[00:25] Project daily-hammerhead build #297: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-hammerhead/297/ [00:27] Project ota-push build #895: SUCCESS in 1 min 56 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/895/ [03:33] Daniel was added by: Daniel [03:42] Welcome, Daniel! [04:00] @jsalatas, Well correct solution here it is to drop the package entirely, Google already provides the emulator and also I don't think android emulator have anything to do with Yunit or UBports [04:03] @bhushanshah, In either case we need to have a clear decision about it. Answers like "it is good to have", "we may need it in the future" don't help much :\ [04:04] So until such a clear decision is reached I'll see what I can do about it [04:11] With Halium hat on I can surely say that it's good to have emulator but whatever is in archive is not useful at all [04:12] If someone ports halium to goldfish environment, emulator will be downloaded from the Google directly and not the Ubuntu archive [04:13] @UniversalSuperBox, a container /is/ a chroot. [04:13] just with some unshare() calls before the chroot() call. [04:16] @jcjordyn120, IMO, chroot is dumb container [04:16] 😛 [04:16] @bhushanshah, a chroot just contains the filesystem :3 [04:27] Project vivid-rootfs-armhf build #103: SUCCESS in 9.5 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/vivid-rootfs-armhf/103/ [04:27] Project ota-push build #896: SUCCESS in 0.46 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/896/ [04:29] @bhushanshah, So, I'm not doing anything about it and ask ubuntu to completely drop it? [04:30] pretty much yes [04:32] https://packages.ubuntu.com/zesty/all/android/filelist This are the files that will be generally provided by the ubports system-image server [04:32] Now that Canonical have dropped ubuntu touch this package serves no purpose [04:34] OK. Ubuntu should drop it. The question here is: do we need to maintain it? if so we need to fork it and fix the security issues. [04:34] no [04:35] This package is not used by UBports or Yunit at all [04:35] OK. So we let it die. @UniversalSuperBox, @mariogrip are you ok with it? [05:01] @jsalatas, Not so fast [05:02] :P [05:02] It's still in several stable Ubuntu releases [05:02] Is it going to get fixes from you guys? [05:02] I'm all cool with dropping it from the development release, but there's that... [05:07] @tsimonq2, If we don't need it, I doubt that someone will fix it :\ [05:09] @tsimonq2, It's also available in Zesty... sigh [05:09] and artful.. [05:09] >_< [05:09] @bhushanshah, I guess it will be dropped in artful === DavidW is now known as Guest16596 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [07:24] @exar_kun, Thank you. Hello everybody [07:38] Konrad_Fichtner was added by: Konrad_Fichtner [07:41] Welcome :) [07:42] Good Morning from #gamescom [07:43] I am here if someone wants a meet&greet until Sar [07:43] Sat [07:45] @tsimonq2, That would be a decision Ubuntu has to take themselves. Of course we can say that we don't need it and don't want to maintain it. UBports and Yunit both have enough to do as it is, we don't need to develop something just for the heck of it [07:45] No one at gamescom? Sad 😟 [07:45] @Flohack, Enjoy! Would have loved to go... [07:46] @neothethird, But that's not 100% your decision either I think :P … Look, I went to John because I was concerned about the security of src:android in Ubuntu. What you guys decide to do with that is beyond me. [07:46] I know at least one person from KDE community is at gamescon.. (it's not me) [07:48] (Photo, 2560x1440) https://irc.ubports.com/x0rATP7y/file_260.jpg [07:48] Can you see him 😂 [07:49] Lol [07:50] Yesterday he spotted dalek case there.. 🤣 [07:51] (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/WRUOeoJ6/file_261.jpg [07:55] That doesn't seem safe [07:56] @neothethird, It's like the android emulator 😂 [07:56] Lol [08:23] Project daily-fp2 build #316: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-fp2/316/ [08:24] Project ota-push build #897: SUCCESS in 1 min 12 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/897/ [08:31] Is now nexus4 supported? in the site it states experimental. what that means? Is the image using halium now? [08:47] @bhushanshah, Just passed that case! [09:40] Dear core team, would not it be good idea to have one more new (pherhaps Aquaris X) device among the core supported devices from BQ? They had the courage to try it, their devices work well, their prices are more accessible, they have eshop - everybody can try with new device, not from eBay ,,,, [09:50] that would have to be straight to Halium/16.04/snap though. anything else would mean porting all over again multiple time [09:51] IIRC, there is already a guy porting Halium to a bq device [09:51] and the core team is up to their elbows in work trying to do all that for the current devices afaik [09:54] @TronFourtyTwo, I'm porting to an Aquaris U, but I currently have huge problems with