| chesedo | morning all | 06:50 |
|---|---|---|
| nlsthzn | Goeie more Suid Afrika | 07:08 |
| inetpro | goeiedag nlsthzn, chesedo, en die res van die aardbolbewoners | 07:09 |
| nlsthzn | *yawn* :) | 07:13 |
| chesedo | nlsthzn: that's how i'm feeling | 07:20 |
| nlsthzn | feels like this is my current state of being :/ day in and day out... oh well :p | 07:20 |
| ebusuku | join #django | 07:28 |
| nlsthzn | \o/ CPU cooler and 8 giggle-bits more RAM arrived... this system will be going down soon :p | 08:08 |
| chesedo | nlsthzn: how does the new giggles feel? | 09:16 |
| nlsthzn | sweet :) - and the temps are looking good :) | 09:17 |
| chesedo | nlsthzn: did you stress test it? | 09:18 |
| nlsthzn | going to give it some time for everything to settle... then I will give it some gas | 09:19 |
| chesedo | oh, what is the standard soft used for testing these days? | 09:20 |
| nlsthzn | not sure in linux... will look into it (push comes to shove I will just push a game or something | 09:20 |
| nlsthzn | :( Starcraft Remastered doesn't want to start | 09:50 |
| nlsthzn | gives a wine error about running in 256 colors >.< | 09:50 |
| nlsthzn | well, with the same CPU load two hours ago I was seeing temperatures 20 degC higher than now... so that is a win in my books :D | 10:15 |
| nlsthzn | Cooler Master FTW :D | 10:15 |
| Kilos | hi guys ill try be awake for tonights meeting | 11:32 |
| chesedo | hi oom Kilos | 12:15 |
| Kilos | hi chesedo and other lurkers | 12:16 |
| Kilos | oh an inetpro | 12:16 |
| Kilos | hi ebusuku | 12:16 |
| ebusuku | Hi Kilos | 12:16 |
| Kilos | wonder who that is | 12:17 |
| Kilos | you new here? | 12:17 |
| Kilos | hi nlsthzn | 12:17 |
| ebusuku | not really, just have not been here is a couple yrs | 12:17 |
| Kilos | hahaha | 12:17 |
| nlsthzn | hey uncle Kilos :) | 12:18 |
| ebusuku | s/is/for | 12:18 |
| Kilos | well welcome back then | 12:18 |
| ebusuku | :) | 12:18 |
| Kilos | hows ahab land behaving nlsthzn | 12:19 |
| nlsthzn | hot as hell and twice as humid... other than that same old | 12:19 |
| nlsthzn | and ZA land? | 12:19 |
| Kilos | still cold here and windy month now | 12:19 |
| nlsthzn | ah yes, good old August :) | 12:21 |
| SugarHigh | waar is oom Kilos ? | 14:32 |
| Kilos | SugarHigh hi there | 15:34 |
| Kilos | who are you | 15:34 |
| Kilos | was napping sorry | 15:34 |
| SugarHigh | ekke is 'totimkopf' | 15:36 |
| Kilos | hahaha | 16:03 |
| SugarHigh | is Delphi gewild in ZA? | 16:34 |
| MaNI | there is a small market for it, not nearly as large as other languages | 16:41 |
| paddatrapper | SugarHigh: Dis nou wat die skole moet gebruik | 17:30 |
| SugarHigh | paddatrapper: lekker! | 17:30 |
| SugarHigh | ek dink dat Delphi (Object Pascal) baie cool is | 17:31 |
| chesedo | SugarHigh: do not get me started on delphi... | 17:35 |
| SugarHigh | chesedo: wat is fout met Delphi | 17:36 |
| chesedo | having been forced to use a 10year old version for school grew a massive dislike for me | 17:36 |
| SugarHigh | lol | 17:36 |
| chesedo | although oddly enough, I do like C++ very much | 17:37 |
| SugarHigh | chesedo: welke weergawe Delphi? | 17:37 |
| MaNI | don't see why that should be odd, despite a lot of people making a lot of noise that you should hate C++ it's actually a very powerful widespread and successful language | 17:38 |
| MaNI | that is constantly improving. | 17:38 |
| chesedo | we used Delphi 2003 in the year 2014 - i think that was | 17:39 |
| chesedo | SugarHigh: the bit more verbose version is that I already knew VB, and some PHP, JS and C++ and then felt that it was cribling | 17:39 |
| chesedo | delphi and C++ are quite similar - the delphi docs even have most examples in both langs | 17:40 |
| SugarHigh | chesedo: are you sure it wasn't crippling just because it was a new language for you? | 17:40 |
| chesedo | SugarHigh: my original rant -> http://disq.us/p/hwzz39 | 17:45 |
| MaNI | why did they got o java to begin with, they should have just stuck with pascal :/ | 17:46 |
