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[11:16] <BluesKaj_> Hiyas all
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[14:37] <clivejo> ahoneybun: Could you pick up https://phabricator.kde.org/T6822 ?
[14:37] <clivejo> also, Dragon Player being dropped off the iso in favour of VLC?
[14:38] <clivejo> actually Amaorok too
[14:38] <clivejo> that slide needs looked at IMO
[14:47] <clivejo> anyone about?
[14:47] <clivejo> BBB in ten minutes?
 ok
 It's our anniversary today so my wife and i are going out for breakfast. I will be on later today.
[14:55] <clivejo> oh Happy Anniversary :)
[14:59] <NateGraham> Hello again
[14:59] <clivejo> howdy
[15:00] <NateGraham> the mtp package was definitely not installed by default in the zesty image
[15:00] <NateGraham> let me check on the artful image I just downloaded
[15:02] <acheronuk> what mtp package?
[15:02] <NateGraham> mtpfs
[15:02] <NateGraham> https://phabricator.kde.org/T5117
[15:04] <alleehol> Hi, installing right now artful daily:  Installer slide show claim that krunner can be started with Alt-F1  But it's Alt-F2 not F1
[15:04] <clivejo> Alt F1 is kickoff menu?
[15:04] <NateGraham> clivejo: there's still a problem: http://i.imgur.com/OknGanY.png
[15:04] <alleehol> clivejo: yes
[15:06] <clivejo> NateGraham: thats on artful ?
[15:06] <NateGraham> correct
[15:06] <clivejo> weird
[15:06] <clivejo> I get
[15:06] <clivejo> mtpfs is already the newest version (1.1-5).
[15:07] <NateGraham> so I installed artful-desktop-amd64.iso from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[15:08] <alleehol> clivejo: fresh artful install (10 min ago) and I also don't have mtpfs.
[15:08] <alleehol> clivejo: apt policy mtpfs  ?
[15:08] <NateGraham> now it seems that it's not even packaged anymore
[15:09] <NateGraham> Installed: (none)
[15:09] <NateGraham> Candidate (none)
[15:10] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mtpfs
[15:10] <clivejo> not in artful
[15:10] <NateGraham> well there ya go :)
[15:10] <clivejo> !info mtpfs unstable
[15:13] <clivejo> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/12/how-to-mount-android-40-ubuntu-go-mtpfs.html
[15:15] <clivejo> does installing go-mtpfs work?
[15:15] <NateGraham> yes, go-mtpfs is there (not installed by default, though)
[15:16] <clivejo> but does it allow dolphin to access Android files?
[15:16] <NateGraham> I don't actually have an Android phone, so I can't test that, but I do have an iPhone
[15:16] <alleehol> go-mtpfs is either rock solid or not changed for 2 years ;-)
[15:16] <NateGraham> though I think that uses PTP, not MTP, right
[15:18] <acheronuk> clivejo: on a releted issue, you saw? https://code.launchpad.net/~vorlon/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.artful-kio-mtp-removal/+merge/328886
[15:19] <clivejo> I didn't
[15:20] <clivejo> I installed go-mtpfs and removed mtpfs and it appears to work
[15:21] <NateGraham> awesome
[15:21] <clivejo> can someone else verify that?
[15:23] <clivejo> acheronuk: Ill remove that then and install go-mtpfs instead
[15:30] <clivejo> https://github.com/hanwen/go-mtpfs
[15:30] <clivejo> 2 years old :/
[15:37] <clivejo> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.artful/changes
[15:40] <clivejo> so changed it to go-mtpfs
[15:53] <clivejo> NateGraham: I've updated the seed to pull in go-mtpfs now
[15:53] <acheronuk> flash crashed on BBB
[15:53] <clivejo> so need to test it tomorrow 
[15:54] <clivejo> Ill just talk to myself then!
[16:01] <NateGraham> hi clivejo, sorry, I was away for a moment
[16:01] <clivejo> no problem
[16:01] <clivejo> have you ever been on Big Blue Button?
