[06:50] morning all [07:08] Goeie more Suid Afrika [07:09] goeiedag nlsthzn, chesedo, en die res van die aardbolbewoners [07:13] *yawn* :) [07:20] nlsthzn: that's how i'm feeling [07:20] feels like this is my current state of being :/ day in and day out... oh well :p [07:28] join #django [08:08] \o/ CPU cooler and 8 giggle-bits more RAM arrived... this system will be going down soon :p [09:16] nlsthzn: how does the new giggles feel? [09:17] sweet :) - and the temps are looking good :) [09:18] nlsthzn: did you stress test it? [09:19] going to give it some time for everything to settle... then I will give it some gas [09:20] oh, what is the standard soft used for testing these days? [09:20] not sure in linux... will look into it (push comes to shove I will just push a game or something [09:50] :( Starcraft Remastered doesn't want to start [09:50] gives a wine error about running in 256 colors >.< [10:15] well, with the same CPU load two hours ago I was seeing temperatures 20 degC higher than now... so that is a win in my books :D [10:15] Cooler Master FTW :D [11:32] hi guys ill try be awake for tonights meeting [12:15] hi oom Kilos [12:16] hi chesedo and other lurkers [12:16] oh an inetpro [12:16] hi ebusuku [12:16] Hi Kilos [12:17] wonder who that is [12:17] you new here? [12:17] hi nlsthzn [12:17] not really, just have not been here is a couple yrs [12:17] hahaha [12:18] hey uncle Kilos :) [12:18] s/is/for [12:18] well welcome back then [12:18] :) [12:19] hows ahab land behaving nlsthzn [12:19] hot as hell and twice as humid... other than that same old [12:19] and ZA land? [12:19] still cold here and windy month now [12:21] ah yes, good old August :) [14:32] waar is oom Kilos ? [15:34] SugarHigh hi there [15:34] who are you [15:34] was napping sorry [15:36] ekke is 'totimkopf' [16:03] hahaha [16:34] is Delphi gewild in ZA? [16:41] there is a small market for it, not nearly as large as other languages [17:30] SugarHigh: Dis nou wat die skole moet gebruik [17:30] paddatrapper: lekker! [17:31] ek dink dat Delphi (Object Pascal) baie cool is [17:35] SugarHigh: do not get me started on delphi... [17:36] chesedo: wat is fout met Delphi [17:36] having been forced to use a 10year old version for school grew a massive dislike for me [17:36] lol [17:37] although oddly enough, I do like C++ very much [17:37] chesedo: welke weergawe Delphi? [17:38] don't see why that should be odd, despite a lot of people making a lot of noise that you should hate C++ it's actually a very powerful widespread and successful language [17:38] that is constantly improving. [17:39] we used Delphi 2003 in the year 2014 - i think that was [17:39] SugarHigh: the bit more verbose version is that I already knew VB, and some PHP, JS and C++ and then felt that it was cribling [17:40] delphi and C++ are quite similar - the delphi docs even have most examples in both langs [17:40] chesedo: are you sure it wasn't crippling just because it was a new language for you? [17:45] SugarHigh: my original rant -> http://disq.us/p/hwzz39 [17:46] why did they got o java to begin with, they should have just stuck with pascal :/ [17:47] chesedo: they *could* have saved money by using lazarus + free pascal [17:48] ah, wait the money is in retraining teachers [17:48] or just go with Python [17:48] whose idea was it to go Delphi? what is ZA's affinity with Delphi? [17:49] well it seems that my original ranting was premature... [17:51] If I had to venture I guess I'd say that they couldn't find anyone who both knows java and is willing to take a lowly teacher salary [17:51] aw [17:51] before they jumped to Java pascal was what schools used, there are a bunch of "teacher level" people around who know enough pascal to pretend they are teaching people but not enough to be a programmer [17:52] ah I see MaNI [17:52] so going back to Delphi means they may actually be able to find some teachers as opposed to no teachers at all [17:52] (but just a guess) [17:54] * chesedo cannot find a version of that article with