| SugarHigh | chesedo: they *could* have saved money by using lazarus + free pascal | 17:47 |
| SugarHigh | ah, wait the money is in retraining teachers | 17:48 |
| chesedo | or just go with Python | 17:48 |
| SugarHigh | whose idea was it to go Delphi? what is ZA's affinity with Delphi? | 17:48 |
| chesedo | well it seems that my original ranting was premature... | 17:49 |
| MaNI | If I had to venture I guess I'd say that they couldn't find anyone who both knows java and is willing to take a lowly teacher salary | 17:51 |
| SugarHigh | aw | 17:51 |
| MaNI | before they jumped to Java pascal was what schools used, there are a bunch of "teacher level" people around who know enough pascal to pretend they are teaching people but not enough to be a programmer | 17:51 |
| SugarHigh | ah I see MaNI | 17:52 |
| MaNI | so going back to Delphi means they may actually be able to find some teachers as opposed to no teachers at all | 17:52 |
| MaNI | (but just a guess) | 17:52 |
| * chesedo cannot find a version of that article with the comment restored | 17:54 | |
| MaNI | I don't personally believe that people in the early stages of learning programming should go near UI at all, they should have just stuck to pascal - which was anyway originally intended to be a good language for teaching | 17:54 |
| chesedo | MaNI: for your FET phase (grade 10-12) i remember working in the gui a lot | 17:55 |
| chesedo | last year and a half was focused on OOP | 17:56 |
| SugarHigh | when I was in grade 10-12 (in the US) we just did Turbo Pascal | 17:56 |
| MaNI | yeah was only TP for us also | 18:00 |
| superfly | chesedo: when's the meeting? | 18:06 |
| superfly | (in relative time) | 18:06 |
| chesedo | superfly: in 24mins | 18:06 |
| superfly | phew, OK, I didn't miss it | 18:06 |
| chesedo | and hi, how goes superfly | 18:06 |
| superfly | hey chesedo, I'm doing well thanks. | 18:07 |
| * chesedo just finished preparing for it | 18:07 | |
| Kilos | woohoo hi superfly im still awake but ready to doze | 18:07 |
| Kilos | haha | 18:07 |
| chesedo | SugarHigh and MaNI: did you goes do version 7? | 18:07 |
| SugarHigh | I don't remember, I think it was under 5 | 18:08 |
| superfly | Kilos: you can't doze now, it's only 11:08! :-P | 18:08 |
| Kilos | hahaha | 18:08 |
| Kilos | freezing and dark here man | 18:09 |
| chesedo | wiki mentions its last version (version 7) as also being know as Borland Pascal which is the 2003 version i mentioned | 18:09 |
| Kilos | all good superfly ? | 18:09 |
| superfly | Kilos: yes, yes | 18:09 |
| MaNI | yeah I can't honestly remember what version we were on | 18:09 |
| Kilos | great | 18:09 |
| superfly | chesedo: I still have my original Turbo Pascal 7 stiffy disks. Even moving across the world wasn't going to stop me from keeping them | 18:09 |
| MaNI | I learnt pascal/delphi at home from my father while I was still in primary school as well - so it's a blur which version I was using where | 18:10 |
| MaNI | it was probably 7 | 18:10 |
| * chesedo now wonders if our progressive school system is still on 7 too | 18:11 | |
| superfly | Just remember... the guy who made Turbo Pascal and Delphi went on to create C# and .NET | 18:11 |
| MaNI | honestly it would be sufficient, at a school level I think teaching some of the basic logic constructs is far more important than being on the leatest and greatest | 18:11 |
| superfly | Python is a much better teaching tool | 18:12 |
| MaNI | as I said before letting beginners anywhere near a UI is actually a giant mistake | 18:12 |
| superfly | ^^ exactly | 18:12 |
| chesedo | in the middle east, they teach recursive functions at grade 7 and also not GUIs allowed if irc | 18:13 |
| chesedo | s/not/no/ | 18:13 |
| MaNI | sounds right | 18:14 |
| chesedo | MaNI: by "basic logic constructs", do you mean some basic boolean logic too? | 18:15 |
