[00:01] <aloo_shu> bazhang, if you op, op well. SkyLord12345 is not here for ubuntu related questions
[00:01] <niceGuy00> i want to clone SSD with win7 on it to another SSD using live ubuntu usb how to do it? target SSD is smaller than source SSD
[00:01] <niceGuy00> anyone?
[00:02] <willdeberry> @niceGuy00 first idea that comes to mind would be to use dd, but that will do a complete byte for byte duplication
[00:03] <niceGuy00> willdeberry, that i dont want
[00:03] <aloo_shu> niceGuy00 first of all, defragment the win disk
[00:03] <niceGuy00> should i resize
[00:03] <niceGuy00> using kde partition edit
[00:03] <aloo_shu> after defrag
[00:04] <genii> dd_rescue can do sparse images, but there needs to be less data on the partition than space on the smaller drive
[00:04] <aloo_shu> tricky. resize will shrink the win partition so that it fits onto 2nd disk
[00:05] <aloo_shu> if possible, but resizing has a minimal risk, so you want a backup FIRST
[00:06] <aloo_shu> evacuate some important files, defrag, boot win 2 times for ntfs integriy check
[00:08] <aloo_shu> then format/partition the new-smaller disk so that there is a partition where the rsesized original partition fits
[00:10] <aloo_shu> I don't know the kde tool, gparted can do all this very well and is usually present on live media
[00:11] <aloo_shu> gparted would also allow you to clone/copy a partition from a gui
[00:11] <tomreyn> dckx_: that's good news :)
[00:11] <tomreyn> enjoy your new ubuntusystem then!
[00:13] <tomreyn> dckx_: by the way, if your computer is not too old / slow and you don't need to run graphically demanding stuff in Windows then I'd recommend to move the Windows installation into a Virtualbox VM and just boot into Ubuntu all the time. It's a lot more comfortable than dual-booting.
[00:14] <tomreyn> And I assume people around here or in #ubuntu-offtopic might help you with the migration (I would).
[00:21] <dckx_> tomreyn: thanks for the suggestion, I think I might do what you say, although I already have windwows 10 installed. I'm planning on goin almost 100% ubuntu within the next year or two, so going from dual-booting to a VM sounds like necessary step
[00:22] <tomreyn> willdeberry: there is also #launchpad
[00:22] <tomreyn> also #ubuntu-devel
[00:23] <willdeberry> awesome! much appreciated
[00:24] <tomreyn> dckx_: you can convert the existing windows 10 installation into a VM when you feel like it. it's not super easy if you haven't done it before, but it should work (so no need to reinstall).
[00:25] <dckx_> tomreyn: gotta give my daughter a bath, what you say sounds good, will learn more about it
[00:25] <tomreyn> depending on how flexible windows is nowadays, you may even be able to run it both as a VM under ubuntu and as a bare metal (dual boot) system, but i never tried that.
[00:27] <tomreyn> dckx_: good luck not getting too wet then! here's something you could read up on later https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch09.html
[00:29] <willdeberry> could just interact with the bare metal partition directly if you create the VMWare raw disk image pointed to a specific partition or drive
[00:29] <willdeberry> i've used an entire disk that way in the past, not sure about partitions, but sounds neat :)
[00:30] <tomreyn> partitions works, too, at leas twith virtualbox
[00:31] <willdeberry> nice to know.
[00:31] <willdeberry> i had fun with that back in the day on esxi
[00:49] <mmarconm> any one using ubuntu 16 for ltsp fat client ?
[00:50] <SkyLord12345> anybody - send me a PM, please
[01:08] <SkyLord12345> Hello! Good night
[01:09] <mmarconm> Hello ! good night
[01:12] <SkyLord12345> Hello
[01:12] <SkyLord12345> mmarconm - what is your Ubuntu version?
[01:13] <mmarconm> SkyLord12345: 16
[01:13] <SkyLord12345> and are you using DE or WM ?
[01:14] <mmarconm> SkyLord12345: both, gnome-flashback and xmonad
[01:15] <SkyLord12345> i use fluxbox
[01:15] <mmarconm> cool, openbox its a good shoot too
[01:18] <SkyLord12345> I have 3 GB ROM! But use fluxbox)))
[01:19] <SkyLord12345> strange?
[01:20] <SkyLord12345> How speed-up Ubuntu ?
[01:21] <SkyLord12345> Top - this command?
[01:21] <SkyLord12345> I need to know - what processes are lazy my computer
[01:23] <SkyLord12345> Does anybody know?
[01:31] <SkyLord12345> are we sleeping?)))
[01:47] <aloo_shu> SkyLord12345: it IS not ubuntu, but you can get or even make all sorts of Puppy Linux based on various ubuntu (and other) distros. Very small, runs from a pendrive, in RAM, and is a good school for 'trimming fat' as they put it, removing unnecessary stuff and get a fast OS
[03:33] <yoginth> how to become ubuntu member?
[03:33] <yoginth> and i need @ubuntu.com email
[03:33] <yoginth> it seems difficult to get one
[03:36] <demonxian3> ?
[03:36] <demonxian3> nobody?
[03:36] <yoginth> im here
[03:36] <demonxian3> alright
[03:36] <Bashing-om> yoginth: It takes a lot of want to and some bit of time : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/ .
[03:37] <yoginth> I read this but it is difficult to apply to boards!
[03:37] <yoginth> where is the form to apply membership to boards?
[03:38] <Flannel> yoginth: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/NewMember walks you through the entire process
[03:38] <Bashing-om> yoginth: The operative is " sustained contributions " .
[03:39] <Flannel> yoginth: Also, please take additional questions to #ubuntu-offtopic.  Obtaining membership isn't technical support, and is offtopic here.  Thanks!
[03:57] <BlackDalek> Can I use cheese webcam booth to connect to wireless webcams? If so, how? I see no option to enter a network address in cheese's options.
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> BlackDalek: Probably not unless you can do some other sort of magic to make it "appear" as a local device.
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> !info gmotionlive | BlackDalek Maybe this would do what you need?
[04:10] <fraktor> kostkon: So I tried a few different things, and it turns out that there was an error message flashing briefly into the screen that said "error: file '/boot/' not found." How can I repair my installation media?