the comment restored [17:54] I don't personally believe that people in the early stages of learning programming should go near UI at all, they should have just stuck to pascal - which was anyway originally intended to be a good language for teaching [17:55] MaNI: for your FET phase (grade 10-12) i remember working in the gui a lot [17:56] last year and a half was focused on OOP [17:56] when I was in grade 10-12 (in the US) we just did Turbo Pascal [18:00] yeah was only TP for us also [18:06] chesedo: when's the meeting? [18:06] (in relative time) [18:06] superfly: in 24mins [18:06] phew, OK, I didn't miss it [18:06] and hi, how goes superfly [18:07] hey chesedo, I'm doing well thanks. [18:07] * chesedo just finished preparing for it [18:07] woohoo hi superfly im still awake but ready to doze [18:07] haha [18:07] SugarHigh and MaNI: did you goes do version 7? [18:08] I don't remember, I think it was under 5 [18:08] Kilos: you can't doze now, it's only 11:08! :-P [18:08] hahaha [18:09] freezing and dark here man [18:09] wiki mentions its last version (version 7) as also being know as Borland Pascal which is the 2003 version i mentioned [18:09] all good superfly ? [18:09] Kilos: yes, yes [18:09] yeah I can't honestly remember what version we were on [18:09] great [18:09] chesedo: I still have my original Turbo Pascal 7 stiffy disks. Even moving across the world wasn't going to stop me from keeping them [18:10] I learnt pascal/delphi at home from my father while I was still in primary school as well - so it's a blur which version I was using where [18:10] it was probably 7 [18:11] * chesedo now wonders if our progressive school system is still on 7 too [18:11] Just remember... the guy who made Turbo Pascal and Delphi went on to create C# and .NET [18:11] honestly it would be sufficient, at a school level I think teaching some of the basic logic constructs is far more important than being on the leatest and greatest [18:12] Python is a much better teaching tool [18:12] as I said before letting beginners anywhere near a UI is actually a giant mistake [18:12] ^^ exactly [18:13] in the middle east, they teach recursive functions at grade 7 and also not GUIs allowed if irc [18:13] s/not/no/ [18:14] sounds right [18:15] MaNI: by "basic logic constructs", do you mean some basic boolean logic too? [18:15] From the Wikipedia page on Turbo Pascal: Bill Gates saw the success of Turbo Pascal "in very personal terms, and 'couldn't understand why [Microsoft's] stuff was so slow. He would bring in poor Greg Whitten [programming director of Microsoft languages] and yell at him for half an hour.' He couldn't understand why Kahn had been able to beat an established competitor like Microsoft." [18:15] lol [18:16] The only reason .NET is any good is because Microsoft (literally) bought the guy who wrote Turbo Pascal and Delphi. [18:19] Was mostly thinking just your general - while loops, switch statements, recursion and so on mostly. [18:19] MaNI: right... [18:19] I'd love to see discrete math and/or formal logic be school subjects in place of some of the other less useful stuff that is tought, but thats a whole other subject ;) [18:20] *taught [18:20] MaNI: do you think discrete math and formal logic should replace calculus in high schools?? [18:22] I think there is a good argument for it, especially formal logic. I think a proper grasp of formal logic would equip the average person to deal with all sorts of things that life requires in a better way, including seeing through the simple tricks that politicians tend to use to manipulate them. [18:22] :D [18:22] yes, my country could use a healthy dose of that [18:23] https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ - we should be indoctrinating all children with this sort of stuff - hehe [18:28] MaNI: with the use of social media (and vast sharing of opinions) in the next gen, i would think that it would be very important [18:29] * chesedo puts his racing fingers on [18:30] Maaz: start meeting about Ubuntu