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OneM_LaptopSo, I'm having a bit of an issue with wifi on a new install of lubuntu 16.04.01:01
tsimonq2OneM_Laptop: What's the problem? :)01:02
OneM_LaptopIt displays the connecting icon for a couple seconds, then "Disconnected, you are now offline shows".01:02
OneM_LaptopThe wifi dongle I'm using is a bog-standard realtek rtl8188cus type, so if I'm correct, drivers shouldn't be an issue.01:04
OneM_LaptopDue to the location of the computer, ethernet is not an option for getting it working.01:04
OneM_LaptopAny ideas?01:06
tsimonq2!realtek01:07
ubottusome help for recent Realtek chipsets can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/RealtekRTL8187b01:07
tsimonq2idk, the bot is smart XD01:07
tsimonq2OneM_Laptop: That *might* help ^^^^^01:07
OneM_LaptopOk. Thank you!01:11
mahdiHi05:26
mahdiCan I get some help here?05:26
hateball!ask | mahdi05:27
ubottumahdi: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience05:27
mahdiI want to install lubuntu core, minimum installation. I followed this page : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall   but at the end I ended up with Ubuntu 16.10 fully installed. Can someone help me with that?05:29
mahdiI downloaded Ubuntu 16.10 "Yakkety Yak" and booted from cd , followed the instructions.05:30
hateballmahdi: well to begin with, 16.10 is EOL05:47
hateballmahdi: so use either 16.04 or 17.0405:47
hateballmahdi: and to get core, you need to download the minimal iso first https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD05:49
hateballand once that is installed, apt install lubuntu-core05:49
Unit193I would consider installing the task instead, and Lubuntu desktop doesn't install recommends by default, so may want to consider that too.05:51
KamilionAnyone got a copy of UMR 16.04 still around? The site's gone and I can't find any mirrors.06:37
LioneLLUMR ?06:45
Kamilionubuntu-mini-remix.06:46
mahdiThanks hateball and Unit193 . about the task you mentioned. can you provide a link?07:10
Kamilionhttps://askubuntu.com/a/676469/34655407:12
Kamilionolder xenial images will have a broken tasksel. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tasksel/+bug/1530397 for details.07:13
Kamilionthat's only for alternate installs using d-i though.07:14
Kamilionthe minimal image is considered an alternate install, since it uses d-i and not ubiquity.07:15
Kamiliond-i is debian-installer.07:15
Kamilionthe text-based installer.07:15
Kamilionin general, the minimal CD is more for doing netboot style installations where you don't need/want the target machine to grab a 600+MB ISO. IPXE is quite happy to slowly load 55MB into memory, takes a minute or two. 600MB at half a meg a second is going to take twenty minutes to load.07:16
Unit193Bug 153039707:21
* Unit193 taps on ubottu.07:21
Kamilionif all you're looking for is lubuntu-core, you can grab https://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-core/releases/download/0.9.0-rc6/lubuntu-core-amd64-16.04.iso07:23
Kamiliongenerated as part of kamikazi-0.9.0-RC6's build process. https://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-core/releases/tag/0.9.0-rc607:23
Kamilion580 megs, no apps, media libraries, or physical printer support.07:24
KamilionPDF printing is still available. Firefox has been replaced with qupzilla, relying on the existing QT libraries.07:24
Kamilionif qupzilla and QT are removed, that'll shave another hundred megs off.07:25
Kamilionbut a desktop without a viable browser is kind of... not useful.07:25
Kamilionguess mahdi isn't paying attention anymore.07:26
mahdiThanks Kamilion.07:34
Kamilionsure.07:35
Kamilionhttps://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-core/tree/master/buildscripts/xenial  02-purgelist through 05-purgelist declare which packages were removed from the ISO.07:36
mahdiMy purpose is to have a minimal linux to run ffmpeg for encoding video. I have thin client with a not much strong processor. So I want to use most of it's strength for encoding process not the os itself.07:36
