[07:17] <Oli> Urgh, such an Americanised wrapper. And I'm not sure they're Europe's favoUrite. They might have the numbers but only because every cafe in France doles them out with a cuppa.
[07:19] <Oli> Oh this is a rebranded Speculoos? I take it all back.
[07:57] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:49] <foobarry> =/me wave
[08:49]  * foobarry wave
[08:49]  * SuperMatt particle
[08:55] <MooDoo> howdy all
[09:03] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:04] <MooDoo> Hello brobostigon
[09:05] <brobostigon> hello MooDoo
[09:06] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mukka
[09:12] <MooDoo> hello davmor2 howdy tricks?   brobostigon howdy :D
[09:12] <brobostigon> :)
[09:48] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:49] <MooDoo> howdy czajkowski :)
[09:52] <czajkowski> MooDoo: hows things?
[09:53] <MooDoo> czajkowski: yeah ok thanks, how's your good self....and speak up it's a bit noisy in here ;)
[09:57] <czajkowski> been a bit busy recently but always on here even if I don't say much
[09:57] <czajkowski> getting ready for crazy travel season in september
[10:00] <MooDoo> safe journeys :)
[10:24] <czajkowski> RAT doodle time https://beta.doodle.com/poll/drwv3c2pwcqs33ny
[13:16] <foobarry> man i hate pinterest
[13:16] <foobarry> requiring a login to see stuff
[13:17] <SuperMatt> The worst part about it is that it's kinda creating a protection racket for the internet
[13:17] <SuperMatt> I used to be able to google a term, and the image I wanted was the first one
[13:17] <SuperMatt> Now it's moved down a couple of pages because all the other results are just pinterest
[13:19] <zmoylan-pi> what! you didn't install the app and create an account to see if the image is what you wanted?!
[13:19] <foobarry> and those pinterest links are just taken from other sites
[13:19] <foobarry> when you add something to pinterest, they prefer that you don't upload oringinal content but link from other sites
[13:19] <zmoylan-pi> and pinterest is a bit broken atm.  having trouble logging in on desktop and mobile over last few weeks
[13:19] <foobarry> they make it much more of a faff to keep oringinal content there
[13:22] <diddledan> SuperMatt: that's a very pertinent thought about the way we're getting walled-off areas of the tinternet
[13:22] <diddledan> the same is happening with news going behind paywalls
[13:22] <zmoylan-pi> that's been happening pre web with the likes of aol and compuserv
[13:23] <SuperMatt> It's partly our own fault. We want free content, but nothing comes for free. We can either have ads, or we can pay for what we want
[13:23] <diddledan> "human knowledge belong to the world" and "this is the real  world. and in the real world when you kill people they die. for real."
[13:24] <foobarry> in other news i boguht GTA V
[13:25] <popey> :)
[13:25] <popey> I haven't played that for ages
[13:25] <foobarry> i'm still playing skyrim though
[13:25] <foobarry> the language in GATA is eye watering
[13:25] <SuperMatt> I've gone off games
[13:25] <popey> I'm mostly playing Rust recently
[13:25] <SuperMatt> but now my wife is away for a week, and I don't know what I'm going to do with myself
[13:26] <foobarry> i wish you could turn it off. i basically have to have the sound off
[13:26] <diddledan> rust as in a game or rust as in programming?
[13:26] <popey> Game
[13:26] <SuperMatt> rustlang can eat my shorts. I'm a go daddy
[13:26] <diddledan> :-D
[13:26] <diddledan> I like that, go daddy
[13:26] <SuperMatt> I just made it up
[13:27] <SuperMatt> recruiters are loving seeing go on my cv
[13:27] <diddledan> \o/
[13:28] <diddledan> I've only written one whole thing in go: github.com/bowlhat/sftp-deploy - it uses a couple other packages that I wrote to wrap the ssh client and stuff but they were all written specifically for that prog
[13:28] <SuperMatt> I've written a few things
[13:29] <MooDoo> :)
[13:29] <SuperMatt> https://github.com/SuperMatt/mlog - a simple logging library, https://github.com/SuperMatt/pulllist - a tool to list all the comics DC are releasing this week, https://github.com/SuperMatt/tubestatus - the current london underground status
[13:29] <SuperMatt> That's all the stuff I can release on my github page, because I do have things I've written for work
[13:31] <SuperMatt> Although this isn't written in go, it's my crowning glory: https://github.com/SuperMatt/countdown
[13:31] <SuperMatt> also accessible here: https://matty.digital/countdown/
[14:15] <ali1234> hey popey, i listened to that "ready steady code" podcast the other day. is the code they wrote released anywhere?