Monthly Meeting - August 2017 [18:30] * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles [18:30] Maaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction [18:30] Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction [18:30] Welcome all and thank you for joining in on our 'renewed' monthly meeting [18:30] As usual, our bot maaz does the minutes, so please introduce yourself to it using `Maaz: I am ` eg. [18:30] Maaz: I am Pieter Engelbrecht [18:30] chesedo: Alrighty [18:31] Maaz I am Miles Sharpe [18:31] Kilos: Sure [18:31] inetpro Kilos superfly MaNI SugarHigh theblazehen paddatrapper londoner ^ [18:31] chesedo: thanks [18:31] Maaz: I am Kyle Robbertze [18:31] paddatrapper: Sure [18:31] paddatrapper: np [18:31] Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman [18:31] superfly: Righto [18:31] Maaz: I am Paul Romano [18:31] londoner: Alrighty [18:32] hi londoner and everyone else [18:32] psychicist: you might wanna join too [18:32] Today's agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20170822 [18:32] nag them all chesedo [18:32] Any last minute additions are welcome [18:32] Kilos: i will have to find my nagger first... :P [18:33] Maaz: agreed All happy with agenda [18:33] Agreed: All happy with agenda [18:33] Maaz: topic Review minutes of previous meeting [18:33] Current Topic: Review minutes of previous meeting [18:33] previous meeting minutes is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20170523 [18:33] sjoe been ages since the last meeting [18:33] I will try to be as quick today too :D [18:33] superfly: yeah we kinda forgot the last couple... [18:34] superfly: yip, we've been missing [18:34] "forgot" [18:34] Maaz: agreed All happy with previous minutes [18:34] Agreed: All happy with previous minutes [18:34] Maaz: topic Next Steps [18:34] Current Topic: Next Steps [18:34] i been sleeping too [18:34] Anyone needing help on any next steps activities? [18:35] * inetpro \o/ [18:35] Maaz I am Gustav H Meyer [18:35] inetpro: Sure [18:35] hello everybody [18:35] lo pro [18:35] aka: trello, launchpad IDs, mailing list, etc [18:35] Maaz: agreed No new Next Steps [18:35] Agreed: No new Next Steps [18:36] Maaz: topic Events [18:36] Current Topic: Events [18:36] I need to kinda "hand over" the mantle of the website to someone, or someoneS preferably [18:36] upcoming events for the next month are: [18:36] - Deep Learning Indaba: 11-15 September 2017 (Johannesburg) -> http://www.deeplearningindaba.com/ [18:36] that does look interesting... Pitty it's in Joberg [18:36] superfly: right, will cover under Misc... [18:36] chesedo: ack [18:37] Is anyone organising anything else or knows of any other upcoming events? [18:37] pyconZA is first week of October, still a while [18:38] paddatrapper: the same one as here -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/UpcomingEvents [18:38] *? [18:38] chesedo: that's the one [18:38] * chesedo have been forgotting to update that too [18:38] paddatrapper: awesome [18:39] Maaz: agreed No other events to add [18:39] Agreed: No other events to add [18:39] Maaz: topic Miscellaneous [18:39] Current Topic: Miscellaneous [18:39] superfly: syn [18:40] i have not taken another look at the ubuntu edu project since exams [18:40] Right, so I'm on the other side of the world now, and it makes it difficult to co-ordinate with people, so I'm looking for volunteers to take over the website. [18:40] nor know of any Ubuntu-for-Hope updates [18:41] superfly: were is it currently at? [18:41] hardware wise? [18:41] I don't think there's a need to rush into moving the site [18:42] unless someone is willing to host and maintain it for us for free [18:42] take over as in maintain or move superfly [18:42] at least it is static - so light weight... [18:43] Kilos: maintain it [18:44] there you go inetpro [18:44] ty superfly [18:44] superfly: that would be just the bazaar branch right? [18:44] chesedo: it's currently hosted on a box at FrogFoot because it's the same box that hosts the CLUG website. tumbleweed