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 @UnityEx ようこそ
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 @exar_kun, ありがとうございます
 ;)
 ^^
 English please
 日本語が！
 @ahayzen, Me too! Now maintaining a crate and writing a program.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/wwTern8D/5240327887483044157.mp4
 @garrogarri, I think we can allow a 'few' sentences back and forth so that people can navigate the UBports non-english community.  what if they don't know where else to go?  If it continues a long time, sure, but it wasnt'. Those are my thoughts.
 Yes, let's continue be friendly about these things.
 @wayneoutthere, Yes, of course. I was just kidding
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 @wayneoutthere, Ε τότε να αρχίσω κι εγώ να γραφω Ελληνικά; :p
 @jsalatas, I knew it! John is not a native Englishman ^^
 More like Johannis? ^^
 Or Jannis Xd
 @Flohack, Yeap! I'm not. It should be clear to you already :p
 @Flohack, I guess you know too much :p
 Just the normal European similarities ;)
 @Flohack, 👍
 @Christopher, Has it been written with the Japanese keyboard of Ubports?? 😀
 @Nico, Sadly, it isn't available for my Device yet
 @UnityEx, It was in the canonical images, maybe ubuntu-keyboard-japanese is not in the ubports image?
 I mean the whole OS. It's not out there for the OnePlus 3 yet
 Ah :-)
 @UnityEx, I got arigato, but past that I'm unsure
 The other part is supposed to be "gozaimashita"
[10:54] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/8q6RM7eW/icon_installing.gif.mp4
[10:55] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> It looks like it is enjoying the update 😂😂
 REMINDER: UBports Community Update | August 19, 2017 (20:00) … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T_C4B1vjk0
 While you're waiting for the Community Update, you can keep yourself entertain listening music from developers related to UBports project like Mister Q or Cibersheep 🤘 … https://www.youtube.com/user/misterqofficial/videos … https://www.youtube.com/user/cibersheep/videos
 Or my band: https://soundcloud.com/eternityfrog
 I didn't know that! Yeah keep rocking and fighting demons! 🤘😈🎸
 ^^
 For the summer chillout I recommend Square One
 I'm now listening Last Day
 but I'll get to square one
 ^^ everyone gets back to square one. some day
 BTW I play bass
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 @Flohack, hey, that's pretty good
 @neothethird, thx ❤️
[13:09] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> I am listening on YouTube. Last day 👍 @Flohack others I will listen later
[13:12] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> It's good 👍
 thx ;)
 (Sticker, 362x512) https://irc.ubports.com/xiSjG06k/1842540969984064.webp
 Just finished Balls
 last 2 levels were insane!
[14:08] <tgBot> Leandro Costa was added by: Leandro Costa
 Welcome Leandro !
 @Flohack are the alternative API branches for Telegram buildable/testable?
 Maybe we can help contributíng
 @nfsprodriver, They are buildable and possibly testable as long as you are already signed in.
 If your not signed in you won't get very far right now.... Proper broken!
 Okay, thanks!
 @nfsprodriver, Yes please follow the usual guidelines for building telegram on the telegram-app´s README.MD
 but then, cd into deps, and in both folders switch tthe branch: git checkout ubports-API29
 I will push a telegram-app version with that changes then its easier ^^ - also with added debug flags
 Basically if you load it onto a device which is signed in you cant lock out yourself
 Somewhere in the build scripts, right? Anyway, I'll find it ;9
 ;)
 @nfsprodriver, Its in bootstrap.sh where it tells which things to fetch from GH. that should be done with a git submodule ofc
 Yep
 I hope I can build after the Q&A then I can also make a test build for you
 Fwd from UniversalSuperBox: Is it time? … Yes. We are live. … http://youtu.be/3T_C4B1vjk0
 Marius got a newbrand headphones 👍
 :) nice
 A priority project should be to fix Marius Internet connection 😋
 ^^
 my network is dying!
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/mtTrnOSc/file_248.mp4
 😂
 Status of OTA-2?