the install script (I know, strange problem), and I think I'll change it to convert the images on the host system, because it otherwise randomly fails depending on which busybox version is used in TWRP. At least the phone boots into ubuntu already, but as I couldn't install the system.img, nothing else works (or has been tested) [09:55] I wish the best for your work [09:55] Thanks! [09:56] Another thing which is slowing down my porting-progress is that this is my only device, so I often have to flash android back, which then encrypts the /data partition ant I have to format it and push the images again each time I want to continue working on it [09:58] I'm currently building LineaeOS, I hope it doesn't encrypt /data like the stock ROM [10:15] @YougoChats, Yes Halium, that was the idea [10:31] I thought we should not drop down also the "relation" build by Canonical. BQ it looks as open mind company, like Fairphone. Cheers. [10:41] Jaume was added by: Jaume [10:44] @Jaume, Welcome! [10:45] Hi, thanks [10:45] Hi, I'm sorry but Bq isn't a good partner. I have the X5 Plus and I'm very disappointed. [10:46] Do anyone know if thr fingerprint's Pro 5 is functional in Ubuntu touch? [10:46] A Nokia 8 with Ubuntu Touch would be nice :) [10:49] To Ubuntu Touch I think will be good the Note 8.0 and 12.2 with the spen functionalities. [10:49] @Jaume, What's the problem with it? I quite like the Aquaris U. [10:49] @Jaume, On the other hand I'm happy with my BQ E4.5. I'm using it as my daily driver since May, 2015. First running Ubuntu and now UBports 👍 [10:52] @JBBgameich, I can make the payments with NFC. The camera only shoot good photos in good conditions, the Bluetooth is suck with headphones and the battery is only a day, not the Bq promise. [10:53] I have to admit I never tried using a bluetooth headset with my BQ phone yet. But the camera isn't bad for a 180€ phone [10:54] The X5 Plus cost 329€ [10:54] And I think is the same camera of yours. [10:55] lol, Ok that's strange for such a difference in price ... [10:55] Now you understand?? If it cost me around 150€-200€, i will be disappointed but not much. [10:56] My apologies for my english, I have to practice. [10:57] @Jaume, A faulty device or a bad designed model doesn't make trash all the BQ product line. Spanish consumer legislation is pretty good defending your rights, so if you are not happy with a product, change it or return it. [10:57] In another way, somebody knows if the fingerprint's Meizu Pro 5 is functional in Ubuntu? [10:57] And in Ubuntu, are there any app to make payment with the mobile? [10:58] @Jaume, Your phone has an other camera than mine. The x5 Plus has 16MP and mine only 13. [10:59] But the price difference is still huge [10:59] Ok. But the X5 camera have to be better [11:00] It's the price in Spain. [11:01] @Jaume, Yes, It does work. [11:02] at least in the canonical image [11:02] Well, now the price down because the new Aquaris X and Aquaris X Pro. But in November was that price [11:02] @LarreaMikel, Thanks👍 [11:03] @Jaume, Afaik no, no payment system available [11:03] And the Meizu Pro 5 will be support with UBports? [11:07] @LarreaMikel, That's one app which is necessary. And the sincronize with Apple, Google and Microsoft accounts. Good calendar and contacts app, email and notes with the reminders. Is the basic to get the phone. [11:07] it is listed in the legacy devices list … https://devices.ubports.com/#/ [11:07] Well I read that is possible in the future Ubuntu run Android apps, us it true? [11:08] @Jaume, It is already supported [11:08] 👍 [11:09] @Jaume, in the future... the plan is to use anbox... we'll see [11:19] I hope will be functional. Because OS looks nice. But it's difficult because don't have the means like Apple or Microsoft. [11:23] @Jaume, Yes, it works well with the ubport image stable OTA-1. [11:24] 👍 [11:37] @Jaume, There's a solution https://ubports.com/page/vo-get-involved [12:30] @advocatux, Exactly and my point of view is more about new hardware and general availability for everybody [12:36] Hello, can someone help me solving this bug ? … I have a BQ 4.5 with the official last canonical OTA, I still haven’t Ubports 😕. … My problem is that the keyboard disappeared, so I can’t LogIn in my phone, because I have to enter my password ! And now I really can’t do nothing at all… I can only see my Background image ! … Is there a way to unlock my device ? How can I get my keyboard back ? [12:38] Have you tried reboot? You can use a physical keyboard throught OTG or a bluetooth one [12:39] I have no physical keyboard with bluetooth and no OTG 😕 [12:40] If reboot= turn phone on/off, I have tried, but it doesn't help [12:40] There is also reset hole [12:41] @Alexander, I experienced that bug in Ubuntu several times as well but only once running UBports. The difference with UBports was that tapping in the area which should appear the keyboard, it returned. Try that or try to restart the phone. [12:43] @Milan Korecky, Is it that little hole near the flash light? TIL [12:45] @Milan Korecky, 👍 [12:45] Fwd from UniversalSuperBox: Compare … https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/contribute/bugreporting.html … and … https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/Writing-a-Good-Bug-Report [12:46] Same content, one is much more readable. 