Kamilionyep, likewise, Xen prefers a minimal environment.07:37
KamilionNot that 980MB is exactly minimal; but it's certainly smaller than an on-disk installation07:37
mahdiand also this thin client is going to use a power bank to run, so I need to use less energy as I can.07:37
Kamilionif you really need to remaster the disc image, you can do the same as I did07:37
Kamilionhttps://github.com/kamilion/customizer07:38
Kamilionopen it up in customizer, change the packages, repack into an .iso again.07:38
mahdiOk thanks again. Can I have your mail address if I needed any help?07:40
Kamilionit's not listed on https://github.com/kamilion ?07:41
Kamilionyeah, it's there. Left hand sidebar, under location, above website link.07:41
mahdiYep it is07:41
Kamilionhttps://launchpad.net/~kamilion has my PGP keys if you sign mail.07:42
mahdiI need just support for usb webcam and ffmpeg07:42
Kamilion... then why are you even bothering with a desktop... or even ubuntu in general?07:42
KamilionShouldn't you use something like alpine or something?07:42
mahdiWhat do you propose?07:43
Kamilionlast I knew that's what all the crazy docker container stuff was using for the smallest containers.07:43
Kamilionhttps://alpinelinux.org/07:43
mahdiI'll take a look at it and will be back. Thanks indeed07:44
Kamilionhttps://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?name=ffmpeg&branch=&repo=&arch=&maintainer=07:44
Kamilionusb webcam will be a kernel module, specifically the UVC driver.07:44
Kamilionhttp://www.ideasonboard.org/uvc/07:46
KamilionArch's wiki generally has the best dump of data reguarding hardware devices07:46
Kamilionhttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/webcam_setup07:46
Kamilionmodprobe uvcvideo should be good enough.07:46
Kamilionunless it's not a uvc camera, in which case, you're kinda screwed. Better to use something like a raspberry pi in that case, and just hook up the 8 megapixel camera.07:47
mahdiRaspberry Pi just has 1GB memory. I think i need more than that.07:48
mahdiso in your opinion which version of alpinelinux I should use?07:49
mahdiit has standard, extended and ...07:50
Kamilionhuh, I've never had a problem, even with 512MB.07:50
mahdiencoding to x265 is memory extensive. Is it possible to increase rasperry pi memory?07:51
Kamilion... oh. No wonder. H.265 barely has any hardware support.07:51
KamilionI invoke the hardware h.264 encoder instead.07:52
* Kamilion shrugs07:52
mahdii'm afraid they're pretty expensive07:52
Kamiliondunno, I've never used alpine.07:52
Kamilionbut yeah, if you're using the CPU to encode h.265, you're stuck on a PC07:53
KamilionARM probably ain't gonna cut it in that kind of power envelope07:53
mahdimy requirements does not include an HD video07:53
Kamilionthat's straight up Atom/Celeron/APU territory07:54
Kamiliondoesn't matter07:54
Kamilionany CPU encoding is going to be hell07:54
Kamilionand it's pretty much only amd64 and armeabi-v7a have optimizations07:54
KamilionEverything else just uses the hardware encoder on most embedded system on chip devices.07:55
Kamilionwhich limits you to h.264. h.265 doesn't even really give much of an advantage at resolutions below ED (720p) or HD (1080p), it can bitpack a little tighter and bucket data differently. The additional macroblocking defines also help, but they're the primary reason why it's so expensive to encode.07:56
Kamilionso if you're just streaming 1.3mpix; you might consider using the hardware encoder to save tons of power, especally if you're running off a battery bank, as you say.07:57
KamilionThe largest of those that I'm aware of is about 20 amphours at 5V; anything beyond that stops being a battery bank and becomes a car jumpstart pack (with free USB port!)07:57
mahdiI need to encode SD video ( 720x576)07:58
Kamilionor specificially engineered for a higher voltage like 19V07:58
mahdiYes I'm using energizer xp18000 which has 19V output07:58
