[03:33] <Unit193> Debian #872687
[05:42] <Unit193> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786029
[06:16] <Unit193> !info libgtk-3-dev artful
[08:10] <flocculant> Unit193: doesn't appear to be all sliders here
[08:12] <flocculant> and I guess we'll need to point -desktop at that
[08:13] <ochosi> oh dear, so it does seem to be a gtk3 problem then if its not just arch
[08:13] <ochosi> i agree with flocculant, we should inform the desktop folks
[08:13] <flocculant> ochosi: yea - definitely not just arch :)
[08:14] <ochosi> although i'm not sure they'll care much, even if it affects their indicators, since they dont use them anymore...
[08:14] <flocculant> probably ping jbicha in there with the bug #
[08:14] <ochosi> sounds like a sane idea
[08:15] <flocculant> ochosi: but - I've tried other sliders (panel for instance) and they appear to be ok
[08:15] <flocculant> *shrug*
[08:15] <ochosi> you mean xfpm is ok, only pa is nok?
[08:19] <flocculant> yup that works ok - though you can't click somewhere along the slider
[08:27] <ochosi> then it doesnt work
[08:27] <ochosi> at least not fully
[08:28] <ochosi> what about indicators, do those fully work?
[08:31] <flocculant> ochosi: only got message indicator
[08:37] <flocculant> ochosi: click on slider in volume indicator and it shuts it 
[08:40] <ochosi> mhm, then its not just us
[08:40] <ochosi> (altj
[08:41] <ochosi> (although the indicator widget and the ones in xfpm and pa are pretty much identical)
[08:42] <flocculant> ochosi: grabbing the ubuntu iso now - I'll double check that - if it boots
[08:43] <flocculant> slider there works
[08:44] <Unit193> flocculant: Confirm the GTK3 version?  Xfpm is GTK2, so that's why that works.
[08:44] <Unit193> Also, yes it isn't just arch, first heard it from Debian.
[08:44] <flocculant> ochosi: in fact for our vol slider it doesn't just shut down - it mutes it
[08:44] <flocculant> Unit193: aah ok
[09:20] <Unit193> flocculant: Did you fix it?
[09:20] <flocculant> no - did you think I would?
[09:21] <flocculant> I don't actually use the slider ... I have this big round knob on the amp I use :)
[09:24] <Unit193> Re-compiling GTK3 sounds right up your ally!
[09:24] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[09:29] <Unit193> ....Wanna try?
[09:30] <Unit193> This is extra, not Xubuntu dev asking.  You don't have to.
[09:30] <flocculant> I could - though not right now - off out in a short while
[09:55] <Unit193> Well it's taking a while to build, but https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-staging/+packages
[13:24] <flocculant> Unit193: yea that works 
[16:35] <Unit193> Fantastic, thanks for checking flocculant!
[16:36] <Unit193> Just, uh..Don't read the changelog.
[16:39] <flocculant> too late :P
[16:42] <Unit193> Oh dear...In my defence, I couldn't sleep, was tired, and knew what time I had to get up. :3
[16:51] <flocculant> well ... personally don't think the changelog is that bad at all - especially when nano's changelog has the latest release named Interior Sewage :D
[16:51] <Unit193> debian/patches/dothestuff.patch ++
[16:51] <flocculant> :D
[16:54] <flocculant> anyway - re discussion earlier - just point -desktop at the gnome bug and say it breaks us and we've got ppa fix ?
[16:54] <flocculant> cos when it comes down to it - I suspect it'll be me doing the pinging ...
[16:55] <flocculant> sometimes they ask questions and I just lalalalalalalala 
[16:58] <Unit193> I thought ochosi might poke -desktop, and the PPA was to test https://bug786029.bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=357334 since the author said it was untested.
[16:58] <Unit193> I think I'd refrain from poking jbicha directly though.
[16:59] <flocculant> works for me
[17:00] <Unit193> ochosi has some background in -desktop, and might have more idea of the Xfce or GTK+3 side of things.
[17:00] <flocculant> yea for sure
[17:50] <ochosi> flocculant, Unit193: thanks for packaging and testing! i started by commenting on the upstream bug
[17:50] <ochosi> what we really need in the end is upstream to merge it
[17:50] <ochosi> i'll go poking mlcasen and carlosg directly if needed
[17:51] <Unit193> Yes, though Ubuntu is a start.  Doesn't help Debian.
[17:52] <ochosi> only carrying the patch in ubuntu is a sort of last-resort if we don't get it merged/released upstream early enough for 17.10
[17:53] <Unit193> I was thinking of it as a first step, move it on upstream (and indeed, if Ubuntu throws it in, might have more weight behind the request.)  But yes that works too. :P
[17:54] <Unit193> Specifically if it's not just a random person that's never talked to the GTK+3 devs before.
[17:55] <ochosi> yeah, but i've talked to both of them before
[17:55] <ochosi> and not sure whether ubuntu really adds the right kind of weight here ;)
[17:55] <Unit193> Exactly, that's my point.
[17:55] <Unit193> Either way, thanks for doing it.
[17:56] <ochosi> no worries really. the good thing is the patch is so minimal i don't think they won't merge it
[17:57] <Unit193> The last comment wasn't re-assuring, but the fact the patch was written by the same author as the breaking commit was.
[19:01] <Unit193> He linked the PPA, maybe I should have tried harder. :3
[19:07] <flocculant> ochosi: thanks
[19:08] <Unit193> ↑
[21:30] <Unit193> ninetls: If you want to know context. :P
[21:31] <ninetls> yes, I know about regression with sliders
[21:32] <ninetls> (tfw you are considered as a person who will build any shit for you just because you're using arch)
[21:32] <ninetls> *for anybody
[21:32] <Unit193> Not really, just wondered if you had.  It's right up your ally to do so.  As stated, I already did.
[21:33] <ninetls> I'm just kidding, don't worry!
[21:33] <ninetls> I can test if you want
[21:37] <Unit193> All up to if you want the fix.
[21:37] <Unit193> From the Arch bug also saw the Xfce one: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13770
[21:38] <Unit193> So, a GTK, Debian, Arch, and Xfce bug.  Nice fallout!
[21:39] <ninetls> yes
[21:39] <ninetls> the funnies thing is that they updated gtk
[21:39] <ninetls> they closed related bug report as "fixed" in arch
[21:40] <ninetls> bug actually the bug still present
[21:48] <ninetls> Unit193: yes, works with this patch
[21:57] <ochosi> i guess i'll have a long and winding road ahead of me arguing to get the patch into gtk+, judging from ebassi's comment...
[21:58] <Unit193> Figured, based on the one guy.  But uncool for them to break this and not fix it in a "stable" release.
[22:00] <ochosi> that'll sort of be my argument..
[22:10] <ninetls> "works in gnome shell. RESOLVED WONTFIX"
[22:10] <Unit193> That's pretty much how I read it.
[22:22] <ochosi> nah, don't be so pessimistic
[22:22] <ochosi> the report is not closed