 Sorry i can't join you guys live this time, i'm sitting at the amsterdam airport gate atm and just listening in for a minute before boarding
 I can comfirm that marius' headphones are really comfy
 @neothethird, +1
 @neothethird, Have a good trip
 thanks >:>)
 No documents about what to do after porting to Halium? Any plans writing it?
 i will also add that even though  restructrued text is a little entimidating at first, you get used to it pretty quickly and it's super amazingly powerful
 Q: Any thought on system notifications ?
 @LarreaMikel, I´ll take that :)
 @Flohack, ;)
 Halium rootfs: http://bshah.in/halium/halium-rootfs-20170630-180343.tar.gz
 @mariogrip can you demo the current status of 16.04 on any device that you are working?
 I believe they are talking about ubports halium rootfs @JBBgameich and not reference
 ;)
 @Alex_WLBI your question has been answered 👍
 They described it as the one for testing in the stream, so I thought they mean the reference one ...
 (Sticker, 499x512) https://irc.ubports.com/YnZez117/1221664169871278259.webp
 @bhushanshah, Nope, he was right
 A lot of phones for Halium !!!
 @JBBgameich, Maybe I'm mistaken though
 @Vijay, 16.04 hasn't really changed in the last 4 weeks, nothing super exiting to see
 Is it me or stream is super slow and lagging?
 maybe both
 it's lagging only a little for me
 ubports halium is here http://cdimage.ubports.com/rootfs/ubports-xenial-2107.tar.gz
 @neothethird, 😢😢😢😢
 I can watch it smoothely, but only in 480p currently ..
 @neothethird, with crappy airport wifi that is
 @neothethird, your plane is leving in 10 mins?
 leaving**
 it's delayed a little
 For me is fine other than Marius randomly freezing
 @mariogrip, Does this work with halium hybris-boot or needs Ubuntu boot.img?
 @mariogrip, boarding hasn't started yet
 @neothethird, klm in a nutsheel
 shell**
 don't get me started on KLM please
 @advocatux, :P
 @mariogrip, yeah, i landed at gate B33 and had to go to gate c18, then it was moved to B35 again
 so i have been walking a little :D
 @rogieroudshoorn, yeah, really nothing royal about it
 actually the dutch king works as a co-pilot there
[18:43] <tgBot> * bhushanshah notes mariogrip ignored him.. :-(
 but that does very little in terms of service or speed
 @bhushanshah, wut?
 he just weighs down the aircraft
 @bhushanshah, @mariogrip
 @bhushanshah, hybris-boot works here
 @neothethird, Well you're developing for mobile 😁
 both works tbh
 @rogieroudshoorn, you certainly don't notice it in the way they treat passengers
 @advocatux, lol
 @mariogrip, Okay
 Me gives up on watching Livestream
 @advocatux, i'm travelling with 3 phones and two tablets and none of them are charged... :D
 😭
 Thanks @Flohack ;)
 np welcome =)
[18:46] <Mister_Q> :D
[18:47] <Mister_Q> @mariogrip it was also very entertaining to see you trying to open the coconut xD
 the coconut was good, btw
 gotta go, boarding starts
 cu guys
 @neothethird, You need to add a power bank or two
 have a nice flight!!!
[18:47] <Mister_Q> have a safe flight @neothethird
 @neothethird, Happy journey!!
 Nice community update, thanks guys !
 @LarreaMikel, +1
 yeap ! thanks for all your work !
 "Where is my nexus f***?" - @Flohack, 2017
 "I didn't say that! It was Nexus 5, you just didn't hear me!" -@Flohack, 2017
 On the other hand me is sad because of no updates from @Catsofubuntu
 oh!
 Thank you everyone for the community update
 @bhushanshah, you're welcome
 🐾
[19:15] <Canaughtor> Can I perform a distro upgrade to xenial in Nexus 5?
 @Canaughtor, No definitely not. Its not like on the desktop
[19:17] <Canaughtor> I just installed it yesterday. I am new to this. What are first few interesting steps one can take apart from exploring the appearance store in the phone?
[19:18] <Canaughtor> app store*
 @Flohack, How is it done on mobile platforms?
 If even possible?
