[00:16] <diddledan> there we go, changed my password from a nickserv pass to a server pass in irccloud so it doesn't have to wait for nickserv to prompt me
[03:05] <diddledan> sleepynow
[06:43] <MooDoo> howdy all
[07:24] <SuperMatt> morning chaps
[07:55] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:03] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[08:35] <fjaiohgae> Morning all, I have some trouble with my headphones to get it connected, the bluetooth pairing worked, but the audio profile look like wrong, is it common to have driver issues with standard audio devices ?
[08:44] <SuperMatt> Sometimes linux really sucks at bluetooth headphones. You may need to completely disconnect them and reconnect
[08:44] <SuperMatt> I've had the same issues in Ubuntu and Fedora
[08:45] <SuperMatt> And you may need to do the disconnect/reconnect thing a few times until it loads the correct profile
[08:49] <fjaiohgae> done it few time no luck, unpair, pair, connect disconnect, and still no luck, but then I will use the windows method of reboot and reconnect and re-gret.
[08:49] <fjaiohgae> "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result." :(
[08:53] <davmor2> SuperMatt: there is work afoot to try and help with that
[08:57] <SuperMatt> wonderful
[09:02] <fjaiohgae> hip hip hurray !
[09:16] <popey> yeah, bluetooth is broken until bluez5, where it's less broken
[10:50] <awilkins> Yay, Synaptic won't start on Wayland
[12:21] <foobarry> https://askubuntu.com/questions/938606/dwarf-fortress-starting-during-apt-get-upgrade
[12:23] <diddledan> *sigh* https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/14/donald-trump-inauguration-protest-website-search-warrant-dreamhost
[12:33] <popey> wow
[12:33] <popey> he's a real snowflake
[12:34] <foobarry> what is it about dictators and funny haircuts?
[12:35] <popey> everyone too scared to tell them they look like tools?
[12:35] <foobarry> there must be more to it
[12:37] <foobarry> https://hubpages.com/style/Hairstyles-of-the-Dictators is so out of date it doesn't have USA or latest N Korea
[12:38] <zmoylan-pi> he's president and he can order weird stuff to happen on a whim?
[12:39] <diddledan> this is sucky for ladies :-( https://twitter.com/lydiajones_18/status/897437256646107136
[12:40] <zmoylan-pi> have you not read the evil overlord list?  http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html
[12:40] <diddledan> woman: "hi, can you help me?" man: "yes. let's have sex"
[12:45] <foobarry> Vishal is an accomplished inspirational public speaker on sales, marketing, well being and branding. He regularly coaches start-ups and SME sector
[12:45] <foobarry> on linkedin. same guy?
[12:47] <foobarry> yep
[12:51] <foobarry> so the thing is, these people organise 3 day book camp to motivate vulnerable people into thinking they can write a book in 3 days
[12:51] <foobarry> churn out some drivel, pat everyone on the back and sell to friends, call yourself an author
[12:53] <foobarry> don't think he has anything to do with tech though
[13:08] <awilkins> Creepazoid hitting on 18 year olds
[13:09] <awilkins> Maybe we should endorse him for that skill on LinkedIn
[13:09] <awilkins> Shame you have to accept endorsements for them to be visible
[13:30] <czajkowski> anyone else for the real ale train ... https://beta.doodle.com/poll/drwv3c2pwcqs33ny
[13:34]  * Seeker` has been using DreamHost for...a decade? 
[13:34] <awilkins> Where is the Real Ale Train physically located?
[13:34] <Seeker`> I'm pleased by their response
[13:34] <foobarry> on train tracks
[13:36] <awilkins> Aha 8eac0-5d16a
[13:36] <awilkins> c202e-ce6a4
[13:36] <awilkins> 108be-0f5e0
[13:36] <awilkins> f2aff-783df
[13:36] <awilkins> b069c-5bcc0
[13:36] <awilkins> f87c9-275f0
[13:36] <awilkins> 300de-aff6d
[13:36] <awilkins> 506c2-a1195
[13:36] <awilkins> 7c0e3-f4106
[13:36] <awilkins> 92bd4-945fb
[13:36] <foobarry> fail
[13:36] <awilkins> 188ef-8b782
[13:36] <foobarry> fail
[13:36] <awilkins> 450fb-e1be0
[13:36] <awilkins> 1886a-36a02
[13:36] <awilkins> 86167-45577
[13:36] <awilkins> 26329-2fe76
[13:36] <awilkins> 415d1-104b3
[13:36] <awilkins> Oh crap
[13:36] <awilkins> Megafail
[13:36] <Oli> Oh dear.