[14:54]  * Gargoyle waves
[15:28] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[15:40] <diddledan> coooeeeyyy!
[15:40] <diddledan> (that's a local way of saying "yooohooo")
[15:54] <popey> flexiondotorg: see question from ali1234 .. where did the code get put?
[15:54]  * flexiondotorg is a bad man.
[15:54] <popey> i thought we'd put it on the podcast github repo
[15:54] <popey> but can't find it
[15:54] <flexiondotorg> I'll fix that later.
[15:54] <popey> kk
[15:55] <flexiondotorg> Not in out GitHub yet. It will appear, as if by magic, here later - https://github.com/ubuntupodcast/
[15:55] <flexiondotorg> *our
[15:55] <popey> ali1234: hows the pi stuff going? Got any more hardware projects on the go? (I use those usb adapters daily)
[15:58] <ali1234> thanks
[15:58] <ali1234> i'm working on software stuff at the moment
[15:58] <ali1234> the goal is a ramdisk-based firmware with Qt and gstreamer, for kiosk stuff
[15:59] <ali1234> i just rebased it on stretch and found a mountain of bugs
[16:00] <ali1234> i keep seeing stuff about snap for embedded, but it doesn't work for me due to being too big, and not working on the pi zero
[16:03] <ali1234> on the hardware side i built this: https://goo.gl/photos/FGiXMqUoBpsMvPYn9
[16:03] <ali1234> that's one possible target for the ramdisk stuff, since it's liable to be powered off anytime
[16:04] <popey> that's jolly cute
[16:04] <ali1234> it involves some custom SLA printing from dirty pcb
[16:04] <ali1234> it's really amazing what you can get made in china these days
[16:05] <popey> yeah
[16:05] <Seeker`> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLxWsYx8dbo SpaceX launch in 25 minutes
[16:06] <popey> ooh ta
[16:06] <popey> is this the hp linux super computer one?
[16:06] <ali1234> i got two of these for $2.50 each with free shipping: https://goo.gl/photos/qccBiWb3m2rpsgcs8 (it's the light guide that goes on the front)
[16:06] <Seeker`> popey: think so
[16:07] <popey> ali1234: 3d printed at home?
[16:07] <ali1234> no in china :)
[16:07] <popey> hah
[16:07] <popey> for pennies?
[16:07] <ali1234> yeah... and home printers can't print in anywhere near that resolution
[16:07] <diddledan> nasatv are doing it too: https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/#public
[16:07] <ali1234> it's SLA, so lasers and liquid resin, not the "squirt melted plastic out of a nozzle" stuff
[16:08]  * diddledan squirts liquid resin at ali1234 
[16:08] <popey> ahh
[16:08] <diddledan> :-p
[16:08] <diddledan> that's a cute lil clocky thing tho
[16:09] <ali1234> i just uploaded a STL made in openscad and got the prints in the mail a couple of weeks later
[16:09] <popey> guess it's more than just a clock
[16:09] <popey> how many for how much?
[16:09] <popey> if you dont mind me asking
[16:09] <ali1234> for the prints?
[16:09] <popey> ya
[16:09] <ali1234> two for $2.50 each
[16:09] <popey> shipped?
