| === maclin1 is now known as maclin | ||
| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers! | 06:12 |
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| didrocks | salut oSoMoN, ça va ? | 06:13 |
| * tsimonq2 waves to everyone - happy very early morning hacking :D | 06:14 | |
| didrocks | hey tsimonq2 ;) | 06:16 |
| tsimonq2 | Hey didrocks, long time no see :D | 06:17 |
| tsimonq2 | didrocks: How's things? | 06:17 |
| didrocks | tsimonq2: really well, thanks! Quite busy with the GNOME Shell transition between blog posts and actually implementing the changes to write the next blog post :p | 06:25 |
| didrocks | yourself? | 06:25 |
| tsimonq2 | I'm doing pretty well, doing some LXQt and Qt things and doing a lot of packaging :D | 06:26 |
| tsimonq2 | didrocks: But that sounds super cool! | 06:26 |
| didrocks | nice :-) | 06:30 |
| didrocks | tsimonq2: speaking of which, today's post will be about sound! :-) | 06:30 |
| tsimonq2 | :F | 06:31 |
| tsimonq2 | *:D | 06:31 |
| oSoMoN | hey didrocks, ça va et toi? | 06:31 |
| oSoMoN | (got bitten by the lack of notifications again) | 06:32 |
| didrocks | oSoMoN: yeah, we really need to take a decision for IM, emails and other kind of sync notifications… | 06:33 |
| oSoMoN | yup | 06:33 |
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| flexiondotorg | Morning oSoMoN tsimonq2 didrocks | 07:36 |
| oSoMoN | good morning flexiondotorg | 07:36 |
| oSoMoN | flexiondotorg, you might want to try "snap install --beta chromium" | 07:36 |
| flexiondotorg | Already doing it :-) | 07:37 |
| oSoMoN | :) | 07:37 |
| didrocks | hey flexiondotorg | 07:38 |
| flexiondotorg | oSoMoN Do you want to post a call for testing for that in forum.snapcraft.io? | 07:40 |
| flexiondotorg | I could, but I don't want to steal your thunder :-) | 07:41 |
| flexiondotorg | didrocks o/ | 07:41 |
| oSoMoN | flexiondotorg, yes, I’ll do that | 07:41 |
| flexiondotorg | Excellent. | 07:41 |
| flexiondotorg | This looks very solid. | 07:41 |
| flexiondotorg | I'll use it as my main browser today :-) | 07:41 |
| * oSoMoN expects a slew of bug reports by the end of the day | 07:42 | |
| flexiondotorg | oSoMoN Well, let's see :-) | 07:43 |
| flexiondotorg | didrocks I fixed a thing :-) | 07:43 |
| flexiondotorg | didrocks Could you cast an eye over this merge proposal please - https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/unity-gtk-module/lp1710999/+merge/329080 | 07:43 |
| flexiondotorg | If fixes this rather annoying bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-gtk-module/+bug/1710999 | 07:44 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1710999 in unity-gtk-module (Ubuntu) "Dragging icons don't have transparent backgrounds" [Undecided,In progress] | 07:44 |
| oSoMoN | flexiondotorg, note that one obvious thing that doesn't work is opening downloaded files, that’s https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1705708 | 07:44 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1705708 in snapd "latest change to xdg-open not applied to the unity7 interface" [High,In progress] | 07:44 |
| tsimonq2 | Hey hey flexiondotorg :D | 07:44 |
| flexiondotorg | oSoMoN Looks like tht will land soon thankfully. | 07:46 |
| oSoMoN | yes | 07:46 |
| didrocks | flexiondotorg: I guess that makes sense, just a small nitpick :) | 07:56 |
| flexiondotorg | didrocks Sorry, I didn't make that clear. I have tested Unity and GNOME. | 07:58 |
| flexiondotorg | didrocks I've update the opening comment. | 07:59 |
| willcooke | ahoy | 08:01 |
| Laney | moin | 08:02 |
| tsimonq2 | ahoy willcooke and Laney :D | 08:02 |
| flexiondotorg | willcooke Laney o/ | 08:03 |
| flexiondotorg | didrocks I think that double (( is required. | 08:04 |