 @Canaughtor, Well basically I use this as daily driver, so for me it fulfils all needs I have for a phone - except some Apps are missing of course, and some websites do not provide webapps. The browser is more or less ok, calendar, clock, etc works, Telegram as a workaround for WhatsApp :) - Depends, what is your need? There are even some terrific games for it
 @UnityEx, Its done by pushing an update from the server. We release over-the-air updates (OTAs) for the rolling updates for core OS and Apps you need to update yourself currently via the Openstore app.
 Basically like in Android?
[19:20] <Canaughtor> I just like exploring in general. Do you know how to fix that network problem in file manager?
 When we are ready, we will provide system images for the next 16.04 core OS release. Probably it works in the same way, comes via OTA
 @UnityEx, yes
 @Canaughtor, You mean this? https://github.com/ubports/ubports-touch/issues/101
 btw I have to move this bug to another tracker hold on
 https://github.com/ubports/filemanager-app/issues/1
 its that one probably right?
[19:22] <Canaughtor> Yes. Issue 101
[19:23] <Canaughtor> It hangs when I go to network and nothing happens
[19:23] <Canaughtor> I cannot use smb
 No sorry to say, as long as the bug is in this state it is unlikely there is a solution.
 Might ping @sverzegnassi what he thinks about it
[19:24] <Canaughtor> Can't I get nautilus working on it?
[19:25] <Canaughtor> On Ubuntu Touch
[19:25] <Canaughtor> Instead of this File Manager
 @Canaughtor, This could work on a libertine container on one of the tablets. Im not a tablet owner at all. You must understand, all normal apps live in a container, and it is really hard for normal applications like Neutilus to deal with the permissions / security model on the phone. this is probably also the reason for the crash
 Dont expect this to be a normal desktop environment with normal applications.
 Its more close to Android than to a PC
[19:27] <Canaughtor>  OK. I will keep that in mind.
[19:27] <Canaughtor> Also, I can I join groups in Telegram
[19:27] <Canaughtor> *How can I
 @Flohack, Is it possible to port it to other devices on your own?
[19:27] <Canaughtor> For example the ubports group
 @Canaughtor, Sorry to say, still working on supergroup support. this week I got a bit closer, but I am still expecting it to be 1 or 2 months ahead. The original client never supported supergroups on Telegram
[19:29] <Canaughtor> I wish I could also help you guys. But unfortunate I am merely a user.
 @UnityEx, You can start, I tried with 2 devices and failed 2 times 😆 - You need not only to be fluent with Android ports but also to hack into the Ubuntu part a lot. So master of 2 worlds :) - But there is lot of infos in our Forum, and then of course in the Halium channel, which is the common device base hopefully for all free mobile OS in the future
 Ubuntu is Debian based
 Bottom line what I learned: Android world is a huge hack, and its a wonder that the devices work at all. Every vendor does his own crazy adaptions
 @UnityEx, I'm quite fluent with Debian and Android
 So I might give it a try
 @UnityEx, That´s what I am too. Its the Android world that kills me every time ;)
 You have to understand, in order to support the phone hardware, the original Android kernel must be used, with all its drivers, plus user space apps need to run in an LXC container side-by-side with Ubuntu. then the container is attached to the Ubuntu system via libhybris to convert all calls back and forth. Its like running a small Android below Ubuntu
 Its weird but the only way
 You can start reading here: https://forums.ubports.com/category/33/porting
 And this you will need: https://halium.org/
[19:35] <Canaughtor>    Does preload work on Ubuntu Touch?
 @Flohack, But this means I can run android and Debian applications on the device
 pre-what?
 @UnityEx, Not really since we only run the very very essential tasks that connect us with the hardware. There is no Dalvik and no other infrastructure.
 Its ripped-apart Android core lets say
 And ever thought of implementing ART in the future?
 whats taht
 Well, let's say it's the successor of Dalvik
 It is in fact
 Since android 5?
 No. We dont want to be Android. Whats the point of just being a servant to Android Apps then
 We got some interest in this project though: https://anbox.io/
 Anbox could be a way to achieve basic Android app support for the really really needed things. But dont expect that it is ready, thats more a proof of concept righ tnow
 This isn't my point. My point is to at least make it possible to run both android and Debian applications. It does not have to be in the project but it's still interesting to try it
 @Flohack, I agree with thay
 @Flohack, Haven't investigated on that yet, I will have a look soon
 @UnityEx, separately
 @UnityEx, As I said, Anbox could be a way to do this
 @UnityEx, A lot of android applications require specific google API's to be present. It is exactly those API's that the privacy aware of us do not want on our devices. So in the end, most wouldn't work
 Hmm. I see.
