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 Welcome, Daniel!
 @jsalatas, Well correct solution here it is to drop the package entirely, Google already provides the emulator and also I don't think android emulator have anything to do with Yunit or UBports
 @bhushanshah, In either case we need to have a clear decision about it. Answers like "it is good to have", "we may need it in the future" don't help much :\
 So until such a clear decision is reached I'll see what I can do about it
 With Halium hat on I can surely say that it's good to have emulator but whatever is in archive is not useful at all
 If someone ports halium to goldfish environment, emulator will be downloaded from the Google directly and not the Ubuntu archive
 @UniversalSuperBox, a container /is/ a chroot.
 just with some unshare() calls before the chroot() call.
 @jcjordyn120, IMO, chroot is dumb container
 😛
 @bhushanshah, a chroot just contains the filesystem :3
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 @bhushanshah, So, I'm not doing anything about it and ask ubuntu to completely drop it?
 pretty much yes
 https://packages.ubuntu.com/zesty/all/android/filelist This are the files that will be generally provided by the ubports system-image server
 Now that Canonical have dropped ubuntu touch this package serves no purpose
 OK. Ubuntu should drop it. The question here is: do we need to maintain it? if so we need to fork it and fix the security issues.
 no
 This package is not used by UBports or Yunit at all
 OK. So we let it die. @UniversalSuperBox, @mariogrip are you ok with it?
 @jsalatas, Not so fast
 :P
 It's still in several stable Ubuntu releases
 Is it going to get fixes from you guys?
 I'm all cool with dropping it from the development release, but there's that...
 @tsimonq2, If we don't need it, I doubt that someone will fix it :\
 @tsimonq2, It's also available in Zesty... sigh
 and artful..
 >_<
 @bhushanshah, I guess it will be dropped in artful
 @exar_kun, Thank you. Hello everybody
[07:38] <tgBot> Konrad_Fichtner was added by: Konrad_Fichtner
 Welcome :)
 Good Morning from #gamescom
 I am here if someone wants a meet&greet until Sar
 Sat
 @tsimonq2, That would be a decision Ubuntu has to take themselves. Of course we can say that we don't need it and don't want to maintain it. UBports and Yunit both have enough to do as it is, we don't need to develop something just for the heck of it
 No one at gamescom? Sad 😟
 @Flohack, Enjoy! Would have loved to go...
 @neothethird, But that's not 100% your decision either I think :P … Look, I went to John because I was concerned about the security of src:android in Ubuntu. What you guys decide to do with that is beyond me.
 I know at least one person from KDE community is at gamescon.. (it's not me)
 (Photo, 2560x1440) https://irc.ubports.com/x0rATP7y/file_260.jpg
 Can you see him 😂
 Lol
 Yesterday he spotted dalek case there.. 🤣
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/WRUOeoJ6/file_261.jpg
 That doesn't seem safe
 @neothethird, It's like the android emulator 😂
 Lol
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[08:31] <tgBot> <Big ET> Is now nexus4 supported? in the site it states experimental. what that means? Is the image using halium now?
 @bhushanshah, Just passed that case!
[09:40] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Dear core team, would not it be good idea to have one more new (pherhaps Aquaris X) device among the core supported devices from BQ? They had the courage to try it, their devices work well, their prices are more accessible, they have eshop - everybody can try with new device, not from eBay ,,,,
 that would have to be straight to Halium/16.04/snap though. anything else would mean porting all over again multiple time
 IIRC, there is already a guy porting Halium to a bq device
 and the core team is up to their elbows in work trying to do all that for the current devices afaik
 @TronFourtyTwo, I'm porting to an Aquaris U, but I currently have huge problems with the install script (I know, strange problem), and I think I'll change it to convert the images on the host system, because it otherwise randomly fails depending on which busybox version is used in TWRP. At least the phone boots into ubuntu already, but as I couldn't install the system.img, nothing else works (or has been tested)
 I wish the best for your work
 Thanks!
 Another thing which is slowing down my porting-progress is that this is my only device, so I often have to flash android back, which then encrypts the /data partition ant I have to format it and push the images again each time I want to continue working on it
 I'm currently building LineaeOS, I hope it doesn't encrypt /data like the stock ROM
[10:15] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @YougoChats, Yes Halium, that was the idea
[10:31] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> I thought we should not drop down also the "relation" build by Canonical. BQ it looks as open mind company, like Fairphone. Cheers.