Kamilionyeah, that doesn't really have enough pixels in it to really make use of the 64x64 macroblocking that h.265 enables... and you're not really going to see a huge difference between that and h.264's 4x4 macroblocks.07:59
Kamilionwhich embedded board are you currently prototyping with?07:59
Kamilionthe closest one I know of that would probably do CPU encoding of h.265 would be the odroid-xu4... http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G14345223982508:01
mahdiit's HP T620, it's thin client with dual-core cpu. here is the specs https://www.cnet.com/products/hp-flexible-thin-client-t620-tower-gx-217ga-1-65-ghz-4-gb-8-gb-g4u34uaaba/specs/08:01
Kamilionoh, it's just a PC.08:01
Kamilionstraight AMD64, with an AMD APU08:01
mahdiyep08:01
Kamilionuse the AMD Radeon HD 8280E instead of x26508:02
Kamilionthen you can use the opencl encoder.08:02
Kamilionthat alone will save you tons of power.08:02
mahdiI'm not familiar with opencl, I'll take a look08:03
Kamilioncompute on GPU08:03
mahdiis it powerfull enogh?08:04
Kamilionhttps://github.com/GPUOpen-LibrariesAndSDKs/AMF08:04
Kamilionthere ya go.08:04
* Kamilion points at the top folder in the repository, Thirdparty/ffmpeg/ffmpeg-3.3.108:04
KamilionVersion 1.4 of the AMF SDK includes support for the H.265 encoder(HEVC) and bug fixes. Version 1.4.4 has support for FFmpeg 3.3.1.08:04
mahdithanks a million. since today you are my hero :-)08:04
Kamilionthat may be a pain in the ass on alpine though08:05
Kamilionbut alpine's standard installation iso is only 100mb08:05
Kamilionif you're truly *needing* to be tiny, it's probably the answer.08:06
Kamilionotherwise, you can do what I did for my xen ISO08:06
Kamilionand use TORAM=Yes08:06
Kamilionuse something like customizer, click the 'Terminal' icon to open a chroot, and you can make any changes you want to the system.08:07
KamilionI prefer the ubuntu ecosystem, more specifically, the PPA package archives.08:07
KamilionThere are tradeoffs in that -- ubuntu's packages are built for compatibility, not performance.08:08
Kamilionadding your changes to the ISO itself ends up compressing everything using SquashFS.08:09
Kamilionand the squashfs is what gets copied to memory.08:09
KamilionQuite good when all you have is 8GB of flash for storage.08:09
mainhi guys08:10
Kamilionby the way -- that flash will wear out quite quickly, so I'd avoid writing any video to it.08:10
Kamilionget 16GB of memory in it and use /tmp religiously08:10
mainI have a problem. I have been running Linux Mint based off Ubuntu 14.04 with LXDE, and everything was okay. Now I tried installing Lubuntu 14.04, and the factual screen resolution is lower than it should be.08:10
KamilionSD video clips shouldn't be very large08:10
mahdiGood informations kamilion, I'm not going to write video on disk08:11
Kamilionmain: which GPU?08:11
mahdiI'm going to stream it08:11
mainon my older system I have been using the open source RADEON driver version 7.308:11
mainx1600pro08:11
Kamilionshould be supported by 'radeonhd'08:11
maini'll try that08:11
Kamilionthat's the open source driver you're already using.08:11
Kamilionthe new one is 'amdgpu' for the R5/R7/R9 class08:12
mainwell, my display is 1920x1080, but if I select this resolution, the left and the right side is simply cut off08:12
KamilionAre you sure it's 1920x1080?08:12
maini don't see the start menu, i don't see the time, I don't even see the lxpanel below08:12
KamilionThat is a pretty uncommon resolution.08:12
mainKamilion, according to xrandr yes08:12
mainhrm08:12
Kamilion1920x1200 or 1600x900 is far more common :/08:12
Kamilion16:10, vs 16:908:13
mainanyway08:13
mainas of now i resorted to setting 1680x105008:13
mainto at least see most of the video output08:13
Kamilionwhat does the display's EDID report as it's maximum resolution? 1080p?08:13
mainhowever, i don't see the minutes08:13
mainedid?08:13
Kamilionit should be recorded in /var/log/Xorg.0.log08:13
maindisplay is okay08:14
Kamilionit should be recorded in /var/log/Xorg.0.log08:14
