[02:22] RAOF: Have you tried doing colour calibration in 17.10 using the tooling from archive? I'm wondering if it's become more flakey in recent releases [02:22] duflu: I have, and it doesn't work. [02:22] But I'm not sure whether it's the software or my somewhat old and dusty colorhug. [02:23] RAOF: Oh good. Confirmation at least. Yeah a brand new one has trouble too. What works is changing the machine to support Legacy OS boot and then using the live USB [02:23] Oh, ok. [02:24] I also wonder if there's a kernel or power management issue [02:24] Haven't tried explicitly disabling that [02:24] * RAOF should probably update colord [02:24] robert_ancell: hi. I was trying to reactivate my GNOME git account, and they asked me for a maintainer to vouch for me. Would you count for that? [02:25] jamesh, sure [02:27] RAOF: Obviously it would be nice if the workaround didn't require changing your BIOS and booting an old Fedora core :) [02:28] thanks [02:30] -and +or [02:42] So, I'm getting a corrupt download for ubuntu-make on `umake android android-studio' with a fresh and up-to-date 17.04 install. === Guest75672 is now known as fredp === fredp is now known as Guest79611 [05:57] morning === cpaelzer_ is now known as cpaelzer [06:10] good morning desktoppers! === Guest20465 is now known as thumper === thumper is now known as Guest1454 [06:38] good morning! [06:39] Morning didrocks [06:40] good morning didrocks, good afternoon duflu [06:40] good morning desktopers [06:40] lut didrocks, oSoMoN [06:40] hey again on another channel duflu :-) [06:40] salut seb128 [06:42] hey didrocks, is gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock supposed to be always visible? [06:42] * duflu would vote for auto-hide but doesn't really mind [06:42] oSoMoN, you can enable auto-hide in the display settings [06:43] jibel, but by default it’s supposed to be always visible, right? [06:43] Settings > Displays [06:43] cause I’m not seeing anything actually, not even when pushing the mouse cursor to the left edge [06:43] It does interfere a bit with Gnome's nice maximized mode [06:44] I uninstalled dash-to-dock on Friday when gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock got auto-installed, and since then I’m launcherless [06:44] oSoMoN, i don't know if the default setting has been decided. [06:44] oSoMoN, yes it should also return if you push the cursor to the left edge [06:44] then something is broken with my setup [06:46] also I recently switch to wayland, and it appears Ctrl+Alt+L doesn't lock the session, annoying [06:46] oSoMoN, Super+L ? [06:46] ah that does it indeed [06:47] Welcome to Windows [06:47] :/ [06:47] Sounds like a bug though. I would have thought Ctrl+Alt+L should stay [06:49] hey duflu, oSoMoN, seb128 ;) [06:49] oSoMoN: by default, yes [06:50] oSoMoN: you can read my blog posts :p [06:50] duflu, yes, if nothing else is mapped to Ctrl+Alt+L, it should retain the old behaviour [06:50] (sorry, still under enorme amount of comments and fallback handlings) [06:50] didrocks, right, in was on my reading list for the week-end, but I managed to stay away from the computer during the whole week-end! [06:50] :) [06:51] oSoMoN: ensure you have latest Shell as well [06:51] it's what enables it [06:51] and that you current session is, ofc, "ubuntu" [06:51] duflu: the idea is to support both Super+L and Ctrl+Alt+l [06:52] Cool [06:52] but contrary to Unity where the settings was an array, in GNOME, it's a string [06:52] so, we'll need to patch this [06:52] Now how about bug 1693609 :) [06:52] which will be in the "bug bucket list" [06:52] bug 1693609 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "Please make window control buttons larger" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1693609 [06:52] DESKTOP_SESSION=ubuntu-wayland [06:52] duflu: volonteering? :) [06:52] oSoMoN: should work as well [06:53] didrocks, it's on my own bug bucket list of sorts. No idea when I would get to it [07:18] didrocks, do osk interacts with IMs? [07:19] * seb128 doesn't knows much about the topic but I though the osk would only send keycodes the same way a real keyboard does so wouldn't have any ibus/fcitx integration [07:19] seb128: I think