| didrocks | flexiondotorg: hum, you have ((! something )) | 08:04 |
| didrocks | hey willcooke, Laney | 08:04 |
| flexiondotorg | Otherwise the `if` that results from the macro won't work. | 08:05 |
| didrocks | flexiondotorg: ah ok, thanks for testing in Unity as well, I thought you only tested seeded packages :) | 08:05 |
| didrocks | hum, let me relook | 08:05 |
| didrocks | flexiondotorg: ahhhhhhhhh | 08:05 |
| didrocks | diffrealfail :) | 08:05 |
| didrocks | read* | 08:06 |
| flexiondotorg | :-) | 08:06 |
| flexiondotorg | Yeah, it is easier when not a diff. | 08:06 |
| didrocks | approved thus! :) | 08:06 |
| flexiondotorg | Thank you! | 08:06 |
| didrocks | yw, are you going to land it? | 08:07 |
| * flexiondotorg heads to bileto | 08:07 | |
| didrocks | good :) | 08:07 |
| flexiondotorg | It will need sign off to land, but I'll get it all started. | 08:08 |
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| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 08:17 |
| Laney | hey tsimonq2 flexiondotorg didrocks | 08:17 |
| Laney | hey seb128, you good? | 08:17 |
| Laney | got back ok? | 08:17 |
| seb128 | I'm good thanks! | 08:17 |
| seb128 | yeah, arrived at 23h, train was easy | 08:17 |
| seb128 | even got time for a beer with willcooke at the station before leaving | 08:17 |
| didrocks | Laney: welcome back! | 08:18 |
| Laney | nice | 08:20 |
| Laney | thanks didrocks | 08:20 |
| Laney | seems you've been busy ;-) | 08:20 |
| oSoMoN | good morning seb128 | 08:20 |
| seb128 | lut oSoMoN | 08:21 |
| didrocks | Laney: yeah, long days TBH | 08:22 |
| Laney | you love it | 08:22 |
| didrocks | Laney: like, the whole thing isn't possible to do such changes one a day, happy to have started last week, but shhhhh :) | 08:22 |
| didrocks | also, the fact that Julie isn't back to work helped not taking the 15th, but I'll definitively swap it anyway :) | 08:23 |
| didrocks | how was debconf? | 08:23 |
| Laney | what is the 15th? | 08:23 |
| didrocks | THE day off in France | 08:24 |
| didrocks | I guess due to celebrating 20 years of GNOME ofc :p | 08:25 |
| Laney | yeah debconf was good, you should watch talk videos online | 08:29 |
| didrocks | I guess I'll, but probably after FF :) | 08:30 |
| Laney | there was this "debian is too hard to change" thing going around | 08:30 |
| didrocks | hum? | 08:30 |
| Laney | about responding to software changes | 08:30 |
| Laney | like each language coming with its own package manager now and debian not having a good answer to that | 08:30 |
| Laney | or also delivering apps in a different way | 08:31 |
| didrocks | ahah, it's really the new sense of the wind :) | 08:31 |
| seb128 | Laney, is there any buying from Debian in post-deb techs yet? | 08:33 |
| seb128 | out of groups in Debian focussed on making those available I mean | 08:33 |
| Laney | that's not the way that it would work | 08:36 |
| Laney | people would work on it, and then they would show what they have come up with | 08:36 |
| Laney | and maybe then push for it to be available in some wider way | 08:37 |
| Laney | there won't be some central development | 08:37 |
| Laney | but smcv is working on some tools to make runtimes / flatpaks available from the archive, he gave a talk about that | 08:37 |
| seb128 | sorry, let me rephrase, I forgot that you like to be picky on the wording of questions :-) | 08:40 |
| seb128 | was there any attempt from smcv or other to push flatpak a bit forward | 08:40 |
| seb128 | and if so what was the feeling/reaction around that push | 08:41 |
| seb128 | if you got a feeling of what people who are not involved in the techs think | 08:41 |
| Laney | hmm, wasn't trying to be picky but I probably do it without knowing | 08:42 |
| Laney | it's done in a debianish way | 08:42 |
