=== jhernandez is now known as jhernandez_ === jhernandez is now known as jhernandez_ [05:26] morning [06:09] good morning desktoppers! [06:19] Morning jibel, oSoMoN [06:20] good afternoon duflu [06:21] salut jibel [06:27] good morning [06:32] Morning didrocks [06:32] hey duflu [06:33] duflu: I commented on the gdm bug, I wonder if the patch to revert the priority list was what triggered the bug [06:33] like 2 lists that aren't synced [06:33] did you see any cases where the selected session didn't work out now with new gdm? [06:33] (I didn't/couldn't test enough yet to be certain) [06:34] didrocks, Oh I didn't see. Yes it sounds like things aren't synced. Possibly the real list that gets used if the popup never appeared is a different order to the popup GUI list [06:34] hey desktopers :) [06:35] afaics eog-plugins is suppose to pull in all plugins after the split, but it doesnt depend on any [06:37] hey ricotz [06:37] didrocks, hi [06:39] didrocks, bonus though - my upstream fix remains because it was independent of your change :) [06:39] good morning didrocks, ricotz [06:39] duflu: your upstream fix? sorry, didn't follow along [06:39] hey oSoMoN! [06:40] didrocks, my old upstream gdm fix for Wayland sessions. Twas triggered by your change (now removed) but I designed the upstream fix to not conflict. So no merge problems [06:40] oSoMoN, hi, something went wrong here? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:5.4.0-0ubuntu1 [06:41] TLDR - everything is good [06:42] Maybe there's another upstream ordering bug but we might have just worked around it, so hopefully won't notice any more [06:43] duflu: ah nice, so let's see ;) [06:48] ricotz, ever seen this "Build for superseded Source" message? I haven't [06:52] I guess we'll have to wait for seb to get online to shed some light on this [06:54] oSoMoN, yeah, no idea, looks like the packages built, but the source never made it into the archive which seems to be the reason to reject the binaries [07:13] * didrocks restarts, brb [07:18] good morning seb128, do you know what happened with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:5.4.0-0ubuntu1 ? [07:19] good morning desktopers [07:20] oSoMoN, yes, I screwed, I didn't find a .changes so I tried to copy-ppa instead of dputing but turns out you need to send to artful-proposed and not artful like for uploads, there is no redirection for copies [07:20] so I directly put the update to artful [07:20] deleting the old version [07:20] then I try to revert/go back to what we had [07:20] but I think didn't fully worked out [07:20] do we need a 1:5.4.0-0ubuntu2 to fix things? [07:20] I ended up going to bed and letting things to be sorted out this morning [07:21] oSoMoN, that would be nice, with a .changes I can dput this time would even be better [07:26] hum [07:27] so post updates (few days pending) logout/login logged me into a GNOME session (like adwaita theme) [07:27] where I was using ubuntu wayland [07:28] brb, restarting in an ubuntu one [07:31] bah, Ubuntu Wayland is what is selected in gdm [07:31] but that's not what it gives me :/- [07:31] * seb128 looks at didrocks [07:31] seb128: still the gdm bug [07:31] maybe? [07:32] I though it would be fixed once wayland is default? [07:32] what made you think it will be fixed? [07:32] what I understood from the irc conversation [07:32] it may be fixed, that's why I infer, and should be tested afterwards [07:32] so probably just misunderstanding from my side [07:32] and I told it didn't deserve more testing before reverting that change [07:32] you are welcome to debug… [07:33] you know I've been slacking all the time for the past weeks/months [07:33] and that I'm not doing anything either today… [07:33] so, I clearly have time to debug that before FF, because all other features are on their way, correct? [07:33] seb128, I had a similar issue earlier this morning, my session abruptly closed under me, and when I logged back in, I was in a gnome session instead of ubuntu [07:33] also, as I have extra time, I'm please to have this alt regression that starts to occurs after upgrade [07:33] waouh, starting easily this morning [07:34] seb128: not pleasant after working 50h+ to be told "looks at you" [07:34] like "what have you done?" [07:34] didrocks, it was not meant as a criticism [07:34] sounded like it [07:35] and the "I though it would be fixed once wayland is default?" [07:35] * didrocks looks at logs [07:35] as it's the only thing that matter now [07:35] sorry it was not meant that way [07:35] it was an honest question [07:35] seb128: also, unsure why this is on me [07:35] seb128, I’m