[13:36] <foobarry> fail^2
[13:36] <ali1234> what are those?
[13:37]  * zmoylan-pi tests this list for passwordds :-P
[13:37] <foobarry> stnragely formatted mac addreses?
[13:38] <zmoylan-pi> ...or are we turning this channel into a number station to flush out the paranoid? :-)
[13:38] <awilkins> They're the set of Github 2FA recovery codes I just replaced with new ones
[13:38] <ali1234> ouch
[13:38] <foobarry> hahahaha
[13:38] <diddledan> 2fa
[13:38] <awilkins> What I meant to say was : https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Alton/@51.1519289,-0.9672465,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xcd485fe0a901f2f5!8m2!3d51.1519289!4d-0.9672465
[13:38] <diddledan> lovely
[13:38] <diddledan> that was an epic paste!
[13:38] <foobarry> hunter
[13:39] <awilkins> Why you posting lines of asterisks again, foobarry?
[13:39] <foobarry> sourceforge makes me cry
[13:40] <diddledan> how is sourceforge still a thing?
[13:40] <awilkins> Sourceforge I just ignore now
[13:40] <foobarry> except when you need source code
[13:40] <awilkins> Inertia is the only thing keeping it alive
[13:40] <foobarry> and source code
[13:40] <awilkins> Even if their new owner is less evil, the stank left behind by the previous owner lingers
[13:41] <awilkins> Source code needed keep SF alive any longer since any source you're allowed to copy can be migrated to a git repo somewhere else
[13:42] <awilkins> If you really care about a particular project, set up a process to mirror any new revisions periodically.
[13:43] <awilkins> Hell, you could probably do that with AWS Lambda for free (the free tier on Lambda runtime is so generous, and at the moment, free in perpetuity)
[13:43] <Oli> If they're actively using SF though for bug triage, and everybody starts using your github tree, that might not be the most welcome idea to upstream.
[13:44] <ali1234> SF has new owners?
[13:45] <Oli> Few and far between, for sure... But I'm sure there are a few old grumblies refusing to move off svn.
[13:45] <Oli> ali1234, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BizX
[13:45] <ali1234> you can disable issues on github
[13:45] <foobarry> does launchpad do git yet?
[13:45] <diddledan> yes it does
[13:45] <ali1234> lots of projects have semi-official mirrors on there
[13:45] <Oli> foobarry, yeah
[13:45] <foobarry> they missed the boat really though
[13:45] <Oli> They did
[13:46] <ali1234> SF is pretty useless if you just want to browse the source code or mailing list archive
[13:46] <ali1234> the UIs for that are just awful
[13:46] <awilkins> They missed the new boat, then they took an auger to the bottom of the boat they had
[13:47] <Oli> We say that but many projects are using self-hosted Trac installs on top of their own self-hosted repos. Launchpad is still a clear mile ahead of some of those.
[13:48] <ali1234> https://github.com/xfce-mirror for example
[13:48] <ali1234> i'm not sure SF is actually better than self-hosted trac
[13:49] <ali1234> not if you set it up properly anyway
[13:49] <awilkins> I like Redmine
[13:49] <awilkins> Poops all over Trac for features. Only wish it was written in Python and not Ruby.
[13:49] <ali1234> repos on github, issues on LP
[13:49] <diddledan> what about gitlab?
