[05:56] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[07:11] <enick_997> Good morning
[07:51] <EriC^^> morning all
[07:55] <lordievader> Hey EriC^^
[07:55] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[07:55] <EriC^^> lordievader: hey, good thanks, you?
[07:56] <lordievader> Doing allright here :)
[07:56] <EriC^^> :)
[10:59] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:07] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj
[11:07] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[11:07] <BluesKaj> Hi lordievader, fine here, and you?
[11:07] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[11:49] <ducasse> hi all
[11:54] <BluesKaj> hey ducasse
[11:59] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj - everything well?
[12:03] <ducasse> 4 more days until the dark tower premiere - happy-happy, joy-joy!
[12:03] <BluesKaj> fine here ducasse, and you?
[12:05] <ducasse> all well :) thinking about going out and do some yard work while the weather is good.
[12:08] <BluesKaj> now that the rain has stopped, and the lawn is finally dry I can finally mow the grass , it's very shaggy after a week of rain
[12:11] <ducasse> the forecast says 3+ days of nonstop rain are coming up, so it's probably a good idea to do it now
[12:13] <ducasse> going out, bbl
[17:59] <nicomachus> anyone wanna do me a favor?
[18:00] <nicomachus> Looking for anyone that has -old-dkms kernel files in /boot, and need to know which version of Ubuntu is removing them and which isn't (if any)
[18:01] <nicomachus> There are some interesting things going on... background here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/616512/purging-old-kernels-fails-to-remove-old-initrd-files/647311?noredirect=1#comment1503157_647311 in that first reply and the comments on it. I am @portugalthephilosoph there
[18:07] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Think'n . /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal introduced with the 3.13 kernel ??
[18:10] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Nope, vivid : http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/apt/vivid/revision/193/debian/apt.conf.autoremove#debian/apt.conf.autoremove .
[18:11] <nicomachus> Bashing-om: I'm not sure, the fix to remove those files was supposedly not in dkms version 2.2.0.3-1.1, which is the current version for xenial.
[18:12] <nicomachus> Bashing-om: that still doesn't seem to handle the old-dkms files.
[18:13] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: I would not try to appky it to older kernels . I do not have any idea of all the hooks that the scripts call when autoremove is invoked .
[18:15] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: ' dpkg -l dkms ' >> 2.2.0.3-2ubu all in updated xenial .
[18:16] <nicomachus> hmmm... 'dpkg -l dkms' here gives 'dpkg-query: no packages found matching dkms'. that's nice.
[18:18] <nicomachus> and 'dkms --version' gives: The program 'dkms' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing sudo apt install dkms
[18:18] <nicomachus> what
[18:18] <nicomachus> now I'm really confused.
[18:22] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Depending on what needs dkms ( display drivers ! ), might be good to install the dkms package .
[18:25] <nicomachus> I'm just wondering how I don't have it... and when that happened.
[18:25] <nicomachus> I know I did at one point.
[18:25] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Hosed up nvidia driver install ?
[18:27] <nicomachus> No nvidia drivers on this laptop.... just integrated intel graphics. My home HTPC, which also no longer has the dkms package, is running the radeon driver.
[18:32] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Maybe now it is a nvidia requiremnt only ?? see: ' spt show dkms ' . Strange here that Dell owns the rights ? " Homepage: http://linux.dell.com/dkms" wow ?
[18:32] <daftykins> O_O
[18:47] <BluesKaj> Bashing-om, https://github.com/dell/dkms/blob/master/dkms
[18:50] <BluesKaj> interesting that it can be freely distributed and mofified under the free software foundation, almost seems like a contradiction when there's a copyright on it
[18:51] <nicomachus> Bashing-om: yea, I'm on a Dell laptop though. So I figured it would be kinda necessary here....
[18:54] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: Let me go back and look at your post . I will say that I have a 3.19 kernel that is installed in 17.04 ( upgrade) that autoremove will not touch .
[18:55] <nicomachus> Bashing-om: I deleted a few comments there with logs and added that dkms was removed my machines at some point.
[18:58] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: In BluesKaj's link is a hint as to why " Requires bash 3 or above." .
[18:59] <nicomachus> LOL, this is interesting: https://askubuntu.com/questions/938606/dwarf-fortress-starting-during-apt-get-upgrade
[19:03] <daftykins> :>
[19:08] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: I can buy thge 'df' explanation . As I say I have no idea of all the hooks that are called; but for sure all have to be valid ones .
[19:09] <nicomachus> I just love that someone actually came up with a solution to explain it.
[19:10] <daftykins> it is quite impressive to connect the dots
[19:10] <daftykins> and also shows a knowledge of just how lazy users are
[19:13] <Bashing-om> daftykins: But, only inquiring minds want to know :)
[19:27] <oerheks> can one call this a vulnerability?
[19:27] <oerheks> this is just 1 example, df
[19:28] <daftykins> nah, everything can be alias'd wrong and cause drama
[19:29] <oerheks> is an alias check part of clamav?
[19:30] <daftykins> no idea :>
[19:30] <daftykins> all AV is a joke :D
[19:31] <oerheks> if not run from a live-iso, sure.