[06:12] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers!
[06:13] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, ça va ?
[06:14]  * tsimonq2 waves to everyone - happy very early morning hacking :D
[06:16] <didrocks> hey tsimonq2 ;)
[06:17] <tsimonq2> Hey didrocks, long time no see :D
[06:17] <tsimonq2> didrocks: How's things?
[06:25] <didrocks> tsimonq2: really well, thanks! Quite busy with the GNOME Shell transition between blog posts and actually implementing the changes to write the next blog post :p
[06:25] <didrocks> yourself?
[06:26] <tsimonq2> I'm doing pretty well, doing some LXQt and Qt things and doing a lot of packaging :D
[06:26] <tsimonq2> didrocks: But that sounds super cool!
[06:30] <didrocks> nice :-)
[06:30] <didrocks> tsimonq2: speaking of which, today's post will be about sound! :-)
[06:31] <tsimonq2> :F
[06:31] <tsimonq2> *:D
[06:31] <oSoMoN> hey didrocks, ça va et toi?
[06:32] <oSoMoN> (got bitten by the lack of notifications again)
[06:33] <didrocks> oSoMoN: yeah, we really need to take a decision for IM, emails and other kind of sync notifications…
[06:33] <oSoMoN> yup
[07:36] <flexiondotorg> Morning oSoMoN tsimonq2 didrocks
[07:36] <oSoMoN> good morning flexiondotorg
[07:36] <oSoMoN> flexiondotorg, you might want to try "snap install --beta chromium"
[07:37] <flexiondotorg> Already doing it :-)
[07:37] <oSoMoN> :)
[07:38] <didrocks> hey flexiondotorg
[07:40] <flexiondotorg> oSoMoN Do you want to post a call for testing for that in forum.snapcraft.io?
[07:41] <flexiondotorg> I could, but I don't want to steal your thunder :-)
[07:41] <flexiondotorg> didrocks o/
[07:41] <oSoMoN> flexiondotorg, yes, I’ll do that
[07:41] <flexiondotorg> Excellent.
[07:41] <flexiondotorg> This looks very solid.
[07:41] <flexiondotorg> I'll use it as my main browser today :-)
[07:42]  * oSoMoN expects a slew of bug reports by the end of the day
[07:43] <flexiondotorg> oSoMoN Well, let's see :-)
[07:43] <flexiondotorg> didrocks I fixed a thing :-)
[07:43] <flexiondotorg> didrocks Could you cast an eye over this merge proposal please - https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/unity-gtk-module/lp1710999/+merge/329080
[07:44] <flexiondotorg> If fixes this rather annoying bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-gtk-module/+bug/1710999
[07:44] <oSoMoN> flexiondotorg, note that one obvious thing that doesn't work is opening downloaded files, that’s https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1705708
[07:44] <tsimonq2> Hey hey flexiondotorg :D
[07:46] <flexiondotorg> oSoMoN Looks like tht will land soon thankfully.
[07:46] <oSoMoN> yes
[07:56] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: I guess that makes sense, just a small nitpick :)
[07:58] <flexiondotorg> didrocks Sorry, I didn't make that clear. I have tested Unity and GNOME.
[07:59] <flexiondotorg> didrocks I've update the opening comment.
[08:01] <willcooke> ahoy
[08:02] <Laney> moin
[08:02] <tsimonq2> ahoy willcooke and Laney :D
[08:03] <flexiondotorg> willcooke Laney o/
[08:04] <flexiondotorg> didrocks I think that double (( is required.
[08:04] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: hum, you have ((! something ))
[08:04] <didrocks> hey willcooke, Laney
[08:05] <flexiondotorg> Otherwise the `if` that results from the macro won't work.
[08:05] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: ah ok, thanks for testing in Unity as well, I thought you only tested seeded packages :)
[08:05] <didrocks> hum, let me relook
[08:05] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: ahhhhhhhhh
[08:05] <didrocks> diffrealfail :)
[08:06] <didrocks> read*
[08:06] <flexiondotorg> :-)
[08:06] <flexiondotorg> Yeah, it is easier when not a diff.
[08:06] <didrocks> approved thus! :)
[08:06] <flexiondotorg> Thank you!
[08:07] <didrocks> yw, are you going to land it?
[08:07]  * flexiondotorg heads to bileto
[08:07] <didrocks> good :)
[08:08] <flexiondotorg> It will need sign off to land, but I'll get it all started.