[13:50] <awilkins> We use GitLab at work. Not decided about it yet. It's clearly very good at what it focuses on (to me, that's repo management and Continuous integration)
[13:50] <foobarry> we use github enterprise
[13:50] <awilkins> I'm probably keener on Mattermost than GitLab TBH
[13:50] <foobarry> its sweeeeet
[13:51] <Oli> I like Gitlab though haven't managed to use it in anger yet. All I ever seem to see about it these days is super-mega-urgent security fixes. I guess that means it's still getting plenty of developer attention (which is better than the other end of the spectrum)
[13:51] <diddledan> isn't mattermost part of gitlab now?
[13:51] <awilkins> Yes, hence the mention (otherwise it would have been a total segue)
[13:52] <ali1234> the absolute worst i've encountered is when the project management system is written by the same people as the project itself
[13:52] <ali1234> like, dude, you don't have time to do both
[13:53] <zmoylan-pi> didn't linus write git? :-P
[13:53] <ali1234> haha that's true
[13:53] <ali1234> but i was thinking more about issue tracking
[13:53] <awilkins> Things GitLab does that Redmine doesn't : has it's own CI server, does git-flow workflows. Things Redmine has that GitLab doesn't ; wiki, forum, time tracking (time spent on issues), gannt chart, calendar
[13:53] <zmoylan-pi> it's those annoying exceptions... :-)
[13:54] <awilkins> Anyone who writes their own issue tracker as a de-novo project in this day and age is either a software forge hosting company or a certified idiot
[13:54] <ali1234> to be fair, git isn't perfect... all those command line options that dont make sense
[13:54] <ali1234> and the bisect "good/bad" thing
[13:54] <awilkins> I find once you understand the internal data model you can get by with very few commands
[13:55] <ali1234> where good and bad don't actually mean good and bad, they mean before and after
[13:55] <awilkins> And you only delve into the man pages when you want to do mad things
[13:55] <ali1234> because git assumes you are looking for a regression, not the commit that fixed the bug
[13:55] <zmoylan-pi> probably make perfect sense if you have a few decades of kernel programming behind you :-)
[13:55] <awilkins> Like stitching together the histories from two separate SVN repositories that have been spawned as pushes from a Bazaar tree with the same library used by different projects...
[13:56] <ali1234> yeah i only use about 1% of git commands
[13:56] <ali1234> and i use it all the time
[13:56] <awilkins> I liked Bazaar, and there was a period when it was totes the best VCS on Windows, bar none.
[13:56] <awilkins> Then Git started working properly on Windows
[13:56] <ali1234> i could never understand bzr... it doesn't even have bisect at all!
[13:57] <awilkins> It has bisect as a plugin
[13:57] <ali1234> an unmaintained plugin that doesn't work any more, yes
[13:57] <ali1234> bzr seems to be designed for people who never ever look at the code history
[13:57] <awilkins> Surely you can just check out a revision of Bazaar that still works with bisect... you can use bisect to find it!
[13:57] <ali1234> lol
[13:57] <awilkins> Oh.
[13:58] <ali1234> you can always import the zr repo into git, and then bisect it that way
[13:58] <awilkins> I have a bunch of users in my old job still using Bazaar
[13:58] <ali1234> someone seriously, unironically told me to do that once
[13:58] <awilkins> Bazaar had better 2-way interop with SVN than Git does
[13:59] <awilkins> That was one of my main faves about it when I still had to work with SVN Old Grumpies.
[13:59] <ali1234> svn... i literally never figured out how to use that one
[13:59] <awilkins> You could share a Bazaar branch that was a pull of an SVN repo without trouble. With Git you're constantly rewriting history whenever you push to SVN so you can't
[13:59] <ali1234> like, how do you commit changes?
[14:00] <awilkins> In SVN? You do a commit. Everything in your tree that's changed is committed unless you tell it not to.
[14:00] <ali1234> it always just says i don't have permission
[14:01] <awilkins> Well, the server needs to think you have permission
[14:01] <ali1234> yeah... that's what i never understood
[14:01] <ali1234> how are you supposed to use it if you aren't a project member?
[14:01] <awilkins> Pull it into a git repo :-)
[14:01] <awilkins> (another reason DVCS rules the world now)
[14:01] <ali1234> yeah :)
[14:01] <awilkins> You can't just give everyone access to your SVN repo, they'd DoS the hell out of it.