| superfly | From the Wikipedia page on Turbo Pascal: Bill Gates saw the success of Turbo Pascal "in very personal terms, and 'couldn't understand why [Microsoft's] stuff was so slow. He would bring in poor Greg Whitten [programming director of Microsoft languages] and yell at him for half an hour.' He couldn't understand why Kahn had been able to beat an established competitor like Microsoft." | 18:15 |
| chesedo | lol | 18:15 |
| superfly | The only reason .NET is any good is because Microsoft (literally) bought the guy who wrote Turbo Pascal and Delphi. | 18:16 |
| MaNI | Was mostly thinking just your general - while loops, switch statements, recursion and so on mostly. | 18:19 |
| chesedo | MaNI: right... | 18:19 |
| MaNI | I'd love to see discrete math and/or formal logic be school subjects in place of some of the other less useful stuff that is tought, but thats a whole other subject ;) | 18:19 |
| MaNI | *taught | 18:20 |
| SugarHigh | MaNI: do you think discrete math and formal logic should replace calculus in high schools?? | 18:20 |
| MaNI | I think there is a good argument for it, especially formal logic. I think a proper grasp of formal logic would equip the average person to deal with all sorts of things that life requires in a better way, including seeing through the simple tricks that politicians tend to use to manipulate them. | 18:22 |
| SugarHigh | :D | 18:22 |
| SugarHigh | yes, my country could use a healthy dose of that | 18:22 |
| MaNI | https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ - we should be indoctrinating all children with this sort of stuff - hehe | 18:23 |
| chesedo | MaNI: with the use of social media (and vast sharing of opinions) in the next gen, i would think that it would be very important | 18:28 |
| * chesedo puts his racing fingers on | 18:29 | |
| chesedo | Maaz: start meeting about Ubuntu Monthly Meeting - August 2017 | 18:30 |
| * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles | 18:30 | |
| chesedo | Maaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction | 18:30 |
| Maaz | Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction | 18:30 |
| chesedo | Welcome all and thank you for joining in on our 'renewed' monthly meeting | 18:30 |
| chesedo | As usual, our bot maaz does the minutes, so please introduce yourself to it using `Maaz: I am <firstname lastname>` eg. | 18:30 |
| chesedo | Maaz: I am Pieter Engelbrecht | 18:30 |
| Maaz | chesedo: Alrighty | 18:30 |
| Kilos | Maaz I am Miles Sharpe | 18:31 |
| Maaz | Kilos: Sure | 18:31 |
| chesedo | inetpro Kilos superfly MaNI SugarHigh theblazehen paddatrapper londoner ^ | 18:31 |
| paddatrapper | chesedo: thanks | 18:31 |
| paddatrapper | Maaz: I am Kyle Robbertze | 18:31 |
| Maaz | paddatrapper: Sure | 18:31 |
| chesedo | paddatrapper: np | 18:31 |
| superfly | Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman | 18:31 |
| Maaz | superfly: Righto | 18:31 |
| londoner | Maaz: I am Paul Romano | 18:31 |
| Maaz | londoner: Alrighty | 18:31 |
| Kilos | hi londoner and everyone else | 18:32 |
| chesedo | psychicist: you might wanna join too | 18:32 |
| chesedo | Today's agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20170822 | 18:32 |
| Kilos | nag them all chesedo | 18:32 |
| chesedo | Any last minute additions are welcome | 18:32 |
| chesedo | Kilos: i will have to find my nagger first... :P | 18:32 |
| chesedo | Maaz: agreed All happy with agenda | 18:33 |
| Maaz | Agreed: All happy with agenda | 18:33 |
| chesedo | Maaz: topic Review minutes of previous meeting | 18:33 |
| Maaz | Current Topic: Review minutes of previous meeting | 18:33 |
| chesedo | previous meeting minutes is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20170523 | 18:33 |
| superfly | sjoe been ages since the last meeting | 18:33 |
| chesedo | I will try to be as quick today too :D | 18:33 |
| paddatrapper | superfly: yeah we kinda forgot the last couple... | 18:33 |
| chesedo | superfly: yip, we've been missing | 18:34 |
| chesedo | "forgot" | 18:34 |
| chesedo | Maaz: agreed All happy with previous minutes | 18:34 |
| Maaz | Agreed: All happy with previous minutes | 18:34 |
| chesedo | Maaz: topic Next Steps | 18:34 |
