If you're looking for the latest editions of software, you can try to find a PPA or package archive with the new version (which we don't support) or compiling the new version from source
[19:13] <eelstrebor> what is the difference between the xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu and the xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu-hwe-16.04? is one better than the other?
[19:14] <eelstrebor> there's also a xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu-lts-xenial - why did the ubuntu install use xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu instead of the other 2?
[19:15] <oerheks> see the HWE page, newer kernel and such
[19:15] <oerheks> !hwe
[19:17] <oerheks> 3:13 https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial-updates/xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu-lts-xenial
[19:17] <oerheks> 1.1.2-0 https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial-updates/xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
[19:39] <doogaille> hi
[19:43] <kostkon> doogaille, hi
[19:48] <eelstrebor> the hwe info doesn't really tell me much but i'm gonna install it since i'm having video driver issues on that laptop
[19:48] <eelstrebor> hopefully i won't break anything
[19:48] <ioria> eelstrebor, depends on your release
[19:49] <oerheks> eelstrebor, what do you not understand of ' newer kernel and X support ' ?
[19:49] <oerheks> x support as in drivers?
[19:50] <ioria> eelstrebor, if you are on xenial, obviously you don't need  xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu-lts-xenial, (same for zesty, only useful for trusty)
[19:50] <eelstrebor> well, i upgraded 16.04.3 to mainline kernel 4.12.6 - mostly to get a wifi card to work but i'm having issues with the amdgpu graphics
[19:50] <eelstrebor> i was hoping that the kernel upgrade would fix that also
[19:51] <oerheks> custom kernel, likely amdgpu is not available for that?
[19:51] <ioria> eelstrebor, uname -r ?
[19:51] <eelstrebor> it intermittently works - sometimes i get a desktop and sometimes a blank screen
[19:52] <eelstrebor> at least the kernel update got the wifi card going
[19:55] <eelstrebor> i got a lot of firmware warnings when upgrading the kernel - looks like it has something to do with the amdgpu
[19:56] <ioria> eelstrebor, uname -r ?
[19:56] <eelstrebor> 4.12.6-041206-generic
[19:56]  * oerheks is afraid there no fix for that.. for now
[19:56] <ioria> eelstrebor, oh, yes mainline
[19:57] <ioria> eelstrebor, i guess oerheks ir right
[19:58] <eelstrebor> i had mint 17.3 installed on that lappy for a short time and the video worked great with the fglrx driver
[19:58] <ioria> eelstrebor, with what kernel ?
[19:59] <fraktor> I'm trying to set up my laptop (a Lenovo YOGA) to run Ubuntu GNOME. It doens't have a disk drive, so I'm using USB media for the first time. I used dd to make a bootable drive, and I was able to get into grub, but it hung on a black screen. I used Startup Disk Creator with the same iso (I've checked the md5sum), and it has the same problem.
[19:59] <iresf> ubuntu 16.04 on a laptop hp with amd cpu  consume more than 100% cpu      any sulotion    ?
[19:59] <eelstrebor> amd and ubuntu is aware of the amdgpu problem but that info is from a year ago
[19:59] <fraktor> I've disabled secure boot, just to make it a little easier.
[20:00] <eelstrebor> ioria, i don't remember which kernel but it was a 3.x kerenl
[20:00] <kostkon> !nomodeset | fraktor, try this
[20:02] <eelstrebor> that was the wife's lappy that i put mint on and she didn't like the green display because it reminded her of frogs and she HATES frogs
[20:02] <eelstrebor> you should've seen her face when i gave her a wallpaper with an image of a frog
[20:02] <iresf> eelstrebor  :  do u know that sulotion ?
[20:03] <eelstrebor> nomodeset? yep - but the graphics is terrible
[20:03] <eelstrebor> well, not terrible but not enuff resolution - at least the video was stable
[20:12] <fraktor> kostkon: Would I be able to get into grub without setting that?
[20:12] <kostkon> fraktor, yes
[20:17] <fraktor> kostkon: I tried that with the "Install Ubuntu Gnome" setting, but I still have a black screen. I noticed that an error message flashed up right before grub came up, but I wasn't able to read it.
[20:19] <kostkon> fraktor, you could also try a different release and see if that will boot onto the desktop, e.g. Ubuntu, Xubuntu
[20:24] <kostkon> fraktor, have you seen this, especially bullet point 1-4. https://askubuntu.com/a/485632/1651
[20:24] <Vach0n> Hi. I'm looking for assistance in installing AdiIRC using Wine. I've tried following their guide on their wiki site, but I'm new to Linux, therefore not understanding it properly.