preparing a 1:5.4.0-0ubuntu2, and I’ll use that to enhance the changelog with more details about new build deps and runtime deps [07:35] anyone can also look at it? [07:35] don't think I introduced this bug… [07:36] didrocks, it's not, don't get started the wrong way [07:36] it's just a bug [07:36] well, we have a lot of those [07:36] I mentioned your name because we discussed it a few weeks back [07:36] right [07:36] the "looks at" isn't the right way to mention anyone's name [07:37] also, do you have this alt + left/right key triggering tty changes? [07:37] oSoMoN, thanks, but just do what is the easiest, the archive is screwed so we need the new version uploaded [07:37] didrocks, that was meant as some teasing, sorry it went the wrong way [07:37] :-( [07:38] no, alt-left/right changes channels in hexchat here [07:38] I've the current console-setup from x_nox with the upstart job removal [07:38] but I only session restarted, not rebooted [07:38] sorry to have taking in that way, but I would like to have a working machine first to be able to work, as there is now this indicator thing to be done ASAP (and could have been anticipated)… [07:38] ah [07:38] let me reboot [07:38] maybe it's because you didn't reboot [07:38] thanks [07:42] didrocks, oSoMoN, session fixed after reboot [07:42] gdm wasn't restart and the list of session between ui and disk was out of sync I think [07:42] oh, you didn't restart gdm? [07:42] so, didn't revert the gdm patch [07:42] it had gnome/gnome wayland/ubuntu/ubuntu wayland with ubuntu wayland selected [07:42] right [07:42] and gdm doesn't reload the list dynamically [07:42] now after reboot it has "on xorg" [07:42] yeah [07:43] right [07:43] ok, at least, it's still **potentially** fixed [07:43] alt-left/right still switch hexchat channels [07:43] grrr, I had a debconf question [07:43] kept the default [07:43] to switch keyboard layout [07:43] and then rebooted [07:43] and now, I can't do anything useful with alt :( [07:44] I tried wayland and xorg (currently back to xorg) [07:44] try to maybe dpkg-reconfigure console-setup [07:45] I didn't have a debconf session [07:45] tried this [07:45] you have multiple keyboard layout, correct? [07:47] sounds quite common: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1508146 [07:47] Ubuntu bug 1508146 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "alt + left/right arrows switch between tty consoles, cannot disable" [Undecided,Confirmed] [07:48] I've fr and en [07:48] hi all! Just switched to wayland, and it mostly seems to work, except my touchpad now misses a "right click" possibility. How can I help debug/fix? [07:49] (the touchpad has physical clicks when depressed bottom left or bottom right. The bottom right click registers as "main" click as well) [07:58] succeeded in disabling alt + arrow keys thx to a workaround on that post, but weechat still not working on alt + number to switch channels [08:00] seb128: if you set a shortcut in gnome-terminal, like "switch to tab x" to alt + 1, what do you get printed? [08:00] I only have "1" printed [08:00] (and then, crash) [08:02] moinoinoin [08:02] morning all [08:03] hey Laney, willcooke [08:06] hey willcooke hey didrocks [08:06] what's up [08:07] trying to understand why after today's update, alt + number doesn't work on my weechat [08:07] otherwise good [08:07] yourself? [08:07] what got updated? [08:07] yeah i'm okay [08:08] a bunch of things, didn't update yesterday [08:08] or rather, reboot between updates [08:08] first was alt + arrow keys shifted me to tty [08:08] (sounds like a repeated regression) [08:08] been there [08:08] and now, everything "works" apart from alt + number (that I only use in weechat, unsure what else is using this) [08:09] is it going to the terminal emulator itself? [08:09] alt + j + numbers works for higher buffer [08:09] Laney: unsure, this is the issue [08:09] how could I konw? [08:10] something like xev but in the terminal [08:10] then press the keys and see if they get to it [08:11] or check the keybinding list and see if "switch to tab N" got remapped back by a bug ;-) [08:11] Laney: well, xev isn't in the terminal, which is my issue… [08:11] but in xev, I see the 4 events, of course [08:11] yes [08:11] which isn't the terminal env :p [08:12] not xev itself of course [08:12] I checked the keybinding list, nothing… [08:12] something that does that kind of thing but in a terminal [08:12] I don't know of any, do you? [08:12] I would have to research [08:13] how did you fix the alt + left/right btw? Just the workaround to reflush? As it happened again for multiple people, we