for keyboard layout, there are some interactions [07:19] I just read you email on -desktop@ and the comment is interesting [07:19] seb128: I might be wrong though [07:19] k, let's see if people who have more clue comment :-) [07:19] yeah ;) [07:19] just wanted to raise it [07:20] btw is onboard displaying in azerty for you? [07:20] I've a french install with azerty keyboard but the osk is qwerty [07:20] caribou seems quite buggy and limited :-/ [07:20] how do you enable it back btw? [07:21] settings -> accessiblity [07:21] yeah, it's an azerty keyboard [07:21] k, I guess to debug here then [07:21] time for YOUR locale issue this time :p [07:21] it's an old upgraded install from 12.04 [07:21] haha [07:21] not a new one, note this [07:22] shrug [07:22] we really have very very positive overall comments [07:22] in my blog posts [07:22] the osk goes over my hexchat windows [07:22] (and a 100 of them) [07:22] and mask the entry where I'm typing [07:22] yeah, same with weechat [07:22] doesn't change the struts [07:22] (was that the X terminology? Didn't use it for years, not even sure) [07:23] unsure but I know what you mean [07:24] _NET_WM_STRUT [07:24] good to see that the feedback is positive btw :-) [07:24] not a bad memory, after all :) [07:24] hehe [07:25] and we know how to make things ever better [07:25] but that's more work than we can chew in one cycle [07:25] not even talking about things caribou not being a good osk or ibus vs fcitx there though [07:27] yeah [07:30] maybe we should create yet another input method framework and declare it a standard. That will get rid of all the ibus vs. fcitx problems [07:33] * didrocks sees that jamesh tries to do, but I'll be strong and refrain posting the xkcd link :p [07:34] oSoMoN: as you are in the wayland session, you confirm you have icons on the desktop, correct? [07:34] seb128: maybe a second users as well? ^ [07:39] That seems to be useful with caribou: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/993/slide-for-keyboard/: [07:39] didrocks, works here but I had icons on the desktop before so my config is not vanilla, going to try on my other config a bit later [07:40] seb128: thx! [07:40] yw [07:41] * didrocks needs to do some dock rebase to work with G-S 3.26 [07:43] didrocks, yes, I have icons on my desktop, including the recyclebin icon, but no dock/launcher at all [07:43] https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1024/caribou-resize-workspace/ that's the other extension gnome people seem to use with caribou. Perhaps that makes it usable. [07:43] I read your blog post but that didn't bring the dock back [07:44] oSoMoN: do you have latest GNOME Shell? [07:44] the one uploaded on Friday? [07:44] $ apt policy gnome-shell [07:44] gnome-shell: [07:44] Installé : 3.24.3-0ubuntu4 [07:44] hum, and rebooted since then, correct? [07:44] yes [07:45] dconf dump /org/gnome/shell/ [07:45] interestingly, now I have a warning sign icon next to the ubuntu dock extension in gnome-tweak-tool, it’s disabled and I can't switch it on [07:45] yeah, tweaks doesn't report the status correctly for system-wide enabled extensions [07:46] didrocks, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25361180/ [07:46] ok, nothing worrying [07:46] why do I have dash-to-dock enabled, if it's uninstalled? [07:46] echo $GNOME_SHELL_SESSION_MODE [07:46] oh, didn't spot the first one [07:46] that's why [07:47] and why do you have ubuntu-dock enabled as well? [07:47] well I'd like to know why… [07:47] you shouldn't, did you try adding it manually? [07:47] no [07:47] hum, maybe tweaks is really doing bad things [07:47] when you open it… [07:47] I only uninstalled dash-to-dock after I saw ubuntu-dock being installed automatically [07:47] reset the key [07:47] close tweaks [07:48] like, ubuntu-dock should even not be in your list [07:48] as it's a system-wide enabled extension by a mode [07:49] ah, fixed by resetting the key [07:50] thanks for the help didrocks [07:50] oSoMoN: if you play with Tweaks and see anything wrong, please report it [07:50] I don't know how I managed to get into that state, but I messed up badly [07:50] I really wonder if tweaks doesn't do anything weird, first the status