[16:09] <ali1234> yes, free shipping
[16:09] <diddledan> that's crazy cheap
[16:09] <popey> sheesh
[16:10] <ali1234> actually it might have been like $2.25 each and $0.50 shipping or something, i forget :)
[16:10] <diddledan> they must have made a loss
[16:10] <ali1234> it's ridiculously cheap anyway
[16:11] <popey> their costs are super low
[16:11] <ali1234> there's no wasted resin with SLA, you just top up the tank
[16:11] <ali1234> they charge by weight of the finished print
[16:11] <ali1234> which the website calculates
[16:12] <diddledan> really awesome
[16:12]  * diddledan tries to think of things to get printed
[16:13] <ali1234> at the moment it really is just a clock, but you can add eg an audio board and make a upnp music player or something
[16:13] <ali1234> which is why i'm working on gstreamer in a ramdisk :)
[16:15] <popey> my latest toy is a nanopi air, which is super tiny
[16:15] <ali1234> rpi has all the cool hardware tho, that's the problem
[16:16] <ali1234> all the clock hardware is pimoroni stuff
[16:16] <ali1234> just hats stacked together
[16:17] <ali1234> it wouldn't be nearly as nice if it was a bunch of different sized boards cobbled together... but that's all it really is
[16:18] <popey> i wanted something smaller but more powerful than the pizero
[16:18] <popey> also, toy
[16:19] <ali1234> you mean, something with ARMv7 right? ;)
[16:19] <popey> :D
[16:19] <popey> a bit of that, yes :)
[16:21] <ali1234> whats the gpu like in nanopi?
[16:21] <popey> dunno, only used it over serial console so far
[16:21] <ali1234> i really like the videocore gpu
[16:22] <ali1234> it works great with Qt through their proprietary drivers, it's as smooth as using an iphone
[16:22] <popey> wow
[16:22] <ali1234> if you write QML stuff, the animations are perfect
[16:22] <ali1234> this is using EGLFS, so no bloated X11
[16:23] <ali1234> really nice with their 7" touch display for rss reader or photo frame type stuff
[16:24] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGyPXc5nbNo
[16:25] <popey> nice
[16:25] <ali1234> about 14 out of the 15 seconds it takes to boot are spent loading the initrd from the sd card and uncompressing it
[16:27] <ali1234> total size is 66MB compressed
[16:29] <ali1234> also it's pure systemd... i loooove systemd now
[16:29] <popey> hahah
[16:29] <popey> was there ever any doubt?
[16:29] <popey> (you don't need to answer that)
[16:29] <ali1234> well i never really hated it
[16:30] <diddledan> I used to be in the "why?" camp
[16:30] <ali1234> yeah
[16:30] <diddledan> I'm not in the "pretty useful" camp
[16:30] <ali1234> but, like, now i understand
[16:30] <diddledan> now*
[16:30] <diddledan> I'm now in the "pretty useful" camp
[16:31] <ali1234> 1 minute to rocket liftoff if anyone wants to watch that :)
[16:31] <diddledan> flaming phaluses
[16:31] <popey> already on second screen :)
[16:31] <popey> great having that on in the background
[16:31] <popey> weird that it's so commonplace now that it's just on as background noise here
[16:31] <popey> smooth as silk
[16:32] <diddledan> I remember watching the last spacex to explode on launch live
[16:32] <popey> i dont think I have ever seen them explode live
[16:32] <ali1234> was just thinking it will be weird whwen they launch so often that nobody cares to even bother streaming it
[16:32] <diddledan> looking good
[16:32] <popey> 1000 km/h is insane
[16:33] <diddledan> I believe this is a reused first sstage, too
[16:33] <popey> i love the landings
[16:33] <popey> is it landing on boat or land?
[16:34] <diddledan> they blow my mind
[16:34] <diddledan> on land by the sounds of the commentary
[16:34] <diddledan> going back to the cape
[16:35] <popey> my kids are already blasé about it
[16:35] <diddledan> wow. epic view of the separation
[16:35] <popey> same with when the ISS goes over
[16:36] <popey> aside from the whole 'thing going into space and coming back' there's the fact we can watch this in pretty decent quality video
[16:36] <diddledan> those direction control thrusters are showing up well on the distance view of the first stage
[16:36] <popey> it's all a bit mind blowing
[16:36] <popey> douglas adams was right
[16:38] <popey> looks like it's properly plummeting like a rock
[16:39] <diddledan> it looks out of control
[16:39] <popey> amazing
[16:40] <diddledan> wow, that was good
[16:41] <diddledan> I wonder how much AI learning is being tasked to constantly improve the landing procedure
[16:41] <popey> the presenter seems quite happy
[16:42] <popey> i think he introduced himself as a firmware engineer
[16:42] <popey> must be a tense time
[16:44] <Seeker`>  this is insane, watching live video from space
[17:54] <zmoylan-pi> i think when they were tweeting from marianas trench it was cooler imho
[18:45]  * diddledan sings: hey mr. tallynadger, show me your banana.