😁 [12:47] @UniversalSuperBox, yeah but which one? 😂 [12:47] @Alexander, does the touch screen work? like slide away wthe circle, or pull down the top menu? [12:49] @YougoChats, Yes, this works! I can swipe, then I see the "Text Bar", but the keyboard does not appear, there is only the emergency call bar on the bottom of the screen... [12:53] sometimes i don't get a keyboard when filling a text box (like an internet form, or the URL bar in the browser) i get around this by sliding open the top menu partly, letting it go so it closes again, than tap the text input field again (effectively 'clicking away'from the app and back) which triggers the keyboard [12:55] Project daily-mako build #91: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-mako/91/ [12:55] the top menu also has an entry for keyboard settings. try tapping the gear icon so system settings is started in the background. it might trigger some keyboard related things in motion [12:56] Project ota-push build #898: SUCCESS in 53 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/898/ [12:57] Thank you! I tryed everything, but the keyboard isn't appeared 😕 [12:59] can you think back when this started? did you install something? [13:04] Yes, I already was thinking about this, but there is nothing that can explain this: the phone worked very well, and I was using it, then afterwards, when I wanted to use my phone I couldn't put my password (=there was no reboot) … But I already got the keyboard problem twice (see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1579589 ), but I always solved it with resetting the phone... The problem is that with the "new" password e [13:04] Ubuntu bug 1579589 in ubuntu-keyboard (Ubuntu) "Keyboard is disappeared on ubuntu touch" [Undecided,New] [13:04] system there is the keyboard (before it was different) [13:06] Now I noticed something else ! The "Indicator-Network" does not work! There is only the wheel symbol (and not the wifi/SIM ...) and nothing down! [13:07] sounds to me your entire install is going wonky😔 [13:07] @Flohack does MDT backup function work though recovery mode? [13:10] (might be a while, he's enjoying himself at gamescon) [13:12] In March there was a discussion of this keyboard bug in the LP mailing-list; one of the hints was: typing the unlock numbers without seeing the keyboard and than changing the unlock just to 'slide' and back to PIN; someone said also that this bug is triggered by a full user partition; HIH, Matthias [13:12] I was thinking the same ;) Thank you very much for the help ! [13:14] @gurucubano, hoping your password is n't a long one :-/ [13:14] @gurucubano, It doesn't work for me 😕 [13:16] No, it's a "PIN" password, and it should be easy to type, it's "1515" (If you want to access to my phone now you can 😁) [13:20] I could send you a screen with the num keyboard on it, you make a print of it and mark on your display wher the ! and 5 is [13:21] thanks for the info, Jakob! [13:21] @gurucubano, Oh, yes please! Thank you! I will try like that! [14:27] @Alexander, It is not true! The hole behind your phone is not a reset button! That's a microphone.. If you want to reset your phone try to hold the power button for 15 seconds. [14:28] And did you try to tap where you must write? [14:37] Yes, I tried, but nothing more happens 😕 You can see the blue line (I don't know how to call it, it's the "l" that appears and disappears to signalate where you have to type, do you understand? ) and it only disappears completely if I slide the top menu ... [14:40] @Alexander, It's called the cursor too [14:43] Thank you! So I see the cursor, and if I long click I can Select All or Paste, but there is nothing to select or paste [14:43] BTW, if one were to try reinstalling the keyboard, does click have any mechanism similar to an apt clear && apt install --reinstall , or the dpkg-reconfigure command ? [14:45] I don't have the answer to your click reainstall question, but the system partition is read only, and since he can't unlock his phone, the point is a bit moot [14:45] even adb is blocked by the lock screen [14:46] i don't know how much one can do with adb or fastboot via recovery or fastboot mode [14:47] So no Bluetooth keyboard either? Ouch... Sorry, I didn't notice the previous messages in the thread. Didn't know... [14:47] only chance to unlock the phone seems to be attaching an OTG keyboard because that doesn't need configuring [14:48] But if it's needed maybe I can find one... (I am in Vienna, so maybe @Flohack has one and can help ?) But do you have some settings to do or do you plug it simply in and it works? [14:50] My