[16:01] <NateGraham> my son wants to go play legos together :)
[16:02] <NateGraham> no, I don't know what that is
[16:02]  * NateGraham looks it up on wikipedia
[16:02] <clivejo> kubuntu.blindsidenetworks.net
[16:02] <NateGraham> cool
[16:03] <NateGraham> I gotta go now though
[16:03] <NateGraham> be back later
[16:03] <clivejo> use your IRC name for username and password in "welcome"
[16:03] <clivejo> ah ok
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 @clivejo, That slide is not there anymore
 Nathan spotted it in last nights spin
 It's not there in the next update tho
 That slide is gone
 are you sure you pushed it
 Yea it's in proposed
[18:14] <acheronuk> migrated to release 6hrs ago, so changes should be in tomorows iso
 try pushing it again, just a bit harder this time
 git push +++
[18:20] <acheronuk> bzr push --jfdi
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[18:27]  * clivejo shakes head
[18:28] <clivejo> hi soee_
[18:32] <soee_> hiho clivejo
[18:33] <clivejo> how are things with you?
[18:33] <soee_> im all wet, rainy day today :)
[18:34] <clivejo> you don't have to go stand in it you know! :P
[18:34] <clivejo> hi gsilvapt
[18:35] <gsilvapt> weird, my bnc freaked out 
[18:35] <soee_> i was playing soccer match, no choice to stay or not in rain ;)
[18:35] <gsilvapt> hey, clivejo 
[18:35] <clivejo> ah, thats a good excuse :)
[18:36] <soee_> :P
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[18:43] <clivejo> acheronuk: are you using KCI?
[18:45] <acheronuk> not actively, but fixing merges has triggered stuff. can kill the jobs if you want
[18:45] <clivejo> was gonna update jenkins
[18:45] <clivejo> if I can remember how!
[18:45] <clivejo> I need a new brain
[18:46] <ahoneybun> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6Y-eujlUpM
[18:46] <clivejo> too many bad block errors
[18:47] <clivejo> WTF
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 you broke it?
[18:53] <clivejo> pond always gives me a heart attack, it takes so long to come back!
[18:55] <gsilvapt> bloody hell, this news installation is killing me 
[18:55] <gsilvapt> argh
[18:55] <clivejo> killing you?
[18:55] <gsilvapt> yes
[18:55] <clivejo> why?!
[18:55] <gsilvapt> Constant crashes, struggles with UEFI and Legacy
[19:00]  * DarinMiller 17.10 brand new installation here is the best in a long time.  Even the printer configured without a fight.
[19:03] <clivejo> hi DarinMiller
[19:03] <clivejo> have a nice anniversary breakfast?
[19:04] <clivejo> does anyone have the resources to test all the recently ported apps on a base Ubuntu system?
[19:09] <clivejo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/zesty/+source/ktouch/+bug/1688233
[19:13] <DarinMiller> hi clivejo
[19:13]  * clivejo waves
[19:14] <DarinMiller> breakfast was good, but not as good as we typically have at home (but my did not make it so she was happy)
[19:15] <clivejo> doing anything else today?
[19:17] <DarinMiller> clivejo: I can test the ported apps... what other apps aside from ktouch?
[19:17] <clivejo> need to compile a list of recently ported ones
[19:18] <acheronuk> https://community.kde.org/Applications/17.04_Release_Notes#Tarballs_that_were_based_on_kdelibs4_and_are_now_KF5_based
[19:18] <DarinMiller> would it be the latests apps found here: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git
[19:18] <acheronuk> the bigger job is for 17.08
[19:19] <clivejo> maybe start a phab task?
[19:19] <acheronuk> https://community.kde.org/Applications/17.08_Release_Notes#Tarballs_that_were_based_on_kdelibs4_and_are_now_KF5_based
[19:19] <acheronuk> 17.08 will need KCI for a bit
[19:20] <acheronuk> clivejo:  I was going to, but as usual, got sidetracked
[19:20] <acheronuk> clivejo: you restart KCI?
[19:20] <clivejo> yeah
[19:20] <clivejo> updating plugins
[19:20] <clivejo> so slow!
[19:21] <clivejo> think thats me done!
[19:24]  * acheronuk waits for kexi to sync
[19:25] <clivejo> from Debian
[19:25] <clivejo> ?