report should say enabled/disabled [07:50] (but still putting it in gray) [07:50] the chromium extensions does it properly [07:51] well, you can disable it there, which is a no-op [07:51] so "almost" well :) [07:51] (maybe the shell doesn't give all infos…) [07:53] new version of the dock for 3.26 support, it's nice to see 2 dash to upstream + Jeremy reached out to me to warn to pick it :) [07:53] * didrocks git rebases anyway as I was planningto [07:54] seb128: did you see my comments on the dock second upload vs dashtodock binary package [07:55] seb128: any opinion on what we should do? I would split the schema in a separate file and have dashtodock deps on it, but it means no sync from debian on that one [07:59] I saw that, give me some time to consider it [08:02] moin [08:02] I [08:02] H [08:03] hey Laney [08:05] good morning [08:06] bah, gdm branch isn't updated [08:07] hey andyrock [08:07] hey Laney [08:09] hey didrocks hey andyrock hey oSoMoN [08:09] how's it going? good weekends? [08:11] Laney: excellent week-end! Spent part of a day to prepare a card game (cutting cards and figuring) before playing it :) [08:11] rest was uneventful, finishing again GTA 5 and such… :p [08:11] yourself? [08:11] cutting? [08:11] like some online thing? [08:12] yeah was good, family visit - walks, going to a restaurant, hanging out & stuff [08:12] no, cutting, like taking paper, scissors… [08:12] right [08:12] but where did the thing you cut out come from? [08:12] or you made it up? [08:14] we have some home made dungeon exploring game here which is fun to play [08:14] xyzzy [08:14] the game is named "bloc by bloc", which is sold out, and they provide all the pdf and generated assets on github: https://outofordergames.com/blocbybloc/ [08:14] (under CC:BY-NC-SA) [08:15] oh, and ofc, we have lost against the game :) [08:16] as you should [08:16] have you played ghost stories? [08:16] we've tried that like 10 times and never won [08:16] never :) [08:16] we did chain with pandemia in hardcore difficulties mode [08:16] as usual, everything is going very well [08:17] and in one turn, you lose :) [08:17] it's really from "all is fine, to OMG" [08:19] jibel: hey! btw, today's iso have the glib/settings change [08:19] would be great to check the ubiquity session, how it looks like :) [08:20] didrocks, okay, i'll have a look [08:21] thx! [08:22] hey Laney andyrock [08:23] hey seb128 [08:23] you doing good? [08:24] yes! you? [08:25] not too bad [08:25] new week, new fun [08:27] indeed [08:27] this week include ff fun [08:27] fff [08:28] f³ [08:30] * didrocks reboots to test transition update [08:35] ok, wayland transition works well [08:35] let's push it :) [08:36] or… let's write the blog post before maybe [08:37] Hah. Can't report bugs because ubuntu-bug crashes (!?) [08:40] didrocks, latest iso boots and looks all right at first glance. Although there is a visual annoyance, the desktop icons are half behind the dock [08:41] no objections to dropping gjs/s390x ? [08:42] and there is an issue with network-manager and connectivity detection [08:42] it thinks I'm offline [08:42] jibel: yeah, it's a bug I reported [08:43] jibel: even ubiquity install mode is fine? [08:43] (the icons behind the dock) [08:43] hum, gnome-boxes crashes here [08:43] jbicha: hey, mind pushing your gdm changes to the bzr branch? [08:45] didrocks: try now [08:47] late nite jbicha [08:47] jbicha: thx! [08:49] Laney: early morning :| [08:49] * Laney cries === kzapalowicz is now known as koza [08:50] jibel, see bug 1696621 [08:50] bug 1696621 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Desktop icons slip under the top bar and dock after logging in" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1696621 [08:55] didrocks, the font is still not the ubuntu font. [08:55] jibel: the theme is applied though? [08:56] didrocks, yes. we need a new ubiquity for the font? [08:56] no, it should be theme + font or nothing [08:56] so, just log the bug, will look after FF [08:57] jibel: when you say the font [08:57] is it the top panel [08:57] ubiquity window itself [08:57] or both? [08:57] didrocks, the ubiquity window. It's fixed in 17.10.3 but blocked in proposed [08:58] oh right, this