Bluetooth peripherals just need a few button taps to get paired and working. [14:50] But can you do it without unlocking the phone ? [14:51] Oops... I forgot. Those were in the 'remember' list , so it worked from the lock screen [14:52] K. I'm gonna keep quiet now haha. Good luck Alex, :) === cachio is now known as cachio_lunch [15:10] I searched in the Internet to know what a OTG is and I discovered what it is and I have one at home and I plugged a keyboard and it works!!! So now I unlocked my device 🎉🎉🎉 Thank you to veryone!!! … Now, do someone know how to make the keyboard reappear? [15:12] Well, I noticed that also the Utorch app is automatically been uninstalled... It makes a lot of problems, maybe I will simply install Ubports 😉 [15:16] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/p8xGd9fM/giphy.mp4 [15:26] Thanks to this comand I was able to have my network indicator back! I put it here, so if someone has this problem he will have the solution: … rm .config/connectivity-service/config.ini.lock … Do someone know how to reactivate the keyboard? Can someone help me? [15:38] @Alexander, Have you tried everything suggested here? … (Try to reset the phone) [15:40] Yes, I will copy my files before 😉 [15:56] I am sorry, it is noice canceling micro. I was wrong. [15:56] Fwd from andreasimonetti: It is not true! The hole behind your phone is not a reset button! That's a microphone.. If you want to reset your phone try to hold the power button for 15 seconds. === cachio_lunch is now known as cachio [16:04] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/ez5tZ8Wr/file_262.mp4 [16:04] oMg i kiLLeD My pHoNe sTaBBing A nEEdLe in that hole!!! [16:04] kidding [16:05] @LarreaMikel, how hard is this to fix? it would seem like this wil be a critical app. at least some bitcoin payment system would be smart.. [16:05] 😁 [16:09] ... Do we even have a list of 'nice to have' and 'must haves' with upvote/downvote feature? This would be pretty cool.... wouldn't it? How do we know we are developing for the right things right away? [16:11] This keyboard is very cheap and works fine.. Is wireless [16:11] (Photo, 2560x1440) https://irc.ubports.com/qFWCego7/file_263.jpg [16:12] @wayneoutthere, Yeah a wish list where people can upvote, sponsor, and collaborate [16:29] @advocatux, Nice very nice, ok I will ve more restrained with my advices 😇 [16:30] 😂 [17:05] @neothethird, Hi Sorry was that for me? [17:05] Yes my N5 has been acting up. Automatically identifies items as touch [17:05] I think it may be the phone. Have to test to see if it is a hardware iss [17:06] So I have not been able to use my N5 [17:17] @advocatux, cool. what do we call such a list? Feature? no.. apps? no... wish list? I've got a quick idea [17:17] Just need a quick name... [17:17] @Alexander, Hey Im in Cologne right niw xd [17:21] @wayneoutthere, Pymwymi (Put your money where your mouth is) 😁 [17:22] not exactly.. that would be phase 2. I'll call it 'features and functions' for now [17:23] or faf (faff?) for short 😋 [17:26] Maybe they'll get that pun in UK only [17:30] HERE. FEATURE AND FUNCTIONS QUICKLIST: … https://papad.org/p/ubports_features_and_functions_quicklist … fOR FUN AND ARGUMENTS [17:31] @wayneoutthere, Hmm for the core apps we got some ideas as enhancement tag in github trackers [17:31] Also in the forum there has been a thread... [17:36] @Flohack, forum! i used those in 1999! fun times [17:37] I'll go take a trip down memory lane... [17:54] @wayneoutthere, Do that our forum is lightweight, easy to use andno ads! [17:54] thanks === Snadder is now known as Sander^home [18:17] Hi. Is this ubuntu phone os irc channel? [18:19] My stock E4.5 just went totally black. wondering if theres any shortcuts to reset it? [18:21] @Sander^home, Hmm are you sure its not jut the battery which went empty? [18:22] You can try to hook it on charger and then do a really long press on the power button [18:24] It might be empty on battery. Is there a process to get it back from totally flat? No light indicating. JUst charging more maybe? [18:24] @Sander^home, Yes it is ;) [18:24] yeah give it some time maybe [18:26] looks like the screen got shut off instantly.. couse its abit blurry [18:27] maybe the order of which its stopped on power down needs to be changed or something. I think it was a software error on the iphone too. === JanC_ is now known as JanC [18:57] Long press power dosnt look to help it [18:59] is there a way to order a new one? [19:00] I do want a new one anyway if the old one works or not:) [19:03] @Sander^home, It isn't easy to get a BQ E4.5 Ubuntu Edition but it's easier to get one of these core devices https://devices.ubports.com/#/ [19:07] @wayneoutthere, Probably the payment app would need of NFC chip... and a bank that develops an app for UT... [19:13] @wayneoutthere, The uApp explorer (@bhdouglass ) used to have a desired app list, where you could vote for an app and more... but I can not find it right now. [19:17]