[12:57] <jrwren> anyone ever play with docker swarm?
[13:08] <rick_h> morning
[13:08] <rick_h> jrwren: not meaningfully tbh
[13:10] <jrwren> rick_h: it looks WAY easier to setup and run for a basement type setup than k8s
[13:10] <jrwren> rick_h: sometime this week I'll setup a few nodes and let you know :)
[13:10] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, it's based in basically
[13:11] <rick_h> jrwren: I know at one point the goal had been to have a swarm-like solution like k8s to support as an option, but it wasn't feature comparible and there wasn't the user ask for it vs k8s
[13:12] <jrwren> rick_h: do you mean canonical in that answer?
[13:12] <rick_h> jrwren: yea
[13:12] <jrwren> *nod* makes sense.
[13:12] <jrwren> I think canonical chose wisely. k8s is blowing up. its the new open stack.
[13:13] <jrwren> openstack large growth is over AFAICT. It might continue to grow at a very small amount, but not like it was.
[13:23] <cmaloney> morning
[13:24] <cmaloney> yeah, seemes.k8s is the new "can't swing a dead cat withiut hitting" tech
[13:25] <jrwren> yup, and for good reason. it is damned awesome.
[13:33] <rick_h> cccccceefhftvjrkhfukicfnknfhifflfgvkhtnhcngk
[13:33] <rick_h> doh
[13:33] <cmaloney> gezundheit
[13:33] <rick_h> ty :P
[13:35] <cmaloney> I'm remembering why people hate Ansible: YAML and indentation sucks worse than Python
[13:41] <jrwren> yaml is very nice. indentation in it and python is great.
[13:41] <jrwren> yaml sucks for other reasons :p
[13:43] <cmaloney> Yeah, it's great, but it's also frustrating when you think you have the indentation right and haven't done YAML in a while.
[13:43] <cmaloney> jrwren: What don't you like about YAML?
[13:44] <cmaloney> (other than the syntax errors are a pain to disgnose for indentation issues. ;) )
[13:44] <jrwren> cmaloney: multiline strings, and implicit dictionary for any value that has a colon.
[13:45] <jrwren> key: https://www.google.com   // in yaml this is not a key with a string value
[13:45] <jrwren> it is a key with a dict value wiht a key of https and value //www.google.com
[13:45] <jrwren> for something with goal of human readability, this is a failure.
[13:45] <cmaloney> That's what quotes are for. :)
[13:47] <cmaloney> you just reminded me of the parsing in PyYAML, where things got nested pretty deep in lists.
[13:52] <jrwren> yes, that is what quotes are for, but it fails the goal of human readable and writable format.
[13:52] <jrwren> the thing to remember about yaml is that it is just JSON in a different layout, one you get that the dict and list nesting makes complete sense.
[13:55] <cmaloney> Yeah
[13:55] <cmaloney> I still like it. Compared with XML it's a joy to use
[13:57] <jrwren> oh, well, if that is your comparison, then yes. its great.
[14:09] <cmaloney> I'm a simple man
[14:16] <cmaloney> http://elm-lang.org/papers/ <- nice 4040 page
[19:22] <jrwren> I think I'm going to buy my wife a Nikon D3400 for her birthday. I think I'll get the +$100 version with the 70-300mm lens in addition to the 18-55mm
[19:22] <jrwren> what does rick_h think?
[19:23] <jrwren> or any other camera enthusiasts.
[19:24] <rick_h> jrwren: hmm, not sure. I've not compared the entry dslr in a while. I'm a bit of a mirrorless fanbio I guess
[19:24] <rick_h> jrwren: no wifi :(
[19:26] <jrwren> nope, but bluetooth, which to iphone is probably perfect fo rher.
[19:28] <rick_h> jrwren: does it have an app to send photos over?
[19:28] <rick_h> jrwren: what's she looking to do? start getting into photography, better pics of the daughter?
[19:28] <jrwren> getting started.
[19:28] <jrwren> outgrow iphonography
[19:29] <jrwren> the BT thing is this: http://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/snapbridge-app.page
[19:29] <jrwren> and she does like pulling it into lightroom on iphone, so this seems great.
[19:31] <rick_h> cool
[19:31] <rick_h> does it ship full photos or just reduced resolution ones?
[19:32] <jrwren> great question. I should check.
[19:32] <jrwren> I'd assume full these days, but you never knoew.
[19:32] <rick_h> yea, some cameras I've had only do smaller versions
[19:32] <jrwren> I have a shit wifi nikon that only ships smaller and I didn't know that before I bought it.
[19:32] <rick_h> wifi tends to do more since it's higher bandwidth.