mahdiThanks again kamilion, I'll do some reading right now.08:14
Kamilionalong with the reason you're not getting your full resolution.08:14
mainit was working fine with linux mint 17.2 (basically ubuntu 14.04) with LXDE08:14
KamilionIf you're running 16.04, you should probably install the hwe packages08:14
main> Now I tried installing Lubuntu 14.0408:14
Kamilionlinux-signed-image-generic-hwe-16.04 for the kernel08:15
mainhad the same problem with 16.04 and figured i'd go w/ 14.04 to debug it frist08:15
Kamilionhttps://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-core/blob/master/buildscripts/xenial/12-addlist-xwin-hwe-16.04.synpkg08:15
maini'm not running 16.04...08:15
Kamilionand here's the list of the hwe packages08:15
KamilionWell, 14.04 ain't getting any newer, so if it ain't working, it ain't working.08:15
Kamilionthe only fixes that's ever going to get are security at this point, cause it's so old08:16
mainlike I said, it had been working on my older system08:16
* Kamilion nods08:16
mainwith my display and GPU08:16
mainthat is, on the same hardware08:16
Kamilionand radeonhd should still support that class of GPU.08:16
Kamilionso you're going to have to check the log I mentioned for the exact error.08:16
Kamilionthe error will likely be recorded in /var/log/Xorg.0.log08:17
Kamilionand should probably be a line starting with EE:08:17
mainhttp://termbin.com/kmea08:18
mainno error08:18
Kamilionhttp://puu.sh/xav1N/2984c9c330.png08:18
mainKamilion, on the Linux Mint system the module version was 7.308:19
mainnot 7.708:19
Kamilionthe display does report 1080p as a valid mode08:19
mainis there a way to install the 7.3 version to see if it'll work?08:19
Kamilionsure, install from linux mint's repositories on top of the canonical repositories.08:20
KamilionRADEON(0): Output VGA-0 using initial mode 1920x1080 +0+008:20
mainhttps://lut.im/TCtYXeJpWP/YCudEhBOrIOOBvFv.png08:21
mainthis is what my screen looks like even w/ resolution 1680x105008:21
mainKamilion, what'd be the package name?08:21
Kamiliondunno, never touched mint before.08:22
Kamilionyou'd have to ask them.08:22
maini don't think they use their own08:22
Kamilionbut they're sitting on top of the canonical repos.08:22
Kamilionthey do.08:22
KamilionAnything they provide supercedes the canonical repos08:22
Kamilionanything they don't provide is pulled from the canonical repos08:22
mainokay, so 7.3 is not in canonical repos anymore, right?08:23
mainhttps://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xserver-xorg-video-radeon08:23
Kamilionno idea. I only concern myself with lubuntu, and currently, I've been too busy to follow lxqt08:23
mainactually08:23
mainit is08:23
mainKamilion, how do I install this package?08:24
Kamilionxserver-xorg-video-radeon-hwe-16.0408:24
Kamilionif you installed off the 16.04.2 ISO08:24
Kamilionwhich now uses the -hwe packages by default08:24
Kamilionotherwise xserver-xorg-video-radeon will probably remove the entire -hwe X stack08:25
Kamilionwhat do you mean, how do you install the package?08:25
KamilionI type 'wajig install xserver-xorg-video-radeon'08:25
mainanother question is08:25
Kamilionbut it's unlikely that you use wajig.08:25
mainwhy do they list 7.3 on the website08:25
mainwhereas Lubuntu 14.04 is shipped w/ 7.7?08:26
mainand apt show shows 7.7 from trusty channel08:26
maini'm confused08:26
Kamilion7.9 is what's installed for me.08:26
Kamilionxenial's 7.708:26
Kamiliontrusty's 7.308:26
mainokay08:27
Kamilionbut trusty's been broken for me a buncha times.08:27
maini'd like to install the package from trusty08:27
Kamilionwhich is why I moved my ISO builds to 16.0408:27
mainhow do I go about it?08:27
Kamilionbecause of all the work I and others did in 14.10, 15.04, and 15.1008:27
Kamilionyou said you're on 14.0408:27
Kamilionso... just install it?08:27
mainhttp://termbin.com/wrrx08:28
KamilionI don't quite understand what your question is.08:28
mainit aint that simple :(08:28