[04:31] <madmanonmeds> oerhecks: thank you your advice helped yesterday
[04:36] <madmanonmeds> BlueKaj: thank you for your help yesterday the package manager is not installed by default on ubuntu this was a fresh install, I have installed it since.
[04:40] <madmanonmeds> is ubuntu using systemmd
[05:02] <bex> hello
[05:02] <bex> i need to reinstall ubuntu but i want to be very careful i dont erase my files that are also on the same disk https://www.dropbox.com/s/d0i7fuby0ndo7ye/Screenshot%20from%202017-08-07%2004-30-26.png?dl=0
[05:05] <madmanonmeds> bex: do you have free space
[05:06] <skymall> oops
[05:06] <skymall> grumble
[05:06] <skymall> can you give me a ring at 802-242-4707 thanks
[05:06] <skymall> grumble
[05:08] <SwedeMike> skymall: do you expect someone here to call you?
[05:08] <bex> not in that list, no
[05:10] <madmanonmeds> you don't have any free space
[05:15] <madmanonmeds> do you have another drive
[05:15] <bex> what would happen if i formatted that swap partition?
[05:15] <bex> 13 gb
[05:15] <bex> i dont know what its for
[05:16] <bex> oh maybe i can find an extra one
[05:18] <lazarus_zed> Maybe you misconfigured disk partition size before.
[05:18] <madmanonmeds> I may have jumped in over my head, I can not tell you fact
[05:22] <madmanonmeds> I looked at the screen shot and I have never seen that configuration
[05:24] <madmanonmeds> lazarus_zed: did you look at the screen shot
[05:24] <EpicCyndaquil> is there a way to run apt-get over https?
[05:28] <leaftype> EpicCyndaquil, sure thing! https://askubuntu.com/questions/146108/how-to-use-https-with-apt-get
[05:29] <leaftype> EpicCyndaquil, basically, just edit the /etc/apt/sources.list to https urls
[05:33] <EpicCyndaquil> the official mirror appears to not support https. Can you suggest one that does?
[05:37] <leaftype> EpicCyndaquil, it looks like Canonical doesn't have any official ones, however there are https mirrors - https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/3q53kc/list_of_ubuntu_repository_mirrors_available_over/
[05:39] <madmanonmeds> bex: you could in fact delete the swap partition and install there but you will need to make a smaller swap partition
[05:39] <leaftype> EpicCyndaquil, though, why do you want https? Everything I'm reading says it's probably not necessary because apt already signs and encrypts.
[05:40] <leaftype> EpicCyndaquil, Unless you just want it to be the same sort of blob as any other https traffic, for profiling reasons?
[05:44] <EpicCyndaquil> so I'm getting hash sum mismatches when downloading ubuntu packages, even from different mirrors, so I'm thinking my ISP has some kind of weird cache, and hoping https will get around it
[05:45] <bex> when i did "update-initramfs -c -k all" i got the following errors:
[05:45] <bex> "depmod: error: bad version passed version"
[05:45] <bex> "missing /lib/modules/version"
[05:45] <bex> "ensure all necessary drivers are built into the linux image"
[05:47] <leaftype> ah...
[05:48] <madmanonmeds> bex:sorry I can't help
[05:48] <bex> ok
[05:50] <madmanonmeds> someone else can though so stay
[05:51] <EpicCyndaquil> leaftype: so I've tried 3 https hosts so far, and they're all failing... any other step besides adding them to sources.list?
[05:53] <leaftype> EpicCyndaquil, no, not according to the link I showed you. However, for hash mismatch I found this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/41605/trouble-downloading-packages-list-due-to-a-hash-sum-mismatch-error/
[05:56] <leaftype> EpicCyndaquil, You said you assumed basically this, did you try deleting /var/lib/apt/lists/* , and then apt-get update?
[05:56] <EpicCyndaquil> leaftype: I've tried literally everything on that page
[05:56] <leaftype> EpicCyndaquil, ah damn
[05:59] <leaftype> EpicCyndaquil, maybe it's because we both have pokemon names, but I'm out of ideas.
[06:01] <EpicCyndaquil> trust me, I am too.
[06:02] <EpicCyndaquil> I think this has been going on for over a month, I'm clueless
[06:03] <leaftype> EpicCyndaquil, a month? How often do ISP's keep their cache
[06:05] <EpicCyndaquil> no idea, it's super strange
[06:34] <madmanonmeds> bex:what do you think about deleting the swap partition and letting ubuntu install there
[06:35] <madmanonmeds> that may not be the best idea but it is the only one I have
[06:36] <madmanonmeds> any body else
[06:39] <Nokaji> I seem to recall there is a change in 17.04 ... e.g. "In fresh installations of 17.04 we have a swap file instead of a swap partition"
[06:42] <madmanonmeds> Nokaji: from the screen shot he is in 16.04
[06:44] <Nokaji> no doubt ... just sharing my singular thought on the subject
[06:44] <Nokaji> ... soemthing to do with modern PCs having so much memory that it becomes almost obsolete
[06:46] <Nokaji> according to " free -h", I'm using 69M out of an available 15G
[06:49] <madmanonmeds> yes the swap partition is almost obsolete, but if is not there and the operating system needs it, it could hang
[06:57] <ddellav> yes, imo you should always have like 1g of swap just in case
[06:58] <ddellav> because otherwise if your system runs out of ram things just start crashing
[06:58] <ddellav> and its easy to add swap without making a partition
[06:58] <ddellav> dd if=/dev/zero of=/swap bs=1M count=1024
[06:58] <ddellav> mkswap /swap
[06:58] <ddellav> chmod 600 /swap
[06:58] <ddellav> swapon /swap
[06:59] <ddellav> thats part of a script that i run on every VPS
[06:59] <ddellav> since they usually don't have any swap
[07:00] <Nokaji> ddellav: I was looking up the possibility of using a swap file instead of swap space on any/earlier version; you beat me to it :)
[07:01] <ddellav> afaik that works on pretty much every version of linux
[07:01] <ddellav> i've used it since debian 7 days
[07:02] <madmanonmeds> the problem is he has no free space to reinstall
[07:07] <bex> ci think i'm just gonna reinstall to a different drive
[07:09] <arunpyasi> Hello everyone, what may be the reason that I can send the mail to local email address which are hosted in same server but cannot send to the internet ? I have 25 port open too, I can telnet
[07:12] <Nokaji> madmanonmeds: I wonderd what the problem was, I just scrolled back - maybe bex needs to do some temporary archiving to free up space
[07:13] <madmanonmeds> that is what i asked earlier if you had another drive to install there then copy the files to that drive
[07:15] <madmanonmeds> Nokaji: he did an update and things didn't go right
[07:16] <madmanonmeds> so it messed up his kernel
[07:17] <madmanonmeds> now he is trying to save his system by reinstalling
[07:19] <ddellav> ah, yea, in the future i always tell people to use /home as a separate partition to make re-install easy
[07:19] <Nokaji> madmanonmeds: Understood; that's exactly what I did last week - I moved stuff from one partition to another and back after, obviously I had some space. He'd need a DVD or USB stick etc but if you guys can't figure it out, I'm just a newb
[07:19] <Nokaji> maybe he can archive some stuff to reduce it in size
[07:21] <madmanonmeds> but if he don't how archive he can't, I don't know how
[07:22] <Bashing-om> bex: madmanonmeds :: check the condition of the kernels ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' and where the space is consumed ' df -h ; df -i ' ??