[19:25] <acheronuk> yes
[19:25] <clivejo> oh so that might get in Artful
[19:25] <acheronuk> uploaded to unsable, so should auto sync soon
[19:26] <acheronuk> !info kexi unstable
[19:26] <acheronuk> bot is still behind
[19:26] <acheronuk> https://packages.debian.org/sid/kexi
[19:32] <clivejo> anyone know if there is VAG-COM software for Linux?
[19:35] <clivejo> welcome back NateGraham
[19:35] <NateGraham> thanks
[19:35] <clivejo> finished playing lego?
[19:35] <NateGraham> yep
[19:36] <NateGraham> we made a wild west fort and locked up the bad guys :)
[19:36] <clivejo> just were they should be!
[19:41] <clivejo> NateGraham: where are you from?
[19:43] <NateGraham> the USA
[19:43] <clivejo> what part?
[19:43] <NateGraham> hard question :) I grew up in Illinois, moved around a ton over the years, and am now living in New Mexico
[19:43] <clivejo> that sounds hot!
[19:44] <NateGraham> yeah, it does get rather hot in the summer; as high as 40.5c
[19:44] <NateGraham> but we get snow in the winter, too
[19:44] <clivejo> holy cow
[19:45] <NateGraham> last year it went up to 42c
[19:46] <clivejo> that's too hot!
[19:46] <NateGraham> yeah, it becomes dangerous to go outside
[19:47] <NateGraham> but that only lasts for about a week, max
[19:47] <clivejo> how long have you been a kubuntu user?
[19:47] <NateGraham> about 2 months
[19:47] <clivejo> oh, what did you use before that?
[19:48] <NateGraham> I converted from openSUSE TW with Plasma for 2 months, and before that GNOME on Fedora for 7 months, and before that macOS for 23 years
[19:48] <clivejo> wow
[19:48] <NateGraham> I used to work for Apple, and when I left, I decided to join the FOSS world
 that's long term Mac use!
 ohhhhhh....
[19:49] <clivejo> so what are your first impressions?
[19:49] <NateGraham> So far KDE Plasma beats the pants off of anything else I've used when it comes to usability and user friendliness
[19:49] <NateGraham> which is the perspective I'm coming from
[19:50] <NateGraham> I've always appreciated how macOS (for the most part) manages to ffer a satisfying power user experience while also being simple and approachable enough for the other 99% of people
[19:50] <NateGraham> I think Plasma does a good job of this as well
[19:50] <NateGraham> could be better, of course, and that's why I'm contributing :)
[19:51] <clivejo> what is lollipop?
[19:52] <NateGraham> A music player made for GNOME 3
[19:52] <NateGraham> it is magnificent
[19:52] <NateGraham> too bad it's written in GTK, though
[19:52] <NateGraham> https://github.com/gnumdk/lollypop
[19:52] <clivejo> have you been following babe or elisa?
[19:52] <NateGraham> no, I haven't
[19:53] <NateGraham> here is my list of required features:
[19:53] <NateGraham> - Column browser that goes Genre > Artist > Album
[19:53] <NateGraham> - Shows album art everywhere
[19:53] <NateGraham> - Shows only non-redundant info, rather than lazily presenting a table view
[19:53] <clivejo> where is lollipop packaged?
[19:53] <NateGraham> - Automatic lyric downloading
[19:53] <NateGraham> - Reads and writes metadata (play count, rating, lyrics, etc) to files, not a database
[19:53] <NateGraham> - Albums are or can be sorted by year
[19:53] <NateGraham> - Rating system can be love/un-love rather than stars
[19:53] <NateGraham> - Static playlists
[19:53] <NateGraham> - Smart playlists
[19:53] <NateGraham> - Supports songs tagged with multiple genres
[19:53] <NateGraham> oh eek
[19:53] <NateGraham> sorry, I'm a bit of an IRC noob
[19:53] <NateGraham> it's not currently packaged for Ubuntu, so I'm getting it via the developer's PPA
[19:53] <NateGraham> it is packaged in Fedora and openSUSE TW, FWIW
[19:55] <NateGraham> other than that, I am using Firefox instead of Konqueror, and Thunderbird instead of KMail, and for the rest, KDE apps
[19:56] <NateGraham> if anyone's interested, here's the list of bugzilla tickets I'm tracking to make Plasma even better for my use cases: https://pastebin.com/KVd4TUrc
[19:56]  * acheronuk looks it up
[19:56] <NateGraham> I know people have vastly different tastes regarding what they want in a music player, but for me, Lollypop hits a lot of high notes
[19:58] <clivejo> maybe the developer can autodetect the window manager and turn the features on or off?