mainshould I downgrade xorg first?08:28
Kamilionwell, there you go. it says quite explicity, you have held broken packages.08:28
Kamilionunhold them, or resolve whatever's broken in the transaction.08:29
mainKamilion, but this is a fresh install. The only software I've installed myself was inxi08:29
Kamilionnever heard of it, sorry08:30
mainit's a python script08:30
mainshowing system info08:30
maincouldn't have possibly broken anything08:30
Kamilion... system info? What, like, htop?08:30
mainno, like lshw08:30
maingraphics drivers in use etc08:31
Kamilionhuh. I'll have to add that to my builds.08:31
Kamilionsecv08:31
mainwell, if you like it. I find it nice08:31
mainhttp://smxi.org/docs/inxi-man.htm08:32
mainit provides or more exactly aggregates all kinds of troubleshooting info08:32
Kamilionhttps://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-core/commit/506925eca042aadb778b201eee485d2991b39ce508:32
Kamiliondone.08:32
mainnice!08:32
mainas for dependencies, the build i'm using is half a years old08:33
Kamilionprobably come in handy the few times X doesn't start up straight away08:33
mainthink I'd better do a package upgrade first08:34
Kamilionhttps://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-core/releases08:34
Kamilionfeel free to grab the 980MB ISO, slap it on a USB stick, and start up in a week old 16.04 build.08:34
Kamilionif your screen doesn't come up correctly with either lubuntu-core or kamikazi, chances are something else is wrong.08:34
Kamilionif everything works, it was a bug somewhere in the X stack, and that becomes a lot easier to track down08:35
mainKamilion, actually08:35
mainit's not a Lubuntu issue08:35
Kamilionit is not meant to be installed08:35
mainthe same bug occured in Cent OS 6 and Void Linux08:35
Kamilioni mean, it's the most up to date lubuntu image you'll find currently08:35
mainyeah, i got it08:36
Kamilionbuilt 8/7/201708:36
Kamilionfor 16.04, at least... there's 17.10 dailies that are fresher, of course.08:36
mainso I have two ideas: 1) some software is lacking or 2) newer xorg radeon driver doesn't work correctly with my graphics card08:36
Kamilioncould be the latter. Compare the Xorg.0.log between the versions.08:37
Kamilionor between working/nonworking08:37
Kamilionprobably also ways to increase logging verbosity too08:37
Kamilionbut generally if the local console doesn't work for me, I give up immediately and fall back to using x2go over SSH.08:37
Kamilionprrrrrrrrrrobably not an option for you.08:38
mainyep, this is why my goal is to install xserver-xorg-video-radeon=1:7.3.0-1ubuntu308:38
Kamiliontotally acceptable for me, who primarily manages servers with old matrox video adapters... (it's not even advanced enough to be called a GPU -- it's 2D only!)08:39
Kamilioni'd suggest trying synaptic08:39
Kamilionit will suggest a transaction if it can figure one out.08:39
Kamilionaptitude might as well, but I generally find aptitude's interface to be disturbingly annoying08:39
mainapt upgrade is at 60%08:40
maingoing to have to wait a bit08:40
Kamiliongenerally for the long term service releases, there's point releases generated every so often -- you can also try going back a couple point releases of 14.04 and if you find that resolves the problem, marking the packages as no touchy, then apt dist-upgrade08:41
mainwill it upgrade me to 16.04?08:41
mainbtw, i'm continuously being prompted with  upgrade to 16.04.0308:42
Kamilionhttp://puu.sh/xavCl/908b780d65.png08:42
Kamilionwill what upgrade you to 16.04?08:42
mainapt dist-upgrade08:42
Kamilion... what?08:42
Kamilionno...08:42
Kamilionlol08:42
Kamiliondist-upgrade allows 'new dependancies' to be installed, where 'upgrade' does not.08:43
maini see...08:43
Kamilion'do-release-upgrade' is what ... does the release upgrade.08:43
KamilionEg, if inxi gets an update and now requires the 'hddtemp' package08:43
Kamilion'upgrade' will not get hddtemp, 'dist-upgrade' will.08:43
Kamilionit's pretty common for packages in an LTS release to get an update that changes it's dependancies somewhat08:44