[07:22] <Nokaji> archive as in compress/ zip
[07:24] <madmanonmeds> I never ran into this condition, I always make some extra partitions
[07:26] <madmanonmeds> I have never seen that command
[07:26] <Nokaji> maybe there is studd that can be deleted, some temp files or duplicates - something has to give
[07:26] <Nokaji> stuFF
[07:28] <madmanonmeds> bex:you still on here
[07:31] <CoderEurope> How do I see the logs of a gui error when using ubuntu ?
[07:34] <arunpyasi> Hello everyone, what may be the reason that I can send the mail to local email address which are hosted in same server but cannot send to the internet ? I have 25 port open too, I can telnet
[07:35] <madmanonmeds> bashing-om: Nokaji: some of us are complete newb and then there are the graphical users, they don't know
[07:37] <bex> yea
[07:37] <madmanonmeds> yea what
[07:37] <bex> i'm still here but i already shut it down
[07:38] <madmanonmeds> where you running live from the disk
[07:38] <madmanonmeds> oops left or out
[07:39] <Bashing-om> madmanonmeds: We were all new at one time . We all learn - everyday .
[07:39] <bex> i was running a live version from a usb stick
[07:40] <madmanonmeds> yea but i am not a hacker, or anything like that.
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> arunpyasi: ubuntu-server?
[07:49] <Bashing-om> bex: madmanonmeds 'buntu is always fixable, given time and effort and a liveDVD. If ya want to restore the install I will return in about 12 hours .
[07:49] <lotuspsychje> CoderEurope: gui error of what exactly
[07:49] <arunpyasi> lotuspsychje, yes, its ubuntu server
[07:49] <madmanonmeds> well you are ahead of me bex
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> arunpyasi: maybe better luck solving in #ubuntu-server? those guys are used to this
[07:50] <arunpyasi> lotuspsychje, its 16.04
[07:51] <CoderEurope> lotuspsychje, of a program called lollipop - I am getting errors - Where are the error logs ?
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> arunpyasi: router of firewall can block outgoing traffic?
[07:51] <arunpyasi> lotuspsychje, ohh.. but the ports get open right !
[07:51] <arunpyasi> the traffic is blocked !
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> arunpyasi: have you tryed nmapping yourself external to see whats open or filtered?
[07:52] <arunpyasi> lotuspsychje, I tried to telnet
[07:52] <arunpyasi> lotuspsychje, 25 and 465, they worked fine.
[07:53] <marvinjoin777> hey all I was wondering if I could get help with installing ubuntu 16.04 on my new XPS 15. Whenever I go to install ubunutu from the GRUB menu it shows load menu then just hangs
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> CoderEurope: how did you install lollipop?
[07:57] <CoderEurope> lotuspsychje, cant remember.
[07:57] <CoderEurope> do I get to know where the error logs are , err , now ?
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> CoderEurope: lollypop seems like not supported in ubuntu repos
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> marvinjoin777: wich iso did you use? 16.04, 16.04.1 or .2 or .3?
[08:08] <marvinjoin777> 16.04.3
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> marvinjoin777: perhaps try a lower iso as a test? or the !nomodeset option
[08:09] <marvinjoin777> i was about to try the !nomodeset option
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> marvinjoin777: might be a too new kernel thing also
[08:09] <marvinjoin777> ill be back to see how it works, wish me luck
[08:09] <marvinjoin777> i see
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | marvinjoin777
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> CoderEurope: all logs are gathered in /var/log/...
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[08:17] <BlackDalek> can someone help me build a deb package of this emulator here - https://github.com/ColinPitrat/caprice32/blob/master/INSTALL.md
[08:20] <BlackDalek> I have got copy from github using git clone, but don't know how to get all the prerequisites nor how to actually start the build or what I enter into "make VERSION=<my_version_string>"
[08:21] <BlackDalek> what is <my_version_string> ?
[08:58] <CoderEurope> !nomir
[09:02] <oerheks> :-D
[09:16] <NoMiddle_> Hello, I've got to change group permission and group owner to /dev/vmnet8 on ubuntu 17.04. How can I fix them at boot?
[09:17] <tomreyn> better find out why you need to change them at all
[09:17] <tomreyn> are they not created properly in the first place, if so, why?
[09:18] <tomreyn> is the user trying to access it not in the right groups?
[09:18] <tomreyn> NoMiddle_: ^
[09:31] <NoMiddle_> tomreyn: yes, he couldn't because this /dev/vmnet8 has 0400 with group and ower root
[09:34] <NoMiddle_> I need to do that to use promiscous mode with esxi on vmware-workstation
[09:36] <tomreyn> NoMiddle_: then i'd say: look into how the device is created and modify that.
[09:37] <tomreyn> you may want to turn to a vmware support channel for further support (vmware is not in ubuntu)
[09:37] <NoMiddle_> But I ask to fix permission, not support for vmware
[09:45] <BlackDalek> can someone help me build a deb package of this emulator here - https://github.com/ColinPitrat/caprice32/blob/master/INSTALL.md
[10:36] <yoginth> hello
[10:37] <yoginth_> wazzup
[10:39] <cfhowlett> ubuntu support channel here, yoginth.