| Laney | people say "here is some code, look what it can do" | 08:42 |
| seb128 | yeah, I know how Debian works thank :-) | 08:42 |
| Laney | and then others are like "what about the DFSG / security / whatever"" | 08:42 |
| Laney | and it's like "yeah we need to think about that, let's go away and do that" | 08:43 |
| seb128 | there is code around by now, I was wondering if it trigger some discussions yet | 08:43 |
| Laney | :( | 08:43 |
| Laney | not trying to be argumentative | 08:43 |
| Laney | so it's not like it's hated or anything but it's going to be tough to figure out the things that debian people value and how they work in a new world | 08:44 |
| Laney | like if debian maintainers don't maintain everything, what does that mean? | 08:45 |
| Laney | & if things aren't reviewed by the ftp team | 08:45 |
| Laney | or taking some things out of the normal release process and delivering them in a different way | 08:46 |
| Laney | cuts out all the processes there | 08:46 |
| seb128 | right | 08:46 |
| seb128 | lot of open questions | 08:46 |
| seb128 | as we know since we have the same ones around here :-) | 08:46 |
| Laney | ya | 08:46 |
| Laney | so it's at the stage of thinking about these things | 08:46 |
| seb128 | cool | 08:47 |
| seb128 | let's wait and see what comes next | 08:47 |
| seb128 | thanks for the summary Laney! | 08:47 |
| flexiondotorg | Morning seb128. Interesting discussion :-) | 08:50 |
| Laney | fun stuff | 08:51 |
| seb128 | hey flexiondotorg | 08:58 |
| seb128 | indeed | 08:58 |
| willcooke | koza, duflu seb128 - having trouble with the hangout - on my way but might need a reboot | 09:01 |
| koza | willcooke, 10-4 | 09:01 |
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| popey | didrocks: nice blog post | 09:14 |
| didrocks | popey: thx! | 09:16 |
| popey | didrocks: i have an audio question / bug :) | 09:18 |
| popey | dunno if it's part of what you're talking about landing | 09:19 |
| didrocks | popey: no, it's not because I touched that that I'm a pulseaudio expert, don't even try :) | 09:19 |
| popey | haha | 09:19 |
| didrocks | popey: kidding, what's about it? | 09:19 |
| popey | dammit | 09:19 |
| popey | if i plug my laptop into an external tv, and set audio to go out that way, it all works as expected. | 09:19 |
| popey | however, if i then yank the displayport cable out, display switches back to internal panel, but audio doesn't switch back to internal | 09:19 |
| popey | so all audio is silent after pulling the cable out, it doesn't autoswitch back to internal sound card. I have to manually open sound control panel and click the internal card | 09:20 |
| didrocks | interesting, I don't know if it's similar to another issue I have | 09:20 |
| didrocks | mine is autoswitch on new device discovery | 09:20 |
| didrocks | which can be good… | 09:20 |
| didrocks | but not when you have a server with avahi enabled | 09:20 |
| popey | i can file a bug of course, and video it to show | 09:21 |
| didrocks | I want mostly to keep it local, and only switch to server when I ask for it | 09:21 |
| didrocks | popey: I guess file a bug, I should do the same for my case | 09:21 |
| popey | against what? pulse? | 09:21 |
| didrocks | I would say pulse, yeah | 09:21 |
| popey | kk, will do | 09:21 |
| didrocks | popey: *if* I have time to look at my issue, (not before FF), I'll look at yours as well | 09:22 |
| popey | thanks | 09:22 |
| seb128 | popey, when you have bugs it would be useful if you opened them upstream, they have more hackers than us and it increases the chance somebody can have a look | 09:27 |
| popey | seb128: sure, both launchpad and upstream and linked? or only upstream? | 09:30 |
| seb128 | launchpad as well if you can | 09:30 |