[08:17] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:17] <Laney> hey tsimonq2 flexiondotorg didrocks
[08:17] <Laney> hey seb128, you good?
[08:17] <Laney> got back ok?
[08:17] <seb128> I'm good thanks!
[08:17] <seb128> yeah, arrived at 23h, train was easy
[08:17] <seb128> even got time for a beer with willcooke at the station before leaving
[08:18] <didrocks> Laney: welcome back!
[08:20] <Laney> nice
[08:20] <Laney> thanks didrocks
[08:20] <Laney> seems you've been busy ;-)
[08:20] <oSoMoN> good morning seb128
[08:21] <seb128> lut oSoMoN
[08:22] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, long days TBH
[08:22] <Laney> you love it
[08:22] <didrocks> Laney: like, the whole thing isn't possible to do such changes one a day, happy to have started last week, but shhhhh :)
[08:23] <didrocks> also, the fact that Julie isn't back to work helped not taking the 15th, but I'll definitively swap it anyway :)
[08:23] <didrocks> how was debconf?
[08:23] <Laney> what is the 15th?
[08:24] <didrocks> THE day off in France
[08:25] <didrocks> I guess due to celebrating 20 years of GNOME ofc :p
[08:29] <Laney> yeah debconf was good, you should watch talk videos online
[08:30] <didrocks> I guess I'll, but probably after FF :)
[08:30] <Laney> there was this "debian is too hard to change" thing going around
[08:30] <didrocks> hum?
[08:30] <Laney> about responding to software changes
[08:30] <Laney> like each language coming with its own package manager now and debian not having a good answer to that
[08:31] <Laney> or also delivering apps in a different way
[08:31] <didrocks> ahah, it's really the new sense of the wind :)
[08:33] <seb128> Laney, is there any buying from Debian in post-deb techs yet?
[08:33] <seb128> out of groups in Debian focussed on making those available I mean
[08:36] <Laney> that's not the way that it would work
[08:36] <Laney> people would work on it, and then they would show what they have come up with
[08:37] <Laney> and maybe then push for it to be available in some wider way
[08:37] <Laney> there won't be some central development
[08:37] <Laney> but smcv is working on some tools to make runtimes / flatpaks available from the archive, he gave a talk about that
[08:40] <seb128> sorry, let me rephrase, I forgot that you like to be picky on the wording of questions :-)
[08:40] <seb128> was there any attempt from smcv or other to push flatpak a bit forward
[08:41] <seb128> and if so what was the feeling/reaction around that push
[08:41] <seb128> if you got a feeling of what people who are not involved in the techs think
[08:42] <Laney> hmm, wasn't trying to be picky but I probably do it without knowing
[08:42] <Laney> it's done in a debianish way
[08:42] <Laney> people say "here is some code, look what it can do"
[08:42] <seb128> yeah, I know how Debian works thank :-)
[08:42] <Laney> and then others are like "what about the DFSG / security / whatever""
[08:43] <Laney> and it's like "yeah we need to think about that, let's go away and do that"
[08:43] <seb128> there is code around by now, I was wondering if it trigger some discussions yet
[08:43] <Laney> :(
[08:43] <Laney> not trying to be argumentative
[08:44] <Laney> so it's not like it's hated or anything but it's going to be tough to figure out the things that debian people value and how they work in a new world
[08:45] <Laney> like if debian maintainers don't maintain everything, what does that mean?
[08:45] <Laney> & if things aren't reviewed by the ftp team
[08:46] <Laney> or taking some things out of the normal release process and delivering them in a different way
[08:46] <Laney> cuts out all the processes there
[08:46] <seb128> right
[08:46] <seb128> lot of open questions
[08:46] <seb128> as we know since we have the same ones around here :-)
[08:46] <Laney> ya
[08:46] <Laney> so it's at the stage of thinking about these things
[08:47] <seb128> cool
[08:47] <seb128> let's wait and see what comes next
[08:47] <seb128> thanks for the summary Laney!
[08:50] <flexiondotorg> Morning seb128. Interesting discussion :-)
[08:51] <Laney> fun stuff
[08:58] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg
[08:58] <seb128> indeed
[09:01] <willcooke> koza, duflu seb128 - having trouble with the hangout - on my way but might need a reboot
[09:01] <koza> willcooke, 10-4
[09:14] <popey> didrocks: nice blog post
[09:16] <didrocks> popey: thx!