should fix it the right way IMHO [08:13] I didn't have it on this laptop I don't think [08:14] but on the other one, when you got it? Did you change anything in the archive or workarounded it locally? (just curious) [08:14] I think I remember finding an upstream bug that described what I had [08:15] but probably just rebooted to fix it [08:15] did talk about it on IRC at the time [08:15] hey Laney willcooke [08:15] interesting, so alt + number works in other apps [08:15] but terminal [08:15] I didn't get any g-t update though [08:17] hey seb128 [08:17] how's it going? [08:17] good! though I screwed artful yesterday night :-/ [08:17] my phone battery sucks these days [08:17] 84% and I only read a few news articles [08:17] turns out that copy-package to artful isn't a good idea [08:17] oho [08:17] it doesn't redirect to proposed [08:17] so I sent libreoffice directly to artful [08:17] yeah archive admins and release team don't have the safety net there [08:17] then tried to demote-proposed and copy back the old version [08:18] but that failed [08:18] so artful has no libreoffice-l10n atm [08:18] there's weird bugs around operating on the same package with copies [08:18] you have to sometimes wait a publisher cycle [08:18] seb128, https://people.canonical.com/~osomon/libreoffice-5.4.0/ [08:18] not sure when exactly [08:18] oSoMoN, thanks [08:20] did you try something like "copy-package --from=ubuntu --to=ubuntu --from-suite=artful --force-same-destination --include-binaries --version=1:5.3.4-0ubuntu1 libreoffice-l10n"? [08:20] $ ./copy-package -b --from=ubuntu -s artful --to=ubuntu --force-same-destination -e 1:5.3.4-0ubuntu1 libreoffice-l10n [08:20] is what I tried [08:20] the same command worked for libreoffice itself [08:20] just errored? [08:21] I didn't get an error or anything for l10n [08:21] it said it was copying [08:21] but I never saw a result [08:21] weird [08:21] maybe launchpad guys can look in the logs [08:21] that's the same command I just pasted which I think is right [08:27] ok, workarounded for now with alt + number-without-shift remapping in weechat [08:29] didrocks, did you try downgrading console-setup to make sure it's the one creating the issue? [08:30] tried it [08:30] didn't work, even after reboot [08:30] and in the same length, Alt + Ctrl + Shift + up/down doesn't work [08:30] I wonder if the issue isn't related to alt + shift [08:33] I guess my best bet would be to list all debconf database [08:34] didrocks, with today's iso the theme is not right when you select 'install ubuntu' [08:34] didrocks, it's a light theme [08:36] jibel: ah, that's what I expected [08:36] jibel: ok, will get to it just after FF [08:36] (I guess it was already in yesterday's image though) [08:37] jamesh, hey, did you see my msgs about connectivy portal? [08:38] didrocks, and after installation it's x11, did the change to default to wayland landed on time for this build? [08:38] apparently so [08:40] jibel: an, this one is interesting [08:40] anyway, log bugs, we will need to get through them whenever we can [08:46] oSoMoN, ricotz, libreoffice situation should be sorted out, restore old packages in artful and got the new ones in artful-proposed [08:46] oSoMoN, thanks for the packages ready to sponsor [08:46] and another keyboard reconfigure (setting something else, and reresetting worked) [08:46] phew [08:47] didrocks, \o/ [08:47] seb128: still annoying though we get things like this :/ [08:47] seb128: ok, so back to business [08:47] appindicators [08:47] do we have a great default apps using it that I can test/showcase? [08:49] transmission [08:49] vino [08:50] tomboy but it's not default [08:51] will give it a try with transmission [08:55] Morning Desktopers [08:57] seb128: anything needed to be done for transmission? Downloading an iso, no appindicator [08:57] I got the second "pulseaudio" indicator though [08:57] hey flexiondotorg [08:58] didrocks, maybe the extension is not working? [08:58] try with the appindicator tool binary? [08:58] seb128: well, it should work, or I wouldn't have had the second pulseaudio icon I think [08:58] but let's try with the tool [08:59] didrocks, tomboy otherwise? [08:59] hum, install mono for one test? :p [08:59] good point [08:59] finding the appindicator tool… [09:01] didrocks, try installing indicator-keylock otherwise [09:01] installed, should I get anything after running it? [09:02] oh right [09:02] num lock [09:02] works [09:02] so transmission may be broken? [09:02] Trevinho: mind testing transmission with appindicator extension? ^ [09:03] not sure it's wise to add indicator-keylock as an example [09:03] didrocks: ok [09:03] hey Trevinho ;) [09:03] hi didrocks [09:03] and seb128 [09:03] Trevinho: with what applications are you testing generally btw? [09:03] and others :) [09:03] like? Anything interesting for an example ? [09:03] (in an hangout but looking more after) [09:04] and I need to find why having online source in pulseaudio shows up in the indicator [09:04] didrocks: I've been using the example app from libappindicaotor with some random hacks, qt systray apps... [09:04] Trevinho: is it the same for you? ^ [09:04] and electron apps with forced desktop [09:04] could use clementine [09:04] as an example [09:17] Trevinho: is that expected that if I remove indicator-application, kill the user service, then indicator-keylock still shows up in the indicator part? [09:17] I was thinking that we'll need to reseed indicator-application but I'm unsure now (or was that just for unity panel proxy and the extension doesn't use it?) [09:17] didrocks: no,indicator-application isn't needed at this point. [09:18] didrocks: the extension create the dbus server to the applications will connect to now [09:18] ok, that was the unity proxy [09:18] great! [09:18] Trevinho: keep us posted for transmission [09:19] OH [09:20] i have the alt-arrows bug too! [09:20] do we get any badge? [09:20] or need to create a launchpad team [09:21] this is annoying when you use a tiling terminal [09:21] that's how you switch between them :P [09:22] yeah, and I guess you are not affecting with alt + numbers because you don't need to use the shift keys [09:22] even after reconfiguring, it's funky [09:22] like alt + shift + number works [09:22] (in order) [09:22] but shift + alt + number doesn't [09:24] azerty [09:24] well, software bug :p [09:24] used to work [09:25] zorks for ,e [09:25] sorry1 [09:25] * Laney added azerty [09:25] ;) [09:25] :) [09:25] alt-shift-1234567890 and shift-alt-1234567890 work properly [09:25] how do you test? [09:25] irssi [09:26] interesting, I doubt weechat regressed without updating [09:26] but there is clearly something wrong in this console-conf update (or something wrong for a long time triggered by this update) [09:27] Laney, so the pocket copy worked yesterday but it was in sourceNEW and nothing told me [09:27] oho [09:27] Laney, I noticed this morning when I went to review something else [09:28] https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/830614 [09:28] Ubuntu bug 830614 in Launchpad itself "Email not immediately sent for copied packages which end up in queues" [Low,Triaged] [09:28] oh great, deja-dup update removed all my server settings for backing up [09:28] quality© [09:28] ah, we just missed its bug birthday! [09:29] (and reverted to cloudnext) [09:31] Laney, thanks [09:32] guessing that it's not going to be fixed any time soon ;-) [09:33] didrocks, there is a migration code but maybe you need to restart [09:34] seb128: for deja-dup? [09:34] yes [09:34] I did update on Friday [09:34] and rebooted multiple times since [09:35] I don't have the nautilus entries anymore, just "network server" [09:37] so, reentered manually the address [09:38] :-/ [09:38] mteeeerry [09:41] just reinstalling console-setup makes this bug happen [09:42] probably something the postinst does [09:44] * Laney knows what it is [09:44] jbicha: mooorning [09:44] jbicha: sorry for the ping :D [09:45] hey andyrock, how are you? [09:45] elif [ -d /lib/debian-installer ] || \ [09:45] expr "$(fgconsole 2>/dev/null || true)" : '[1-6]$' >/dev/null; then [09:45] setupcon --force [09:46] guess what the fgconsole is now that it wasn't before [09:46] :) [09:46] hey seb128 good good [09:52] this is an ubuntu delta [09:52] weird [09:56] cyphermox: xnox: can you halp with this console-setup thing? [09:56] Laney, what's up? [09:56] setupcon --force is now running because we have gnome-shell on vt2 [09:56] argh [09:56] which is breaking that condition I just pasted up there [09:57] what's the right way out? [09:57] ask logind what's running on that vt? [09:57] or, what's this bit of delta for and is it still necessary? [09:57] that sounds reasonable. (logind) [09:58] yeah, no clue, need to dig into history to find that out [09:58] also i'm not sure if that is relevant anymore [09:58] also 1-6 bit looks odd to me [09:58] seems like it might be a bit crusty [10:02] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/93338 [10:02] Ubuntu bug 93338 in console-setup (Ubuntu) "updating console-setup in X destroys screen" [Undecided,Fix released] [10:03] old skool [10:08] didrocks: transmission, once i enabled the icon in settings it's working to