[10:41] <tgBot> Jaume was added by: Jaume
 @Jaume, Welcome!
 Hi, thanks
 Hi, I'm sorry but Bq isn't a good partner. I have the X5 Plus and I'm very disappointed.
 Do anyone know if thr fingerprint's Pro 5 is functional in Ubuntu touch?
 A Nokia 8 with Ubuntu Touch would be nice :)
 To Ubuntu Touch I think will be good the Note 8.0 and 12.2 with the spen functionalities.
 @Jaume, What's the problem with it? I quite like the Aquaris U.
 @Jaume, On the other hand I'm happy with my BQ E4.5. I'm using it as my daily driver since May, 2015. First running Ubuntu and now UBports 👍
 @JBBgameich, I can make the payments with NFC. The camera only shoot good photos in good conditions, the Bluetooth is suck with headphones and the battery is only a day, not the Bq promise.
 I have to admit I never tried using a bluetooth headset with my BQ phone yet. But the camera isn't bad for a 180€ phone
 The X5 Plus cost 329€
 And I think is the same camera of yours.
 lol, Ok that's strange for such a difference in price ...
 Now you understand?? If it cost me around 150€-200€, i will be disappointed but not much.
 My apologies for my english, I have to practice.
 @Jaume, A faulty device or a bad designed model doesn't make trash all the BQ product line. Spanish consumer legislation is pretty good defending your rights, so if you are not happy with a product, change it or return it.
 In another way, somebody knows if the fingerprint's Meizu Pro 5 is functional in Ubuntu?
 And in Ubuntu, are there any app to make payment with the mobile?
 @Jaume, Your phone has an other camera than mine. The x5 Plus has 16MP and mine only 13.
 But the price difference is still huge
 Ok. But the X5 camera have to be better
 It's the price in Spain.
 @Jaume, Yes, It does work.
 at least in the canonical image
 Well, now the price down because the new Aquaris X and Aquaris X Pro. But in November was that price
 @LarreaMikel, Thanks👍
 @Jaume, Afaik no, no payment system available
 And the Meizu Pro 5 will be support with UBports?
 @LarreaMikel, That's one app which is necessary. And the sincronize with Apple, Google and Microsoft accounts. Good calendar and contacts app, email and notes with the reminders. Is the basic to get the phone.
 it is listed in the legacy devices list  … https://devices.ubports.com/#/
 Well I read that is possible in the future Ubuntu run Android apps, us it true?
 @Jaume, It is already supported
 👍
 @Jaume, in the future... the plan is to use anbox... we'll see
 I hope will be functional. Because OS looks nice. But it's difficult because don't have the means like Apple or Microsoft.
 @Jaume, Yes, it works well with the ubport image stable OTA-1.
 👍
 @Jaume, There's a solution https://ubports.com/page/vo-get-involved
[12:30] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @advocatux, Exactly and my point of view is more about new hardware and general availability for everybody
 Hello, can someone help me solving this bug ? … I have a BQ 4.5 with the official last canonical OTA, I still haven’t Ubports 😕. … My problem is that the keyboard disappeared, so I can’t LogIn in my phone, because I have to enter my password ! And now I really can’t do nothing at all… I can only see my Background image ! … Is there a way to unlock my device ? How can I get my keyboard back ?
 Have you tried reboot? You can use a physical keyboard throught OTG or a bluetooth one
 I have no physical keyboard with bluetooth and no OTG 😕
 If reboot= turn phone on/off, I have tried, but it doesn't help
[12:40] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> There is also reset hole
 @Alexander, I experienced that bug in Ubuntu several times as well but only once running UBports. The difference with UBports was that tapping in the area which should appear the keyboard, it returned. Try that or try to restart the phone.
 @Milan Korecky, Is it that little hole near the flash light? TIL
 @Milan Korecky, 👍
 Fwd from UniversalSuperBox: Compare … https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/contribute/bugreporting.html … and … https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/Writing-a-Good-Bug-Report
 Same content, one is much more readable. 😁
 @UniversalSuperBox, yeah but which one? 😂
 @Alexander, does the touch screen work? like slide away wthe circle, or pull down the top menu?