[14:02] <awilkins> Actually worked on a project that used SVN a bit like that. It wrote transaction logs for your local DB edits and pushed them to SVN.
[14:03] <awilkins> Then everyone else ran the Tx logs to get up to date.
[14:03] <awilkins> Problem was, it would write bad transactions. Your DB would be fine because they were written ex-post-facto the actual DB edits going through.
[14:03] <awilkins> But you'd commit and everyone else would be hosed.
[14:03] <diddledan> the WordPress.org dev repo, their plugin directory, and the theme directory are all on a massive svn system
[14:04] <awilkins> One thing SVN helps you do : defer decisions about how to organize your code repos properly....
[14:05] <awilkins> I have a theory for writing better SVN support for Git ; convert the entire root of the SVN filesystem, and then "thread" that with commit histories by detecting the real checkout trees you want.
[14:05] <awilkins> The core problem with SVN is that though, that it's a filesystem with a Tau dimension, rather than a system for snapshotting entire trees like Git.
[14:07] <awilkins> The Worst Thing people do with SVN : work on their super-special tree of code then cut the tree in their IDE and paste the new one in. Hey presto, their IDE / SVN plugin interprets this as "delete these files and add new ones", severing the file history forever.
[14:07] <awilkins> Git just goes "Meh, that's two trees that look very similar"
[14:07] <awilkins> And hence fixes this issue when you convert an SVN repo. SO helpful.
[16:37] <diddledan> wow. I just had a full system lock-up
[16:38] <diddledan> even the magic sysrq thing didn't work
[18:44] <daftykins> diddledan: ooh-err
[18:44] <daftykins> lurvely bay up north here on the rock - http://i.imgur.com/HQZC28R.jpg
[18:44] <diddledan> that's disgusting!
[18:45] <diddledan> you should be thoroughly ashamed!
[18:45] <daftykins> wat
[18:46] <diddledan> posting pornography like that!
[18:46] <daftykins> island porn, mmm
[19:02] <foobarry> did anyone do day trading in GTA V?
[19:02] <daftykins> little bit
[19:02] <daftykins> in single player?
[19:03] <foobarry> yeah
[19:03] <foobarry> is it linked to missions?
[19:03] <daftykins> yep the Franklin assassination ones from Lester
[19:04] <daftykins> as all 3 characters you can invest before doing the mission, then there'll be a big payout for them all
[19:04] <daftykins> but it's better to wait until the heists are done so they have capital to invest
[19:04] <foobarry> ah, but avoid at other times?
[19:05] <daftykins> yeah just leave the Lester missions undone for Franklin until you've finished the main plot is some advice i read online
[19:05] <daftykins> i was doing a replay on the xbox one version after i'd originally played it on the xbox 360 way back, but lost interest
[19:06] <daftykins> in fact i was only playing it when limited for entertainment in my hotel apartment during the house works :D
[19:14]  * diddledan wanders off to do some oven thing
[19:19] <daftykins> diddledan: ooh you wanna be careful with those, do it just once and then you'll be hooked for life
[20:31] <foobarry> https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/aug/15/crash-cyclist-shouted-charlie-alliston-pedestrian-lay-wounded fixed wheel bikes are illegal?
[20:31] <daftykins> yeah i was shocked about that too
[20:32] <daftykins> had no idea
[20:32] <daftykins> they really are turning that guy into a villain now
[20:32] <daftykins> of course you shout at idiot pedestrians as a cyclist, jeez
[20:33] <zmoylan-pi> whatever mode of travel you use, you shout at _ALL_ the others
[20:36] <foobarry> he might get off. the witness didn't see the build up to the incident
[20:37] <foobarry> only saw at moment of impact
[20:37] <foobarry> he could have shouted "why did you step into my path?"
[20:38] <daftykins> mmm
[21:36] <diddledan> "I SAY, GOOD LADY, WOULDS'T THOU PLEASE VACATE THE ROAD?"
[21:37] <diddledan> period English would be fatal
[21:37] <diddledan> I mean the difference in time it takes to say that vs "OI! MOVE!"
[21:38] <zmoylan-pi> 'no brakes' in his case would be admitting to his crime...