[19:58] <NateGraham> I suspect he doesn't care enough to do that; he is pretty focused on GNOME and GNOME technologies
[19:58] <NateGraham> especially because there are easy-ish workarounds in Plasma
[19:58] <NateGraham> but it's not a terrible idea, I can file a bug
[19:59] <acheronuk> no sign of debian packaging it :/ https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=847937
[20:05] <NateGraham> https://github.com/gnumdk/lollypop/issues/1219
[20:05] <clivejo> looks good
[20:06] <NateGraham> the dev is currently on vacation until the end of the month, I believe
[20:06] <NateGraham> which is why his bug tracker has a whopping 31 bugs open; it's usually around 10
[20:06] <NateGraham> he does a great job at bug management
[20:08] <clivejo> does he package it too?
[20:08] <NateGraham> he has a flatpak
[20:08] <NateGraham> I know in openSUSE it's packaged by someone else
[20:08] <NateGraham> dunno about the fedora package
[20:09] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~gnumdk/+archive/ubuntu/lollypop ?
[20:10] <NateGraham> yep, that's the PPA I use
[20:10] <NateGraham> and yeah, he makes that one
[20:10] <NateGraham> that's his name, Cédric Bellegarde
[20:16] <clivejo> I kinda like it :/
[20:16] <NateGraham> No shame in that! Let's not fall prey to NIH syndrome
[20:17] <NateGraham> anyway, hopefully now it's a bit clearer why I'm trying to make GTK apps look better in Kubuntu
[20:18] <clivejo> not something I have a lot of experience with
[20:18] <NateGraham> so to come full circle, you invited me here in https://phabricator.kde.org/T6823
[20:19] <clivejo> I did indeed
[20:19] <NateGraham> yeah, I've had to learn a lot about how GTK and KWin interact recently while trying to debug why GNOME apps looked like crap no matter what I did
[20:19] <clivejo> I wanted to hear your opinions
[20:19] <NateGraham> but I think I found a way to fix them, and I wanted to share that with other KDE users!
[20:20] <NateGraham> so yeah, the solution is 1) install gtk3-nocsd and 2) switch GNOME Application Style from Breeze to Default
[20:20] <NateGraham> we;ve already done #1, and #2 is covered by https://phabricator.kde.org/T6823
[20:20] <clivejo> do you know about theming at all?
[20:20] <NateGraham> not really, but I'm up for learning anything
[20:21] <NateGraham> There are bugs in the Breeze GTK theme that cause the need for these hacks
[20:21] <NateGraham> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356006 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357524 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365924 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=379637
[20:22] <clivejo> I would like to have a Unity like theme for Kubuntu
[20:22] <NateGraham> to be honest, I've never been a fan of themes that try to be something they're not
[20:22] <NateGraham> like macOS themes
[20:22] <NateGraham> it's *not* a Mac; pretending otherwise will just frustrate people who do wish they were using a Mac
[20:22] <clivejo> a blatant attempt to tempt ex Unity users to Plasma 
[20:23] <NateGraham> same thing for Unity refugees, I imagine. There's more to it than just a theme. It's about features and behavior, not where the panel goes
[20:23] <clivejo> with global menus now in plasma, it should be doable
[20:23] <NateGraham> for example Unity users want a global menubar that works with every app, and a HUD that lets them search for keyboard shortcuts
[20:23] <NateGraham> the problem with the global menu IIRC is that it doesn't work for every program
[20:24] <NateGraham> Canonical patched recalcitrant programs into working with their global menu bar; we probably don't have the resources or willingness to do likewise
[20:24] <NateGraham> and we have no equivalent of the HUD
[20:24] <NateGraham> There is actually an equivalent for GTK programs, but it only works for GTK programs: https://github.com/p-e-w/plotinus
[20:24] <clivejo> I thought krunner could be configured to be HUDish
[20:25] <clivejo> but I dunno, also hated using Unity
[20:25] <NateGraham> is there a plugin that finds menu items in the currently open program?