[19:32] <jrwren> i mean, it is cheapo point and shoot, but still
[19:32] <rick_h> ah, heh there goes my assuming wifi > BT there
[19:33] <mrgoodcat> anybody got a pair of ANC headphones they recommend?
[19:33] <mrgoodcat> looking at bose qc25/qc35 or plantronics backbeat pro 2 right now
[19:37] <rick_h> mrgoodcat: I love my qc20 but they're wired and :/ if pixel doesn't have a port
[19:38] <rick_h> jrwren: so looking at dpreview it's getting a negative for wanting to manual control stuff and such
[19:38] <jrwren> https://www.shutterbug.com/content/nikon-d3400-dslr-review-snapbridge-wireless-connectivity-affordable-dslr  sounds pretty sweet.
[19:38] <rick_h> jrwren: +1 to getting on nikon glass
[19:39] <jrwren> rick_h: the camera in general or that BT conn thing?
[19:39] <rick_h> jrwren: dxomark doesn't have feedback on the 70-300 so not sure how that is
[19:39] <rick_h> jrwren: the d3400 camera
[19:40] <jrwren> thanks. I'll go read that.
[19:40] <rick_h> I'll never understand the stupid nikon model numbers. 3300, 5600, 3400...
[19:40] <jrwren> its the wirecutter recommended entry level, so I'll have to compare the reasons.
[19:40] <rick_h> jrwren: gotcha
[19:41] <rick_h> jrwren: https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-d3400-review
[19:41] <rick_h> jrwren: https://goo.gl/UhY8nJ for the glass
[19:43] <mrgoodcat> rick_h: yea i'm kinda ambivalent about wired. for now i'm happy with my pixel 1 but it won't last forever and i'll be a little annoyed if my headphones only last 2 years because my next phone doesn't have a jack
[19:44] <rick_h> mrgoodcat: yea, especially for the $$ NC headphones are
[19:44] <mrgoodcat> yea. the backbeat pro 2s get good reviews for a _relatively_ affordable price though
[19:44] <mrgoodcat> and wireless
[19:45] <rick_h> I've been looking at the wireless versions of my qc25s, but the NC is not up to snuff
[19:45] <mrgoodcat> on the 35s?
[19:45] <mrgoodcat> everything i've seen says the 35s have the best NC on the market
[19:45] <mrgoodcat> i've not used them yet though. a trip to best buy is in order fairly soon
[19:46] <rick_h> no the 30s
[19:46] <rick_h> sorry, I do earbuds since they pack a lot smaller
[19:47] <mrgoodcat> ah yea. I looked at some earbuds but for wearing all day at the office i'd rather have something more comfortable
[19:48] <mrgoodcat> we have a saddening combination of a training program for ~20 recent college grads, and a foosball table
[19:48] <mrgoodcat> i like foosball as much as the next guy but...
[19:48] <mrgoodcat> its time for some NC headphones
[19:48] <rick_h> jrwren: what about d5600? maybe used?
[19:49] <rick_h> jrwren: gets better reviews on dpreview it looks like and in nikon glass. Little bit more but maybe can get a used one from someone upgrading
[19:51] <cmaloney> NC headphones are overrated
[19:51] <cmaloney> Just get something that closes off the ear canal and you're good
[19:52] <jrwren> rick_h: maybe... and now i think i should consider mirrorless too
[19:53] <rick_h> Consider mirrorless and I'll say I love my Sony's and I'm happy to have moved there from Olympus.
[20:11] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: i would have thought so too before this foosball table entered my life
[20:12] <mrgoodcat> i've had sony a57, a100, and a700. none of them have disappointed me
[20:23] <jrwren> rick_h: kinda seems like entry level sony a5000 is a way better choice for her.
[20:28] <rick_h> jrwren: 6000 or 6300 ftw
[20:28] <jrwren> why?
[20:29] <jrwren> i think you are probably right.
[20:33] <jrwren> I mean... why buy entry level when you can go midrange for twice the price. :)
[20:53] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, I'm biased as I'm a long way down the rabbit hole so my feedback, as someone that's bought a few cameras, is that the higher you can jump up the ladder the better off you'll be long time
[20:53] <rick_h> long term
[21:12] <cmaloney> Yeah, the classifieds are full of folks that didn't buy good enough
[21:12] <cmaloney> might even see if you can find something used
[21:14] <jrwren> I think reading and rick_h has me convinced of 6300
[21:14] <jrwren> rick_h has finer states than me, but if I can't convince myself that lesser will do, then I think I have to go for the good stuff.
[21:16] <rick_h> happy to be a bad influence if it all works out, otherwise I had nothing to do with it :P
[22:11] <greg-g> team member's photos: https://tylercipriani.com/photos/solar-eclipse/
[22:12] <rick_h> Nice