[10:39] <yoginth> what is the channel for no technical?
[10:40] <cfhowlett> !ot | yoginth
[10:42] <yoginth> how can i use IRC?
[10:43] <cfhowlett> you ARE using it
[10:43] <yoginth> when i close the window every messages were destroyed!
[10:43] <bazhang> yoginth, try #freenode
[10:43] <yoginth> how can i stay here like slack
[10:43] <yoginth> yeah im in freenode
[10:43] <bazhang> the channel yoginth
[10:43] <bazhang>  /join #freenode yoginth
[10:49] <tomreyn> this slack is broken!
[11:20] <_BIGSHOT_> 17.04 - there is screen tearing in dual monitor setup how to fix it?
[11:20] <_BIGSHOT_> intel nuc
[11:21] <ninstaah> Hello, to get intel wireless firmware, I install linux-firmware-nonfree, right?
[11:22] <Milonga> Hello! Has anyone had problems with the display not being recognised by X and therefore reverting to some default resolution?
[11:23] <tomreyn> ninstaah: linux-firmware, ubuntu is not debian
[11:24] <tomreyn> ninstaah: but there are more packages you might need. depends on your hardware.
[11:24] <tomreyn> i.e. get the PCI / USB ID
[11:25] <tomreyn> Milonga: no polls please. provide details if you are looking for a solution ot a specific issue.
[11:25] <tomreyn> _BIGSHOT_: whic kkernel module is it using? i915?
[11:28] <_BIGSHOT_> tomreyn: how to find it out? it is intel integrated graphics with intel nuc
[11:28] <ninstaah> tomreyn: oh, I am sorry - that linux-firmware package is installed (latest) and yet not wifi. How do I track down what wifi card is in it?
[11:30] <Milonga> Right, sorry, strange wording on my behalf. I'm looking for a solution, yes. X server is not supposed to need an xorg.conf file anymore right? I looked in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and it loaded some generic display settings from the xorg.conf, so I removed it.
[11:31] <tomreyn> _BIGSHOT_: sudo lspci -k | grep -A 8 VGA | grep Kernel | head -n1
[11:31] <_BIGSHOT_> tomreyn: Kernel driver in use: i915
[11:31] <Milonga> With no xorg.conf, the log said it didn't recognise my display or something?
[11:32] <tomreyn> ninstaah: sudo lspci -nn | grep -i net; sudo lsusb | grep -i net
[11:33] <tomreyn> Milonga: for basic operation with most hardware (suing open source drivers), you do not need to supply xorg.conf, that's correct.
[11:34] <ninstaah> tomreyn: seems like I only see my normal nic (00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection I218-V [8086:1559] (rev 04)
[11:34] <tomreyn> Milonga: which hardware do you have there, and which ubuntu release?
[11:35] <_BIGSHOT_> tomreyn: ?
[11:35] <tomreyn> _BIGSHOT_: try https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/intel_graphics#Tear-free_video and (maybe) https://askubuntu.com/questions/764302/screen-tearing-on-kubuntu-16-04-with-intel-drivers
[11:36] <tomreyn> _BIGSHOT_: which ubuntu release is it?
[11:36] <Milonga> tomreyn: I'm looking at a Samsung SyncMaster 940bw plus, and I'm using ubuntu studio, which might technically not be official?
[11:37] <tomreyn> Milonga: ubuntu studio is supported here. which graphics card?
[11:37] <_BIGSHOT_> tomreyn: it is kubuntu 17.04
[11:37] <Milonga> tomreyn: I'm using an Nvidia Quadro 4000
[11:38] <tomreyn> _BIGSHOT_: okay, then i have no furhter suggestions
[11:40] <tomreyn> Milonga: this command should tell you which driver is in use right now: sudo lspci -k | grep -A 8 VGA | grep Kernel | head -n1
[11:40] <tomreyn> Milonga: that's probably 'nouveau', but it could also be nvidia.
[11:41] <Milonga> I'm using Nvidia's proprietary driver
[11:41] <tomreyn> Milonga: which ubuntu release are you on? lsb_release -sd
[11:42] <tomreyn> ninstaah: sorry, i missed your reply. did you try botht eh lspic and the lsusb commoands?
[11:42] <Milonga> tomreyn: 16.04.3 LTS
[11:42] <tomreyn> * both the
[11:43] <tomreyn> * both the lspci and the lsusb command
[11:43] <ninstaah> tomreyn: yeah - it's an Intel NUC.
[11:43] <tomreyn> Milonga: sudo lspci -nn | grep -i VGA
[11:44] <tomreyn> ninstaah: can you post the output of 'sudo lsusb; sudo lspci -knn' to a pastebin, please?
[11:44] <tomreyn> !pastebin | ninstaah
[11:44] <Milonga> tomreyn: NVIDIA Corporation GF100GL [Quadro 4000] [10de:06dd] (rev a3)
[11:45] <ninstaah> tomreyn: sure, https://pastebin.com/J0gGw8DW
[11:46] <tomreyn> Milonga: can you confirm that running "sudo lspci -k | grep -A 8 VGA | grep Kernel | head -n1" returns "Kernel driver in use: nvidia"?
[11:46] <ninstaah> tomreyn: sorry, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25304217/
[11:46] <Milonga> It sure does
[11:48] <Milonga> tomreyn: or rather, "Kernel modules: nvidiafb, nouveau"
[11:51] <tomreyn> ninstaah: hmm i'm not sure which one of these would be the wireless really. can you show 'lsmod' as well? and maybe run 'sudo update-pciids' and 'sudo update-usbids' and then re-run the lspci and lsusb commands i provided earlier (and show their outputs again)
[11:52] <ninstaah> tomreyn: thanks - I am on it :)
[11:53] <tomreyn> Milonga: okay i don't think you're using the proprietary drivers then. if you want to use the proprietary ones you can install them using "ubuntu-drivers" on the command line or "additional drivers" from your desktop menu
[11:54] <tomreyn> Milonga: the easiest way to get to the graphical configuration utility is maybe to enter this in a terminal:  /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/software-properties-gtk --open-tab=4
[11:55] <tomreyn> Milonga: maybe show a screenshot of what it says there
[11:55] <Milonga> right, I'll give it a shot
[11:56] <Milonga> tomreyn: by the way, I used Nvidia's own installer for the driver.