organised it all. [18:45] superfly: what does maintain currently involve? [18:45] chesedo: essentially yes. but sorting out hosting would probably also be good (I don't mind hosting it on a VPS of mine), and getting some sort of "control" over the domain name itself (Canonical I think owns the domain name and controls the DNS, so we'd need to talk to them if we move the hosting) [18:45] copying over changes to the box? [18:46] chesedo: checking merge proposals on LP, deploying to the box [18:46] making sure information on the site is up to date, etc [18:46] paddatrapper and inetpro: you game? [18:46] can that deploy not be automated using a webhook to something? [18:46] * chesedo can be one of the volunteers too [18:46] chesedo: Not currently, sorry [18:47] paddatrapper: np [18:47] chesedo: between you and me I'm sure we can handle it [18:47] superfly: pro and i are it :D [18:48] cool [18:48] ty superfly for looking after us for so long [18:48] yip, ty superfly [18:49] I'm happy to still be around, I just don't have the time to spend on the site (and I'm in the wrong timezone) [18:50] then last misc, the mini meetings have also gone stale... did you guys find it helpful/interesting? [18:51] superfly: we don't keep doom in the chan so that you can stay around :P [18:51] superdoom isnt strong enough [18:51] hes a tough bug [18:51] lol, that too [18:52] Maaz: I am Pavel Sayekat [18:52] pavlushka: Alrighty [18:52] hi pavlushka [18:52] o/ [18:52] chesedo: I'm sorry, you're not getting rid of me! :-P [18:52] ;) [18:52] dont you dare think of leaving superfly [18:52] ever ever ever [18:52] Kilos: I won't ever [18:53] Maaz: agreed Mini meetings are dead for now [18:53] Agreed: Mini meetings are dead for now [18:53] Maaz: topic Next meeting [18:53] Current Topic: Next meeting [18:53] Maaz: agreed Next meeting is 26 September 2017 @ 20:30 [18:53] Agreed: Next meeting is 26 September 2017 @ 20:30 [18:53] Maaz: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting [18:53] Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting [18:53] any oldies game for next chair? [18:54] * chesedo is available too [18:54] i would like to thank the young guys for stepping up and doing so much for us [18:54] * inetpro will skip [18:54] and inetpro for always being there [18:54] inetpro: i will just have to arrange for Oct... exams again... [18:54] * inetpro still has too much to catch up with at work [18:55] I _should_ be free [18:55] inetpro: np, wil see to find someone in next one then [18:55] ty paddatrapper, will remember [18:55] paddatrapper: \o/ [18:55] all good if i take Sept then [18:55] yip [18:56] cool [18:56] Maaz: agreed chesedo to chair next meeting [18:56] Agreed: chesedo to chair next meeting [18:56] Maaz: end meeting [18:56] Meeting Ended [18:56] Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-08-22-18-30-05.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-08-22-18-30-05.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-08-22-18-30-05.html [18:56] thanks chesedo [18:56] oh, and thank you all for attending [18:56] yw inetpro [18:56] thank you chesedo and all attendees [18:56] Good day everyone :) [18:58] night pavlushka [18:58] night chesedo :) [18:58] ok guys be good [18:58] night all . sleep tight [18:59] thanks everyone [18:59] ja well, night all too [18:59] Kilos: night [18:59] night frogboots [18:59] rest well and work hard all of you [18:59] * pavlushka thinks so day was wrong ^^ [18:59] night superfly or happy lunch time [19:00] * pavlushka meant the whole day though [19:00] pavlushka normally when we greet at night we say good evening [19:00] and good night for going to bed [19:01] good day is a good greeting as well [19:01] Kilos: I was bading farewel actually :( [19:01] o/ [19:01] if you say hi then there cant be mistakes [19:01] aha ok pavlushka [19:02] night guys [19:03] superfly: I wish eggs on your lunch. [19:03] superfly: or I wish you eggs on your lunch. [19:04] and every one a pro night :p [19:37] Sorry, /me was driving