one [08:58] hum, gnome-boxes fails [08:58] telling the schema isn't here even if it is… [09:00] https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#ubiquity missing build on all archs: oem-config ... [09:00] * Laney was just fixing ubiquity [09:00] thanks [09:01] didrocks, is name resolution working with latest iso? [09:02] jibel: what do you mean? [09:04] didrocks, hostname resolution doesn't work for me with artful desktop 20170821 [09:04] jibel: I can't test latest iso due to gnome boxes crashing, so don't know [09:26] didrocks, jibel, the font/xsettings plugin not applied is waiting for an ubiquity upload, the fix got commited but something in new perl created issue and infinity/cyphermox said they needed to fix it [09:26] *g*ot applied [09:26] sorry misphrased, but the fix is commited we just didn't get an ubiquity build in artful since [09:28] Laney, do you fix the obvious build issue or the perl problem? [09:29] seb128: just trying to help, I'm running the autopkgtests before upload, but I don't have to do it if that's a problem for you [09:31] Laney, what did I say? [09:31] Laney, I was trying to be helpful [09:31] my upload fails to build because one line needs wrapping [09:31] which is easy to fix [09:31] but there was some other perlish problem on top [09:31] I was just unsure if you were aware of those [09:31] sorry for being too verbose [09:32] * seb128 shuts up and let you figure it out [09:32] hmm [09:32] sorry I didn't mean to say there was an problem, I'm not working on it, was just relaying the info I have [09:32] * Beret wakes up to see his desktop has grown a dock [09:33] * Beret looks for the off button [09:33] Laney, https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/08/04/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t15:23 was what I was mentioning [09:33] anyway [09:34] (console-setup got updated but failed to build as well) [09:36] seb128: ok, I thought that I was dupping your work so I was going to back off [09:36] no big problem [09:36] not with me at least [09:36] but maybe with cyphermox though that discussion was a while ago and things didn't change much so I guess they probably welcome the help ;-) [09:41] are we going to let people set the size of the dock? [09:44] Beret, read https://didrocks.fr/2017/08/18/ubuntu-gnome-shell-in-artful-day-5/ ;-) [09:45] Beret, https://didrocks.fr/images/artful-shell-transition/gnome-control-center-ubuntu-dock-settings.png [09:50] thanks [09:50] it will take me a while to retrain my unity brain [09:58] seb128, what you guys have accomplished is quite impressive, I must say [10:06] Beret, thanks, send the kudos to didrocks who has been leading that work and writing all the details in awesome blog posts [10:25] cyphermox: seb128: thx for the hint, I fixed console-setup now :-) [10:41] Laney, \o/ [10:42] means i can fix s390x active console bits, and drop upstart jobs. [10:43] nice [10:44] Laney, thanks! [10:48] seb128, have you seen my e-mail about new LO deps that are in universe but once were in main? [10:49] oSoMoN, yes, I need to reply to that, but it's fine to re-promote things [10:49] no need of a new MIR [10:49] Laney, failed to build :-( [10:50] oSoMoN, hmmm that was intentional. [10:51] oSoMoN, due to archive reorg one can build-depend on universe, as long as that doesn't generate depends; or the packages that have new depends end up in universe. [10:51] what packages specifically are you asking about? [10:53] there is that as well [10:59] xnox, yeah, I guessed the demotions were just maintenance cleanups, not due to actual package QA/security (although of course that needs to be confirmed) [10:59] xnox, the source packages are lp-solve, suitesparse and liborcus [11:00] oSoMoN, no, as in. we implemented archive reorg in foundations to explicitely drop a whole bunch of things out of main. especially since libreoffice did pull in things that only were used by it optionally. [11:01] oSoMoN, yeah i don't think we want any of these back in main. what do you need these for? [11:02] you can build-depend on them, as long as binary packages generated with depends on e.g. liborcus-0.12-0 are split shipped into universe. [11:02] i see no reverse