 @YougoChats, Yes, this works! I can swipe, then I see the "Text Bar", but the keyboard does not appear, there is only the emergency call bar on the bottom of the screen...
 sometimes i don't get a keyboard when filling a text box (like an internet form, or the URL bar in the browser) i get around this by sliding open the top menu partly, letting it go so it closes again, than tap the text input field again (effectively 'clicking away'from the app and back) which triggers the keyboard
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 the top menu also has an entry for keyboard settings. try tapping the gear icon so system settings is started in the background. it might trigger some keyboard related things in motion
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 Thank you! I tryed everything, but the keyboard isn't appeared 😕
 can you think back when this started? did you install something?
 Yes, I already was thinking about this, but there is nothing that can explain this: the phone worked very well, and I was using it, then afterwards, when I wanted to use my phone I couldn't put my password (=there was no reboot) … But I already got the keyboard problem twice (see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1579589 ), but I always solved it with resetting the phone... The problem is that with the "new" password e
[13:04] <tgBot> system there is the keyboard (before it was different)
 Now I noticed something else ! The "Indicator-Network" does not work! There is only the wheel symbol (and not the wifi/SIM ...) and nothing down!
 sounds to me your entire install is going wonky😔
 @Flohack does MDT backup function work though recovery mode?
 (might be a while, he's enjoying himself at gamescon)
 In March there was a discussion of this keyboard bug in the LP mailing-list; one of the hints was: typing the unlock numbers without seeing the keyboard and than changing the unlock just to 'slide' and back to PIN; someone said also that this bug is triggered by a full user partition; HIH, Matthias
 I was thinking the same ;) Thank you very much for the help !
 @gurucubano, hoping your password is n't a long one :-/
 @gurucubano, It doesn't work for me 😕
 No, it's a "PIN" password, and it should be easy to type, it's "1515" (If you want to access to my phone now you can 😁)
 I could send you a screen with the num keyboard on it, you make a print of it and mark on your display wher the ! and 5 is
 thanks for the info, Jakob!
 @gurucubano, Oh, yes please! Thank you! I will try like that!
 @Alexander, It is not true! The hole behind your phone is not a reset button! That's a microphone.. If you want to reset your phone try to hold the power button for 15 seconds.
 And did you try to tap where you must write?
 Yes, I tried, but nothing more happens 😕 You can see the blue line (I don't know how to call it, it's the "l" that appears and disappears to signalate where you have to type, do you understand? ) and it only disappears completely if I slide the top menu ...
 @Alexander, It's called the cursor too
 Thank you! So I see the cursor, and if I long click I can Select All or Paste, but there is nothing to select or paste
 BTW, if one were to try reinstalling the keyboard, does click have any mechanism similar to an apt clear && apt install --reinstall , or the dpkg-reconfigure command ?
 I don't have the answer to your click reainstall question, but the system partition is read only, and since he can't unlock his phone, the point is a bit moot
 even adb is blocked by the lock screen
 i don't know how much one can do with adb or fastboot via recovery or fastboot mode
 So no Bluetooth keyboard either? Ouch...  Sorry, I didn't notice the previous messages in the thread. Didn't know...
 only chance to unlock the phone seems to be attaching an OTG keyboard because that doesn't need configuring
 But if it's needed maybe I can find one... (I am in Vienna, so maybe @Flohack has one and can help ?) But do you have some settings to do or do you plug it simply in and it works?
 My Bluetooth peripherals just need a few button taps to get paired and working.
 But can you do it without unlocking the phone ?
 Oops... I forgot. Those were in the 'remember' list , so it worked from the lock screen
 K. I'm gonna keep quiet now haha. Good luck Alex, :)
 I searched in the Internet to know what a OTG is and I discovered what it is and I have one at home and I plugged a keyboard and it works!!! So now I unlocked my device 🎉🎉🎉 Thank you to veryone!!!  … Now, do someone know how to make the keyboard reappear?