[09:18] <popey> didrocks: i have an audio question / bug :)
[09:19] <popey> dunno if it's part of what you're talking about landing
[09:19] <didrocks> popey: no, it's not because I touched that that I'm a pulseaudio expert, don't even try :)
[09:19] <popey> haha
[09:19] <didrocks> popey: kidding, what's about it?
[09:19] <popey> dammit
[09:19] <popey> if i plug my laptop into an external tv, and set audio to go out that way, it all works as expected.
[09:19] <popey> however, if i then yank the displayport cable out, display switches back to internal panel, but audio doesn't switch back to internal
[09:20] <popey> so all audio is silent after pulling the cable out, it doesn't autoswitch back to internal sound card. I have to manually open sound control panel and click the internal card
[09:20] <didrocks> interesting, I don't know if it's similar to another issue I have
[09:20] <didrocks> mine is autoswitch on new device discovery
[09:20] <didrocks> which can be good…
[09:20] <didrocks> but not when you have a server with avahi enabled
[09:21] <popey> i can file a bug of course, and video it to show
[09:21] <didrocks> I want mostly to keep it local, and only switch to server when I ask for it
[09:21] <didrocks> popey: I guess file a bug, I should do the same for my case
[09:21] <popey> against what? pulse?
[09:21] <didrocks> I would say pulse, yeah
[09:21] <popey> kk, will do
[09:22] <didrocks> popey: *if* I have time to look at my issue, (not before FF), I'll look at yours as well
[09:22] <popey> thanks
[09:27] <seb128> popey, when you have bugs it would be useful if you opened them upstream, they have more hackers than us and it increases the chance somebody can have a look
[09:30] <popey> seb128: sure, both launchpad and upstream and linked? or only upstream?
[09:30] <seb128> launchpad as well if you can
[09:31] <seb128> we still want to know about it so we can work on it if upstream doesn't or we can backport a fix if they come with one
[09:38] <muktupavels> didrocks: why did you choose to use lowercase name for DesktopNames / XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP? It is not consistent with other names. Unity, GNOME-Classic, Budgie... ubuntu is now only dekstop name that is used lowercase there.
[09:44] <seb128> muktupavels, he went for exercice so I guess it's going to a bit before he replies
[10:15] <Trevinho> seb128, Laney, I've troubles in building unity7 after the new gcc7 change as nux depends on libglewmx-dev but that conflicts with libglew-dev
[10:15] <Trevinho> so I'm not sure what's going on there
[10:24] <seb128> Trevinho, I don't know offhand, glew didn't change since zesty
[10:24] <popey> seb128: filed the bug but looks like it's known upstream and no timeline for a fix :( bug 1711101
[10:25] <Trevinho> seb128: mh, I see there are not many changes, but for some reasons I can't build it...
[10:25] <Trevinho> nor lp
[10:26] <seb128> popey, thanks
[10:27] <Laney> Trevinho: got a log?
[10:27] <seb128> popey, do you have a gnome bug that got closed? if so it might still worth mentioning it on the launchpad bug
[10:28] <Trevinho> Laney: mh, now... well lp was failing somewhere else though, let me  check my situation
[10:28] <popey> seb128: i linked the bug to the upstream freedesktop pulse bug already
[10:28] <seb128> right
[10:28] <seb128> I though you maybe opened a GNOME g-c-c bug
[10:29] <seb128> which got closed with a pointer to the pulseaudio one
[10:29] <popey> oh i see, no
[10:29] <seb128> k, all good then
[10:29] <popey> ya
[10:29] <seb128> thanks
[10:37] <koza> willcooke, duflu, funny, seems that zyga's headset triggers the same crash I have seen with Sony SBH52 and which someone else sees with Plantronics. damn those premium headsets ;-)
[10:40] <seb128> :-/
[10:53] <koza> having zyga and his headset next to me, Ill debug this one for a while today
[11:38] <didrocks> muktupavels: the idea is that it's a properties, not a desktop name
[11:38] <didrocks> so both unity and the default ubuntu gnome session inherits it
[11:39] <muktupavels> didrocks: But ubuntu is desktop name, no?
[11:39] <muktupavels> XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=Ubuntu:GNOME
[11:41] <flexiondotorg> didrocks Could you click publish here please? https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2902
[11:42] <oSoMoN> seb128, do you think you’ll have time to look at libreoffice 5.4.0 this week?