[18:46] <diddledan> ..daylight come, and me wanna go home.
[18:49] <zmoylan-pi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMigXnXMhQ4
[18:49] <zmoylan-pi> i canna find the comedy version though... :-(
[18:51] <zmoylan-pi> ah ha... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-9h1pjTP74
[21:51] <daftykins> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40927791
[21:51] <daftykins> this story doesn't sit well with me
[22:03] <diddledan> it's gonna give cyclists a bad rep when in reality he's just a moron
[22:05] <daftykins> well the comments saying that brakes would've solved it is also rubbish
[22:05] <zmoylan-pi> usually when a cyclist is a moron it's their own life they throw away.  this muppet will go to jail and this crime will follow him for the rest of his life
[22:06] <daftykins> muppet for riding a fixie, or another element?
[22:06] <daftykins> certainly posting to a forum about it is a bit iffy
[22:09] <Gargoyle> Don't see why it's gone to trial!?
[22:09] <zmoylan-pi> 1) muppet for riding a non legal bike
[22:10] <zmoylan-pi> comments on forum won't help his case
[22:10] <daftykins> never heard anything about legality to fixies on the road before o0
[22:11] <zmoylan-pi> i think they do have you need front brakes thing, saw it mentioned a while back in some forum
[22:12] <diddledan> what's the stopping distance for a well maintained bicycle going 20mph, I wonder
[22:12] <daftykins> tonnes of variables there
[22:12] <zmoylan-pi> depends if it's wet/dry/gutter filled with leaves
[22:12] <daftykins> type of brake, whether the bike has both or not...
[22:12] <Gargoyle> "In the case of a pure pedal cycle (no electrical assistance) these regulations are so simple, that the only parts that matter are the brakes."
[22:12] <zmoylan-pi> weight of bike, speed
[22:13] <Gargoyle> "The basic requirement is for two efficient braking systems, by which the front wheel (or wheels) can be braked independently of the rear wheel (or wheels). "
[22:13] <daftykins> what are you quoting from?
[22:13] <Gargoyle> http://www.cyclinguk.org/cyclists-library/regulations/construction-use
[22:13] <zmoylan-pi> 90% of the time i put on the brakes, put both feet on the ground and lifted front wheel.  lots of sparks, lots of skidding. stopped fast
[22:13] <diddledan> when are we gonna get self-cycling bicycles like the google cars
[22:15] <daftykins> ;)
[22:15] <diddledan> remove all humans from the equation and you're set :-p
[22:15] <zmoylan-pi> till the robot rebellion...
[22:15] <daftykins> rise of the cycling machines
[22:15] <zmoylan-pi> on that day, stay away from the dildo factory... :-P
[22:16] <diddledan> vibrated to death!
[22:17] <diddledan> what's that series of films where there are gruesome deaths by robotic saws and stuff?
[22:17] <daftykins> Saw? :P
[22:19] <diddledan> I think it's called "hardware"
[22:19] <daftykins> with Tim the toolman Taylor? :D
[22:20] <diddledan> nope, screamers!
[22:20] <diddledan> it was screamers
[22:20] <diddledan> hardware is similar tho
[22:20] <diddledan> maybe nsfw trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WksPMueXkP4
[22:23] <zmoylan-pi> meh, i'll stick with tremors...
[22:24] <Gargoyle> I think you have issues with large vibrating things! ;-)
[23:55] <diddledan> WEEEEEEE
[23:55] <zmoylan-pi> have a nice split?
[23:56] <daftykins> g'night \o
[23:56] <diddledan> splitter
[23:56] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[23:56] <diddledan> :-p