 Well, I noticed that also the Utorch app is automatically been uninstalled... It makes a lot of problems, maybe I will simply install Ubports 😉
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/p8xGd9fM/giphy.mp4
 Thanks to this comand I was able to have my network indicator back! I put it here, so if someone has this problem he will have the solution: … rm .config/connectivity-service/config.ini.lock … Do someone know how to reactivate the keyboard? Can someone help me?
 @Alexander, Have you tried everything suggested here? … (Try to reset the phone)
 Yes, I will copy my files before 😉
[15:56] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> I am sorry, it is noice canceling micro. I was wrong.
[15:56] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Fwd from andreasimonetti: It is not true! The hole behind your phone is not a reset button! That's a microphone.. If you want to reset your phone try to hold the power button for 15 seconds.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/ez5tZ8Wr/file_262.mp4
 oMg i kiLLeD My pHoNe sTaBBing A nEEdLe in that hole!!!
 kidding
 @LarreaMikel, how hard is this to fix?  it would seem like this wil be a critical app.  at least some bitcoin payment system would be smart..
 😁
 ... Do we even have a list of 'nice to have' and 'must haves' with upvote/downvote feature?  This would be pretty cool.... wouldn't it?  How do we know we are developing for the right things right away?
 This keyboard is very cheap and works fine.. Is wireless
 (Photo, 2560x1440) https://irc.ubports.com/qFWCego7/file_263.jpg
 @wayneoutthere, Yeah a wish list where people can upvote, sponsor, and collaborate
[16:29] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @advocatux, Nice very nice, ok I will ve more restrained with my advices 😇
 😂
 @neothethird, Hi Sorry was that for me?
 Yes my N5 has been acting up. Automatically identifies items as touch
 I think it may be the phone. Have to test to see if it is a hardware iss
 So I have not been able to use my N5
 @advocatux, cool.  what do we call such a list?  Feature?  no.. apps?  no... wish list?  I've got a quick idea
 Just need a quick name...
 @Alexander, Hey Im in Cologne right niw xd
 @wayneoutthere, Pymwymi (Put your money where your mouth is) 😁
 not exactly.. that would be phase 2. I'll call it 'features and functions' for now
 or faf (faff?) for short 😋
 Maybe they'll get that pun in UK only
 HERE.  FEATURE AND FUNCTIONS QUICKLIST: … https://papad.org/p/ubports_features_and_functions_quicklist … fOR FUN AND ARGUMENTS
 @wayneoutthere, Hmm for the core apps we got some ideas as enhancement tag in github trackers
 Also in the forum there has been a thread...
 @Flohack, forum!  i used those in 1999! fun times
 I'll go take a trip down memory lane...
 @wayneoutthere, Do that our forum is lightweight, easy to use andno ads!
 thanks
[18:17] <Sander^home> Hi. Is this ubuntu phone os irc channel?
[18:19] <Sander^home> My stock E4.5 just went totally black. wondering if theres any shortcuts to reset it?
 @Sander^home, Hmm are you sure its not jut the battery which went empty?
 You can try to hook it on charger and then do a really long press on the power button
[18:24] <Sander^home> It might be empty on battery. Is there a process to get it back from totally flat? No light indicating. JUst charging more maybe?
 @Sander^home, Yes it is ;)
 yeah give it some time maybe
[18:26] <Sander^home> looks like the screen got shut off instantly.. couse its abit blurry
[18:27] <Sander^home> maybe the order of which its stopped on power down needs to be changed or something. I think it was a software error on the iphone too.
[18:57] <Sander^home> Long press power dosnt look to help it
[18:59] <Sander^home> is there a way to order a new one?
[19:00] <Sander^home> I do want a new one anyway if the old one works or not:)
 @Sander^home, It isn't easy to get a BQ E4.5 Ubuntu Edition but it's easier to get one of these core devices https://devices.ubports.com/#/
 @wayneoutthere, Probably the payment app would need of NFC chip... and a bank that develops an app for UT...
 @wayneoutthere, The uApp explorer (@bhdouglass ) used to have a desired app list, where you could vote for an app and more... but I can not find it right now.
 @LarreaMikel, Also is better to strengthen the phone (security bugs, whole encryption, etc) before doing that kind of stuff
 yep... And as the banks say that their apps won't work in rooted mobiles...