[20:25] <Menzador> Vach0n: #winehq
[20:25] <Menzador> or #playonlinux if you're using PlayOnLinux
[20:26] <kostkon> Vach0n, since there's a plethora of native irc apps I've got to ask what's special about it
[20:28] <Vach0n> kostkon, I know how it's used and I like the customizable interface etc. And very very soon (if not already) it will be offering scripting in all well known languages as php, javascript, C++ etc. Plus a ton of different features.
[20:28] <Vach0n> Menzador, I'll take a look and ask in that channel, thanks
[20:28] <Vach0n> #winehq
[20:28] <Vach0n> Woops, sorry.
[20:28] <Menzador> Lol :) happens to the best of us
[20:30] <oerheks> there is an #adiirc channel here on freenode too..
[20:31] <oerheks> but if you want support for  php, javascript, C++ etc .. i wonder if that is going to work
[20:34] <grumbel> Is there any tool to find the actual size of a filesystem? Not as in 'df', but as in how much of the partition it occupies exactly, so I can know how much a partition needs to shrink/grow to fit.
[20:35] <oerheks> du - disk use ?
[20:35] <grumbel> oerheks: that only works for single files, I am looking for the whole filesystem
[20:36] <grumbel> For ext2 that number can be obtained with something like "/sbin/dumpe2fs /dev/hda2 | grep 'Block size'"
[20:37] <kostkon> grumbel, sudo fdisk -l?
[20:37] <grumbel> But I am looking for a tool that works with all the other filesystems or a webpage describing how to get that value for each FS
[20:37] <grumbel> kostkon: no, that's the size of the partition, I am looking for the filesystem on the partition
[20:37] <gabrielc> grumbel: make a script
[20:38] <grumbel> gabrielc: for that I would need how to find the number in the first place
[20:38] <grumbel> 'btrfs fi show --raw' does print some numbers as well, but I don't know if that's the actual filesystem size or just the logically available space (i.e. missing header and stuff)
[20:39] <grumbel> I would assume that gparted might have that info
[20:39] <gabrielc> grumbel: lsblk
[20:39] <grumbel> gabrielc: that's the partition size again
[20:40] <oerheks>  df -i -h # gives the space for inodes too..
[20:42] <grumbel> oerheks: that gets a bit closer, but that's probably still just the logical size, not including header information of the filesystem
[20:43] <grumbel> gparted can display a filesystem size, but it rounds it to TiB instead of bytes or blocks, so that's not very useful and I am not sure if that's the logical size or the actual one
[20:44] <oerheks> !info ncdu
[20:44] <oerheks> maybe this tool is any help?
[20:44] <Menzador> Baobab or GNOME Disks as well
[20:45] <oerheks> baobab, i forgot about that
[20:45] <grumbel> oerheks: nope, it's a useful tool, but it's just a nice curses interface for 'du'
[20:45] <oerheks> but does that count headers and inode?
[20:46] <Menzador> Not sure about Baobab, but I think GNOME Disks does
[20:46] <Menzador> !info gnome-disk-utility
[20:47] <Menzador> Also, in your case, all the *e2fs* scripts work with any extX file system, not just ext2
[20:50] <Seveas> grumbel: can't (g)parted give this information somehow?
[20:50] <oerheks> but to increase/shrink, you would need full diskuse, no?
[20:50]  * Menzador would trust parted more if GParted doesn't show that info
[20:51] <oerheks> so this is going nowhere..
[20:52] <Seveas> hmm, gparted already gets confused with luks cryptovolumes...
[20:52] <grumbel> Seveas: haven't found a way with parted, it must have the info somewhere since it does partition resizing, but 'print all' just lists the partition layout, not the filesystems
[20:53] <Seveas> grumbel: just for my curiosity, what's the difference with df output and the ext2 magic commandline you have? I thought df looked at all occupied blocks
[20:55] <Seveas> hmm, (total blocks - free blocks) * blocksize does not match df's ideas
[20:56] <grumbel> Seveas: dumpe2fs: blockcount=256000, blocksize=4096 -> 1048576000
[20:56] <grumbel> df: 991512 * 1024 -> 1015308288
[20:57] <grumbel> So 32MB missing (probably journal and stuff)
[21:01] <grumbel> 'stat -f /' gives the same number as 'df'
[21:01] <Seveas> I'm missing 3.7GB
[21:01] <Seveas> that seems excessive
[21:02] <grumbel> I only tested it on my 1GB boot partition
[21:03] <Seveas> heh ok, this is a 226G partition :)
[21:03] <Seveas> could simply be reserved space, as that's a percentage
[21:08] <genii> Seveas: Usually 5% reserved for root
[21:09] <Newk> hi.. is Lubuntu an official ubuntu flavour? (not sure if my issue is due to this LXDE variant as it gets stuck at its boot-time
[21:09] <genii> You can change it with tune2fs if it seems an exorbitant amount
[21:12] <oerheks> Newk, yes, there is even a #lubuntu channel here on freenode
[21:15] <Newk> yes i know but it is not as populated as this one and think its a more generic linux question even... i have difficulties booting up lubuntu 14.04 with "ACPI APIC table pointer to RSDI pointer list" enabled in BIOS...