me.. [10:11] didrocks, Trevinho, oh right it's a setting, I though that was enabled by default [10:12] I've to say that the setting doesn't seem to work well when toggled [10:12] so it might be something to look at anyway [10:14] seb128: sorry, missed your ping. I've got a patch ready. I don't think I've got access to our network-manager packaging git repo, but I can send you the patch. [10:16] hey jamesh [10:16] hi Laney [10:16] you good? [10:17] yes. [10:18] didrocks, seb128: I guess that the setting was somewhat enabled by default in unity.. But not sure. [10:18] anyway indeed there's a problem when toggling it, so I'll look into that too [10:22] jamesh, that would nb [10:22] jamesh, that would be good thanks [10:22] seb128: I've just emailed you the patch (this is against the network-manager/ubuntu repo, with the other packaging changes [10:22] thx [10:31] I was testing isos last night, no DNS resolution in the daily images. Can other desktopers confirm? [10:32] See #ubuntu-devel, it's being worked on atm [10:32] flexiondotorg: [10:33] Laney ty [10:34] oSoMoN: btw, I started a conversation about the fonts issue with snaps yesterday: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/desktop-allow-access-to-host-system-fonts/1796 [10:36] oSoMoN: I think we can get this supported in one of the existing interfaces so it eventually just works for all apps [10:38] jamesh, thanks, I'll be following that conversation closely [10:51] back [10:53] Trevinho, andyrock, so I was wondering how doable it would be to use the same "source" (which I guess is libmessaging-menu) that unity was using to make the dock displays unread-count indications [10:55] seb128: no that wasn't libmessaginmenu [10:56] seb128: applications interacting with launcher were using libunity... [10:56] or just simple dbus (they only have to implement an interface of the c.c.Unity.Launcher) that gives infos such as `{'count': 2551L, 'urgent': False, 'progress-visible': False, 'count-visible': True, 'progress': 0.0}` [10:57] seb128: anyway... implementing that shouldn't be hard [10:58] maybe together with defining a new API that could other apps using without relying in libunity later [10:58] right [10:58] having a proper API would be nice, that's going to take more time though [10:59] well, I think our API is already fine... just adding an alias to something like com.ubuntu.Launcher maybe or something even more generic [10:59] or.. .actually there were already some efforts fore that [11:01] seb128: so dockmanager API was defined some years ago... we could just tell people to use that in future, as it's basically compatible already [11:01] http://wiki.go-docky.com/index.php?title=Writing_Helpers#DockManager_DBus_Interface_Specification [11:02] Trevinho, that would be nice [11:02] so together with implementing the libunity one, we can support both [11:02] it shouldn't be too much effort (if we already want one) [11:05] Trevinho, hmm [11:06] Trevinho, I didn't even came around to add dockmanager support to plank, since I was outruled by LauncherEntry [11:10] Trevinho, well, if andyrock wants to look at that I wouldn't say no :-) [11:11] seb128: kk I'll take a look [11:11] ricotz: yeah... well, we can still support both, or just rename that as something less unity-dependent [11:12] sure :) [11:27] seb128: do you know the url of the xenial branch of update-notifier? I cannot find it under https://code.launchpad.net/update-notifier [11:27] andyrock, I'm not sure there is one [11:28] so do I need to send the debdiff on the bug to SRU it later on? [11:29] yes [11:31] kk [11:47] Trevinho, are you aware of any dockmanager API user besides docky? [11:48] let me rephrase, ... any maintained application? [11:49] ricotz: i thought plank was using it, but if not..... well then no. [11:50] Trevinho, I see, I remember awn and docky [11:50] ricotz: also cairo dock was, but yeah... nothing really in use [11:51] so renaming the unity LauncherEntry interfaces to something more generic seems reasonable [11:51] ricotz: we can still continue in keeping our APIs just supporiting a more unity-less namespace [11:51] ok [11:51] and having a more common trigger-DBus-service [11:52] e.g. not only "com.canonical.Unity" [11:52] agree [11:53] maybe the best thing to do in the new namespace would be getiting rid of dbusmenu for the quiclists, supporing gmenu [11:53] but that's a different story [11:55] having libunity exposing/supporting the gmenu would be great [11:56] seems better to move this gmenu parser of gnome-shell code into glib or gtk+ [12:09] xnox: it got a bit out of hand https://paste.ubuntu.com/25369254/ [12:15]