| Maaz | Current Topic: Next Steps | 18:34 |
| Kilos | i been sleeping too | 18:34 |
| chesedo | Anyone needing help on any next steps activities? | 18:34 |
| * inetpro \o/ | 18:35 | |
| inetpro | Maaz I am Gustav H Meyer | 18:35 |
| Maaz | inetpro: Sure | 18:35 |
| inetpro | hello everybody | 18:35 |
| Kilos | lo pro | 18:35 |
| chesedo | aka: trello, launchpad IDs, mailing list, etc | 18:35 |
| chesedo | Maaz: agreed No new Next Steps | 18:35 |
| Maaz | Agreed: No new Next Steps | 18:35 |
| chesedo | Maaz: topic Events | 18:36 |
| Maaz | Current Topic: Events | 18:36 |
| superfly | I need to kinda "hand over" the mantle of the website to someone, or someoneS preferably | 18:36 |
| chesedo | upcoming events for the next month are: | 18:36 |
| chesedo | - Deep Learning Indaba: 11-15 September 2017 (Johannesburg) -> http://www.deeplearningindaba.com/ | 18:36 |
| paddatrapper | that does look interesting... Pitty it's in Joberg | 18:36 |
| chesedo | superfly: right, will cover under Misc... | 18:36 |
| superfly | chesedo: ack | 18:36 |
| chesedo | Is anyone organising anything else or knows of any other upcoming events? | 18:37 |
| paddatrapper | pyconZA is first week of October, still a while | 18:37 |
| chesedo | paddatrapper: the same one as here -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/UpcomingEvents | 18:38 |
| chesedo | *? | 18:38 |
| paddatrapper | chesedo: that's the one | 18:38 |
| * chesedo have been forgotting to update that too | 18:38 | |
| chesedo | paddatrapper: awesome | 18:38 |
| chesedo | Maaz: agreed No other events to add | 18:39 |
| Maaz | Agreed: No other events to add | 18:39 |
| chesedo | Maaz: topic Miscellaneous | 18:39 |
| Maaz | Current Topic: Miscellaneous | 18:39 |
| chesedo | superfly: syn | 18:39 |
| chesedo | i have not taken another look at the ubuntu edu project since exams | 18:40 |
| superfly | Right, so I'm on the other side of the world now, and it makes it difficult to co-ordinate with people, so I'm looking for volunteers to take over the website. | 18:40 |
| chesedo | nor know of any Ubuntu-for-Hope updates | 18:40 |
| chesedo | superfly: were is it currently at? | 18:41 |
| chesedo | hardware wise? | 18:41 |
| inetpro | I don't think there's a need to rush into moving the site | 18:41 |
| inetpro | unless someone is willing to host and maintain it for us for free | 18:42 |
| Kilos | take over as in maintain or move superfly | 18:42 |
| chesedo | at least it is static - so light weight... | 18:42 |
| superfly | Kilos: maintain it | 18:43 |
| Kilos | there you go inetpro | 18:44 |
| Kilos | ty superfly | 18:44 |
| chesedo | superfly: that would be just the bazaar branch right? | 18:44 |
| superfly | chesedo: it's currently hosted on a box at FrogFoot because it's the same box that hosts the CLUG website. tumbleweed organised it all. | 18:44 |
| chesedo | superfly: what does maintain currently involve? | 18:45 |
| superfly | chesedo: essentially yes. but sorting out hosting would probably also be good (I don't mind hosting it on a VPS of mine), and getting some sort of "control" over the domain name itself (Canonical I think owns the domain name and controls the DNS, so we'd need to talk to them if we move the hosting) | 18:45 |
| chesedo | copying over changes to the box? | 18:45 |
| superfly | chesedo: checking merge proposals on LP, deploying to the box | 18:46 |
| superfly | making sure information on the site is up to date, etc | 18:46 |
| chesedo | paddatrapper and inetpro: you game? | 18:46 |
| paddatrapper | can that deploy not be automated using a webhook to something? | 18:46 |
| * chesedo can be one of the volunteers too | 18:46 | |
| paddatrapper | chesedo: Not currently, sorry | 18:46 |
| chesedo | paddatrapper: np | 18:47 |
| inetpro | chesedo: between you and me I'm sure we can handle it | 18:47 |
| chesedo | superfly: pro and i are it :D | 18:47 |
| Kilos | cool | 18:48 |
| Kilos | ty superfly for looking after us for so long | 18:48 |
| chesedo | yip, ty superfly | 18:48 |