depends on liborcus at all in ubuntu [11:03] xnox, not in 5.3, but it's a depends of libreoffice-calc in 5.4 [11:03] ah [11:03] sigh [11:04] then we are cornered and have to re-promote those back in. But the proper way is to first upload libreoffice 5.4 that does that. [11:04] * xnox checks that [11:04] oSoMoN, yeah, upload first such that new depends are gained (universe is enabled by default, thus the package will build) and then AAs can re-promote, hopefully based on the old MIR [11:07] xnox, ack, thanks [11:15] re [11:15] oSoMoN, sorry, I changed location and didn't see if you had more comments [11:17] seb128, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25361988/ [11:20] oSoMoN, thanks [11:20] seb128: WHAT [11:21] Laney, sorry :-( [11:21] it worked for me, how can this be [11:21] also what's up with this wifi [11:21] oSoMoN, that discussion is accurate, anyway I'm having another look to libreoffice today [11:22] Status: successful [11:22] Version: 1.142ubuntu7 [11:23] seb128, thanks [11:24] np, thanks for doing the update! [11:55] Laney, racy / parallel build inside debian/rules did not create the desired target dir?! [11:56] does look like a race [11:56] * Laney retried [12:13] win ;-) [12:18] hahaha. Fix the race, not retry =) [12:18] Laney, i guess you want _me_ to fix the race with my upload *har* *har* [12:19] sure [12:19] it wouldu be nice if you could wait for it to migrate [12:20] ack [12:31] xnox: I would bet that race is fixed in master btw - there are some commits that could be related [12:31] do you know why we're behind? hard merge? [12:31] Laney, cyphermox was working on a merge of console-setup to fix all the things [12:31] nod [12:31] Laney, and yes, very hard merge. [12:33] may the buildds smile upon you [12:45] Hello, I recently stumbled upon this email thread regarding gnome music and photos and tracker (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2017-August/005095.html) [12:45] Gnome-Shell's search by default relies on tracker as its primary backend to surface files [12:46] and from my own usage, the search is fast but noticeably less reliable than Unity's file search lens (which uses locate) [12:47] some files will be indexed but cannot be found through tracker's search interface (e.g https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=776395) [12:47] Gnome bug 776395 in Search Tool "Indexed files missing from search results" [Critical,New] [12:48] I replied to seb's recent nautilus/tracker question a bit earlier on LP: #1711241 [12:48] Launchpad bug 1711241 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Unity support patch doesn't build with nautilus 3.25.90" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1711241 [12:50] xnox: hi, UOA is already unsupported in Unity/artful LP: #1695928 [12:50] Launchpad bug 1695928 in gnome-control-center-signon (Ubuntu) "Please remove obsolete UOA packages" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1695928 [12:50] thanks. in that case, however, should nautilus's gnome-shell search provider be patched to search recursively? [12:50] presently it will only look for files in the top level home directory [12:51] (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=766174) [12:51] Gnome bug 766174 in general "Recursive search not working in gnome 3.20.1" [Major,Resolved: fixed] [12:51] I'm referring to the "Simple search engine" which just crawls the filesystem [12:51] casey: nautilus searches recursively by default for local files [12:52] see Files>Preferences>Search & Preview>Search in subfolders [12:52] jbicha: yes, if you search from a nautilus window. but from recent testing it seems that searches from the gnome-shell overview are not configured to be recursive [12:52] see for example how Carlos's temporary patch had to explicitly set recursivity for gnome-shell searches [12:53] i recently tested this in gdb [12:53] at least for the nautilus that ships with Ubuntu 17.04 (maybe things have changed since then?) [13:01] jbicha:anyway, should I open a bug on Launchpad about this? [13:12] jbicha, yes, i stand correct. === gargeh is now known as Gargoyle [13:19] xnox: all yours === gargeh is now known as Gargoyle [13:34] jbicha: ubuntu dock extension compatile with 2.26 uploaded [13:38] thanks [13:43] I've done step 1 of the gjs transition https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2017-August/005123.html [13:43] thanks to you! :) [13:43] I'll need AA help for the rest of the steps [13:43] are they built already? [13:43] just poke me to get a review [13:43] yes [13:44] after z, will we have aa? :) [13:46] jbicha: nothing blocking, but as we know we'll never align, maybe override in the future W: libgjs0g: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libgjs0 [13:47] good, replaces for the typelib and libs are there, acking [13:48] jbicha: NEWed in main [13:51] jbicha: mozjs52 promoted [13:52] |o| [13:52] jbicha: on gjs/s390x I'm not going to take a decision [13:52] didrocks, gjs & desktop are out of scope for the s390x port [13:53] xnox: so DELETE DELETE DELETE? :-) [13:54] [13:54] we skip the tests on s390x so there's a good chance s390x was already broken for gnome-shell [13:54] didrocks, YOLO [13:54] there's several rdepends, do you need me to try to come up with a list? [13:56] jbicha: yes please :) [13:56] like, log that to a bug report [13:56] I'll quote xnox and DONE :) [13:56] ok [13:58] LP suggested LP: #696812 which I guess would be a lot less trouble ;) [13:58] Launchpad bug 696812 in gjs (Ubuntu) "Please remove and blacklist gjs from the archive" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/696812 [14:02] jbicha: let's close it… Oh wait :) [14:08] LP: #1712083 [14:08] Launchpad bug 1712083 in gjs (Ubuntu) "Please remove gjs/s390x" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1712083 [14:09] jbicha: I read well that you listed all binary packages? [14:09] I did not check all the gnome-shell extensions (many are arch:all) [14:09] (apart from gjs, which seems to be only the source package that you listed only gjs) [14:12] I added a few more [14:15] * didrocks flushes [14:23] Laney, jamesh, jbicha, do you know if anyone is working on backporting the patch for gnome bug #785117 to artful? [14:23] Gnome bug 785117 in API "Add support for disabling connectivity checking via the D-Bus interface" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=785117 [14:25] Nobody that I know about [14:26] last I looked the UI changes were not yet reviewed [14:26] but this could happen first of course [14:26] seb128: I started on it but it will probably take me a few more days [14:27] jbicha, is that because it's complex? [14:27] can you maybe see if jamesh can help you to get it done tomorrow? [14:27] jamesh, ^ [14:28] Laney, right, we need the API first so we can as well land that and move closer from the solution [14:28] it's getting tight with ff [14:30] the upstream review of the control-center patch should be chased up [14:32] jbicha did that [14:32] my initial attempt at backporting wasn't good enough for the g-control-center patches to build [14:32] I think it would make sense for jamesh to help you with that [14:32] jamesh, ^ if you have time during your day that would be nice [14:33] honestly, I doubt the g-c-c maintainers are that interested in looking at the patches before Thursday since it seems too late for 3.26 and the 3.25.91 milestone is this week [14:34] right [14:34] backporting unofficial apis would have not been nice [14:34] but the g-c-c change as a distro patch shouldn't be too much of an issue [14:35] k, fine, do what you want [14:35] * Laney really goes to lunch [14:36] Laney, sorry I didn't mean to discard your comment, agree that getting upstream review would be best but if that doesn't happen what you would prefer? not include the feature or distro patch it? [14:36] Laney, enjoy lunch! [14:36] I think you could ask for some comment [14:36] "no we will never have a switch in the control centre" would be an interesting piece of feedback [14:37] right [14:37] let's try a bit more [14:37] but as said jbicha commented a few days ago saying we want to include it and would welcome comments [14:37] but I don't suggest dropping the feature if it's not merged by Thursday [14:37] g-c-c maintainers seems too busy/on holidays/mia at the moment [14:38] I opened a bunch of bugs since GUADEC and got no resppnses [14:38]