| seb128 | we still want to know about it so we can work on it if upstream doesn't or we can backport a fix if they come with one | 09:31 |
| muktupavels | didrocks: why did you choose to use lowercase name for DesktopNames / XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP? It is not consistent with other names. Unity, GNOME-Classic, Budgie... ubuntu is now only dekstop name that is used lowercase there. | 09:38 |
| seb128 | muktupavels, he went for exercice so I guess it's going to a bit before he replies | 09:44 |
| Trevinho | seb128, Laney, I've troubles in building unity7 after the new gcc7 change as nux depends on libglewmx-dev but that conflicts with libglew-dev | 10:15 |
| Trevinho | so I'm not sure what's going on there | 10:15 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, I don't know offhand, glew didn't change since zesty | 10:24 |
| popey | seb128: filed the bug but looks like it's known upstream and no timeline for a fix :( bug 1711101 | 10:24 |
| ubot5 | bug 1711101 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "Audio doesn't auto switch when unplugging hdmi" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1711101 | 10:25 |
| Trevinho | seb128: mh, I see there are not many changes, but for some reasons I can't build it... | 10:25 |
| Trevinho | nor lp | 10:25 |
| seb128 | popey, thanks | 10:26 |
| Laney | Trevinho: got a log? | 10:27 |
| seb128 | popey, do you have a gnome bug that got closed? if so it might still worth mentioning it on the launchpad bug | 10:27 |
| Trevinho | Laney: mh, now... well lp was failing somewhere else though, let me check my situation | 10:28 |
| popey | seb128: i linked the bug to the upstream freedesktop pulse bug already | 10:28 |
| seb128 | right | 10:28 |
| seb128 | I though you maybe opened a GNOME g-c-c bug | 10:28 |
| seb128 | which got closed with a pointer to the pulseaudio one | 10:29 |
| popey | oh i see, no | 10:29 |
| seb128 | k, all good then | 10:29 |
| popey | ya | 10:29 |
| seb128 | thanks | 10:29 |
| koza | willcooke, duflu, funny, seems that zyga's headset triggers the same crash I have seen with Sony SBH52 and which someone else sees with Plantronics. damn those premium headsets ;-) | 10:37 |
| seb128 | :-/ | 10:40 |
| koza | having zyga and his headset next to me, Ill debug this one for a while today | 10:53 |
| didrocks | muktupavels: the idea is that it's a properties, not a desktop name | 11:38 |
| didrocks | so both unity and the default ubuntu gnome session inherits it | 11:38 |
| muktupavels | didrocks: But ubuntu is desktop name, no? | 11:39 |
| muktupavels | XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=Ubuntu:GNOME | 11:39 |
| flexiondotorg | didrocks Could you click publish here please? https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2902 | 11:41 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, do you think you’ll have time to look at libreoffice 5.4.0 this week? | 11:42 |
| didrocks | muktupavels: it's in current desktop, but it's intended to be common properties with most ubuntu desktop, even flavor | 11:43 |
| didrocks | flexiondotorg: I don't even know where the publish button is | 11:44 |
| didrocks | ah found it | 11:44 |
| muktupavels | Is not ubuntu:GNOME meant to be same thing as GNOME-Classic:GNOME? | 11:47 |
| muktupavels | ubuntu is used to customize GNOME... | 11:48 |
| didrocks | muktupavels: it's used to customize the unity session as well | 11:48 |
| didrocks | XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=Unity:Unity7:ubuntu | 11:48 |
| muktupavels | still I think it should be Ubuntu... | 11:49 |
| didrocks | let's agree to disagree :) (andI don't think it's the end of the world ;)) | 11:49 |
| muktupavels | :) | 11:50 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, yes, I started this morning | 11:59 |