 @LarreaMikel, No bank will develop a payment system for UT as long as we do not implement "security features" like fully signed/trusted OS and Apps. Their code is so lousy that otherwise they cant guarantee its safe
 @LarreaMikel, I've to study the current situation it but I remember there was some movement in the EU to legislate banks api and the like.
 @advocatux, if that means open api... hehe, hard to believe. … I'd go further and say that no bank will create an ap for UT, ever.
 https://ec.europa.eu/info/business-economy-euro/banking-and-finance/consumer-finance-and-payments/payment-services/payment-services_en … Gosh how can anyone be a lawyer willingly 😆
 on Android and iOs...
 and the device should be certified, probabily
 @mimecar, My PC at home is also not certified and yet I can manage my account & transfer money. So whats the point
 An SSL-enabled browser is all that it takes
 if you need an API, then is not direct
 @LarreaMikel, I don't think that any bank should be involved with UT. I guess banks have some public APIs for these stuff so we need to implement these. The certified devices I believe have to do with the cryptographic capabilities that they should contain and nothing more (maybe related to a secure RNG or something).
 Disclaimer: I'm just thinking out loud :)
 @Flohack, One thing is to operate via browser, and other thing is to make payments with the mobile instead of with a credit card.
 That's what I mean with payment apps.
 I think that a web page of the bank may be the solution for this OS.
 Is it hard to port Ubports to new phones?
 @jackmi95, Bottom line: yes.
 The new direction the EU is going is the so called "open banking" or "global open API ecosystem". … That means all kind of third parties accessing your bank data. I don't know how this will mix with data protection laws. … The "Revised Payment Service Directive (PSD2)" is enforceable next year.
 @advocatux, Does it include any end user device requirements?
 @jsalatas, I don't know but I'll study it
 @advocatux, If you are planning to do so just note any cryptographic requirements. I guess this is the key point here
 👍
 @advocatux, that has been happening for a while now. the Dutch govenment has a better view on my yearly income than i do
 @YougoChats, That's the first phase (PSD1). The new one is "more intense" for clients
 i wonder why i still have to file my own taxes. every mistake i might make is pointed out to me afterwards. if they already have that intel, then what am i doing?
 @YougoChats, The governments use this t con
 concienciate you
 great. now i have to look up a word :P
[20:00] <Sander^home> Flohack: do you know any other reason how to get E4.5 power cycled during black repeated screen?
[20:01] <Sander^home> actually... Its more like the ubuntu color screen almost like repeated black.
[20:04] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> By the way, this would be nice core app for UT: http://parnold-x.github.io/nasc/
 @Sander^home : I got a problem with black screen on my BQ 4.5 in 2015! I contacted BQ, that was my problem: …  I wanted to turn the phone on, but it didn't reactedat all. So I have tried to put it to charge and I have seen that instead of having the green/red led turned on showing it is charging, there is nothing … That's BQs solution (it worked!): … - Try a different charger during 30 minutes and turn the device on by pressing the power butto
[20:07] <tgBot> seconds. … - Try to charge your device by connecting it to your computer using a USB cable during 30 minutes and turn it on by pressing the power button during 30 seconds.
 😡 Nexus 5 random screen glitches. Not a Ubports bug but seems to be a hardware issue or something.. Three smartphones out of action.. 😞
 Suppoese the S4 is usable with its cracked screen, been using it like that for over a year
 s
 yeah my nexus 4 is out of commission. I have a Nexus 5x and wanting to use with UTouch
 I also tried to port UT to Z3 no success, but I haven't had much time to be honest. SO maybe should try again and get rid of some of the odler non-working phones
 @LarreaMikel, That was removed after canonical dropped UT, it seemed to not be useful anymore. And it really needed to be transformed into something better if it was to continue.
 ah, ok! ;)
[20:45] <Sander^home> alexander: looks like it worked to powercycle it for 30 sec after charging it in the pc outlet:) Thanks:)
[20:51] <Sander^home> How does the telegram group work?
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 @Sander^home, You can join it at https://t.me/ubports
 That's for you, Sander^home
 @Milan Korecky, Bq is very closed, we don't even have the sources for the currently supported devices. No way of porting it to others w/o an open device tree
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/cQfVz7m9/file_264.jpg Flash...
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