[11:57] <tomreyn> Milonga: maybe thats why it doesnt work ;)
[11:57] <Milonga> :)
[11:59] <tomreyn> Milonga: if you want to dig deeper, also look at /var/log/Xorg.*.log (only those files that were written to today, use "ls -l /var/log/Xorg.*.log" to find out) and look for lines saying 'EE' or 'WW'
[12:00] <Milonga> tomreyn: The graphical configuration utility said I was using nouveau, so I switched just now to Nvidia's latest
[12:01] <tomreyn> Milonga: okay, you'll need to reboot then. if it doesn't work and you end up without a graphical desktop, do you know how to recover?
[12:01] <Milonga> tomreyn: I can google it on my phone if it comes to that
[12:02] <tomreyn> Milonga: either that or you could connect your phone to the chat and ask, or both. good luck.
[12:04] <ninstaah> tomreyn: I did what you adviced (here is lsmod: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25304303/ ) - running the lspci and lsusb only gave me the other NIC (cable)
[12:07] <tomreyn> ninstaah: hmm you have the iwlwifi kernel module (driver) loaded, this is a wireless driver. can you check which device uses it ("Kernel driver in use : iwfwifi") in "lspci -knn" output?
[12:08] <ninstaah> tomreyn: It is not loaded
[12:08] <ninstaah> tomreyn: I did a modprobe on it earlier, that might be the reason its loaded?
[12:08] <Milonga> tomreyn: There we go! The resolution is back to normal. Thanks a million!
[12:10] <ninstaah> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25304328/
[12:10] <tomreyn> ninstaah: yes, since 'cmoprobe X' loads kernel module 'X' that's probably why it is loaded ;)
[12:10] <tomreyn> ninstaah: yes, since 'modprobe X' loads kernel module 'X' that's probably why it is loaded ;)
[12:12] <ninstaah> tomreyn: right, sorry for misleading you a bit ;)
[12:13] <tomreyn> Milonga: welcome ;)
[12:13] <tomreyn> ninstaah: that's okay, i could have asked
[12:13] <SkyLord12345> Hello!/window 1
[12:13] <tomreyn> ninstaah: so you ran the update-... commands i pointe dout?
[12:13] <ninstaah> yeah, snapshot thingy and usb update
[12:13] <tomreyn> ninstaah: can i see the lsusb and lspci -knnv outouts again then?
[12:14] <ninstaah> sure sure
[12:14] <ninstaah> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25304342/
[12:15] <tomreyn> ninstaah: i'm not sure whether this is the very hardware you have (i bet there are several different intel NUCs with different components requiring different drivers) but the generic hint for a firmware update might be a good one:  https://askubuntu.com/questions/651462/wifi-connection-not-working-with-intel-nuc-wireless-ac-7620
[12:17] <tomreyn> i guess your wireless hides behind "00:16.0 Communication controller [0780]: Intel Corporation 8 Series HECI #0 [8086:9c3a] (rev 04)"
[12:18] <ninstaah> tomreyn: right, but I dont understand what the point of your link is?
[12:18] <tomreyn> ninstaah: i'm suggesting to follow the instructions provided there to carry out a firmware upgrade, then reboot, which may help linux detect the right hardware
[12:19] <tomreyn> ninstaah: actually, there are no instructions for upgrading the bios there, it just says that you should, sorry
[12:20] <ninstaah> tomreyn: oh, no problem at all
[12:20] <tomreyn> so, yes, other than pointing this out the link was mostly useless
[12:21] <ninstaah> The BIOS is updated and this fine little NUC have had CentOS, Proxmox (ubuntu?) and Win8 on it without problems.
[12:21] <tomreyn> ninstaah: so wireless worked on centos ?
[12:22] <ninstaah> tomreyn: I appreciate your efforts
[12:22] <ninstaah> Yeah
[12:22] <ninstaah> 7.3 minimal
[12:22] <tomreyn> ninstaah: which ubuntu release do you have installed ther enow?
[12:22] <ninstaah> 17.04
[12:22] <ninstaah> budgie
[12:22] <tomreyn> (sorry if i asked before)
[12:24] <ninstaah> tomreyn: no worries, I just appriciate your help
[12:24] <tomreyn> can you try to find out the exact NUC model?
[12:24] <tomreyn> that would enable us to check its specifications, which would enable us to identify the correct driver
[12:25] <ninstaah> tomreyn:  D34010WYK
[12:25] <ninstaah> no
[12:25] <tomreyn> "no"?
[12:25] <ninstaah> I will take a screwdriver and check what card I put in the nuc
[12:25] <ninstaah> It's not a premade/bundle
[12:26] <tomreyn> oh its an addon-card, ok. also, you can check /var/log/syslog for any messages regarding the wifi
[12:27] <tomreyn> maybe what you installed there is just not compatible
[12:31] <ninstaah> tomreyn: Someone has stolen my wifi, lol!
[12:31] <tomreyn> the latest bios version for this discontinued intel product is WYLPT10H.86A version 0045
[12:31] <tomreyn> ninstaah: that might explain why it's not detected by ubuntu
[12:31] <tomreyn> maybe try centos again? ;)
[12:32] <ninstaah> haha, well It had a wifi card back then
[12:32] <ninstaah> It was used for a dev/lab task at work - someone might needed a wifi card for a laptop or whatever
[12:32] <tomreyn> i trust you there. so you're using this like an IoT device and leave it unattended in thepublic?
[12:33] <tomreyn> i see
[12:33] <ninstaah> Oh well, I am very sorry about wasting your time
[12:33] <ninstaah> Hopefully I provided you with a good laugh ;)
[12:33] <tomreyn> it's okay ;)
[12:33] <tomreyn> you sure did! a relieving laugh, too
[12:34] <arun007> !help
[12:36] <ninstaah> tomreyn: Yeah, me too actually - thank you so much anyway and have a great day! I'm out :)
[12:36] <tomreyn> you, too
[13:15] <SkyLord12345> Oh, from mornini today i have sex with notify-osd. Install old-style notification-daemon which parse html, but where is setting for position?