[21:16] <Newk> while my other partition with 16.04 64bit and win7 32bit have no trouble booting up with that
[21:16] <oerheks> why such old LTS, i would go for 16.04 lts
[21:16] <Newk> yeah i know.. its just that i invested lots of time getting stuff working on this system
[21:43] <Newk> have a nice one, bye
[22:09] <tsarompy> hi #ubuntu
[22:09] <tsarompy> help
[22:09] <tsarompy> i was doing an apt
[22:09] <tsarompy> and i accidentally the whole thing
[22:10] <genii> Accidentally what?
[22:10] <tsarompy> the whole thing
[22:10] <tsarompy> ??
[22:11] <genii> That's not a complete sentence :(
[22:12] <tsarompy> the whole thing i mean i dont know what i did
[22:12] <Bashing-om> tsarompy: One conplete thought on one line . Punctuation .
[22:12] <tsarompy> i accidentally it all help
[22:12] <Bashing-om> complete*
[22:12] <bazhang> tsarompy, take the chatter and games elsewhere please
[22:12] <tsarompy> :y
[22:53] <SkyLord12345> Hello!
[22:54] <aloo_shu> TatTaaaa
[22:58] <aloo_shu> welcome to the wonderful world of witchcraft, aka linux, Don SkyLord12345
[22:59] <aloo_shu> 12345 , the password of those for whom 1234 is to simple!
[22:59] <aloo_shu> praised be your taste
[23:00] <bazhang> !ot | aloo_shu
[23:01] <aloo_shu> tst
[23:01] <aloo_shu> ok
[23:07] <thgilsrooc> running ubuntu 15.04 on my old server. wanting to update to latest 17.04 but do-release-upgrade -d says nothing found. is it just too old?
[23:12] <aloo_shu> good to know that #ubuntu-offtopic exixts, bazhang . I merely took a humerous approach to the don-t ask to ask -paradigm, since there wasn't anything going onotherwise
[23:13] <SkyLord12345> try sent me PM message. i am testing Irssi notify.pl
[23:14] <bipul> How to find the configuration file via command line?
[23:16] <bipul> Supposed i would like to search all the configuration file for httpd
[23:16] <thgilsrooc> or better yet, if i were to simply change my sources.list on my server with new sources, would that work too?
[23:18] <kostkon> !eolupgrades | thgilsrooc, you would need to follow the upgrade path 15.04→15.10→16.04→16.10→17.10
[23:18] <kostkon> 17.04*
[23:19] <thgilsrooc> thanks i'll read that doc
[23:20] <Bashing-om> thgilsrooc: It can be done . I recently went from 12.04 to 17.04 . A lot of time and bandwidth ! Much easier to clean fresh install .
[23:21] <thgilsrooc> i have a media and cloud server running on this box.
[23:22] <thgilsrooc> too much burden to start fresh
[23:23] <kostkon> thgilsrooc, so if you aren't in the mood for a clean install you could upgrade to 15.10 and then finally to 16.04 which is an LTs and will be supported till 2021
[23:23] <Bashing-om> thgilsrooc: Van be dome . As close to defukt in 15.04 as possible . No proprietary softwares . Should heave no problems then .
[23:29] <thgilsrooc> proxy server is slowing down my downloads. a headache of mine being a new firewall admin.
[23:35] <SuperSeriousCat> So routing your data trough other places is decreasing your download? What a shock!
[23:36] <SuperSeriousCat> Notify everyone
[23:39] <willdeberry> Hello all! I was curious if this would be the correct location to get help with bzr and launchpad. I was attempting to tackle some things listed under one hundred papercuts. was following this guide: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/fixing-a-bug.html and this one as well, http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/udd-getting-the-source.html#branching.  No matter the syntax I try, i can't seem to check out the project. In this case
[23:39] <willdeberry> the ticket was specific to pidgin
[23:40] <willdeberry> bzr branch lp:ubuntu/trusty/pidgin this syntax is the only one that doesn't complain about there not being a branch
[23:50] <SkyLord12345> hello
[23:55] <dckx_> tomreyn: it worked like a charm