KamilionRethinkDB is a good example -- it used to depend on libprotobuf9v4, but now depends on libprotobuf9v5.08:44
Kamilionas both are available08:45
Kamilionor Customizer, which requires "make PYTHON=python3 PYQT=5" to select Python3 and QT5 instead of python 2.7 and qt4.08:46
Kamilionboth python-pyqt4 and python3-qt5 are available... and annoyingly enough, have different naming schemes. L:)08:47
KamilionCurrently I'm really focused on finding QT derived apps because I'm moving to LXQT in 18.04, because they fixed the two bugs in lxqt v.10 for 16.04 that annoy the hell out of me08:48
mainaptitude says xserver-xorg-video-radeon-xenial (version 7.7) replaces xserver-xorg-video-radeon08:50
Kamilion0.11 is fixed and I suspect 0.12 might appear before 18.04's release, but may or may not make it into the repos before it's ready08:50
mainshould I probably remove it?08:50
Kamilionwell, there you go08:50
KamilionDunno08:50
Kamilionnot without synaptic or something having a solution for installation08:50
Kamilionbut that's why you've got 7.7, clearly.08:51
Kamilionyou have -xenial08:51
Kamilionin 16.04 it's now -hwe *shrug*08:51
Kamilionso I guess the trend will continue and 18.04 will rename it again... or keep -hwe, I hope.08:51
Kamilionso i betcha it's broken in 16.04 too -- as you're running the 16.04 packages, backported to 14.04.08:52
Kamilionthere's probably some release note somewhere about how to undo -xenial08:53
mainhttps://lut.im/5deK0PUpmt/wCVW7iJqLXeW79ir.png08:54
Kamilionyou're probably kinda screwed08:55
Kamilionhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/amd64/xserver-xorg/1:7.7+1ubuntu8.108:55
Kamilionhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/amd64/xserver-xorg08:55
Kamilionthe resolve-ALL-the-dependancies package is pointing at all the 7.7 versions08:56
Kamilionand I'm not seeing a way to differentiate the original 7.3 packages and the -xenial 7.7 packages.08:56
Kamilionyou may have to get an older 14.04 ISO, perhaps .4 or .3 instead of .508:57
Kamilionthen you can Lock Version http://puu.sh/xavZU/3128e69a39.png before upgrading.08:58
mainno other way?09:00
KamilionI don't know.09:00
mainright09:00
mainafter all i don't even know if the problem is w/ 7.709:00
Kamilionthat is the easiest I can think of to get the older 'xserver-xorg' package09:00
mainand if installing 7.3 will help09:00
Kamilionbefore it was replaced by 7.709:00
mainyou sure it's .3 not .2 ?09:01
* Kamilion shrugs09:01
Kamilionit's 2am and I'm not sure of anything at the moment.09:01
maindo you think it's possible to have 7.3 in 16.04?09:02
Kamilionnot exactly fully awake, and I've pretty much tried to block 14.04 from memory09:02
mainor in latest releases?09:02
KamilionSure, absolutely.09:02
Kamilionlaunchpad will build any package you give it a .dsc for and drop it in your PPA.09:02
mainnice09:02
Kamilionhttps://launchpad.net/~kamilion/+archive/ubuntu/ppa09:03
Kamilioni do it all the time09:03
Kamiliononly one package was uploade by me09:03
Kamilionthe rest are all some package I needed from a different release (like karmic's copy of firefox 3.6.3)09:03
Kamilionor a rebuild of a newer package like dc3dd onto an older release09:04
Kamilioni still have packages published for lucid and maverick.09:05
mainright09:05
mainso you are moving lubuntu to lxqt?09:05
Kamilionnnnno?09:05
mainnvm09:05
Kamilionthe packages are already available09:05
KamilionI'm pretty sure tsimonq2 is the one that keeps pressing 'start build' these daus09:06
Kamilion*days09:06
Kamilionbut as I said, I don't keep track of lubuntu development anymore. Everything I needed got fixed in 15.10 and I havn't had to yell at anyone about very much recently. ^_^09:06
maini see09:07
Kamilioni already have lxqt 0.10 installed (you can see it in my screenshots)09:07
Kamilionfrom the PPA09:07
Kamilionbut they don't publish new builds for 16.04 :/09:07
mainhow does user experience differ from that of lxde?09:07
Kamilionuhhh...09:08