| oSoMoN | excellent, thanks! | 11:59 |
| koza | seb128, found a fix for the crash I have been talking today during the BT sync; seems that you will have a chance to upload bluez once again this week :-) | 12:29 |
| willcooke | koza, \o/ well done! | 12:29 |
| koza | this might be your fav task this summer I reckon ;-) | 12:29 |
| seb128 | koza, I saw that, good finding! | 12:34 |
| seb128 | haha | 12:34 |
| seb128 | is it only me or that behaviour of firefox/tb showing their menu on alt is weird and confusing? | 12:48 |
| seb128 | I keep triggering the menus on alt-tab | 12:48 |
| seb128 | and it's not very discoverable but you need the menus to access to some actions | 12:48 |
| jbicha | seb128: it makes sense on Windows where other apps show their menus on Alt too | 12:50 |
| jbicha | good morning | 12:50 |
| seb128 | windows does that | 12:50 |
| seb128 | ? | 12:50 |
| seb128 | so non tech users who use a mouse never find the menus? ;-) | 12:51 |
| jbicha | they don't need all those extra options… | 12:52 |
| seb128 | so remove the menu | 12:54 |
| seb128 | if it's not needed | 12:54 |
| jbicha | xnox: the extra language support is defined in language-selector's data/pkg_depends … but we decided a while ago to install complete language support for the languages on the iso | 12:54 |
| jbicha | seb128: good luck pleasing "power users" like that ;) | 12:54 |
| seb128 | jbicha, shrug, why do you always feel like arguing | 12:59 |
| seb128 | just tell me it's me who gets annoyed but alt-tab doing a flickering of the ui | 12:59 |
| seb128 | and we can move on | 12:59 |
| jbicha | sorry | 13:00 |
| jbicha | alt-tab doesn't interact bad with firefox here | 13:00 |
| seb128 | but->by | 13:00 |
| seb128 | I think I sometime put my finger on alt to do an alt-tab | 13:01 |
| seb128 | and decide against it so relax the key | 13:01 |
| jbicha | yes that will do it | 13:01 |
| seb128 | I find it quite disturbing | 13:02 |
| seb128 | need to step out for an hour or so | 13:04 |
| seb128 | bbl | 13:04 |
| jbicha | seb128: about:config set ui.key.menuAccessKeyFocuses to false | 13:05 |
| jbicha | popey: could you see if you can add ubuntu-core-dev as a member of https://launchpad.net/~unity-greeter-team ? | 13:34 |
| oSoMoN | flexiondotorg, willcooke: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/call-for-testing-chromium-snap/1714 | 13:44 |
| flexiondotorg | oSoMoN Nice! | 13:44 |
| willcooke | cheers oSoMoN | 13:44 |
| willcooke | Will share | 13:45 |
| flexiondotorg | Just shared with the Solus community :-) | 13:45 |
| oSoMoN | and https://plus.google.com/+OlivierTilloy/posts/gNoezKBky9W | 13:48 |
| popey | oSoMoN: can you add this image to your snapcraft forum post please http://imgur.com/a/PFxE0 | 14:06 |
| popey | I want to share it via the snapcraft social channel, but they perform 1000 times better with a good image | 14:06 |
| oSoMoN | popey, done | 14:09 |
| popey | thanks! | 14:09 |
| popey | also, nice to see chrome experiments works | 14:10 |
| popey | even in a vm! | 14:10 |
| popey | ok, shared via @snapcraftio and re-shared via @ubuntu on twitter, facebook and G+ | 14:14 |
| popey | Nice work oSoMoN :D | 14:14 |
| Trevinho | cool oSoMoN! | 14:14 |
| Trevinho | Laney: so I've tested again, but when configuring unity I'm getting | 14:15 |
| Trevinho | -- Checking for modules | 14:15 |
| Trevinho | 'unity-protocol-private>=7.1.0;appstream-glib;atk;atk-bridge-2.0;cairo>=1.13.1;dbusmenu-glib-0.4;dee-1.0;gio-2.0>=2.30.0;gio-unix-2.0;gmodule-2.0;gthread-2.0;gtk+-3.0>=3.1;indicator3-0.4>=0.4.90;json-glib-1.0;libbamf3>=0.5.3;gnome-desktop-3.0;libnotify;libstartup-notification-1.0;nux-4.0>=4.0.5;sigc++-2.0>=2.4.0;unity-misc>=0.4.0;xpathselect=1.4;zeitgeist-2.0;compiz>=0.9.11;libgeis;x11;xfixes;xi>=1.6.99.1;xrender>=0.9' | 14:15 |