[11:43] <didrocks> muktupavels: it's in current desktop, but it's intended to be common properties with most ubuntu desktop, even flavor
[11:44] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: I don't even know where the publish button is
[11:44] <didrocks> ah found it
[11:47] <muktupavels> Is not ubuntu:GNOME meant to be same thing as GNOME-Classic:GNOME?
[11:48] <muktupavels> ubuntu is used to customize GNOME...
[11:48] <didrocks> muktupavels: it's used to customize the unity session as well
[11:48] <didrocks> XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=Unity:Unity7:ubuntu
[11:49] <muktupavels> still I think it should be Ubuntu...
[11:49] <didrocks> let's agree to disagree :) (andI don't think it's the end of the world ;))
[11:50] <muktupavels> :)
[11:59] <seb128> oSoMoN, yes, I started this morning
[11:59] <oSoMoN> excellent, thanks!
[12:29] <koza> seb128, found a fix for the crash I have been talking today during the BT sync; seems that you will have a chance to upload bluez once again this week :-)
[12:29] <willcooke> koza, \o/ well done!
[12:29] <koza> this might be your fav task this summer I reckon ;-)
[12:34] <seb128> koza, I saw that, good finding!
[12:34] <seb128> haha
[12:48] <seb128> is it only me or that behaviour of firefox/tb showing their menu on alt is weird and confusing?
[12:48] <seb128> I keep triggering the menus on alt-tab
[12:48] <seb128> and it's not very discoverable but you need the menus to access to some actions
[12:50] <jbicha> seb128: it makes sense on Windows where other apps show their menus on Alt too
[12:50] <jbicha> good morning
[12:50] <seb128> windows does that
[12:50] <seb128> ?
[12:51] <seb128> so non tech users who use a mouse never find the menus? ;-)
[12:52] <jbicha> they don't need all those extra options…
[12:54] <seb128> so remove the menu
[12:54] <seb128> if it's not needed
[12:54] <jbicha> xnox: the extra language support is defined in language-selector's data/pkg_depends … but we decided a while ago to install complete language support for the languages on the iso
[12:54] <jbicha> seb128: good luck pleasing "power users" like that ;)
[12:59] <seb128> jbicha, shrug, why do you always feel like arguing
[12:59] <seb128> just tell me it's me who gets annoyed but alt-tab doing a flickering of the ui
[12:59] <seb128> and we can move on
[13:00] <jbicha> sorry
[13:00] <jbicha> alt-tab doesn't interact bad with firefox here
[13:00] <seb128> but->by
[13:01] <seb128> I think I sometime put my finger on alt to do an alt-tab
[13:01] <seb128> and decide against it so relax the key
[13:01] <jbicha> yes that will do it
[13:02] <seb128> I find it quite disturbing
[13:04] <seb128> need to step out for an hour or so
[13:04] <seb128> bbl
[13:05] <jbicha> seb128: about:config set ui.key.menuAccessKeyFocuses to false
[13:34] <jbicha> popey: could you see if you can add ubuntu-core-dev as a member of https://launchpad.net/~unity-greeter-team ?
[13:44] <oSoMoN> flexiondotorg, willcooke: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/call-for-testing-chromium-snap/1714
[13:44] <flexiondotorg> oSoMoN Nice!
[13:44] <willcooke> cheers oSoMoN
[13:45] <willcooke> Will share
[13:45] <flexiondotorg> Just shared with the Solus community :-)
[13:48] <oSoMoN> and https://plus.google.com/+OlivierTilloy/posts/gNoezKBky9W
[14:06] <popey> oSoMoN: can you add this image to your snapcraft forum post please http://imgur.com/a/PFxE0
[14:06] <popey> I want to share it via the snapcraft social channel, but they perform 1000 times better with a good image
[14:09] <oSoMoN> popey, done
[14:09] <popey> thanks!
[14:10] <popey> also, nice to see chrome experiments works
[14:10] <popey> even in a vm!
[14:14] <popey> ok, shared via @snapcraftio and re-shared via @ubuntu on twitter, facebook and G+
[14:14] <popey> Nice work oSoMoN :D
[14:14] <Trevinho> cool oSoMoN!