Kamilioni'm not really sure how to answer that.09:08
Kamilionother than the QT build of pcmanfm missing a couple menu entries and a couple minor bugs like the desktop background not resizing when the monitor resolution is changed, the experience doesn't change at all.09:08
Kamilionthat was sort of the point of it, I thought.09:09
Kamilionall the same GUI tools, just using QT as the window themeing & rendering engine instead of GTK+09:09
Kamilioni tweak my theme a little, because lxqt allows a more windows-7 like setup, icons on the taskbar instead of window names...09:10
mainbtw09:10
mainis there a way to get leafpad to automatically save unsaved documents?09:10
Kamiliondunno, I don't use leafpad.09:10
KamilionGedit is generally what I've stuck with, but I'm going to have to find a QT editor I like soon09:11
Kamilionhttp://puu.sh/xawjX/8ed11ee53b.png09:11
Kamilionthis is the other annoying bug in lxqt 0.1009:11
maindoes gedit have this autosave feature?09:11
Kamilionwhen the panel's in icon mode, it carries over even to the windowpicker09:11
mainso you don't lose unsaved data in case the PC freezes09:12
* main downloading .1 :)09:12
Kamilionhttp://puu.sh/xawmS/6aaffc31d5.png09:13
KamilionI don't see a plugin for that09:13
Kamilionbut I generally would never have that problem anyway since I have the git plugin09:13
Kamilionand I'm sure you could rig an autosave script from the python console.09:13
Kamilionoh, crap09:14
Kamilionnever mind09:14
Kamilionhttp://puu.sh/xawp0/8ec3da05d5.png09:14
Kamilionit's built in... lol09:14
KamilionI'm so used to everything being a plugin, I almost forgot to check the other panes09:14
mainnice09:14
Kamilioni also find it amusing that you are worried about the exact thing my ISO enforces09:15
mainwhich is?09:15
maingedit instead of leafpad?09:15
Kamilionmaking sure everything gets destroyed on shutdown (inherent quality, since / is in RAM)09:15
Kamilioneverything dies. That's why it's named kamikazi...09:15
Kamilionnot even /var/log is persistant.09:16
Kamilion(if you wanted persistant logging, you would have told rsyslog to send logs elsewhere!)09:16
Kamilioninternet's fulla bad privacy these days. Lots of VPN providers say "we don't log anything". Court can't subpoena what never landed on 'physical storage'... heh heh. Their own fault for using specific wording in the laws...09:18
KamilionI honestly havn't had problems with unreliable hardware in.... years.09:19
Kamilionand I've seen kamikazi survive system level events that would level most other linux hosts... Things like the PCI Express bus going away entirely and coming back, including EVERY device like AHCI, mpt2sas, uhci, ehci, xhci, everything.09:20
Kamilionworst I get is a bunch of kernel log entries as the devices are redetected...09:20
Kamilionhaving the disk controller suddenly go away would generally trash most linux installations.09:21
mainyeah09:22
Kamilionor at the very least cause a lot of complaints on the next boot, about unclean mounting, journal replays, and the normal recovery-after-powerfailure behavior09:22
mainso, should I lock anything 7.7?09:22
mainor just xserver-xorg-video-radeon?09:22
Kamilionlocking version on any package will prevent apt from doing anything that would effect that package09:23
Kamilionso in theory you should get the same error you got earlier09:23
mainso i just lock this one package and that's it, right?09:23
Kamilionabout unable to fix broken packages09:24
Kamilionyeah.09:24
Kamilionthat should lock the whole chain that relies on it09:24
Kamilionand I'm pretty sure it won't even apply any security updates to X while in the locked state.09:24
Kamilionnot that something like that happens with any regularity.09:25
mainokay09:30
maininstalling .109:30
mainwish me luck09:30
main:)09:30
korisnikgood day11:45
sam____hi13:49
sam____i want to ask about user name and password13:50
sam____when i install Lubuntu imege13:51
leszekjust ask14:13
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