[13:24] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:28] <harut> Hi
[14:29] <harut> Hi, I'm having trouble with background apps showing up in the panel on Ubuntu 17.04
[14:29] <harut> Pushbullet, Gmail notifyer etc. are apparently working but the icon doesn't appear
[14:31] <harut> nm there's a workaround
[14:31] <MonkeyDust> harut  glad i could help
[14:32] <harut> do you have a better workaround besides the XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP thing?
[14:50] <CarlFK> I am sshed into a box.  I need it's display on to test it's hdmi output.  how do I wake up the screen saver ?
[14:53] <MonkeyDust> CarlFK  try with 'xdotool' ... xdotool click 1 (that's the number one, not the letter l)
[15:01] <madmanonmeds> I have ubuntu on a m5a99fx asus motherboard and the boot time is bad slow how do you check your hardware, the drivers
[15:01] <CarlFK> MonkeyDust: command not found - what package is it in?
[15:03] <geirha> !info xdotool
[15:04] <CarlFK> geirha: thanks .. I'll swear I tried that...
[15:05] <MonkeyDust> CarlFK  sudo apt install xdotool
[15:06] <MonkeyDust> madmanonmeds  try this http://paste.ubuntu.com/25305275/
[15:14] <madmanonmeds> invalid option on sudo
[15:14] <madmanonmeds> I don't know
[15:15] <MonkeyDust> madmanonmeds  what's the outcome of   cat /etc/issue
[15:17] <madmanonmeds> no file or directory
[15:18] <gabrielc> madmanonmeds: lsb_release -a
[15:19] <madmanonmeds> gabrielc: in the terminal
[15:19] <gabrielc> madmanonmeds: yes
[15:21] <madmanonmeds> no command lsb found
[15:21] <MonkeyDust> madmanonmeds  mind the underscore _
[15:22] <MonkeyDust> madmanonmeds  it's lsb_release -a
[15:22] <madmanonmeds> ok
[15:24] <madmanonmeds> no lsb modules are available
[15:24] <SkyLord12345> cat /etc/lsb-release
[15:25] <MonkeyDust> madmanonmeds  never used the terminal before?
[15:26] <madmanonmeds> no such file or directory
[15:26] <madmanonmeds> not much
[15:26] <ikonia> then reinstall
[15:26] <ikonia> if you are missing all these files - your OS is not a solid ubuntu install
[15:27] <madmanonmeds> ok i figured that much
[15:28] <madmanonmeds> I am not that used to the terminal, graphical user
[15:29] <SkyLord12345> Welcome to CLI word!
[15:29] <SkyLord12345> world
[15:29] <madmanonmeds> cli?
[15:30] <SkyLord12345> command line interface
[15:30] <madmanonmeds> well I have it up next to hexchat
[15:31] <madmanonmeds> I need the pdf up also on CLI
[15:32] <SkyLord12345> use man pages. Type in console - man ls
[15:32] <SkyLord12345> man mc
[15:32] <SkyLord12345> type letter q to exit from man
[15:35] <madmanonmeds> man mc doesn't have a entry
[15:36] <ikonia> I suspect you don't have mc installed
[15:36] <ikonia> or the fact that you're missing other key files, your machine may have a broken install
[15:36] <madmanonmeds> what is it
[15:36] <ikonia> hence "re-install"
[15:36] <ikonia> mc = midnight commander, a shell driven file manager
[15:38] <madmanonmeds> well I have 14.04 on another selection in boot up, but that is the disk i have,will need to download a new one
[15:40] <madmanonmeds> anybody know how to boot a second installed system beside the current running one
[15:41] <ikonia> you need to reboot and either a.) boot from the disk with the other system on it b.) use grub to select the other install
[15:42] <madmanonmeds> no that is not what i wanted, I want to boot patation magic next to ubuntu
[15:42] <ikonia> you don't want to use partition magic
[15:42] <ikonia> what are you trying to achieve ?
[15:43] <madmanonmeds> to stay on line while I wipe drive a
[15:44] <ikonia> is drive a holding your current install ?
[15:44] <Neepu> Hi. is there any software, equivilant to this in the linux world? https://github.com/kaklakariada/portmapper
[15:44] <ikonia> Neepu: what is it ?
[15:44] <madmanonmeds> no that is in sdb
[15:45] <ikonia> madmanonmeds: then install gparted
[15:45] <ikonia> or at worst use the command line if possible
[15:45] <BluesKaj> parttion magic is dangerous
[15:45] <ikonia> but again - your OS is probably broken, so use a livecd
[15:45] <madmanonmeds> oh I could make a mess then
[15:47] <MonkeyDust> madmanonmeds  sometimes it's better to start over, rather than trying to repair things ... make you sure you have backups
[15:48] <madmanonmeds> thanks I will have to quit, download, burn, wipe, partition, and install bye for a while.
[15:49] <madmanonmeds> oh I almost forgot backup
[16:07] <madmanonmeds> backup backup
[16:09] <arunkumar413> Do we have a gui based utility to install Ubuntu on USB stick
[16:12] <ikonia> arunkumar413: usb stick is just a hard disk
[16:15] <mdh> do you need a full install or just live-cd mode from USB?
[16:15] <ikonia> there is no "livecd mode"
[16:15] <ikonia> you can insall how you see fit
[16:17] <arunkumar413> Full install
[16:18] <ikonia> then do a full install
[16:18] <ikonia> just be aware it will not perform as well as a hard disk
[16:22] <madmanonmeds> time to reboot
[16:22] <madmanonmeds> bye for the rest of the day
[16:29] <fraktor> So I still cannot boot from the USB media I'm trying to make. I've used a couple different burners, and I still get the error message that says "error: file '/boot/' not found."