[20:25] <clivejo> hence ending up with Plasma
[20:25] <NateGraham> that's what the Unity HUD does
[20:25] <NateGraham> yeah I experimented with Ubuntu a lot while still a Mac user but also couldn't really get into it
[20:26] <NateGraham> after I moved to LInux, I gave GNOME a good, honest shot for 7 months, but it was just not gonna work out
[20:26] <clivejo> do you use latte dock?
[20:26] <NateGraham> no
[20:26] <NateGraham> just an icons-only task manager on the left side
[20:27] <NateGraham> only issues are with the clock: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=381548 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=381551
[20:28] <NateGraham> also on the subject of GNOME, I had a really long public discussion with some GNOME devs on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/6tkk7z/the_gnome_way/
[20:29] <NateGraham> it was... enlightening
[20:29] <NateGraham> (I'm PointiestStick)
[20:33] <clivejo> lot of reading
[20:34] <NateGraham> it's not homework :) I just thought folks might be interested in the way life seems to GNOME developers
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[20:35] <NateGraham> basically, they are totally shell-shocked by the reaction they've gotten to the GNOME 3 over the years, and are accordingly very conservative in places that they should be bold and fast-moving
[20:35] <NateGraham> IMHO
[20:36] <clivejo> what are your interests?
[20:36] <clivejo> regarding contributing I mean
[20:37] <NateGraham> Basically anything I use
[20:37] <NateGraham> Plasma, Dolphin, Kate, Konsole, Discover, System Settings, Konversation
[20:37] <NateGraham> the distro as a whole, too
[20:38] <clivejo> do you enjoy testing, or need a stable system?
[20:38] <NateGraham> I use a Vm with Neon in it for testing; generally I want a stable system
[20:38] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[20:38] <NateGraham> my wish were that it were possible to selectively use rolling versions of only things I specified, while leaving the rest of the system stable
[20:39] <clivejo> do you know the history behind neon etc?
[20:39] <NateGraham> probably not as well as you do; I'd love to hear the story
[20:40] <clivejo> and what Kubuntu CI (KCI) is
[20:40] <NateGraham> dunno that
[20:40] <clivejo> thats the noisy thing that makes lots of scrolling in here!
[20:41] <NateGraham> :)
[20:41] <NateGraham> I love CI; I used to be a build & Release engineer
[20:41] <clivejo> http://kci.pangea.pub/
[20:41] <clivejo> we are building on xenial, zesty and artful
[20:41] <NateGraham> in fact, starting Monday I will be again, so I don't expect I'll have as much time for IRC :)
[20:42] <clivejo> thats a shame
[20:42] <NateGraham> yah. Gotta pay the bills, though
[20:42] <clivejo> I hear ya!
[20:43] <acheronuk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhJQSpy3Luc
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[20:45]  * clivejo coughs unstable
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[20:46]  * acheronuk hands clive a cough sweet
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[20:54] <NateGraham> clivejo, do you do code reviews on Phabricator? I've got a patch I'm hoping to get in: https://phabricator.kde.org/D7354
[20:54] <NateGraham> it's tested and works
[20:55] <clivejo> no sorry
[20:55] <NateGraham> do you know who I should contact?
[20:55] <clivejo> acheronuk might know
 the reviewers you have look the most likley. beyond that it's just seeing who is down as maintainer in kde and who contributes commits regulary for that project
[20:58] <NateGraham> gotcha, thanks
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 So, I spent an entire afternoon and night trying to get my computer back up
 I accidentally deleted efi partition. Hardware malfunctions in legacy mode
 I'm an idiot
 Nope, didn't fix a thing. Still can't open the system settings without the entire system crashing... Sorry for the rants