[14:15] <Trevinho> Laney: so I've tested again, but when configuring unity I'm getting
[14:15] <Trevinho> -- Checking for modules
[14:15] <Trevinho> 'unity-protocol-private>=7.1.0;appstream-glib;atk;atk-bridge-2.0;cairo>=1.13.1;dbusmenu-glib-0.4;dee-1.0;gio-2.0>=2.30.0;gio-unix-2.0;gmodule-2.0;gthread-2.0;gtk+-3.0>=3.1;indicator3-0.4>=0.4.90;json-glib-1.0;libbamf3>=0.5.3;gnome-desktop-3.0;libnotify;libstartup-notification-1.0;nux-4.0>=4.0.5;sigc++-2.0>=2.4.0;unity-misc>=0.4.0;xpathselect=1.4;zeitgeist-2.0;compiz>=0.9.11;libgeis;x11;xfixes;xi>=1.6.99.1;xrender>=0.9'
[14:15] <Trevinho> --   Package 'glew', required by 'nux-graphics-4.0', not found
[14:15] <Trevinho> CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake-3.9/Modules/FindPkgConfig.cmake:412 (message):
[14:15] <oSoMoN> yeah, swiftshader enabled webgl support even without a GPU, that’s pretty cool
[14:15] <Trevinho>   A required package was not found
[14:15] <Trevinho> Call Stack (most recent call first):
[14:15] <Trevinho>   /usr/share/cmake-3.9/Modules/FindPkgConfig.cmake:588 (_pkg_check_modules_internal)
[14:15] <Trevinho>   CMakeLists.txt:271 (pkg_check_modules)
[14:16] <oSoMoN> sorry Trevinho, I interrupted your flooding :/
[14:16] <Trevinho> ahaha, better yours than mine :)
[14:16] <Trevinho> I should have pasted..
[14:16] <Trevinho> Anyway, installing libglew-dev causes libglewmx-dev libnux-4.0-dev to be removed
[14:16] <Trevinho> which of course isn't possible
[14:21] <Trevinho> Laney: also https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25325952/
[14:26] <Trevinho> so the two glew* packages can't be installed together...
[14:28] <Laney> right
[14:28] <Laney> that's not new is it?
[14:29] <Trevinho> Laney: I've never had this error...
[14:29] <Trevinho> it's weird..
[14:29] <Trevinho> Laney: as nux needs both
[14:30] <Laney> it only build depends on glewmx
[14:30] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah, then you configure and...
[14:30] <Trevinho> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/8CNpORg8/
[14:33] <Laney> configure.ac:GL_PKGS="gl glu glewmx xext x11"
[14:33] <Laney> have you changed something?
[14:34] <Laney> or is this a different version or something?
[14:38] <Trevinho> nope...
[14:39] <Trevinho> mhmh
[14:39] <Laney> artful? zesty? xenial?
[14:39] <Trevinho> it's artful
[14:40] <Laney> configure.ac:GL_PKGS="gl glu glewmx xext x11"
[14:40] <Laney> oops
[14:40] <Laney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25326032/
[15:04] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah, i'm fixing those too
[15:05] <Laney> cool
[15:05] <Laney> just showing you that I don't get any glew related problems
[15:30] <xnox> jbicha, yes, but we no longer ship a single qt4 app on CD, and technically we only need fcaitx iff any qt4 app is installed.
[15:40] <jbicha> xnox: ok, look in language-selector then
[15:46] <seb128> Trevinho, did you figure out your glew issue?
[15:47] <Trevinho> seb128: I'm fixing nux first
[15:47] <Trevinho> as also that needed to be updaed for gcc7
[15:49] <Laney> did you find out what the build deps problem is?
[15:49] <Laney> you have libglew-dev installed on your machine or something?
[15:49] <Trevinho> Laney: nope, I can't understand actually...
[15:50] <Laney> what are you doing to build?
[16:18] <Trevinho> Laney: nothing special, just inside a schroot
[16:19] <Laney> Trevinho: sbuild -d artful -A nux.dsc?
[16:19] <seb128> Trevinho, can you give the apt install log?
[16:19] <Trevinho> I'm in the middle of a new rebuild, let me see how this goes
[16:19] <Laney> full log would be helpful indeed
[16:19] <Trevinho> as I'll have to use new nux at this point
[17:07] <willcooke> night all
[21:36] <ahoneybun> anuone know if the changes Ubuntu has made to GNOME can be turned off in the Tweak Tool?
[21:41] <seb128> ahoneybun, I don't think they can, if you don't want those then use the GNOME session and not the Ubuntu one
[21:57] <ahoneybun> mm that's disappointing
[22:32] <xubuntu_> Hi