[16:34] <tomreyn> fraktor: chances are your downloaded image is corrupt
[16:34] <tomreyn> !md5
[16:35] <obadz> to update from 14.04 → 16.04, is it sufficient to put in the right entries in sources.list and sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[16:36] <tomreyn> obadz: the official answer to this question is "no, use do-release-upgrade"
[16:36] <geirha> obadz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_14.04_LTS_or_15.10
[16:37] <obadz> do-release-upgrade is crashing, and I'm helping a friend remotely
[16:37] <obadz> he's getting these errors: https://askubuntu.com/questions/905481/not-getting-updates-from-update-manager-ubuntu-14-04/905629
[16:38] <fraktor> tomreyn: The hash matches up.
[16:38] <obadz> what will happen if he does dist-upgrade rather than do-release-upgrade?
[16:39] <melodie> is there someone talking/reading german here, who could tell me what a german review says : about a printer brand Epson, model EcoTank ET-4550? Here is the link, I'm very much interested to buy one (I can possibly get the VAT back + the 3 years warranty that's promoted until next year). Here is the link : http://www.linux-community.de/Internal/Artikel/Print-Artikel/LinuxUser/2016/01/Buero-Tanker
[16:40] <melodie> (and hello!)
[16:40] <melodie> darn Hexchat didn't register my nick and password, so I missed my first entry and fell into "#ubuntu-unregistered" :-[
[16:41] <tomreyn> obadz: dist-upgrade with unmodified sources.list is fine. with modifuied sources.list it's a problem., it would be much better to fix the problems he has now before trying to do a release upgrade.
[16:41] <obadz> melodie: google translate?
[16:41] <tomreyn> obadz: alternatively, he could ijust do a new install of 16.04
[16:41] <obadz> tomreyn: 'unmodified' ?
[16:42] <fraktor> Perhaps it's worth mentioning that I'm booting in UEFI mode, since I actually can't change to Legacy boot.
[16:42] <tomreyn> obadz: unmodified, as in: all APT sources pointing to trusty
[16:42] <melodie> obadz, I try Translate Google, but, you know how unreliable?
[16:43] <melodie> obadz, a German user would be better to tell me if they say it works fine under a linux box
[16:43] <obadz> tomreyn: right, if I regenate a fresh sources.list with everything pointing to xenial using https://repogen.simplylinux.ch/generate.php, shouldn't that work?
[16:44] <MonkeyDust> !de
[16:45] <melodie> if I land in a German chan I won't be able to write in German. This helps not
[16:48] <tomreyn> obadz: work, how? i already stated that the only supported upgrade-mechanism is do-release-upgrade.
[16:48] <obadz> tomreyn: this mechanism tells him his computer is up to date
[16:49] <MonkeyDust> melodie  maybe they are willing to answer in english
[16:49] <melodie> MonkeyDust, ok, I can give it a try, thanks
[16:51] <tomreyn> obadz: i'm sorry but i don't like to support by proxy, it's already complicated enough to explain things to people directly. if you could get the person here i'll be happy to help.
[17:13] <Dbugger> Hi hi
[17:16] <aloo_shu> Ho ho
[17:21] <aloo_shu> errrh, my weak point.I had my mum (or others) singing it out whenever there was no way around sheet music
[17:21] <aloo_shu> sorry, wrong cat tab
[17:21] <aloo_shu> chat tab
[17:21] <aloo_shu> gone
[17:38] <yrmy> How do I add an icon for my bash script on the launch bar? It currently is only a question mark.
[17:41] <gabrielc> yrmy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles
[18:13] <spearman17> hi I have a question regarding installing opencv on ubuntu 17.04 (because a code I am trying to run requires cv2). I have downloaded the opencv-2.4.9.tar.gz and unpackaged it. I have also run cmake on it. what should I do next to complete my installation?
[18:19] <tomreyn> spearman17: you probably want to run 'make' to build the binaries from source code. i would not install this way, though.
[18:21] <ikonia> spearman17: why would you not have read the install instructions
[18:21] <yrmy> I managed to add a icon to a program, but when I run it starts in another window and appears to not have an icon (question mark).
[18:21] <ikonia> and why would you not use the ubuntu package ?
[18:42] <fuser> Is it possible to "apt search" for two strings, both of which should be in the name of the package?
[18:43] <MonkeyDust> fuser  try with two grep's in the search
[18:44] <fuser> MonkeyDust: do you mean to pipe to grep?
[18:45] <tomreyn> fuser: apt-cache search --names-only '(something|somethingelse).*(something|somethingelse)'
[18:45] <MonkeyDust> fuser  yes, but rather use one string and one grep
[18:45] <fuser> alright
[18:51] <tomreyn> oh it's actually even easier. you can provide multiple arguments which are AND combined
[18:51] <tomreyn> so this works fine: apt-cache search --names-only 'somethingelse' 'something'
[18:51] <tomreyn> order doe snot matter
[20:19] <lordl> Hi! Could you help me with something? I am trying to connect to a SSH server through an executable file written in C. It is using libssh-0.1. The source code has a function from libssh-0.1 named "ssh_getopt" and I have a problem with it. When I try to execute I get this error message: "/usr/sbin/sshd: symbol lookup error: /usr/sbin/sshd: undefined symbol: ssh_getopt". How can I define that symbol?
[20:21] <MonkeyDust> lordl  i guess that question is more for a C channel
[20:21] <lordl> MonkeyDust, okay.
[20:24] <sammyg> do ssh clients support pasting?
[20:24] <oerheks> ctrl + shift  + V perhaps?
[20:24] <oerheks> as in gnome-terminal
[20:26] <fraktor> If you middle-click, it should just type that into the terminal, which would work over SSH. (I think.)
[20:26] <sammyg> this depends on the client or?
[20:26] <oerheks> yes, depends on the client i guess
[20:26] <sammyg> never mind, found it
[20:27] <sammyg> it's right click
[20:27] <oerheks> oke, no short-key?
[20:28] <sammyg> no, i'm using putty
[20:28] <sammyg> "putty's copy and paste works entirely with the mouse"
[20:29] <oerheks> it is good practice to mention putty right away, next time...
[20:31] <sammyg> yeah sorry about that, thanks though, oerheks
[20:31] <oerheks> have fun!
[20:35] <sammyg> is this where i put my web files in? /var/www?
[20:35] <sammyg> html, css, js, php, etc?
[20:36] <oerheks> Yes, that would be the 1st logical place.