| superfly | I'm happy to still be around, I just don't have the time to spend on the site (and I'm in the wrong timezone) | 18:49 |
| chesedo | then last misc, the mini meetings have also gone stale... did you guys find it helpful/interesting? | 18:50 |
| chesedo | superfly: we don't keep doom in the chan so that you can stay around :P | 18:51 |
| Kilos | superdoom isnt strong enough | 18:51 |
| Kilos | hes a tough bug | 18:51 |
| chesedo | lol, that too | 18:51 |
| pavlushka | Maaz: I am Pavel Sayekat | 18:52 |
| Maaz | pavlushka: Alrighty | 18:52 |
| Kilos | hi pavlushka | 18:52 |
| pavlushka | o/ | 18:52 |
| superfly | chesedo: I'm sorry, you're not getting rid of me! :-P | 18:52 |
| pavlushka | ;) | 18:52 |
| Kilos | dont you dare think of leaving superfly | 18:52 |
| Kilos | ever ever ever | 18:52 |
| superfly | Kilos: I won't ever | 18:52 |
| chesedo | Maaz: agreed Mini meetings are dead for now | 18:53 |
| Maaz | Agreed: Mini meetings are dead for now | 18:53 |
| chesedo | Maaz: topic Next meeting | 18:53 |
| Maaz | Current Topic: Next meeting | 18:53 |
| chesedo | Maaz: agreed Next meeting is 26 September 2017 @ 20:30 | 18:53 |
| Maaz | Agreed: Next meeting is 26 September 2017 @ 20:30 | 18:53 |
| chesedo | Maaz: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting | 18:53 |
| Maaz | Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting | 18:53 |
| chesedo | any oldies game for next chair? | 18:53 |
| * chesedo is available too | 18:54 | |
| Kilos | i would like to thank the young guys for stepping up and doing so much for us | 18:54 |
| * inetpro will skip | 18:54 | |
| Kilos | and inetpro for always being there | 18:54 |
| chesedo | inetpro: i will just have to arrange for Oct... exams again... | 18:54 |
| * inetpro still has too much to catch up with at work | 18:54 | |
| paddatrapper | I _should_ be free | 18:55 |
| chesedo | inetpro: np, wil see to find someone in next one then | 18:55 |
| chesedo | ty paddatrapper, will remember | 18:55 |
| inetpro | paddatrapper: \o/ | 18:55 |
| chesedo | all good if i take Sept then | 18:55 |
| Kilos | yip | 18:55 |
| paddatrapper | cool | 18:56 |
| chesedo | Maaz: agreed chesedo to chair next meeting | 18:56 |
| Maaz | Agreed: chesedo to chair next meeting | 18:56 |
| chesedo | Maaz: end meeting | 18:56 |
| Maaz | Meeting Ended | 18:56 |
| Maaz | Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-08-22-18-30-05.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-08-22-18-30-05.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-08-22-18-30-05.html | 18:56 |
| inetpro | thanks chesedo | 18:56 |
| chesedo | oh, and thank you all for attending | 18:56 |
| chesedo | yw inetpro | 18:56 |
| Kilos | thank you chesedo and all attendees | 18:56 |
| pavlushka | Good day everyone :) | 18:56 |
| chesedo | night pavlushka | 18:58 |
| pavlushka | night chesedo :) | 18:58 |
| Kilos | ok guys be good | 18:58 |
| Kilos | night all . sleep tight | 18:58 |
| paddatrapper | thanks everyone | 18:59 |
| chesedo | ja well, night all too | 18:59 |
| paddatrapper | Kilos: night | 18:59 |
| Kilos | night frogboots | 18:59 |
| Kilos | rest well and work hard all of you | 18:59 |
| * pavlushka thinks so day was wrong ^^ | 18:59 | |
| Kilos | night superfly or happy lunch time | 18:59 |
| * pavlushka meant the whole day though | 19:00 | |
| Kilos | pavlushka normally when we greet at night we say good evening | 19:00 |
| Kilos | and good night for going to bed | 19:00 |
| Kilos | good day is a good greeting as well | 19:01 |
| pavlushka | Kilos: I was bading farewel actually :( | 19:01 |
| superfly | o/ | 19:01 |
| Kilos | if you say hi then there cant be mistakes | 19:01 |
| Kilos | aha ok pavlushka | 19:01 |
| Kilos | night guys | 19:02 |
| pavlushka | superfly: I wish eggs on your lunch. | 19:03 |
| pavlushka | superfly: or I wish you eggs on your lunch. | 19:03 |
| pavlushka | and every one a pro night :p | 19:04 |
| theblazehen | Sorry, /me was driving | 19:37 |
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