 Anbox could theoretically allow the entire android ecosystem to run inside its container
 And for Debian: We will try to follow convergence ideas. But normal applications coming from the desktop as deb packages: What to do on a phone with it? No touch support, no optimized resolutions etc. They just look  and feel ugly
 which would gain that you'd break privacy rules on a per-app basis
 which is still better then having it everywhere, but still
 I believe it's too early for that. UB should first get it's "foothold" in as many different devices possible
 We dont want a merge. We are a separate thing. You cant win a coconut by now doing smth that tries to be super android compatible as well as have its own ideas
 @Flohack, i'd rather have unav then maps inside of anbox
 sure
 @Flohack, Sure, it was just an idea for like an optional package for people who really need it
 Kind of like wine
 Anyhow, I'm sorry if I caused any inconvenience ^^"
 i enjoy having discussions like this, so no problem here.
 @UnityEx, No its normal that we are being asked about this. But we need to be clear and strong with the vision that the reason is not to make a new container for android. And as we have a hell other things to do, we are happy that Anbox appeared. But tbh I did not take a look for their state
 I also heard that there is the possibility of using android and UB in MultiBoot
 In fact I think people even did that with Ubuntu Touch
 @UnityEx, Dont get me started on this ;)
 It works but not for all hardware and you can easily wipe smth off your phone that might be needed
 I also just saw that the MultiROM is abandoned
 So what's the current status of halium anyway
 @Lyokanthrope, Did you watch Q&A today?
 No
 I've been busy all day
 Hmm there we spent some time talking about this, I recommend you watch the recording
 Bottom line: Some devices boot it, but currently we have no 16.04 root fs that is really usable. Like no Apps can be started etc
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T_C4B1vjk0
 I was more curious about the halium base itself rather than Ubuntu
 Yeah ok. For this I recommend you to follow on their Github and their supergroup
 @Lyokanthrope, https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues e.g.
 If you look on NExus 5, its really missing some important parts: https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/8
 Fair enough. I'll investigate it more later.
 was talking to bneo99 about stuff last night, we've both been somewhat out of the loop due to school/work/etc
 @Lyokanthrope, Halium is a great thing, but please dont pinpoint them on a roadmap. I hear roadmap here so many times, but this is not a commercial project, plus we are against all odds, since nothing what we do is documented.
 Oh, I'm not :) I was just wondering what the current state was
 Oki. The battery bug for example on N5. Turns out its a weird byte split on the D-Bus that confused the indicator. It was only 1 small byte that was wrong, and it was pending for I think months.
 @Flohack, Btw... Those failing tests are actually test themself being broken
 xD
 @bhushanshah, 😆
 @Flohack, https://github.com/libhybris/libhybris/issues/350
 @Flohack, upstream decision
 dontblamepopey.com
 Safely landed at MUC and now looking forward to a long night in various trains
 wow
 there are still trains 😆
 @popeydc, I dont like that decision =)
 meh
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 Welcome :)
 @Flohack, I like going by train, use it a lot
 the munich airport is just stupidly located though
 one hour to get to the main station
 @neothethird, nice, as we said, Munich airport is closer to Berlin 😆
 They can use it then as a substitute
 UBports team bod meeting in Nergen, Norway
 (Photo, 1280x852) https://irc.ubports.com/WaTpVgO4/file_249.jpg
 Nice
 Too few bald heads 😆
 @Flohack, I need the protecton so my brain do not freze in the norwegian winter hahah :P
 I actually went to a 1 week vacation to Norway 1 month ago 😁
 One year ago for me. Fister near Stavanger. It's just great!
 And we got some Telegram progress:
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/awWKx3yh/image_2017-08-20_00-41-52.png
 @UnityEx, Nice!
 @nfsprodriver, :D Im in bergen, so if you come here, hit me up so want meet up for a coffee or something
 Sorry, that's too far for me 😢
 @nfsprodriver, well if you do :)