[20:56] <Braden`> Hello!  I am using LibreOffice 5, and I am having a hard time getting my bullet points to appear the same size.  Has anyone ever encountered this problem?  I Google'd it (yes, as a verb), and it showed multiple methods of which none worked for me.  I would either end up with a bullet too big or too small (default bullets).  I need a size inbtetween.  Does anyone know how to accomplish this?
[21:04] <oerheks> Braden`, you might want to reask in #libreoffice too
[21:08] <oerheks> not sure what answer you got, Format>bullets & numbering (menu) should be the place to set that, but i don't see how?
[21:09] <oerheks> https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Adding_Bullets
[21:10] <[n0mad]> i don't really ever use it but i opened a doc and added a bullet list and they were all the same size
[21:10] <oerheks> There was an issue with saving as .odt or .doc , but that is fixed
[21:11] <smallfoot-> Why am I left with an old, outdated, insecure web browser?
[21:11] <oerheks> the libreoffice guys can surely answer this
[21:11] <smallfoot-> I am using Firefox 54 and it contains security vulnerabilites
[21:11] <smallfoot-> and Ubuntu have not given me the update to Firefox 55
[21:11] <oerheks> smallfoot-, firefox will be ready, soon.. it is just released, 3 days?
[21:11] <smallfoot-> what should do I do now that my Ubuntu system is open to hackers and terrorists?
[21:12] <smallfoot-> no its been released August 8
[21:12] <smallfoot-> its been well more than 3 days
[21:15] <oerheks> and it is holidaytime, so be patient. ( or join the firefox build team? )
[21:16] <gabrielc> smallfoot-: shut it down and disconnect it from the energy?
[21:16] <hggdh> smallfoot-: (1) restrict your usage; (2) disable javascript and java (if enabled); (3) do not go to unknown sites; (4) keep doing that even after upgrade
[21:18] <oerheks> or skip FF 55, go straight to 56 :-D
[21:18] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-next
[21:24] <oerheks> hmm lots of updates, chromium and a kernel..4.10.0.32
[21:47] <wombat140> Hello  :-)
[21:48] <glitsj16> Hi wombat
[21:48] <wombat140> I'm having trouble with changing a mouse cursor.  Anyone able to help?
[21:49] <wombat140> if you wouldn't mind.
[21:50] <oerheks> unity-tweak-tool is a handy tool for that, changing mousecursors and such
[21:51] <wombat140> You need to get a special tool just to change the cursor?  :-|
[21:52] <oerheks> wombat140, yes?
[21:53] <wombat140> I thought I'd found out how to do it, but it hasn't worked right.   :-P
[21:54] <oerheks> you *could* do it manually, but that requires logout/login AFAIK, see http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Install-New-Cursor-Themes-in-Ubuntu-466821.shtml
[21:55] <oerheks> or in terminal: sudo update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme
[21:55] <oerheks> but that gives no example preview
[21:57] <wombat140> Oh, I'm sorry, I've only just realised that I'm not supposed to be in here.
[21:58] <wombat140> I thought t was for Ubuntu in general.  It's hard to see the message from the Join Channel list.
[22:01] <wombat140> probably the answer mightn't even be the same in Zorin anyway.
[22:02] <wombat140> Thanks for trying, anyway!
[22:04] <wombat140> (the trouble was that I did do it manually, by excatly that method, but it's only showing the new cursor when the mouse is on the desktop and sometimes not then - in a window, it goes back to the old one.)
[22:05] <wombat140> (very odd.)
[22:06] <glitsj16> wombat140: probably you need to set the cursor theme for X as well, isn't all that odd..
[22:07] <oerheks> sudo update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme # this should work for you too
[22:07] <wombat140> Ah!  I'll try that.  I haven't yet understood what themes are, I have to admit.
[22:08] <oerheks> try it, you can always cancel it with ctrl + c
[22:09] <wombat140> Is that what ctrl+c does?  I noticed it's not how you copy text in the terminal.
[22:10] <wombat140> (excuse ignorance, I've only had Linux since Thursday!)
[22:21] <wombat140> ...Hmm.  It's not on the list; neither are a lot of the other folders in /usr/share/icons, although they definitely do contain cursors and I can't see any differnece between them and the ones that do appear.  Why might that be?
[22:35] <Barones> any linux tool to create topology network diagram?
[22:37] <kk4ewt> dia??
[22:37] <kk4ewt> \
[22:38] <nemo> Barones: yeh, what he said
[22:39] <nemo> Barones: searched on a whim, and looks like some madman out there used graphviz
[22:40] <nemo> https://itsecworks.com/2012/03/16/networking-topology-with-graphviz/
[22:40] <Barones> thanks, I'll check dia out
[22:40] <nemo> I've definitely used graphviz for tons of automated graphs, like the insanity that is our interdependencies in Hedgewars
[22:40] <nemo> but never thought to try that ☺
[22:57] <wombat140> Anyone on the cursor themes question?  Can update-alternatives only display up to 7 options, or something?
[22:59] <oerheks> that command gives all available cursor thems, ask in #zorin?
[22:59] <oerheks> zorin has its own issues i guess
[23:02] <wombat140> #ZorinOS has been deserted all day.  Just have to wait for someone to reply on their forum, I suppose.  Thanks for the help, I've learned something new, anyway!
[23:28] <Kiicki> Hi, I just did a fresh install of Ubuntu 14.0.3 and updated everything. I shared my "downloads" folder using samba. I made it writable and readable. I have another PC that runs Windows 10. I try to map the "downloads" folder to my Windows 10 which works, but it's not writable. I cannot edit or add anything. Is there something I forgot to do in Linux or is this a Windows issue? I also made it so everyone can access it
[23:28] <Kiicki> with samba.
[23:45] <betamarine> hey can anyone read this?
[23:46] <Sveta> hi yes betamarine :)
[23:46] <betamarine> thanks Sveta !
[23:47] <Sveta> no worries betamarine :)
[23:49] <Kiicki> I'm sure that Samba worked flawless before. Like 2 months ago probably. I gave it another shot today and "writable" just doesn't work
[23:59] <metalbiker> can anybody tell me why i'm not able to install gnome tweaks yet? i've been trying to install it for a while and it keeps saying that it can't find the repositories. i'm really missing my extensions.