| Trevinho | -- Package 'glew', required by 'nux-graphics-4.0', not found | 14:15 |
| Trevinho | CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake-3.9/Modules/FindPkgConfig.cmake:412 (message): | 14:15 |
| oSoMoN | yeah, swiftshader enabled webgl support even without a GPU, that’s pretty cool | 14:15 |
| Trevinho | A required package was not found | 14:15 |
| Trevinho | Call Stack (most recent call first): | 14:15 |
| Trevinho | /usr/share/cmake-3.9/Modules/FindPkgConfig.cmake:588 (_pkg_check_modules_internal) | 14:15 |
| Trevinho | CMakeLists.txt:271 (pkg_check_modules) | 14:15 |
| oSoMoN | sorry Trevinho, I interrupted your flooding :/ | 14:16 |
| Trevinho | ahaha, better yours than mine :) | 14:16 |
| Trevinho | I should have pasted.. | 14:16 |
| Trevinho | Anyway, installing libglew-dev causes libglewmx-dev libnux-4.0-dev to be removed | 14:16 |
| Trevinho | which of course isn't possible | 14:16 |
| Trevinho | Laney: also https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25325952/ | 14:21 |
| Trevinho | so the two glew* packages can't be installed together... | 14:26 |
| Laney | right | 14:28 |
| Laney | that's not new is it? | 14:28 |
| Trevinho | Laney: I've never had this error... | 14:29 |
| Trevinho | it's weird.. | 14:29 |
| Trevinho | Laney: as nux needs both | 14:29 |
| Laney | it only build depends on glewmx | 14:30 |
| Trevinho | Laney: yeah, then you configure and... | 14:30 |
| Trevinho | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/8CNpORg8/ | 14:30 |
| Laney | configure.ac:GL_PKGS="gl glu glewmx xext x11" | 14:33 |
| Laney | have you changed something? | 14:33 |
| Laney | or is this a different version or something? | 14:34 |
| Trevinho | nope... | 14:38 |
| Trevinho | mhmh | 14:39 |
| Laney | artful? zesty? xenial? | 14:39 |
| Trevinho | it's artful | 14:39 |
| Laney | configure.ac:GL_PKGS="gl glu glewmx xext x11" | 14:40 |
| Laney | oops | 14:40 |
| Laney | http://paste.ubuntu.com/25326032/ | 14:40 |
| Trevinho | Laney: yeah, i'm fixing those too | 15:04 |
| Laney | cool | 15:05 |
| Laney | just showing you that I don't get any glew related problems | 15:05 |
| xnox | jbicha, yes, but we no longer ship a single qt4 app on CD, and technically we only need fcaitx iff any qt4 app is installed. | 15:30 |
| jbicha | xnox: ok, look in language-selector then | 15:40 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, did you figure out your glew issue? | 15:46 |
| Trevinho | seb128: I'm fixing nux first | 15:47 |
| Trevinho | as also that needed to be updaed for gcc7 | 15:47 |
| Laney | did you find out what the build deps problem is? | 15:49 |
| Laney | you have libglew-dev installed on your machine or something? | 15:49 |
| Trevinho | Laney: nope, I can't understand actually... | 15:49 |
| Laney | what are you doing to build? | 15:50 |
| Trevinho | Laney: nothing special, just inside a schroot | 16:18 |
| Laney | Trevinho: sbuild -d artful -A nux.dsc? | 16:19 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, can you give the apt install log? | 16:19 |
| Trevinho | I'm in the middle of a new rebuild, let me see how this goes | 16:19 |
| Laney | full log would be helpful indeed | 16:19 |
| Trevinho | as I'll have to use new nux at this point | 16:19 |
| willcooke | night all | 17:07 |
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| ahoneybun | anuone know if the changes Ubuntu has made to GNOME can be turned off in the Tweak Tool? | 21:36 |
| seb128 | ahoneybun, I don't think they can, if you don't want those then use the GNOME session and not the Ubuntu one | 21:41 |
| ahoneybun | mm that's disappointing | 21:57 |
| xubuntu_ | Hi | 22:32 |
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